Mon 15 Sep 2008
Bangladeshi cricketers try to hide their incompetence and greed under fake outrage
Posted by Asif under Sports
We always felt it. We always thought about it but never really entertained the idea for long. But now the proof is in the pudding.
11 national cricketers prefer MORE MONEY than the honour of playing national cricket for Bangladesh. While this is understandable for cricketers like Bashar who are past their prime. But for cricketers like Aftab, Nafis etc, its a position of clearly choosing money over national interest. They are perhaps counting on the fact that Bangladesh cricket team needs them badly and once the money comes to them to roost, they will simple play a year of IPL and return to Dhaka and ask for clemency. However, I was willing to give them a benefit of doubt thinking this was an economic decision for some who came mostly for poor family. In that case, let’s call spade a spade and say it that they did it for money. But no.
Here is the bone chilling outrageous bit about their decision. After doing this for money, these non performers have apparently blamed the system for their decision. Take a look at the once thought of as potential skipper Shahriar Nafees’ statement:
Opener Shahriar Nafees was equally disgruntled and said he would spill the beans soon and explain his premature retirement.
“There was a lot of anger, frustration and complaint behind this decision. I will reveal all of this in due course of time because I am no longer part of the code of conduct.
Before you get fooled by his fake ‘anger, frustration and complaint’, let’s take a look at how he performed in the last couple of years against test playing countries.
9, 9.33, 14, 19, 5.16, 26 — are just the averages from past 7 One Day International Series. Its his supreme good luck that he was still picked in the team with that series of scores which makes Harbhajan Singh look like Sunil Gavaskar.
Ban these good for nothing cricketers. Ban them for good.
Coach Siddons has his work cut out. Its much easier to build a fresh team than change a bunch of money hungry, lazy jokers who would rather do fake complaints against a ’system’ than take responsibility for their own non performance and incompetence. Those who know the inside stories of some of these cricketers, know how little it means to them to play for their country.
Good riddance!
To the folks at ICL, whoever suggested these guys as a draw, is a bad adviser. This has bad investment written all over it.
September 15th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
Oh get off your high horse, already. The purported “honour” of playing for a team that is used as a punching bag by the world’s cricketing powers isn’t enough to annul the laws laid out in Econonics 101.
And if you think you can replace these people easily, you are sadly mistaken. Our team is where it is right now precisely because we pitched so many 19 year olds into the crucible of test cricket. I’d like to see Mr. Siddons (what are his coaching credentials anyhow?) do anything of note with the inexperienced replacements he will inevitably be forced to rely upon.
Ultimately, in a dog eat dog world, loyalty can be bought. The BCB failed to pay enough, and has now paid accordingly.
September 15th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
I dont think Bangladesh team is going to perform worse without these players. There is no way new bunch of players could perform worse because its not possible!
Let them go and the ICL will soon know how bad their investment is!
September 15th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
Whether these players have ever helped Bangladesh winning, I don’t think that should be counted as a criteria to take decision over them. A player needs money to live. But that doesn’t mean you will switch to ICL from your national team career for money. The cricketer who can agree to switch from national team to an ‘old home’ competition like ICL, what job on earth exists that you cannot ask them to do by promising to pay them high?
Ignoring their departure is not the only thing to do, we must do something better for players to get less interest to join ICL in future.
September 16th, 2008 at 9:38 am
you are being harsh and tabloidy. getting thrashed all the time must seriously jar the soul.
there’s little money, improvability in BD cricket and its not a posh game in bangladesh. its infested with nepotism bribery and our characteristic anti=institutionality. These player folks shouldnt be made to feel like Packer players of several decades ago.
Yet, the nafees statement about ‘im not coming to meeting until they ask me properly’ was a carbon copy of recent bangladeshi politician excuses for not going to the EC.
September 16th, 2008 at 11:56 am
As the Prophet Mohammed may have once said “Trust in god but tie your camel”
paraphrased for these cricketing kids:
“play for your country but look after number one”
Its a human condition, FFS.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
What about all the exposure, experience and training from earlier ODI/test matches? And world class coaching (Dav Whatmore, if not Siddons) at the nation’s expense?
Siddons’ vision is not a short-termist one. But I think we’ll run out of patience with him soon — he has to come up with a few wins to silence the critics. Another innings defeat or “150 all out” will call for the final nail! This, sadly, is our approach to everything — short-termist.
And to lazarus89 (*1), Economics 101 also talks about ‘utility’ and ‘opportunity cost’. Monetary rewards cannot replace the pride/honour of representing one’s country in any sport.
September 16th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
The fact that Shahriar Nafees gets invited to play for ICL is because he played for Bangladesh national team and Bangladesh national team introduced him to the international arena. So I think he and others with him have some responsibility towards Bangladesh. He talks about spending 10 years to get into the national side. But in the last few games he played for the team, he did not perform. We cannot have a player in the national side only to play against teams like Zimbabwe, Ireland, etc. If anytime a player gets dropped from the national side, they claim it’s because of napotism, partial behavior of the selectors, etc. if that’s the case, then you can never drop anybody from the team!!!!
September 16th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
@Kobial: I’m sure that if accountants can put a monetary value on goodwill and other “intangibles” when valuing a company, they can come up with a pricetag for the honour of playing for ones country.
In this case, that price would appear to be $200K, give or take.
A tidy sum, if you ask me.
September 16th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Sure lazarus89. in that case, they should have the guts to say that they did it for money rather than blaming the coach and everything else that can be targetted. A player gets roughly fourty thousand a year in Bangladesh. So for three years, they would get 120K assuming no change in rate. It seems the IPL contract for three years is worth 200K — an increase of 80K. So the price of national interest is 80K USD, it seems.
But they are incorrectly banking on the fact that the unprofitable IPL will actually last for three years.
September 16th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
I think the boys did the right thing. Bangladesh’s performance has been so poor that it should come out of ICC for at least 3 years.
It’s humiliating for any Bangladeshi to see their team repeatedly suffer defeats.
The boys were being used as pawns by BCCB and ICC to make money through contracts, cable TV rights, commercial marketing for mobile phone companies and many other lucrative business purposes while totally ignoring their skill development.
September 16th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
What a shame. What an outrage.
People in Bangladesh don’t have food to eat. They don’t have clothes to wear. Young men and women of the age of Ashraful-Shahriar-Aftab toil in garments factories day and night for a mere dollar salary. And they die in scores when buildings collapse, when buildings burn.
Their blood drenched money brings foreign currency for home.
And with that money Ashrafuls-Shahriars-Afatbs get to train under most expensive coaches in the world. This poor country provides them with everything they want, only to play some good game. The tools, equipments, dresses of Bangladesh cricket players are not a single inch worse than that of Australian or English team. The country has no money, still they keep them- feed them in Hotel Sheraton during matches.
When these players give the nation a marathon of pathetic performances, we pay them highest salary in the country. With one thousands of that salary young people in Bangladesh build new TV channels, telecommunication system, build architectural marvels, create world class drama performances. And these cricketers did not give us anything but ridicule, disgrace. They get almost equal or better payment then a Sri Lankan player like Vaas, Malinga, Sangakara. But their performances are nowhere near them.
When you meet these players while in a tour, all their conversation center around which country/city provides better hotel, better BarBQ food. You will nothing but complain about four star rather than five star hotel, lack of items in BArBQ etc.
What else do you expect from these self focused, unduly pampered greedy bunch? Let them go to ICL. Ban them form BD cricket for life. And make sure to keep them in jail until they pay back all the money that have been spent behind each of them last ten years.
September 16th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
LOL!
September 16th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Why can’t they play for Bangladesh and yet earn some real money? They said the same thing about Kerry Packer’s experiment way back, and look where that thing then evolved. I do believe the players when they say they’re unhappy - the Bangladesh cricket scene is very fractious, where it is common knowledge that both parties when in power played shameless politics with the game and its management appointees - and when these players got a viable choice have made their feelings clear. It may be a necessary maturing phase for Bangladesh cricket if one takes the long view.
in the short term why shouldn’t they be allowed to earn money? All these people condemning them so loudly, can they honestly say that had they been in their shoes, they would have chosen ‘honour’ above ‘greenbacks’ themselves? Also playing in those leagues with overseas players might actually improve the Bangladeshis’ cricketing skills in the absence of a home domestic league, which everyone agrees is really the key to producing good players, and which again everyone agrees just as easily is light years away in shaping up.
September 16th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Here is a report on how much money these players made with their lousy performance for Bangladesh.
http://www.ittefaq.com/content/2008/09/17/news0270.htm
September 16th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
[...] cricketers prefer more money than the honor of playing national cricket for Bangladesh.” Unheard Voices echoes the outrage of many Bangladeshis after these national players decided to quit to join the [...]
September 16th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
I think 13 has it right, the focus should be on them cultivating cricketting mojo, and one way of that is through playing with world class players, rather than against them. There is no Gen zia to talent spot effectively and endow them so erm.. free markets…
And thats all if you assume that apeing such a white colonial game so earnestly (if not badly) is a communal activity worthy of ‘honour’ ‘dignity’ ‘kudos’ and ‘prestige’.
September 17th, 2008 at 1:45 am
Asif ,
I think You are complete Harsh and emotional on your Write Up and very unfair to pass the comments on the players like that.
Rumi Bhai,
It is not matter If our country is poor or reach and how many money they have spent for the cricket . It is pure unprofessional attitude of KOAB or BCCB told I spent those.These amount of money are very natural and It should be extremely professional.
Problem of Bangladesh is that we did not develop any sports culture still now. Why should I say about Bangladesh? In this whole subcontinent except Srilanka there is no sports culture at all.
I remember while Bangladesh won ICC trophy people of the country made cricket over night number one game and way media behaved with Number one Game football like Football is the only reason to destroy the the Cricket. But The people of country don’t have idea how tough can be the test cricket is. Funniest thing we don’t have proper first class infra structure and we like to win the match.
Now About ICL . Do you know the back ground of ICL? It is treated as the rebel league . But It is not banned by the ICC .Fact That IPL is born from the concept of the ICL. BCCI ( Indian Cricket control Board) is the
Super Economical Power of the world Cricket. ICC can’t do any thing against BCCI.
BCCI does not want any competitor in their domestic league. This is Just because of the pressure of Lalit Modi& CO , ICC can’t give the recognition to ICL.
But there is a clause of ICC If the respective boards of the country wants , they can allow ICL player to represent them for their country.
But I am not sure Lipu Bhai and other have guts to go against Modi and all.
I put details on my blog-
http://journey2infinitive.blogspot.com/2008/09/icl-bangladesh-and-what-next.html
http://journey2infinitive.blogspot.com/2008/07/poor-display-of-bangladesh-and-future.html
http://journey2infinitive.blogspot.com/2008/05/lalit-modis-are-murderer-of-sir-wg.html
See basically some decision should not be taken emotionally. Sports is not Politics
and lecture that you can create or destroy. It is the most result oriented thing.
We don’t have professional sports media as well. I support Lipu Bhai’s comment . We will wait and see the ICC decision on ICL.
I know lots of people will tell cricketers traitors and all but those of us who were involved directly with this game, we know only how much loss we do have right now at least to loose boys like Aftab & Alok.
Just Don’t Forget ICL is not South Africa of 70S who have been banned for Racism.
ICL is owned by ZEE NETWORK as KERRY PACKER”S Channel 9 of 80s . Later on Australian Board came to mutual agreement with them.
who knows ICL and IPL may be merged soon.
Now I think BCCB should look the interest of the country. May Be ICL can be a big platform for them and why not People like Kapil Dev and Tony Greg are in the manage ment.
ICL- IPL is the Internal issue of India why should Bangladesh cricket suffer for them.
September 17th, 2008 at 4:21 am
The tug of war between playing for the national team and playing for the private sector (often in a foreign nation) for gobs of money is a universal phenomenon. From soccer to baseball to cricket. Nor is this the first time that sports personalities have made sky-high salaries in a desperately poor nation.
Shouldn’t the analysis be focused on the infrastructure, institutions, global system that makes these equations & resulting choices inevitable? Concepts of commitment to nation, gratefulness for training, choose duty over money, etc won’t, in an increasingly harsh world, change people’s behavior.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:12 am
Why not kill two birds with one stone? We don’t have a domestic league worth crap. And for Bangladesh cricketers to develop temperament and train themselves thoroughly on a league basis (an utterly different thing than doing the useless Dhanmondi against Biman nonsense!!!) this is ideal for Bangladeshi players, they get to play with experienced overseas players on a day to day basis - very valuable training. And get good money to boot (those condemning them should know that as far as the sports business in South Asia is concerned - and you can’t wish it away - they are just being paid the market rate, and nobody’s doing them a favour).
As long as there is no sane, productive domestic league, or the existing crap league, why not have an opposite attitude by recognizing ground realities, why not have an enlightened open door policy? let any player lucky enough to land a contract with the Indians be feted and urged to go and play good cricket, and learn learn learn everything they can? with the only condition being when the country needs them for the Tests, they have to pitch in and do their best? Why confine them at home amid stupid squabbles, deprive them of match temperament, of some money, and then throw them against world class teams in the full scale warfare of Test matches ill-equipped, and expect them to do well? Why not look at this as an heaven sent opportunity?
September 17th, 2008 at 5:32 am
Well Naeem , Sports is always a global industry. The first and Last world of the system is professionalism. Bangladesh got premature Test status. They even did not take initiative for the grooming up as a test playing nation. It is not that they have not got enough chance. They have got. But problem is that Bangladesh did not have proper infra structure. I have seen the growth of Alok, Tapash, Rajeen and Enam In front of me. Saber Hossain - Asharaful Haque Board took the first step to develop
infra structure for domestic cricket. They implemented longer version of game in home cricket. Because of that Player like Alok and Enamul had direct entry.
But what happened after change of Govt. BCCB made policy that they would select the divisional team. So Player of Jessore is Imposed on Sylhet team by force.
Golam Mobud ( Himel) was the highest scorer of the National league at a stretch more than two calendar years. Ex Chief Selector Faruq told to Media ” To Score run is not the biggest parameter of the Cricket.”
He is also from sylhet. when I read Shuvro da’s report I found Himel’s name is there.
This boy has spent hour after hour on net forgetting about school and exam . what is the future of this boy?
when I listen some comments of the selectors it seems ” Bangladesh has lots of Sachin Tendulkar, Washim Akram and Murali Dharan.”
why should every one aim guns to the sportsman?
why should every one shout if any single pen is spent on the players?
Because we have no sports culture. Hype or respect is not same thing. For one success,
you can make them National Hero and very next day you even don’t remember them.
There is a word called burn out. one of the best batsmen of recent time Marcus Trescothick has retired from cricket but playing for his county side. It is his profession. Dutch footballer Ruud Van Nistelrooy has retired from National team because of his commitment to Real Madrid.
I like Idea of Bangladesh Football Federation president living Legend Kazi Salauddin. He is doing lot for the development of the footbal.
Basically Players have not taken the sole agency of National Integrity .
Now BCCB has to speak ICC . At least They should start lobbying for the recognition
of ICL.
Lalit Modi will not be in BCCI infinitive period of time . So They should take right step. Actually we need a perfect Ambassador like Ashraful Haque.
September 17th, 2008 at 8:37 am
Naeem,
Indeed, I haven’t seen one player complain about the infrastructure. Most of them complained about not being selected or being in doubt about selection. What do they expect if they do not perform? If the debate is fought in terms of whether Bangladesh provides the infrastructure needed for these guys to perform, then we can surely have the debate which will be constructive. However, some of these players won’t be able to look in the eyes of the people of Bangladesh and claim that they have performed with the utmost sincerity. They are not used to discipline. Some of them have become so cocky that any attempt to rein them down causes to them to ‘revolt’ against the system. Any sports journalist who travels with the team can tell you a whole lot about the drinking binge that some of these players get involved in while being in tour before important games. I am not lecturing about morality here. I am simply pointing that there is something wrong about being insincere about your efforts and then later complaining about a system before leaving the team high and dry.
September 17th, 2008 at 8:52 am
Journy2infinity, may be you are too much generous or atleast you are trying to be but what Rumi said is people’s feeling and if you want to disrespect that you have the freedom to do so but, please dont try to be a devil’s advocate, what do you mean by we dont have a sports culture, dont you know still after all these dismal performances people watch bangladesh match with love and hope that the boys will play good cricket even if they lose the game, have you not seen what happpened in india, they burnt their national players’ property for poor performance, has anything like that happened in bangladesh? no, not yet but it will happen if players of this nation act such salfishly. i agree with rumi that “Let them go to ICL. Ban them form BD cricket for life. And make sure to keep them in jail until they pay back all the money that have been spent behind each of them last ten years”
September 17th, 2008 at 9:01 am
Asif ,
“They are not used to discipline. Some of them have become so cocky that any attempt to rein them down causes to them to ‘revolt’ against the system. Any sports journalist who travels with the team can tell you a whole lot about the drinking binge that some of these players get involved in while being in tour before important games”
Ans: Some sports Journalists and who are they? How much Credible they are? Sorry to say that with Out Utpal Shuvra we don’t have any world class sports Journalist. who the hell we are to speak about non cricketing activities of the Cricketer while
we don’t have any concrete proof In our hand.
What the hell Cricket Management and Board are doing then? what’s the roll of Cricket Manager?
See Asif these are all lame excuse to unprofessional attitude of BCCB.
By the way what is the parameter of the performance of Bangladesh?
What ’s the highest average of the Bangladesh Bats men of Bangladesh.
Do you have idea Indian Fab Four’s ( Tendulkar, Ganguly, Laxman and Dravid) Total individual run is four time bigger than Total test Run of Bangladesh.Because they have played more than 100 test individually.
But This Bangladesh defeated India. But that does not mean you will repeat such performance in every day. Because International Cricket is not Joke that you will get the score in every day.
even 20 average is good average for the Bangladesh Cricket.
Thanks Kajol Ahmad for excellent write up.
September 17th, 2008 at 9:48 am
Journy2Infinitive/Naeem
please dont try to be a devil’s advocate and respect peoples’ feeling,
Rumi
you wrote a greate option i agree with it completely i.e “Let them go to ICL. Ban them form BD cricket for life. And make sure to keep them in jail until they pay back all the money that have been spent behind each of them last ten years”
September 17th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
I’m not yet making a judgement about whether it was a good or bad decision by these cricketers or about how selfish they may or may not be as people, but I’m wondering about the fact that some of the outrage expressed here is from people who also voluntarily left Bangladesh in search of better financial opportunities abroad, be it in investment banking, IT, engineering or other sectors. Hmmm.
September 17th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Emran You completely misread me or you don’t have any idea of sports culture. who told you India does have sports culture? Even Kapil Dev also regretted about that after olympic Gold of Abhinaba Bindra.
Now Reference to your this statement-
” have you not seen what happpened in india, they burnt their national players’ property for poor performance, has anything like that happened in bangladesh? no, not yet but it will happen if players of this nation act such salfishly.”
I was expecting such blanket comment from you .
So You support those burning. This is called lack of sports Culture. You have to
have ability to accept win or loss . I don’t care if you Tell me Devil’s advocate or not . If I am Devil’s advocate yes I am.
Sports is a very specified and technical filed . Here you do need to be specialist. It is not politics and I don’t care what 90% people think. These players are not amateur. If Any Govt officer can migrate his job to private sector any footballer or cricketer can do it. Don’t Forget A country
spent lots of money to build one BCS CADRE
or Army officer. we have also seen how they loot the Govt property .
Because I have seen How Football has been destroyed in this country with whims.Abahoni- Mohamardan was part of our sports culture and sorry to say that Young
Generation even does not think of going to stadium.
It was possible just because of some bias people .
“Aarey Bhai Jader Chokh Ramna Park e ora Stadium aar Khelar mormo ki Bujhbey”.
So Don’t try to advise me . Other wise I have to tell you advocate of Unprofessional Evil system.
September 17th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Time to create a BCL ?
September 17th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
So,
The outrage is towards their ‘fake outrage’ against the system. Had they simply said that they were going abroad because there was better money, it would have been not so outrageous but why are they blaming the coach and everyone else to justify their action when their own committment is in question? That’s hypocrecy.
September 17th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Gazi,
It is a great Idea. If BCCB is in right way , they may Made BPL or BCL.
BTW outrage is not at all fake. It is fact that Bangladesh Coach has made irresponsible statement in front of the media and have made lousy comment about the ex captain as well which is simply against code of conduct.
Besides National selector does not have transparency. Any way why are we making debate of such issue. Most Important to solve the issue. I have great respect for Rumi Bhai but I am not agreed with his prescription in here. As I know pros and cons of the cricket , It is most important to find the Solution.
BCCI official Rajiv Shukla has already mentioned , ” This is the Internal matter of BCCB and ICL Players”.
We have lack of resources and quality players. Srilankan Cricket Board has even re shuffled the England tour because of IPL.
Ranatunga is very much concerned about the financial benefit of the Lanka Players. So I feel BCCB also should handling the situation on professional way not on emotional base of 90% people.
Fact is that ICC is not doing right thing not to recognize ICL for the interest of IPL. Yes BCCB also needs to maintain good relationship with BCCI because of the same financial interest.So This is not the right time for emotional statement. Bangladesh is passing crucial time. At least ICC should consider Bangladesh’s position as special case.
September 17th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Journey bro
You are so funny :). Keep it up bro.
Admin please never block the Journey 2Infinitive’s comment.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Had they simply said that they were going abroad because there was better money, it would have been not so outrageous but why are they blaming the coach and everyone else to justify their action when their own committment is in question?
The key words here being “not so outrageous”. I’m not so sure these men would have escaped accusations of binge-drinking and heinous crimes from irate voices if they ran off to India to play in the ICL without saying a word. They would have been damned if they did, and damned if they didn’t.
Agree with So. If there is any hypocricy here it is from outraged voices who want to see these sportsmen smacked down with lifetime bans and made to repay all their earnings whilst themselves living abroad and benefitting from foreign pay packets.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
So @ 25
You are comparing apples with oranges here.
In case of the professionals in this board, there is no call from the government to join them. Even if one goes back home, government will not allow them to join the workforce. They will come up with one after another restriction to bar you from serving the government. It will start with age barrier of publi service commision entry, ban on lateral entry, not recognizing educational qualification while abroad, not taking any step for a smoother transition, making promotion difficult for lateral entrants or foreign educated folks etc.
Moreover, most professionals are trained using foreign resources, using foreign infrastructures, technology and curriculum.
In sharp contrast these cricket players owe every single paisa spend for their development to the taxpayers of Bangladesh.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
And it is indeed true how indisciplined and cocky these players are when they are in a tour. Even during the world cup, they were seen hanging around late in nightlife areas very late in the night before a game. There main focus was money, good accomodation and good food.
September 17th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
And here comes the 10 year ban…
http://cricket.bdnews24.com/details.php?cid=26&id=62626&?us=#tp62626
IPL and ICL is the death nail of good cricket as we know it for all countries.
Sorry Sid, can’t agree with you here. Somehow I think signing a national contract and representing the country to the international world carries a bit more of an extra responsibility. So do you suggest BCCB now start a matching competition with IPL and raise their fee?
September 17th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
The attitude of these players stink, Dhiman indicated that he feels under pressure to perform because of competition from mushfiqur rahim…so he couldn’t be bothered, and took the easy way out.
J2I,
With regards to evidence of lack of professionalism and integrity of these players, either you believe it or you don’t, I have personally seen these players asking bowlers not to bowl short otherwise they may get injured.
Training hard earning the right is non existence. Hence they all took the easy route and went for ICL.
September 18th, 2008 at 12:27 am
There main focus was money, good accomodation and good food.
My god! They wanted good food as well!? What a bunch of evil ingrates.
But seriously, since they were so bad, shouldn’t we be glad to have got rid of bad rubbish?
September 18th, 2008 at 12:29 am
If you ask me, the answer is definitely YES, Sid.
September 18th, 2008 at 12:32 am
“Moreover, most professionals are trained using foreign resources, using foreign infrastructures, technology and curriculum.
In sharp contrast these cricket players owe every single paisa spend for their development to the taxpayers of Bangladesh.”
of course, why dont those poor people just behave like good hindustani manslaves and play for their national masters, nobody else does, least of all that most excellent of classes… the astute bengali beancounter AKA the scribe of the british. pah , such nimuk harams! Mother Bangladesh weeps.
September 18th, 2008 at 8:19 am
“The outrage is towards their ‘fake outrage’ against the system” - is the comment in #28.
And who are we to judge that from a distance, label them as fakes? There may not have existed any option or channel to vent their feelings before - in Bangladesh watch out if you say anything about the boss in the workplace, or about the patriarch within the family/clan - and they had the choice now.
And the vilification and slander in the guise of moralism that they are being subjected to is nauseating, all from people I’m sure are enjoying the good life abroad: suddenly all of these ‘rebels’ are nightlifers, drinkers, etc. I wonder how many of those opting for ‘national’ honour and the national team would pass the same test with flying colours. Or should we not say that about them since they acted in the ‘national’ interest?
September 18th, 2008 at 10:41 am
Well kajal because they are sport man. They are footballer or Cricketer.
We NRB happily welcome Singers and Dancers of the country in Abroad. I don’t want to claim
but speculation is there Maximum of their hands of the band paid big amount of money to
those Singers and organizer to
bring them in USA, UK and Canada for better life.
On the other hand maximum footballer and Cricketer of the national side have come from very low income family back ground. The struggle and test they need to pass from dawn to dust is not Joke.
On 2006 while I visited Bangladesh , I have seen so many cricket clinics and academy.
But there are lot of boys are in Dhaka city where Cricket is status symbol to them. Any way I don’t want to speak more on. This is my last comment in the thread but I am really sorry to see that some people are claiming some thing with out proper evidence and documents to make question of some one’s life and discipline .
Basically I have huge respect for the sports men from any back ground. At last I want to say if some one has evidence that Cricketers or footballers did night life or some thing, Please bring the concrete proof and If those Journalists are really honest tell them to write in their papers.
Any way sorry for all those comments and Good bye
September 18th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Kajol,
The links and interviews are out there. Their main complaints are that their selection is not guaranteed. Whose is?
Was their an infrastructural issue? I follow cricket quite closely and not a single one of these cricketers would be able to claim that they were dropped unfairly. If the stats that I have provided up there is any guide, they have been given more than their fair share of chances. Sure, there may be more things that they think is wrong. Have they mentioned it? If so, what have they done to rectify it before quitting on us? If so, I have gone through all the news reports and i haven’t seen a single cricketer say what they have done for recourse. Of course, after the ban, now they are having second thoughts. There is no free lunch. Their decision should be viewed as what it is — an economic decisin. They went where the money was better. They should leave aside the phony talk of grievences. Sounds like they are trying to have it both ways. Taking the money from ICL and also trying to show that they had no other option so that it gives them a window of making a comeback once the money is in the bank.
Also what is so nauseating about expecting our national players fed by our tax payers’ money to not indulge in alcohol and get drunk before tour games? Mine and our collective pride is at stake here and that’s the least they can do. Recall Pilot’s expulsion from the team during the last world cup.
Yours is a kneejerk reaction that every Probashi Bangladeshi hears i.e. you have no right to complain when you are not living in this country. Quite shallow, I must say.
September 18th, 2008 at 11:26 am
Yours is a kneejerk reaction that every Probashi Bangladeshi hears i.e. you have no right to complain when you are not living in this country. Quite shallow, I must say.
You misunderstand. What people are protesting to is the self-contradictory and hypocritical position against one of the players in particular, and that is that a young crickter is nothing less than a national traitor because he has decided to move to another country for better prospects. Whereas the whole reason most Bangladeshis are in foreign countries themselves are their for this very reason.
The mud-raking and personal character assassination that these individual players are having to undergo is appalling because of the timing. Why is wanting to stay in nice hotels and eating good food and drinking alcohol so heinous *now*? Why were these charges made of these players made *before* they defected to the ICL? Why weren’t they made public enemies for losing cricket games because of partying the night before matches *made before* the eruption of this media frenzy?
I can see why people might be angry at cricketers for defecting but the tone and content adopted by the detractors is ugly and disgraceful. Made worse by the awful flag-waving that’s going with it.
What I find funniest of all is that when corrupt politcians spend their entire lives stealing their own people’s tax payer money, so called liberals jostled loudly to provide them with human rights and due-diligence as they were dragged into jailrooms. Now the same liberals have no problem with wanting a bunch of cricket players undergo trial by media, stripped of their earnings, slapped with lifetime bans, have their careers destroyed and subjected to the worst kind of character assassination.
Do you think we might have things the wrong way round?
September 18th, 2008 at 11:45 am
I was enjoying this lively debate. For a change it was about something other than the usual ‘corrupt politician vs honest army’ ping pong we’ve seen for the past 20 months. Ah well, all good things must come to an end (ref to the penultimate para in Sid’s comment 42 - should I expect the so-called liberals to retort?).
Now, can someone tell me exactly what format do they play in ICL? Unless it is the longer game, why do we care? It’s not cricket if it is done in less than 3 days.
September 18th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Liberals won’t retort because I sense Sid is in his typical torkobagish mode where he would enjoy the going back and forth and the gotcha arguments rather than grasping the thrust of the original point which is the players can’t have it both ways. I will fight it out with him in person :). All other issues about the players’ sincerity, professionalism etc came as a side issue.
As you said, the argument has reached the point of diminishing returns. So I will cease and desist.
September 18th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Jyoti
you’re a probashi bangladeshi and i suspect you like to eat occassionally and maybe even stay in hotels rather than sleep on pavements. in which case, you have it both ways and no right to speak.
September 18th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Well played, Sid. You’ve carried the whole innings and hit the liberals for a six on the final delivery.
September 18th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
To Sid and others
There was a national swimming meet in Dhaka couple of years ago. Scores of district level swimmers travelled to Dhaka to participate in the meet. It was the responsibility of the swimming federation to arrange their accomodation and food. But the federation’s annual budget is less than the annual salary of one cricket player of BCCB. The players were sleeping on the floor, groups of 10-12 boys or girls each in 10 foot X 10 foot storage rooms at the basement of Mirpur national swimming pool. Their complain was not about how bad was the food, their complain was that their were no food for them. They were living on ‘pourooti’ and ‘kola’ for three and four days.
So please do not mock when I bring the issue of coplaints about food or accomodation.
Our too much obsession with those low quality 3rd grade cricket players reminds me of our forefathers obsession with betting on cock fighting or similar stuff. Nawabs/Kings used to bet the whole zamindari on their favored fowl thus kepeing their subjects starving.
I’ll say, enough resources have been given to cricket development. We are now back to square one after ten years and billions of Takas.
Lets spend some on school athletics, neighborhood sports developments. Lets make some swimming, sprint infrastructure. Lets treat aspiring swimmers, spinters, shooters with minimal decency.
Stop these Nawab style destructive obsession on these ‘cock fights’ ; lets build infrastucture of school athletics, Upazilla, district level swimming-track field facilities.
And stop mockery about food without knowing the reality. Reality stings fantassy lovers.
September 18th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Sid,
I will be brave and try again. You seemed to have missed the entire point.
The point is not about them moving on for better future. The point is there lame excuses and nagging and complaints and hiding of the real reason (which is money) behind their move.
No one is doing any character assasination but rather questioning their professionalism of being indisciplined before a tour game.
Perhaps you missed these nuances? Now don’t do a Sarah Palin on me, now.
September 18th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
We may argue, be hawkish and get divided without thinking the future of Bangladesh cricket.
We already have a larger threat at hand:
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“THE International Cricket Council may be forced to stand Bangladesh down from Test cricket after there were mass defections to the rebel Indian Cricket League.
The hopelessly administered and poorly performing minnow now finds itself in much the same position as Zimbabwe four years ago, when it was gutted by a player strike which prompted most of its good players to leave.
While the hopelessly compromised ICC lists Zimbabwe as “voluntarily” standing down from Test cricket in 2005, it came after heavy pressure and that same pressure should now come to bear on Bangladesh.
Since Bangladesh was promoted to Test cricket in 2000 for purely political reasons, to bolster the power of the Asian bloc, it has won just one of 53 Tests, against Zimbabwe minus almost all its good players.
So poor was Bangladesh in Darwin a fortnight ago that its terrible performance was openly criticised by Cricket Australia chief executive James Sutherland following three very lopsided one-day matches.
“We were very disappointed with the performances of the Bangladesh team,” Sutherland said.
“You would hope by now they would be showing some improvement and at this stage it doesn’t look as though they have really come on since the last time they toured Australia (in 2003).”
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24351216-5001505,00.html
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The blanket ban had given these people the opportunity to hit Bangladesh hard (they so long was waiting).
September 18th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
On first news I was like Asif, why are they abandoning their own motherland? But later I realize they actually WANT to play for Bangladesh – but they want the opportunity of independent leagues too.
My question is Why cant BD players join foreign leagues, and also play in World Cup matches for BD, both?
Players like Beckham, Yao Ming, Messi, Drogba play in foreign leagues, but in World Cup matches they represent their own national teams. Why cant BD players do the same? Why do we have to banish our players forever, for doing what athletes do worldwide?
After ALL the resources spent on them, they are a pride of the nation, and if ICL pays them – then they must be good!. They also wish to play for Bangladesh. Foreign experience can only add to their quality, brand of sports and make them world class. They might even start learning to be less unruly in nightlife!
Is BCB being overly emotional and authoritarian in banning them the very next day? These players are still BD citizens, and will proudly represent Bangladesh, lets keep them as our players.
But LEGALLY, does their contract prevent them from joining other teams in their spare time? If not, then NO crime or corruption was committed. In fact, their contract appears harsher in moral or team behavior, and if punishment is due – then it should be for alleged misconduct. But to punish them for trying to be cosmopolitan athletes may be punishing the athlete, and sparing the law-breaker, to which I agree with Sid #42 (punishing cricketers and freeing corrupt politicians).
To this effect, the banning decision by BCB needed more thought. I believe, if their contract does not restrict foreign league playing, then they should be allowed to play for both BD and ICL, and the ban should be withdrawn. To be cosmopolitan and globalized, let any foreign league playing also be ADDED into their contracts, if it does not exist already, and quick - before India offers them citizenship too (like Taslima Nasreen), and makes them Indian players!!
(maybe I will ask newspapers to post this)
September 19th, 2008 at 1:41 am
Gazi 50#
First of all there are some back ground and
you have to go two years back.
Well , Zee Net work and Indian Cricket control Board (BCCI) did have some agreement.
EX ICC president
Jagmohan Dalimia was the key man for the total growth of BCCI. He is the man who made BCCI the richest Cricket Control board of the world.
Per day income of BCCI is RS 22 . 95% sponsors of ICC are coming from Indian Corporate houses. So BCCI is undoubtedly Super power of World Cricket. ICC-BCCI relationship is just compared to USA-United Nations.
Mr Dalmiya has great contribution for the test status of Bangladesh.
But after departure of Dalmiya BCCI and Zee Network did have conflict on TV rights.
Later on Zee Network Chairman Mr Shuvash Goyal decided to open a Parallel League where TV rights will be exclusively to Zee Net work. Shane warne, Brian Lara and Glenn Mc Gra all agreed to play . He designed it as English premier league.
But Players will be available for national interest.Thus ICL was born
BCCI Vice president Lalit Modi who himself is a controversial guy decided to implement same concept under BCCI. As a result counter of ICL Indian premier league (IPL) born. So they have no stone left to
dis credit ICL.
Even Modi& CO blackmailed ICC to ban ICL.
But Still on the regulation of ICC , ” ICL is not recognized by ICC but it is not forbidden tournament. The respective board will decide about the ICL.”
But English Cricket Board never banned their cricketer who Joined ICL. But Modi even asked Indian great VVS Laxman not to join his county club. Very often Indian media gave tag of Drag Paddler to Lalit Modi. Lalit Modi very often reminds me Barrister Mainul Hossain.
So It is very simple BCCB does not take the risk on theeir relationship with BCCI as Pakistan cricket control board.
What will you say while Lanka board re shuffled their tour to England because of IPL timing,
Lanka Board president Ex Captain Arjuna Ranatunga told media they are watching financial interest of their cricketer as IPL
gave the chance to them earning money which board could not provide.
Did Lanka people come to road and asking Kumara Snagakara or Mahela JayaBardhane traitor ? Just name is not same one is IPL and another is ICL. so why is such double standard?
Another funniest thing is that after winning of ICC trophy we have watched so many sudden cricket lovers are born but this love is only restricted to Bangladesh Cricket not the game of cricket. If they know what cricket is , they could not make all those blanket comments about personal life of cricketers.
Rumi Bhai,
It is not easy to build up a swimmer or shooter.
To get one Abhinaba Bindra , Indian shooting Federation’s money was not enough.
Bindra was from an Industrial family and he even build up shooting Range in his home.
Rumi Bhai you need to spend money.
You have seen how Fastest Man of South Asia Bimal Chandra Tarafdar, Mehadi hassan and Karar Mizan and lots of players never came back from USA when they went to tour.
But I don’t blame them. Because at least they got life in there.
I was closely watching the cricketer. I know personally Alok, shumon , Aftab and all.
Even God came to me and told that Alok and shumon led night life, I won’t believe.
Because I see the struggle of Alok from his Aided School days and Bashar when he was not Bashar.
Basically according to my cricketing knowledge Score board is a big ass. Bangladeshi cricketer can not be measured
by score because we have limited talent.
Alok, Asharaful and Aftab are not so easily achievable for Bangladesh Cricket. because we don’t have cricketer like that who can dominate any world class bowlers.
September 19th, 2008 at 3:01 am
Tanoy and everyone,
Please focus on my last para in #50 above:
1) Ban should be withdrawn
2) They should be allowed to play in BD national team, and ALSO foreign leagues - both.
3) These 2 actions must be taken BEFORE India reacts to the ban and plays other tricks (like give them Indian citizenship).
September 19th, 2008 at 4:09 am
INTERNATIONAL HERALD TRIBUNE
Unlikely nation at center of mounting tug-of-war
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/18/sports/cricket.php
DAILY STAR/Zafar Sobhan
Rebel Warriors
http://thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=55399
September 19th, 2008 at 4:09 am
From The source of Cric Info:
India offers ‘active’ support to Bangladesh
Cricinfo staff
September 18, 2008
More Bangladesh players could join Abdur Razzak in the IPL at the next auction © TigerCricket
The BCCI says it will play an “active role” in helping Bangladesh cricket recover from the exodus of 13 top players who signed up for the unauthorised ICL.
Lalit Modi, BCCI vice-president, told Cricinfo the Indian board will include more Bangladesh players in the lucrative IPL next year, and include a team in the Champions Twenty20 League from 2010. Modi is the chairman of both these tournaments, which are backed by the BCCI.
Ahmed Sajjadul Alam, an executive member of the Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB), had told Cricinfo on Wednesday that the board hoped the BCCI would help revive the game by inviting more players for these cash-rich tournaments. Alam was speaking after an emergency meeting of the BCB, which decided to ban the 13 ‘rebel’ players from all forms of official cricket for 10 years.
“We will definitely play an active role in helping them out,” Modi said. “We are looking at adding a few [Bangladesh] players for the next IPL auction. And we are also looking at a team from Bangladesh participating in the Champions League from 2010 onwards.”
The next IPL auction is tentatively scheduled for January 29, about two months before the second season begins on April 10. Left-arm spinner Abdur Razzak is the only Bangladesh player currently in the IPL and he was signed up by Bangalore Royal Challengers for US$50,000. Although national boards don’t get a share of IPL’s revenues, they will receive a significant sum for participating in the Champions League, along with a separate participation fee for the domestic Twenty20 teams that are invited.
The ICC, meanwhile, said that any discussion on Bangladesh’s Test future will have to be within the committee it had formed in July on unofficial cricket. “Any decision on this will be taken at the ICC board meeting and it will be the working party that will decide on such an issue,” an ICC spokesperson said.
The ICC’s committee is believed to have discussed the issue over the last few months although Modi, who is a member, declined to comment on the nature of those talks.
Now is Lalit Modi trust worthy? will Franchisees of IPL are ready to buy Bangladesh Players over superstars of world cricket. You can put any Tom, Dick and Harry on auction. But it is not necessary they will be sold . Now
I putting the reaction of people-
BCCI offer is a kind of bribe.That is why BCB banned Dhaka warriors players to get this type of offer.May be BCB will get more offer to make them happy.
Posted by ridoy on September 19 2008, 00:13 AM GMT
Well, how stupid are we fans? The same players were avaialble for “buying” last year too and no body wanted them. Now that the players went to ICL and ofcourse, since BCCI wants to crush ICL into oblivion, now comes the so called “offer” of active support. Can the BCCI hoodlums be any more obvious? For crying out loud, when does these so called fans wake up and start boycotting BCCI altogether?
Posted by Srinis1 on September 18 2008, 22:51 PM GMT
It is time the ICC revisit the ICL situation and move forward to recognize them. Cricketers around the world should have a choice, and the ICL would do just that for cricketers. The IPL should not be the only game in town. I am not sure what the stupid politics is behind the non-recognition of the ICL. An athlete has but so many years of prime performance and since not all cricketers will consistently make their test or ODI teams, that marginal player should not be restrict from legally earning money through another source. If the ICC feel they will lose control of cricket by recognising the ICL then what they need to do is bring all tournaments under their umbrella that should give them the control required.
Posted by Teewally on September 18 2008, 22:37 PM GMT
Why is it any different, from the perspective of playing for the national team, for a player to go to the IPL instead of the ICL?
Posted by Oncle_Dan on September 18 2008, 21:37 PM GMT
BCCI should have taken such an action before the 13 players moved to ICL. Every body should condemn Lalit Modi, he is behind this ICL banning. He copied the ICL idea and has taken all the credit. Why didn’t he decide to take BCB in Champions trophy initially? Doesn’t he know what state the BCB is in? People please pray that Lalit Modi gets well and stops this division of Cricketers.
Posted by cricfans2cents on September 18 2008, 21:00 PM GMT
The exodus of the Bangladeshi players will certainly test the bench strength of the Bangladesh team. Considering the interest of the sportin the country, I think if given a chance bangladesh can rise up to the expectations in a due course of time.
Posted by Ragfragger on September 18 2008, 20:21 PM GMT
Is that a good thing? Maybe not, because these players will not get a chance to play. Abdur razaaq didnt even played a game in last IPL. Even big names are not playing due to IPL’s overseas players restriction. Te me if BCCI wants to do something good to criket, they should let ICL players play in their respective countries.
Posted by afridi102 on September 18 2008, 19:28 PM GMT
It is the BCCI’s fault that Bangladesh are in this position today. The BCCI has bullied the weaker boards into banning ICL players. Especially now, when it’s clear that the ICL presents little or no competition to the IPL. I think the BCCI should be more lenient on the ICL. Even relatively powerful boards like the ECB are being bullied into toeing the BCCI’s line (with reference to the banning of an English county from the Champions League, which seems to be completely controlled by the BCCI despite being an international tournament). I think it’s shameless of the BCCI to step in at this stage and present a benevolent self-image.
Posted by chaitanyaramachandran on September 18 2008, 19:10 PM GMT
Does anyone find it rather amusing that India, who since 2001 have sat on their collective backsides and done nothing to help Bangladesh, now suddenly develop a conscience about the plight of their neighbours? I wonder if it could by any chance be connected to the fact that Lalit Modi is worried his precious IPL might be threatened by all these players signing for the ICL? Surely not, because as we know, Modi is an honourable man and not someone driven by power and greed.
Posted by Clickinfo on September 18 2008, 19:00 PM GMT
I’m fully supportive of the rebel tigers. This is a fee-enterprise era, and we’re experiencing just the beginning of this paradigm shift happening with cricket. I’m glad that the ICL/IPL has given due recognition to our tigers by embracing them, and exposing them to these great opportunities. This is a testament of a plain simple fact: “Bangladesh cricket has reached the competitive level internationally, and is now ready to contribute!”. This revolution will help in further developing cricket in Bangladesh if exploited optimally. From BCB perspective, its their opportunity to recognize the talents and create and environment that will promote players. From the players’ perspective, its a great time to take cricket seriously and perform consistently, to elevate to National team, ICL/IPL, or whatever xCLs that they have in the making. I’m really excited to see Bangladesh cricket faced with this enormous opportunity to develop at a holistic level.
Posted by penheiro on September 18 2008, 18:14 PM GMT
BCCB may be dancing but this is not solution.This is how our BCCB is running.
September 19th, 2008 at 4:31 am
Re # 41 and Asif, the worst kind of bore is the holier than thou preaching. It is amazing to observe the lack of empathy for the cricketers’ dilemma. Just imagine you’re in the Bangladesh team (and I’m not even going to go into the nasty politics that pervades national cricket, the interference, the maneuverings, the posturings), you’ve just been in the field all day getting pasted by the Aussies (who you’ve really made mad by winning accidentally once, and they want to make sure they shove that down your throat, again and again!), then every Bangladeshi is piling on you as stupid and talentless, the newspapers are baying for your blood, you’re in some damn Aussie city, and at the end of the day you can’t even sit down and talk with your fellow mates over a couple of beers without some dimwit nanny screaming in your face ‘Ah! Alcohol! On taxpayer’s money!’ Then the nanny goes off and cracks a beer open himself, chilling, smug and self-satisfied at having pointed out what was wrong with the cricketers. Meanwhile back home the entire selection board and cricket officials go over to their clubs and down Scotches, all on taxpayers’ money. Ah, no big deal! So what, such hard work!
The point is that one has to recognize that this is the quality of Bangladesh cricketers, that this is the level they play at, that they can’t be playing Jessore versus Khulna one day, and then suddenly be expected to give Ponting’s men a run for their money. And the thing is to help them. They won’t improve unless they play regularly within a good league system. And if (pardon the phrase, for it may froth up Mr Nanny!) the mountain won’t come to Mohammed….let them go play in a league or a system where they’ll be challenged to perform at a standard that’ll make them stronger, fitter, better cricketers. Under different kinds of captains. With innovative cricketing thinking. At home, unless the low standard shambles that is club cricket/league is reformed within Bangladesh, they’ve reached their peak. They hit centuries and take wickets against each other. They they come up against Sri Lanka, and boom….
The usual process is a good domestic league, then some contracts from the English counties, playing seasons there, learning, getting to be hardened, mature cricketers, then being selected for Test sides. Screaming and yelling won’t help, specially idiotic things like ‘Taxpayer’s money! Alcohol! Stripclubs! How dare you!’
What do you think goes on inside a young genuine fiery pace bowler? Do you think that something inside him that makes him want him to tear wickets out of the ground can be suddenly switched off the moment he leaves the ground?
So, please, anything but this two-bit moralizing! It’s too convenient, too cheap, too easy!
September 19th, 2008 at 5:31 am
Gazi ,
Don’t worry India is not going to offer any one Citizenship.:).They have already long Que.
Thanks Kajal for great write up
September 19th, 2008 at 5:53 am
Sid, I wasn’t speaking at all, until you linked it with the usual arguments about politics. As I said, I was enjoying the debate, and still am. It’s Friday afternoon for me, and I’m feeling provocative. So let me throw a brick.
Some commentators note that the poor taxpayers have invested a lot in these cricketers. How about the doctors and engineers subsidised by our taxpayers who stay home as housespouse? At least the NRB who is working as a professional - doctor, engineer, and even rebel cricketer - is in a position to repay his/her debt to the society. Does anyone think that there is any problem with publicly financing someone’s higher education if the education is not going to be used? Elaborate. Bonus point for amusing anecdotes. Points will be deducted for irrelevant political diversions.
September 19th, 2008 at 6:17 am
Kajol,
Too bad you spent so much time on that write up because I wasn’t complaining or lecturing about their moralsim at all. I was not questioning whether they have the right to open a chilled beer. Rather I made a passing comment of some of their known unprofessionalism of getting drunk the night BEFORE a tour game and staying out late. I wasn’t questioning their right to move abroad for better pay, but rather the reasons they showed for their move abroad and the hypocrisy of it.
The lecture about improving the infrastructure was great but too bad it didn’t come from Shahriar Nafees, it came from Kajol Ahmed. Had these players talked about these things as the reason for their departure, they would have started a constructive debate on the state of cricket. What they did was complain about their selection and the fact that they were not given 100 percent guarantee to be selected to play for the national team even after repeated failures and hence their Goshsha!
Jyoti, if the government had trained me and made special investment on me to be the best Doctor or Engineer that money can buy and I had left for abroad after getting my degree, then surely their is a problem with that. That’s where the comparision with the cricketers come. Most employers in the US who spend money on employees higher education require them to serve the company for a number of years. However, a separate argument can be made in terms of whether the ICC should have the right to say which tournament a player can or cannot play. I think certain amount of regulation is a good thing as we can see from the meltdown of wall street this week. So yes, I think ICC should regulate which tournaments are approved and which are not.
September 19th, 2008 at 6:35 am
“…our national players fed by our tax payers’ money to not indulge in alcohol and get drunk before tour games? Mine and our collective pride is at stake here and that’s the least they can do.” quote # 41
You’re the one who keeps bringing up alcohol!
Why not confine it then to their supposed greed for money, about the possible motives for their acting the way they did, perhaps with some sympathy for these quite young and possibly immature players acting in ways that’s not quite their fault, brought up in a system that’s bad in every possible way, and not just start slamming them for being greedy AND drinking. Why do you have to pile it on unnecessarily to make your point? Why not confine it to infrastructure and solutions?
September 19th, 2008 at 6:41 am
Jyoti,
Good point. The doctors, engineers (and so on) and cricketers equally used tax payers money for their education. If they all become NRB and start sending forex to Bangladesh, then its good for the economy.
However, I wanted to ask you, how about national pride? They cricketers were paid for their training, not to earn forex, but to play for the country. So its a breach of the “contract of faith”.
Well, then I thought you might argue that the doctors, engineers, economists were also paid for their education NOT to become NRBs
But you know what… we can have both if BD’s Cricket Board stop being a blind-follower of Indian BCCI. What’s wrong with playing few games in India and earning money and also remaining a part of BD cricket?
September 19th, 2008 at 7:07 am
Syeed/Asif, I wasn’t saying anything about doctors/engineers going overseas. My point was, if the taxpayers are subsidising you to do X (be a doctor), and you become Y (be a housewife), then is there a problem? I don’t have any stat on this - where can I even get such data? - but it seems to me that this ‘trained professionals becoming housewife’ probably costs the taxpayer lot more than the cricketers do. Where is the outrage there?
Ps: I say housewife, but the point holds for househusbands too. And again, this is different from going overseas - there are many more housewives in Bangladesh than among NRBs.
PPs: Yes, I know that a part of the outrage is in the cricketers’ hypocrisy. My point is not about that bit. My point is related to the outrage about wasting taxpayers’ money.
September 19th, 2008 at 8:41 am
58#
Asif,
“I think certain amount of regulation is a good thing as we can see from the meltdown of wall street this week. So yes, I think ICC should regulate which tournaments are approved and which are not”.
Ans:
what is the parameter for this regulation?
who will decide this thing? BCCI or ICC itself?
Cricket is not a global game. Even this game did not qualify for the Olympic. once up on a time MCC was ruling ICC. Now BCCI is doing monopoly in there. Fact that ICC never got the respect like FIFA.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:23 am
Jyoti
“20 months of ping pong”? More like 20 years, mate.
I’m sorry you felt my need to contrast the reactions towards corrupt politicians and towards runaway cricketers was an “irrelevant political diversion”. In my defence I would like to stress that it is not me who has introduced the themes of loyalty, debt to national resources, national honour, tax payers money and amoral attitudes to accountability into this thread.
I don’t know about you, you can call me out of touch and whatever, but on the above themes I expect more delivery from politicians than from some recalcritant cricket players. If our heroic liberal elites expended a fraction of the bilious, spit-flecked anger that we have seen directed at some young, misguided cricket players but rather towards politicians instead, then who knows, we might have had a solid, well-funded body called the Bangladesh Cricket Board, a healthy and productive BCL league of our own, better sporting infrastructure, better facilities. But no. Instead we will see our heroic NRB elites bitch lyrical at the small guy for running away for better money. Meanwhile they spend 20 months of ping-pong extrapolating, contextualising, hand-wringing the crimes of corrupt politcians. Some of whom have stolen enough money to BUY the ICL and the IPL I should imagine.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:34 am
I am confused. How is asking for due process in the legal system contradictory to asking for professionalism and accountability from the cricket players? Which of the liberal elites forgot to criticize the political leaders ? How are the mutually exclusive? i.e, how is asking for due process for the politicians mean not asking for accountability from the politicians?
Surely, once democracy returns, you will see the liberals asking for accountability from the political leaders as well.
At the least, these elites can be spared of the shame of being accused of double standards of asking for a liberal agenda in the UK politics and asking for military authoritarianism to take charge in Bangladesh in the same breath.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:39 am
Now that’s what I call ping-pong.
I’m not suggesting that they are mutually exclusive dude. But *your* reactions towards these cricket players suggest that they are. Practice what you preach is a cliche but a useful maxim, in this case.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:10 am
No idea what you are talking about. These parrallels are an absolute red herring.
Its like me saying if you had shown the slightest fraction of outrage towards the Al Qaeda terrorists, of what you show towards George Bush for Guantanamo, may be we could have had a terrorism free world.
Your argument is as preposterous as that for linking the criticism against the cricketers to that of the politicians.
September 19th, 2008 at 10:24 am
Good time for sponsor companies to look for other sports to promote and train up sportspersons. Better not put all the money in this one bag called cricket, which is again filled with so many controversies and consistent underperformances.
September 19th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
I think BCCB should wake up now after watching
Srilanka. Lanka Board has already lifted the ban of their ICL players. Srilanka is ex world champion. They have Mega star like Murali Dharan. Besides they have Players like Singakara, Mahela, Lasith Malinga, Chaminda Vaas and fantastic new talent like Ajantha Mendis. But still they look the interest of their own Player Although Lanka Board is very
much depended on BCCI for Financial Loan.
Here is the source of Cric Info-
Sri Lanka lifts domestic ban on ICL players
Sa’adi Thawfeeq
September 19, 2008
Marvan Atapattu and Russel Arnold’s bans have been lifted © AFP
Sri Lanka Cricket (SLC) has broken ranks with the official cricketing establishment by deciding to allow five cricketers and an umpire who last year signed up for the unauthorised ICL to play domestic cricket. The significant decision was taken by SLC’s interim committee last week and has become public two days after the Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) became the latest nationol body to ban its ICL cricketers from all forms of official cricket.
ICL officials have welcomed the move as “a step in the right direction”.
The five cricketers who are now eligible to play for their respective clubs are Marvan Atapattu, the former Sri Lanka captain, Russel Arnold, Upul Chandana, Avishka Gunawardene and Saman Jayantha; the umpire is Ranmore Martinesz. Atapattu, Arnold and Chandana retired from international cricket to play in the ICL, and will now be seen in Sri Lanka’s Premier League and the limited-overs tournament, which are scheduled to start next month.
Duleep Mendis, the chief executive of SLC, told Cricinfo the board’s interim committee took this decision at a meeting following a request from the cricketers. “The interim committee has allowed these ICL players to play in domestic cricket after they sought permission to do so. This decision refers to a specific application from a specific group of players to take part in domestic cricket,” Mendis said. He refused to comment on whether similar waivers would be granted in future to cricketers who take part in subsequent editions of ICL — the league’s second season starts on October 10.
“Players will be allowed to play for their respective clubs and share their expertise, but cannot represent the country,” Shane Fernando, the Sri Lanka Cricket media manager, told AFP.
“This is a step in the right direction,” Himanshu Mody, the business head of ICL, told Cricinfo. “We hope that this decision paves the way for Sri Lankan cricketers to play for the ICL and their country in the near future.”
The Sri Lankan move was not unexpected, though, after SLC invited Arnold and Chandana to attend post-match prize distribution ceremonies during the Indian series in August. That was in stark contrast to the approach adopted by the BCCI and other national boards, which have banned ICL cricketers from all official platforms - the trade laws in UK, however, ensure that these players can play county cricket.
The Indian board, meanwhile, has expressed disappointment at the Sri Lankan move and said it will take up the matter with the ICC. “We are disappointed by this move from Sri Lanka,” Niranjan Shah, the BCCI secretary, told Cricinfo. “We will now refer the matter to the ICC, which is already debating the issue of unauthorised cricket.”
The ICC, which has formed a committee on unauthorised cricket, had clarified that any move to ban such players will “have to be taken by the respective boards of the concerned players”.
SLC had banned these cricketers last year when they joined the ICL which was in direct conflict to the BCCI-run IPL where 13 cricketers from the national team participated. The BCB on Wednesday banned 13 of its ICL cricketers, including Habibul Bashar, the former captain, for ten years from domestic and international cricket.
(Additional reporting by Ajay S Shankar)
Is it the wake up call for BCCB?
September 19th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
I don’t think its that difficult but you’re free to be as willfully obtuse as you like.
I’m not drawing a parallel between sportsmen and politicians. I’m drawing a parallel for the expectations we have of them when it comes to the delivery of soft, fluffy feel-good issues like national identity, loyalty, tax-payers money etc. Both politicians and sportsmen are lavished with facilities, wealth and attention. It is we who forgive one set for transgressions that the other does not.
Its like me saying if you had shown the slightest fraction of outrage towards the Al Qaeda terrorists, of what you show towards George Bush for Guantanamo, may be we could have had a terrorism free world.
Hey, I kind of think that if you replace “Al Qaeda terrorists” with “Saudi Arabian funding of Wahhabi Islam”, then that statement is quite correct.
September 19th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Again, I’m not going to get into whether the cricketers made the right decision, as I’ve seen good arguments both for and against in this thread, but I think Sid’s due process concerns come from statements like the one in comment 11: “Ban them form BD cricket for life. And make sure to keep them in jail until they pay back all the money that have been spent behind each of them last ten years.”
With regards to comment 59, Asif Bhai’s outrage is not about the alcohol itself as much as it is about how unprofessional it is of a sportsman to drink the night before a match. It would be akin to a surgeon going out on the lash the night before performing a surgery. Well, maybe not quite akin as no one’s life is at stake in cricket (although you wouldn’t be able to tell by reading this thread).
And Rumi Bhai, perhaps the two are not quite the same (comment 32), but I doubt that too many professionals would go running back to the Motherland if the government did call and removed many of the restrictions that you mentioned. Even if most professionals are trained using foreign resources, the ones we talked about got access to those foreign resources thanks to earlier training using deshi resources, infrastructure and curriculum. I’m not necessarily defending the cricket players here; I just think that some of the outrage, the quarters from where it has come, and the manner in which it has been expressed have been a tad uncalled for.
September 19th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
58#
Asif
“The lecture about improving the infrastructure was great but too bad it didn’t come from Shahriar Nafees, it came from Kajol Ahmed.”
It is not necessary that Nafees needs to tell this. I don’t find any thing wrong if this infra suggestion comes from Kajal Ahmad.
But For your Kind information Lipu Bhai himself, Rakibul Hassan, Utpol Shuvra all wasted print after print about infra structure.
Funniest thing is that we are test playing nation and we don’t have any 4 days match in last 10 years in domestic cricket. Still
I will give those boys credit while they face Brett lee, Ishanth sharma, Dale Steyn or Ajantha Mendis. From those Ashes we have got the phoenix Innings of Ashraful against Australia and Kapali against India. we have also got some glorious innings of Aftab. Except Tamim Ikbal none of the Bangladesh
players dominated against world class bowlers like these three. This is how Bangladesh cricket is running now. Early Days of Srilanka they did not win the match but Players like Duleep Mendis, Roy Dayas, Arjuna Rana Tunga or Aravinda- de-Silva continuously played with aggression.
Development cricket needs lots of planning.
It is not vandalism of Lalit Modi .
September 19th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Great going guys, I have been a silent follower of this blog. But at this moment can’t resist posting.
If these players could earn the same amount (if not more) playing for the national team, then is it all about money? If someone is telling me that potential long term national players like Aftab, Nafees or Dhiman do not consider playing cricket after next three years (when the initial ICL contract is over), he must be joking. So is there any misconception that worked with these young players (most of them are)? So did the board try to explore it before the execution? Did they try to explore the person(s) behind this? No, they simply try to please their “big brother” even before these players actually appearing in ICL.
Let us put the emotion aside (it’s been quite some time now after the initial shock), a rational person must agree that BCB’s step is taken to please BCCI (may be to keep Bangladesh in the test arena). 10 years ban without a proper prosecution is simply rubbish. I haven’t heard that BCB pointed anything related appealing against the verdict. The ICL players should at least be given the opportunity to play national league. Others ICL players are playing in domestic arena including foreign players playing county cricket. SLC just joined the club. If Dhaka Warriors could play competitive cricket in ICL, won’t they bring glory to the country? They will certainly prove that we deserve to be at the highest level (many are getting confused in these days).
If ICC allows ICL within next ten years (Modi will not be there for these ten years, I am sure!!!) what would be the reaction from BCB? It would be a joke if BCB turn around from their current decision. It will give a wrong signal for future.
I agree that the way these players (7 of them) resigned from the BCB contract (and asked for retirement) is not regrettable. (Even though they realised a permission would never be granted.) They must face prosecution for that. But at the same time, being a fan of Bangladesh cricket, being a fan of Aftab and Nafees, I expected BCB would try their best to resolve the issue. I did not forget the effort put by PCB to bring Yousuf back from ICL contract last year (when they really thought that was the wrong thing to do). I am ashamed I have to uphold a Pakistani organisation.
I wish BCB will soon realise that not diplomacy but playing good cricket can gratify Bangladesh’s position in the world cricket. I wish the fans (at least the bolggers in UV) will consider the dirty politics in world cricket (business) before their judgement.
PS: India is the only cricket governing body (among test playing countries) which uses the word “control” in its name. Well, there may be too much truth in it.
September 19th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Re #33:
I hope I am not very late to response. Mr. Rumi, did I read it right? I hope Admin did not make a mistake while modifying (if he had made any attempt).
If it is about WC 2007, that is the last act of pride for Bangladesh cricket. And suppose they committed the sin. (I agree during WC or any other series this kind of act should not be acceptable.) So what did the BCB people do about it? If they (BCB) did not take any action, what about banning a few of them for not performing?! May be we can seek help from ACC (Anti-Corruption Commission not Asian Cricket Council). Or may be we should consider this as a rumour just to humiliate ICL recruits.
Coming to your “money, good accommodation and good food” – I believe that is the first thing any professional would like to do (at least I did at the start of my career), unless someone inherits king’s treasure from her (or his) ancestor(s). Someone in these days doesn’t prioritise good food (very relative term for most of us), must be close to being a prophet. I certainly believe the last prophet in this planet died some 1500 years ago. And since I put the money issue in front in my previous post (#71), I will like to give a second thought on that conclusion.
September 19th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
So # 70, I expected a bit better from you.
To start with, it was a sports related thread, not a serious human rights, political, conspiracy theory discussion.
Days have changed significantly. If you happen to be in Dhaka stadium gallery during one of those Mohammedan-Abahani football matches of 70s -80s, you would notice how the die-hard fans are bringing back all fourteen generation of each player from grave or wherever it may be.
In sporting arena you are allowed ( at least in front of savvy readership) to express verbal outrage where your words don’t exactly mean waht you say.
But bringing politics ( and trying to score a point) into it is one of the worst kind of distraction.
September 20th, 2008 at 2:51 am
From Source of
Cric Info-
Other boards should let ICL players play’ - Atapattu
Ajay S Shankar
September 19, 2008
Marvan Atapattu: “This decision has come from a guy [Arjuna Ranatunga] who has led Sri Lankan cricket from the front, first as a player and now as an administrator” © Cricinfo
Sri Lanka Cricket’s decision to lift the domestic ban on five of its ICL cricketers is a “strong message” to other national boards, according to Marvan Atapattu, the former Sri Lankan captain. Atapattu, who plays for the ICL’s Delhi Giants, said the decision will lead to a situation where Sri Lankan cricketers can play for their country and choose between the unauthorised cricket league and the IPL.
“It’s a very strong message to other boards that have imposed similar bans,” Atapattu told Cricinfo. “It’s a message that the game is not ruled by any single body, and nobody should try to rule the game. I hope that other boards, including India, also let all their ICL players play in all forms of cricket. The players in India have taken a brave stand by joining ICL; they are very young and talented. Why not give them a chance now?”
Atapattu, 37, who also represents ICL’s World XI, was among the five who are now free to play domestic cricket again after the one-year-old ban was lifted by an interim committee of Sri Lanka Cricket (SLC), headed by Arjuna Ranatunga. The others who benefited from the decision, taken last week, were Russel Arnold, Upul Chandana, Avishka Gunawardene and Saman Jayantha.
Atapattu described the removal of the ban as “a positive step” that will level the field between ICL and IPL at least for Sri Lankan cricketers. “I don’t think there should have been a ban in the first place but we are very happy that the Sri Lankan board has taken such a positive step,” Atapattu said. “We are hopeful this will soon lead to a situation where our cricketers can play for their country and choose between the ICL and IPL. Right now, the situation is grossly unfair where some of our players play in IPL while the others sit at home and watch it on TV. It’s not fair that only players who play in the IPL can play for Sri Lanka. The ICL is a similar tournament, with a similar format, and only the name is different. So why is there this discrimination?”
Admitting he was “relieved” that the ban was lifted, Atapattu said the decision has prompted him to think about a comeback, possibly even to international cricket. “But for that, the first move has to come from the cricket board,” he said. “The previous administration wasn’t quite sure about me and the end wasn’t too good. This time, if they approach me, I will definitely think about it [an international comeback]. I just don’t want to jump the gun.”
Sri Lanka’s ICL cricketers, he said, had Ranatunga to back them and that made the difference. “This decision has come from a guy who has led Sri Lankan cricket from the front, first as a player and now as an administrator. He has once more shown the aggression that he showed as a World Cup-winning captain [in 1996], and we are thankful to him for that.
“Right now, I am just relieved that the ban has been lifted, and I haven’t given much thought to what I will do next. I have played all my life for Sinhalese Sports Club (SSC), and I am still fit and can play in all formats of the game. Let’s see what lies ahead.”
September 20th, 2008 at 4:24 am
Regarding # 70’s comments, I do understand what you mean - my anger was due to the timing (as another blogger pointed out) of the alcohol/drunken charges, the nightlifing, etc, which would not have been raised had the ‘rebels’ stayed at home, and which is not being raised about those cricketers who have opted to stay in the ‘national’ team - this was raised in the context of their supposed greed and anti-nationalism (”look, and they get drunk too”) which to me seemed deeply unfair. Kicking a man when he’s already down.
I did raise the probashi issue, for which i was labeled a knee-jerker. But my real point was that none of these probashi cricket experts, when and if they visit Bangladesh from their New York pads, ever actually get out and watch a full day’s game of domestic league cricket. Or watch any club cricket at all in Dhaka, under local conditions. I have, and I do. Then you get to see the real deal. To take an example, you then see Shahriyar Nafees flash outside the off stump, and hit, then miss. He gets away with it and hits a big score, or he gets out. Nobody says anything then, nobody notices this flaw, nobody writes about it, no coach comes over and corrects it, no national selector is bothered then about the fact that he may do it in Tests. Sure enough, he does the same thing in a Test match against a Flintoff, and he may get away with it once, but then Andy figures him out, and has him for lunch. Then begins the damn circus, when every Bangladeshi starts kicking Nafees’s ass all over town, and the national selectors wring their hands, since now everybody’s watching and everybody’s an expert. But that’s how he plays 99 percent of the time, and he has to be coached and taught during that 99 percent of the time - running around in a stadium for 3 weeks before a test match under Sidons isn’t going to correct this deep-seated problem. This system is the root of Bangladeshi cricket, where they learn their bread-and-butter stuff. I can say many things about many of these Test players, since i do occasionally go sit in some flyblown empty seat in the dust and watch them play their ‘natural’ game at their free-est. They are a bunch of likeable people, and I do not for a moment believe that they do not want to do their best for their country when they play Tests. They do, it’s not enough, and the fault is not with them.
To judge them from a distance, to not know them closely and try and understand their lives and play, to be SO judgemental, and then bring is all this crap about drinks and nightlife is deeply unfair to these temperamental, young men, bobbing in a sea of politics, and often being cynically used and manipulated. They won’t learn any more cricket here, let them go and learn it elsewhere. Bangladesh in the long run will benefit from it.
September 20th, 2008 at 9:35 am
I agree with Asif’s initial contention, and I think we are justified in our indignation. For me, the players excuses don’t hold water. For future, budding cricketers, these types don’t set a very good example.
Having said that, on second thought, Bangladesh isn’t a soviet republic.
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Kajol Ahmed (comment 76), I had misinterpreted your comment and thought that it was the expression of outrage itself to which you took exception. My apologies for the misunderstanding.
Rumi Bhai (comment 74), when have you seen me writing here, there and everywhere on the blog to score points? Since you did bring it up though, I would have understood your blood lust had you been in a stadium or sporting arena (even one filled with less-than-savvy readers) where yes, baying for an athlete’s blood is allowed and sometimes expected. As it happened, you were baying for blood on a human rights blog, which then opened you up to Sid’s political line of reasoning. I merely pointed out that his comment had its basis in yours. If you are going to expect better, you might try looking closer to home.
September 25th, 2008 at 2:52 am
To So and #78, No need to apologize, nothing wrong with yr comment, and difficult to always pick up every nuance in email exchanges. Plus you batted right thru the innings, sir! And some glorious cover drives by journey2 infinitive and sid. Sid especially drove one past the bowler that was a treat!
And finally, a round of applause for the opposition team honourably captained by Asif. A good match all round.