Wed 20 Aug 2008
As everyone knows, Gen Musharraf has stepped down from presidency. When our generals and their bhodrolok allies embarked upon cleansing our politics in January 2007, it was westward to Musharraf’s Pakistan they looked. That’s why the Financial Times reported on 16 Jan 2007:
To be seen to be even-handed in its treatment of Bangladesh’s two feuding parties, the army might consider what is called the ‘Musharraf option’. Just as General Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan’s president, exiled Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif, leaders of Pakistan’s two largest political parties after his 1999 bloodless coup, so might martial law lead to the expulsion of Mrs Zia and Sheikh Hasina, leader of the Awami League.
Now that the Musharraf era is over in Pakistan, what lessons should be drawn?
The most influential editor in today’s Bangladesh writes thus:
Not withstanding many differences (our tradition of democratic movement is stronger, people are far more aware of their rights, we have better social indicators, and our military today is far different from that of Pakistan and they are far more respectful of democracy and need for elected government than Pakistan army ever was), just as Pakistan looks forward to democracy, so do we. Just as in Pakistan where the two old parties, the PPP and the Muslim League, are set to resume their roles in politics, in Bangladesh, our two major parties, the Awami League and the BNP, are set to regain their dominance in our politics following the elections later this year. The question here is, just as in Pakistan, will our politicians rise to the occasion and play their patriotic and nation-building role so that the likelihood of military dictatorship is forever banished from our realm of possibility?
While pondering these, let’s turn our head eastward to Thailand. Here there was a prime minister who received strong mandate in repeated elections from the rural and lower middle classes. But he didn’t have much support from the urban educated classes and political forces who had a rich tradition of anti-dictatorship and pro-democracy politics. The PM was widely rumoured to be involved in serious corruption and abuse of power. Army intervened after political deadlock in 2006. Any of these sound familiar?
Thai voters returned the deposed PM Thaksin’s party with a clear majority, ignoring the corruption charges. Thaksin returned to Thailand, and was expected to resume office after legal formalities were done. It seems, however, that Thaksin prefers to fade away into exile (see here). Is there any lesson for us from the east?
Dear reader, what lessons do you draw for Bangladesh from the developments in Pakistan and Thailand? Looking forward to a vigorous debate (please avoid personal attacks and irrelevant comments).
August 21st, 2008 at 3:28 am
Jyoti,
The core lesson, the recent developments in Pakistan and Thailand may teach, is this that democracy cannot come without the elimination of the influence of black money from the political process. In other words, only a ‘level playing field’, not elections only, can ensure democracy. USA and India are the two biggest and blaring examples of how the absence of a ‘level playing field’ can scuttle democracy ‘of the people, by the people, for the people’.
ahbabaziz@yahoo.com
August 21st, 2008 at 6:32 am
Don’t you think we had all these related lessons for so long,but the point is politicians of this country never give a damn about learning things then how come we expect it would matter learning from east or west,i remember the saying that “one can take a horse into water but can not make him drink ” in our case, politicians and same old horses, 1/11 can chain them,lock them behind bars but can not change their mindset about how to run politics, anyone dont agree with me? see how BNP and AL talked about the City Corporation election or even how BNP celebrated 15th Aug by publicly distributing cake and sweet when the nation declared the date a mourning day and how Delwar talked to media about the date, nothing has changed rather old buddies are back with Victory sign,I think situation is completely hopeless so its better the sooner national election is conducted, release the country to its fate get ready to see the same old politics wait another 16/17 years there might come something like 1/11 and may that time it will succeed to deliver some real good thing, so till then stop dreaming but keep on screaming and complaining to keep the things atleast in a tolerable level (or we can upgrade our tolerence level)
August 21st, 2008 at 7:36 am
Reacting to Mushi’s resignation, one serving Brigedier reportedly said : ‘it means we can stay for at least 10 years, so we have more than eight years in our hands.’
August 21st, 2008 at 7:37 am
Whether any of the evolving process in different countries that is being sighted to draw a lesson, I am not sure. Lesson is learnt only when one is eager and let his/her intelect allow to perceive.
Our stubborn hypothesis as a result of long many years of successful induction - going my own way to do thing, it is very hard to change.
I have noticed a great anomaly and ambiguity in the quote from an influential Editor above, but
many wouldn’t notice, and that is how things
evolves here.
As it appeared that course appeared to have taken by our current military back regime and the unchanged political culture’s strong existance do not bring much hope. Worse of all the legal system remain unchanged.
Musharraf’s exit do not guarantee a viable democracy in Pakistan so is our next election.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:32 am
lesson 1
Democracy is an empty lie.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:03 am
Thank you Haque bhai for noticing the anomaly. Mahfuz Anam has simply passed the buck on the politicians here but the reality is this: hoping that the politicians would suddenly become noble and ‘learn’ from their mistakes is again building up false expectations about the upcoming election and the new government. The truth of the matter is little will change because our institutions are badly broken. In stead of fixing it, this government whacked it even more. So the same cycle will continue where the powerful will abuse its power and the ‘influential editor’ is on record of being silent while all this was going on during the current regime. So he has little moral authority to lecture the political parties about accountibility when he displayed none in his role as the leading editor of the most influential daily in Bangladesh.
Kamal, can you cite one “pro-india” policy that you allude to of AL when they were in power in the nineties? What is a pro-india policy anyway? A policy that favours India over Bangladesh? If that’s the case, then I didn’t see the tata deal, transit issue, gas selling to india etc take place during the AL regime. So I am wondering what makes their policies “pro-india”. Very eager to be enlightened.
August 21st, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Lesson from Pakistan: The military is just another arm of the government. If you treat it like some sort of “last guarantor” of the state then you will end up getting a military state. Pakistan can hardly teach us anything we haven’t learnt the hard way ourselves.
Lesson from Thailand: No one carries out a coup to hand the power back to politicians. Not easily. Not so fast. Of course there are exceptions, but has our unfortunate country ever been that lucky?
Siraj bhai, last section of the comment is probably on the wrong thread.
August 21st, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Fugstar
“Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried.” ~ Winston Churchill
emran,
no 1/11 can deliver good in the long run, but “screaming and complaining to keep the things atleast in a tolerable level” might.
August 21st, 2008 at 1:58 pm
they cant teach us anything we dont already know
this govt was the only one tht could bring major changes to the country’s political scene and it didnt…instead the generals went on minting money and starting farcial “campaigns”….we were badly let down once again
we cant rely on the current batch of politicians….the only option remaining is a people’s movement against these forces
August 21st, 2008 at 10:44 pm
Looking at the politics of developing countries I can’t agree more with Fugstar. And it seems to me democracy or party-cracy or elected oligarchy vs bulleto-cracy/martialcracy or autocracy or dictatorship, nothng make any difference for people like us. Demoncracy or Demoncracy of any forms are coming to us as if day and night as if most essential and inevitable cycle.
And there should not be any universal form and shape of democracy. Democracy should be home-made tailored to coutry-specific need or problem. There is no singularly any unique pill or medication to allay our pain or cure our diseases. Even every food is not tolerable to everybody. So is the state administrative craft. So as we practice literal democracy ” Democracy of the people…..” prescribed by our donors in most cases, it become pretty intolerable to us. Some disease is not curable at like cancers. If our people aren’t administratively yet in the cancerous process we should try indegenious democracy but if we are in incurable cancerous disease we should just surrender to natural cure it happens or magical therapy until any universal cure or vaccine is out to combat our political cancer gene.
Thanks.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:03 am
Did AL learn collaborating with Ershad and subsequently loosing to BNP. Yes or No? Did BNP learn after a humiliating defeat to AL. Yes or No?
Did public learn anything out of AL and BNP’s charismatic leaders actions, I doubt!
Only thing happened the majority and uneducated (including myself)each time hope that the so called democratic process will punish them and get us little rule of law and succor. Do you thing I am telling the truth, Yes or No.?
Have you the so called educated, being the supporter of AL or BNP or CTG managed to withdraw your blind support, Yes or No? Please do not be ambiguous..
A long learning process only is awaited. Meanwhile the millions under a crushing defeat groans and the educates mints their words sometime like a finest jewellary, I only admire but never could afford to reach closure.
August 22nd, 2008 at 1:19 pm
bitterboy
I understand your frustration, but democracy does look different in different countries because of the people and their socio-economic conditions. You might not like the leaders, but you should agree that you have the same right as others who do. Unfortunately you are in minority. Democracy reflects the collective decision of the people. So instead of complaining about the rule of the game and trying to change it in your favor, isn’t it better to convince people to come to your side and make your views majority? Depending on powers other than yours (collective power), will never materialize your vision, nor do any good for the people. Instead, it always curtail peoples power which you have access to, and make difficult for your vision to transpire in the long run. It might take a long time (and usually it does)to achieve it, but their is no short cut for success.
By the way you are not the only one who has the frustration. It is universal struggle to achieve perfection. Although perfection is elusive, we still vie for it and that keeps us going. In politics, only democracy facilitates that process. Two quotes from one of the frustrated politician - Winston Churchill.
The frustration:
“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”
But the conclusion:
“Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried.”
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:12 pm
I was quoting a lyric from ’spectators of suicide’.
The enemies of the people, the political party leaders who divide, titilate and distract attention from whats important… are clear. How comes it sounds like so many are waiting for them to come and ’save’ bangladeshi ‘democracy’.
How dare they divide(democracy) and rule(CTG/US/India/Whoever) people and wear that imperial democracy virtue? How dare you present a narrative where they come and save the democratic day with their freedom biryani and chotputi.
Societies need to evolve and discover better systems and experiment. All this end of history democracy moronarchy is really a distration. Divide and rule, thats whats going on, and folks are content to be divided by the greatest division.
Its just so suicidal.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:45 am
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/One-third_of_worlds_poor_in_India_Survey/articleshow/3409374.cms
Please click on the link above to see how so-called ‘democracy’, without a ‘level playing field’ like the Indian ‘democracy’, can prove to be meaningless / regressive for the majority of the populace. It also shows the dangerous fallout of the grip of ‘corporatocracy’, Arundhati Roy predicted on which as follows:
“Soviet-style communism failed, not because it was intrinsically evil but because it was flawed. It allowed too few people to usurp too much power: 21st-century market-capitalism, American-style, will fail for the same reasons.”
ahbabaziz@yahoo.com
August 27th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Ahbab Aziz
Of course democracy has its own limitations, but the difference between democracy and other system of government is the built in the process to correct the failures. Democracy is a process where you can correct the mistakes. It gives the people the power to identify, define and solve the problems. It evolves with the people and their thinking.
By the way, Arundhati Roy did not predicted the demise of democracy, she was talking about “21st-century market-capitalism, American-style”, which obviously isn’t a definition of democracy!
August 28th, 2008 at 1:57 am
Iqo (# 15),
(1) Did I say anything against democracy? I only highlighted the danger posed by the omnipresent ‘corporatocracy’ masquerading as democracy.
(2) How come you drew the conclusion that I interpreted Arundhati’s comments as ‘demise of democracy’? I used her comments as a reference on possible future of ‘corporatocracy’ masquerading as democracy.
ahbabaziz@yahoo.com
August 28th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Ahbab Aziz,
Thanks for the response. I do agree with your notion about “corporatocracy” - accumulation of power to a certain group, hampers the wellbeing of all. But your first paragraph does sound like you are actually complaining about Democracy. Could you please elaborate a bit more about how ‘level playing field’ can be achieved?
Thanks again!
August 29th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Iqo (#17),
‘Level playing field’ can only be achieved by eliminating the influence of black / unaccounted money from the political process. And, this influence can be eliminated by allowing the law to take its own course.
ahbabaziz@yahoo.com