Sun 22 Jun 2008

CRPF personnel patrol at the Hill Cart road near Siliguri
“Beneath that veneer of sophistication, the average Bengali is as communal and parochial as Raj Thackeray and his goons. But, while Raj & Co have the courage to speak their minds, the Bengalis would try and couch their racism in sophisticated language.”
The location is Gorkhaland, but it could also be Chittagong Hill Tracts.
Kolkata Korner
Jaideep Mazumdar
True Colours
A person’s, group’s, party’s or community’s true colours come out in times of crises. Faced with sudden and unprecedented opposition in Nandigram, the CPI(M) deployed its armed cadres to quash the revolt. Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee bares his fangs whenever he’s angry or upset. And now that the Gorkhas have started demanding a separate state comprising large and scenic tracts of North Bengal, the oh-so-bhadralok Bengalis who love to call themselves tolerant, egalitarian and broad-minded have turned abusive, bigoted, parochial and provincial. Which just goes to prove that beneath that veneer of sophistication, the average Bengali is as communal and parochial as Raj Thackeray and his goons. Difference is, Raj & Co have the courage to speak their minds while the Bengalis would try and couch their racism in sophisticated language. But the stalwarts that Bengal produced decades ago were far from bigoted and prejudiced. Tagore spoke of opening minds and Vivekananda about all religions being equal. It is so unfortunate that those who swear by Tagore and Swamiji today don’t know anything about the lives and teachings of those great personas and prefer, instead, to go the way of the Thackerays.
Marxist Duplicity
To a Marxist, or a Communist, ‘preserving the contours of a state’ (as a resolution introduced by the Chief Minister at the all-party meeting earlier this week said) shouldn’t be important at all. Communism is all about lofty (albeit unattainable and impractical, but that’s another matter) principles where ideology, and not man-made political boundaries or contours, is of primary importance. Emancipation is important, as is empowerment. Marxists profess empathy for the poor and marginalized and claim to work for their interests. Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee and his comrades ought to, then, be the strongest advocates of the Gorkhas who are perhaps the poorest, the most neglected and the most backward among all communities in Bengal. They lag behind the rest of Bengal, of which they’re unwilling citizens, in most human development indices; decades of neglect and discrimination have left the Gorkhas angry, frustrated and desperate. But Bhattacharjee & Co will not champion their cause. The reason being that Bengal’s ruling Marxists are Bengalis first and Marxists later. That is why, incidentally, the comrades in the hills broke away from their parent party during the Gorkhaland movement two decades ago to form the Communist Party of Revolutionary Marxists (CPRM). I remember a CPRM leader telling me a few years ago that the then CM Jyoti Basu’s approach to tackling the Gorkhaland movement was extremely racist and parochial and that hurt and distressed Darjeeling’s Marxists so much that they broke away from the parent party, something committed Communists rarely do.
CPI(M)’s Role
Two decades have elapsed, but if anything, the CPI(M) has become more Bengali than ever. The party has been accused, and evidence of this has surfaced, of propping the ‘Amra Bangali’, a community-based extremist group. The Jana Jagaran Mancha, another organization formed to counter the Gorkhaland demand and stoke the latent parochialism among Bengalis, has overt links with the CPI(M) and its affiliates. The CPI(M), by backing these two organizations, shamelessly played the communal card. Its objective was to provoke a backlash against the Gorkha Janamukti Morcha (which is spearheading the Gorkhaland movement) by Bengalis residing in Siliguri, which is the gateway to the Darjeeling Hills and Sikkim. The CPI(M) succeeded in doing so and when activists of the Mancha (many were also members of the DYFI) stopped traders in Siliguri from sending commodities to the hills in a bid to impose an economic blockade against the Gorkhas, the sinister gameplan was laid bare.
It was very simple—show the Gorkhas that they’re dependant on Bengalis who can choke supplies to the hills and, hence, the Gorkhas shouldn’t dare to demand a separate state. When senior CPI(M) leaders like Transport Minister Subhas Chakraborty endorse such shameful and condemnable tactics, it is all too apparent that such evil strategies had the sanction of Bengali Marxists. Fortunately, this gameplan has now been abandoned, but only because it threatened to spiral out of control and result in a full-blown communal riot between Bengalis and Gorkhas in Siliguri last week.
Gorkhas’ Anger
Apart from the neglect, mistreatment and discrimination that the Gorkhas have suffered at the hands of successive governments in Bengal, particularly the CPI(M)-led Left Front in the last three decades, what has led to complete alienation is the blind eye that the state government turned to the misdeeds of Ghising as head of the Darjeeling Gorkha Hill Council (DGHC). Ghising, a whimsical and unstable man at best, made a mess of the development process in the hills. Corruption was widespread and all financial and administrative norms were thrown to the winds. Funds meant for vital works were siphoned off or left unutilized. Ghising treated the DGHC as his own personal fief and acted like the king of the hills. Thanks to the muscle power of Ghising’s Gorkha National Liberation Front (GNLF), the people of the hills couldn’t raise their voices against Ghising’s misdeeds, corruption in the DGHC and the appalling lack of development in the hills. But the state government, which knew all that was going on and could have stopped it, did nothing. Why? Because it was not at all concerned about the welfare of the people of the hills, but only with using Ghising to suppress the aspirations of the hill people for a separate state. The Gorkhas’ anger was accentuated when the Bengal government tried to push through Ghising’s controversial and ill-advised bid to include the DGHC-administered areas within the Sixth Schedule of the Constitution (applicable only to the tribal areas of the country). Since only a little over 19% of Gorkhas (Limbus and Tamangs; Ghising belongs to the Tamang community) are tribals and, with the Sherpas and Lepchas, the tribal population in the hills would be about 32 percent, the Bengal government’s backing of the bid was seen as a mischievous attempt to create a tribal-non tribal divide among the people of the hills when no such divide exists at present. But the primary anger is over the state government’s inaction over Ghising’s misdeeds, for which the hills people suffered terribly all these years.
A Myth
Bengal’s rulers, politicians and the Bengalis themselves pretend that the Darjeeling Hills have always been an inalienable part of Bengal. But a peep into history would reveal the fallacy of this stand. Until the early 19th century, the territory that is today the Darjeeling Hills was ruled over by Nepal and Sikkim intermittently. It was very sparsely populated by only Lepchas. In 1828, a few East India Company officers on their way from Bengal to Sikkim halted at what is today Darjeeling town and, taken in by the beauty and climatic conditions there, decided it would serve as a good sanatorium for British soldiers. The Darjeeling hills were thus obtained under a lease negotiated with the Chogyal of Sikkim in 1835. People from Nepal and Sikkim started settling down in the Darjeeling Hills during this period and after the British established their presence there and started tea estates, more people from Nepal started arriving as labourers and tea garden workers. No king or nawab of Bengal ever ruled over or exercised any sort of control over the Darjeeling Hills and certainly, no Bengali ever set foot in the hills till well after the British consolidated their presence there by annexing the territory in 1849 after a dispute with the Chogyal.Darjeeling became part of Bengal only in 1947. So to pretend now that Darjeeling Hills has always been part of Bengal is historically incorrect and morally and ethically wrong and unsustainable. It is thus hilarious that Bengalis from different political parties who met at the invitation of Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee earlier this week passed a resolution which effectively states that ‘Gorkhaland’ will not be conceded. Who, by the way, are Bengalis to agree to Gorkhaland? Darjeeling Hills belongs to the Gorkhas and Bengal has been ruling over them, rather inefficiently and harshly at that, in an unjustifiable manner. It is high time this injustice is set right and the state of Gorkhaland created.
Some Support
Though most Bengalis consider Gorkhaland an emotive issue and would bristle with rage at any suggestion to carve out a separate state for the Gorkhas, there are some who support the Gorkhas’ demand. It is heartening to see that organizations like the Association for Protection of Democratic Rights and a students’ body (Independents’ Consolidation) that has formed the student’s union at the premier Presidency College support the Gorkhaland demand. More Bengalis ought to support this demand for their own good. Bengalis ought to realise that the Darjeeling Hills were never part of Bengal, that the Gorkhas have been discriminated against all these years and they want their own state in an area they have been dwelling in for at least two hundred years. Happy Gorkhas in Gorkhaland are any day better for Bengalis than angry Gorkhas in Bengal. This simple logic can’t, surely, be missed by Bengalis who boast of their intellect?
June 22nd, 2008 at 9:31 am
I lived in Darjeeling (as a student at the anglican St. Paul’s School) from age 6 to age 18. Darjeeling was the summer capital of the British India and it is here in the Himalayas that the British kept their families and educated their children in schools and carried on their surveillance of the empire below.
Gurkhas had always been very loyal to the British. There is still a Gurkha regiment in the British army and in post-independent India as part of the state of west Bengal under CPM (Communist party) they did not receive their fair share, unlike other states like Sikkim, Nagaland and Mizoram with similar ethnic differences.
Having said that, Darjeeling is no Chittagong Hill Tracts because India is not Bangladesh. The world’s fourth lagest military power exist to ensure that the unity and the confederation of the Indian states is preserved well. Compare to past separatist movements in Khalistan, assam, Kashmir and elsewhere in India, this latest episode of unrest in and around Darjeeling is nothing new. The Nepali dajus of the hills know their limitations facing a strong state like India. If Bangladesh could be a strong state like India, Chittagong Hill Tracts too would be peanuts for us. That does not mean that we casually slaughter the rights of the minorities.
June 22nd, 2008 at 10:24 am
I think this is a brilliant article which highlights how whether epar or opar racism is rife amongst us - the ‘Other’ living in our midst: whether Jumma, Chakma, Gorkha, Oriya, Adivasi or Bihari, all seen as necessarily inferior and therefore treated as dirt.
As for a response to the comment above: India is not the world’s fourth largest military power!! Its China. Anyway, we do know that even though it is an important military power, it has to date, never been run by the military. Therefore your point doesn’t make much sense.
Besides, the Gorkhas have not talked of a separate ‘country’ but a separate regional ’state’. The recent new states of Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand and Uttaranchal were carved out of larger states and I don’t see why the new regional state of Gorkhaland can’t be a possibility..
I really wish people would check their facts before giving us their opinions!
June 22nd, 2008 at 11:59 am
Many thanks to the writer for this article. Personally, I feel sad that picturesque Darjeeling is in the throes of such an ugly racial crisis. The native people of Darjeeling, in my experience, are quite jovial and accomodating.
#1
How does the army of India contribute to ‘ensure the unity and confederation of the Indian States’?
(Before you get defensive and call me a mango again, I’m just curious to know why you said, what you said)
June 23rd, 2008 at 8:08 am
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June 24th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
It isn’t just India which should recognise the rights of minority ethnic groups. In Bangladesh the Sylhet region is discriminated against both by the govt and as Sylhetis face societal discrimination. It is more than time our language, Sylheti, was recognised and used for official purposes such as govt business and the media. Not many sylhetis understand the Dhakaiya so called ‘Shudho’ language. This creates problems in terms of education and job prospects given the disparity between the language spoken at home (Sylheti basha) and that enforced by the Bangladeshi govt for essentially political purposes ie. tribute to the language movement. It is time artificial impositions of languages was stopped.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
#5
“It is more than time our language, Sylheti, was recognised and used for official purposes such as govt business and the media.”
So should all other dialects such as Noakhailla and Barishaillah and Chattgaiah also be used in official purposes? What happens when documents are used for cross-purposes?
There is a reason why ‘officially’ one/two languages are used– so that information is accessible to all. Since Sylhet is still a part of Bangladesh, shouldn’t all Sylhetis at least try to understand, if not speak, Shuddho Bangla? It’s the same alphabet and the same grammar.
If, I take your word, ‘Not many sylhetis understand the Dhakaiya so called ‘Shudho’ language’, then it really is in their own interest to learn the language.
And personally, I found your comparison of Sylhet with CTG killings and Gurkha repression insulting (to the two latter causes). ‘Bengalis’ are not discriminating against Sylhetis. In my experience, it’s the other way round -’Bengali go loge mata zai ni?’ ‘Tan furi ye to Bengali biya korer, amrar furi re Bengali’r shathe ditam nai”oh..’tomra ‘Bengali’ ni? ei legi chapar okkhore mato?”Pohela Baishakh? Eeta amrar sylhoti culture e nai…bengali der culture’.
-Sylhoti Furi (non-communal)
June 24th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
Sylhetifua,
Wouldn’t it be confusing if we had many languages in our official documents. Besides what would stop Barishaillas or Noakhailla fuas to claim the same for their own (dare I say) dialect?
Asif (another Sylhoti fua)
June 25th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
As a starting point I think everyone will agree that it is the right of every individual to express themselves as they wish in speech and writing. If India can recognise 13 languages then Bangladesh can certainly recognise Sylheti. It is a shame the government discontinued official use of the Sylheti language and the nagri language script from 1971. A betrayal of the very reason Bangladesh was supposedly created, ie. freedom of language. Chatgaiya should also be recognised.
A state language should be reflective of the language spoken by people in their everyday life. The vast majority of Sylhetis do not speak Dhakaiya, although most Sylhetis in Bangladesh will understand the language to varying degrees. This is one reason Sylhetis prefer to watch Channel S (private) rather than BTV (public funded!!). One does not usually wish to struggle to understand while watching a programme. In my experience the few fluent Sylheti speakers of Dhakaiya were bought up in Dhaka and cannot speak Sylheti well, if at all. They do not believe in extended family either. People who don’t follow our linguistic and cultural traditions are not usually considered Sylheti. I guess Asif and Fariha are examples.
One finds it disturbing that ‘Human Rights’ organisations should pick and choose to campaign about the discrimination faced by Ghorkas and CHT Chakma but not Sylhetis, I guess too close to certain comfort zones. Sadly many secular and liberal Bengali organisations have the language movement as their inspiration and wish to follow a monolithic approach to languages in the name of language martyrs.
Dhakaiyas wish to impose their language in official business to give themselves advantages in terms of employment and education and access state resources. If Bengalis did not accept Urdu as a state language then why do Dhakaiya’s believe we will accept their lingo? If we follow Fariha’s line of thinking then it is also the height of discourtesy for Dhakaiyas in the UK to expect the majority Sylhetis to forgo our language and to organise events in the Dhakaiya language ref: Drishtipat.
Societal discrimination is one reason Sylhetis emigrated in such large numbers to the UK, Canada and the States. It is also one reason we have little time for Bangladeshi ideologies and institutions.
–Sylhetifua (not aligned to any Bangladeshi party or institution in line with most ordinary people)
June 26th, 2008 at 5:13 am
Sylheti Fua,
I am dumbstruck! I was born and raised in Dhaka. This is the first time in my life I came to know, according to YOUR sylheti laws, I am no longer considered sylhoti!! I am a proud sylhoti and I am rejecting your fatwa.
The way you are saying “Dhakiya” language is the official language of Bangladesh, I am afraid, you are not familiar with either of them. Someone once told me, “If you don’t recognize a horse, just admit it. Don’t call it a cow, which will expose that you don’t know a cow either.”
Have a quick look at the top tier of administration, politics, and business at Bangladesh; do you see lack of Sylhotis? Please, do not come up with imaginary complains. Your insinuations are totally divisive. Your comparisons to CHT, Gorkhas, and Garos are insulting to any decent human being. I should not have engaged you, just felt a compulsion so that a common reader does not get a wrong impression about Sylhet. I am done with you, even “khodar thata o tomare hojag korto parto na!!”
June 26th, 2008 at 10:50 am
If we follow Sylheti Fua’s line of thinking, then it is also the height of discourtesy for Sylhetis in the UK to expect the majority English white folk to forgo their language and to organise events in the Sylheti DIALECT (incidentally, calling Shuddho Dhakaiya brings home SC’s point that Sylheti Fua is unaware that Dhakaiya is another dialect). I suppose since this post is about racism (and prejudice, I suppose), you need look no further than someone, who without knowing Asif or Fariha personally, decided upon what they are considered. Straight up bigotry!
June 26th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Good for you, Sylhoti fua. I am sure you are doing a very credible job at whatever you are doing. There are factual errors in your statement. There is no channel S in Bangladesh. It ran for a few months before being shut down for running its operation without permit in Bangladesh. For some of us, The regions are not so important. That’s why you perhaps have seen Drishtipat was the first website where Channel S’ host Rezwan Hossain’s account of torture was published. Similarly when Sylhetis in London got ripped of by First Solutions, we were quite vocal in highlighting it. I think I know who you are. You are the same guy who has been obsessed about this Sylheti-Dhakaia issue for the longest time and regularly vandalize our wiki entry. I hope you stop this insanity.
June 27th, 2008 at 12:10 am
I suppose one possible reaction to Sylhetifua’s comment ‘we have little time for Bangladeshi ideologies and institutions’ is to engage, like Asif/Fariha/SC/Hotash have done. Another possibility is to raise your eyebrows until they form a curly bracket over your eyes, then glance your eyes in both direction, and then say to yourself - right, move on, nothing to discuss here. But, I wonder if there is more to the regionalist views put forward in such comments?
I have no idea how many people from Sylhet division feels that they are being discriminated against. But people of some other parts of Bangladesh - specifically North Bengal and some districts south of Padma - may well have regional grievances based on economic matters. Consider the following:
1. Per capita income in Rajshahi Division is over 10% lower than that of Dhaka Division, nearly 15% lower than that of the national average, and well over 20% lower than that of Chittagong Division according to the Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics data.
2. According to a Bangladesh Bank study, these regional differences have persisted since the 1970s (earliest they have the data I think). Given similar socio-economic background, technology, financial system, resource endowment, infrastructure, administrative system etc, this kind of persistent difference is quite puzzling.
3. The prevalence of monga in North Bengal. When was the last time anyone reported monga in Sylhet?
4. Drive outside Dhaka towards Bogra, Rangpur or Dinajpur (incidentally, 3 districts associated with 2 families that have ruled Bangladesh for over a quarter century), and notice the local bazaars and villages after you cross the Jamuna Bridge. Now do the same along the Dhaka-Chittagong or Dhaka-Sylhet highways. You will see the difference in prosperity for yourself.
Regional differences in living standard - measurable by data, not imagined grievances about cultural purity - are very real. Is this a cause for concern? Is there a chance that tomorrow some Rangpurifua or Bografua will use these data demand a Shadhin Uttar Bangla?
Looking back at Bangladesh’s own freedom struggle, without denying the cultural milestones like Pohela Boishakh or Tagore centenary in any way, I contend that it was very real economic differences between the two wings of Pakistan that made Sheikh Mujib’s 6-points such a success.
Disclaimer: I was born in Dhaka, my father’s family comes from Sandip, Chittagong, though the last time anyone visited the island was in 1970, and my mother’s family comes from Jamalpur, and I answer ‘apnar desh koi’ with Bangladesh.
June 27th, 2008 at 1:02 am
Another way of looking at it would be to peel away the layers of that particular perception. I understand why it exists and how it is propagated.
I’ll even go so far as to say that I can see a thread right from the first partition to the point where the awami muslim league came abaout because the dhaka centrics would not accomodate those from assam and west bengal.
I dont think that post-Bongobhumi, there will be further decrease in the size of bangladesh anytime soon, barring land subsidence and erosion. It is small enough as it is. regionalism is a corrupting factor though. TIB report didnt talk about it. Has this form of corruption reduced recently? How interbred are the generals?
Sirajganj and Bogra have benefited at different times fom big power holders residing there and manipulating state power for local appreciation. Gaibandha and probably Jamalpur havent. Jyoti, Bogra has a neighbourhood called Banani. need I say more?
Sometimes the spatial politics works to the national advantage. The Teesta Barrage took ages to complete. If it wasnt near Rangpur, i dont think Ershad would have been as willing to continue providing political cover for it. It would have been killed just like the Gorai River Restoration Project was killed by the last government.
There is a very real problem with political regionalism and discontinuities forced by that regionalism. It retards medium and long term planning.
Regionalism is accelerated by nonlinear logic of investment. A generation ago for a westpakistan centric, investing 10 kuti in industry in the west would have seemed to be more ‘beneficial’ than investing 10 kuti in the east. This investment logic is still in operation.
Eg. The highway bypasses Gaibandha town on the way to Rangpur from Bogra. Gaibandha has become a pocket district having only been made a district HQ around 84. The dhaka centrics dont see much of value to protect there because nothing looks like Boshundhara. Then 10-15 years from now the town washes away into the river. This is ‘ok’ as there is no threat to the jamuna bridge link road like there allegedly was in Sariakandi Bogra, no ‘growth centre’, no universities.
It is very annoying, but hardwired into the current type of electoral system. Im not sure how functional upazila or district parishads would help. Im not sure how much regionalised geography sylabii would help either.
June 27th, 2008 at 8:03 am
Political Apathy: Setting Gorkhaland Ablaze
Sir,
The Gorkhas are known worldwide as a hardy, smiling, loyal and easy-going people who may be satisfied with meager pickings. On the other hand, they are also known as the bravest, fiercest, and sometimes – the most daring lot – with no sense of fear or danger. Both the World Wars and many other incidents have proved this.
Now, for the Central and WB State governments to try politicize the issue using the All India sentiment as well as the support of the communist vote bank of the West Bengal leaders as well as their supporter’s sentimental ego - by making irresponsible remarks about the Gorkhas as is evident - is to further fan and ignite the Gorkhaland flames.
Had the Indian Central Government thoughtfully and timely granted the constitutional demand for the 6th Schedule status passed by the WB Government about the Darjeeling hill areas in 2002-2003; after 15 years of simmering peace since 1989 - but with no tangible development due to the misrule and shortsightedness of the Bengal government - the matter would have appeased the Gorkhas as a “major victory” and would have defused the entire Gorkhaland issue.
But deliberate dithering and purposefully dilly-dallying on the 6th Schedule Issue over the past 5 years, due to the power struggles in Delhi, struck the spark that has now, in 2008, again reignited the hills.
It is foolhardy, for all fellow Indians, to think that burying the Gorkhaland issue - as an ostrich does its head - or using an iron fist, deploying the CRPF or the Indian Army, will somehow solve the issue, is just being naive.
Because, now the Gorkhas of the Darjeeling Hills areas have lost their patience. And we all know that when a Gorkha gets angry – even the most powerful, callous, brutal and inhumane people shiver.
How so: when your trusted, loyal and subservient ‘Bahadur’ turns his psychological “Khukuri” on you, or on our “All Indian” family? A rude awakening then awaits. Keep your “Bahadur” happy with timely concessions and all can sleep easy.
Good political sense would be for the Central Government to now stand tall and realize that the Chicken’s Neck, as the Gorkhaland area is labled, cannot be starved nor strangled.
Now: instead of doing the noble and correct thing, as may not be possible for most politicians, then - only for the sake of India’s most important “National Security” issue(and if Statehood or the 6th Schedule is not a palatable solution) then granting Union Territory Status, may be the only honorable and safe way out. No sensible Indian would want to slit the goose’s neck by being callous, indifferent or negligent.
The storm in the “All India Cup” is brewing – who knows when this storm will turn into a level 8 Hurricane - with weather patterns drastically changing the world over.
We Indians wouldn’t want the Gorkhas to turn Maoists – would we? (The ISI may be licking their chops.) The possibility is currently unimaginable but someday, in the not too distant future, sadly possible.
BKSir
WB, India
A Conscientious Soul
June 27th, 2008 at 8:51 am
Drishtipat must be the only human rights group that actually sponsors discrimination. I give one small example, if I ever want to apply to be a Bangladesh newsreader then I wont be considered because I speak sylheti not your language. This is called d-i-s-c-r-i-m-i-n-a-t-i-o-n. Stop with your Bangla mentality and think of human rights as we do in the West.
And Fariha for your information my brother was going to marry a girl from Naraigonj but her family said ‘no you are sylheti not bengali’. So get your facts right, buzcho ni go? in my experience dhakaiyas always like to discriminate against sylhetis and say we are low class people but then try to make out they are liberal and things like this.
Noone voted for dhakaya as the main language. Think about it, no sylheti would vote to make dhakaya the language and make themselves second class citizens with less access to everything. Again that’s why we sylhetis say its not our culture to celebtrate poila boyshak because it has become too politicised. It used to be about celebrating agriculture.
June 27th, 2008 at 9:19 am
Just in case, people are confused as I am reading sister Ruzi’s comment, Drishtipat is not choosing Bangladeshi newsreader hence I am not sure how this example of DP sponsoring discrimination is relevant.
Sister Ruzi, calm down. I hear you loud and clear. You have personal history with some non Sylheti families. No one is denying there is not stereotypes among people. Just like you are putting all non-sylheties in the same bracket with your comments, I am sure other non sylhetis do the same too with Sylhetis.
However, calling it discrimination because your dialect is not spoken in natinonal news or in drishtipat programs is a bit sad attempt at playing victimhood. As SC pointed out, our current chief advisor, finance minister, foreign minister — all hail from Sylhet. If there was discrimination against Sylhetis in Bangladesh, this would not have been possible. Similarly both the parties have leaders from Sylhet as well. Also think about the logistical nightmare of putting out national news in all the different dialects we have.
Rather I suggest, let’s work on building bridges and removing the mistrust. How about ‘Teach yourself sylheti’ and ‘teach yourelf shudhdho bangla’ training classes?
Sadly this thread has boiled down to “kaijja fasad”. Don’t think the admins will let it go on for much longer.
June 27th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
[I know this is completely unrelated to the original post and my apologies to the writer. Apologies to admin for the 'kaijja']
[If you've read Harry Potter, then you're familiar with the concept of 'mud-blood' 'pure-blood' and other discriminatory terms..]
Jyoti bhai and Fug,
If it had been people from North Bengal or the Chawr people frm down below, honestly, we would have to admit that yes, there is regional economic discrimination in those areas. But when Sylhetis, perhaps the most represented ‘region’ in politics and civil society, make such comments and ridiculous demands, then one really has to roll their eyes and just move on. Which what I, ideally, should’ve done, if my sylheti comments hadn’t hit so many nerves and generated such responses such as ‘It is also one reason we have little time for Bangladeshi ideologies and institutions.’
Since when are Sylhetis Non-Bangladeshi? What do they want? To be a part of Assam or a country of their own? If the latter, how do they propose to run it from different parts of the world?
Sylheti fua and Ruzi,
My father married a Barishaillah and I’m marrying a Noakhaillah. Half of my sylheti family is married to non-sylhetis. I’m aware of discrimination against Sylhetis and I also know how Sylhetis are hardly ever at the receiving end of it. All the instances, the dialogues, mentioned above are taken from my own life and those of even’pure-blood’ ‘khas’sylhetis around me.
If the issue is about representation in media, then I would request you to lobby the Sylheti business people to open a ’sylheti channel’. BTRC, the regulator, has no issues against regional channels as far as I know. This is NOT a human rights issue.
For a dialect to be recognized as a language, you need to establish rules of grammar, syntax, semantics, phonetics and phonology,morphology and vocabulary, among other linguistic distinctions.Barring vocabulary in certain instances, Bangla (not Dhakaiya as you have both incorrectly mentioned) and Sylheti follow the same rules and patterns.
Re-introducing the Sylheti Nagri script won’t really help in your quest to get Sylheti recognized as a ‘language’. If you think it will, please provide stats on the number of Sylhetis who are fluent in (reading and writing)that script. You might also want to remember that the Assamese speak a dialect very very close to Sylhetis and Nagri is also theirs to claim.Are you ready for that?Plus in Habiganj, the inflections and pronounciations are a little different from Sylhet proper– how are you going to include these guys?If you really want to do something for the Sylheti language, then may be you can standardize the language. Let me know what I can do to help in THAT. If you want to open a Sylheti Academy modeled after Bangla (that by the way is our language, not Dhakaiya) Academy, I’m willing to help. Crying foul over imaginary discrimination only makes Sylheti Communities across the world appear silly.
And to end the point on discrimination, re-read the posts. When you try to separate yourself from the rest of the Bangladeshi population and claim special privileges(not given to any other region) simply because you think your dialect (also spoken in Assam and by the non-muslim residents of Sylhet, Habiganj, Sunamgang, Srimongol, Moulvibazar) and culture (where you think Pohela Boishakh is about celebrating agriculture or claim joint families are unique to Sylhet only)is special– in most civilized societies, esp in the West, where you reside,is considered discrimination.
And FYI Asif bhai, FUA does not hail from Sylhet but his wife does. So do the VCs of the top 4 private universities and the last 3 finance ministers of the country (including the one from Ershad’s cabinet).Sylhetis are there in AL and BNP. They are there in the army, the police, the hospitals, aviation, et al.The largest NGO, BRAC was started by a Sylheti.
As I said earlier, we are the most represented region of Bangladesh in the civil society and in politics. If NRB Sylhetis are still feeling deprived then they have only fellow Sylhetis to blame, not ‘Bengalis’ (nor ‘mud-bloods’ like me).
June 27th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
On a more relevant and serious note,
From Comment #14
“It is foolhardy, for all fellow Indians, to think that burying the Gorkhaland issue - as an ostrich does its head - or using an iron fist, deploying the CRPF or the Indian Army, will somehow solve the issue, is just being naive.”
I think the same applies to Bangladeshis in our attitude to CHT. Aren’t we being naive in thinking that a military solution is the answer to the problems in that region, as opposed to a political one?
June 27th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
For the dhakayas on this forum that think sylhetis should have to speak dhakaya (language is very close to shudho hence known as dhakaya) in order to be treated as equals think on this:
For a day don’t speak dhakaya. Only (struggle) to speak sylheti to your friends and relatives or workmates and to express yourself. Then you will see why few sylhetis don’t like dhakaya language and culture and wont participate in politicised culture like foyla boyshak.
-no personal attack but fariha is only half sylheti and living outside the region so her experiences are unique to say the least. She is culturally dhakaya. And fariha sylheti and dhakya both hate nuakalya people as lowest of the low.
June 27th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Hey fariha, if you really want to keep to your sylheti roots and want to help spread the Sylheti language and culture then please see STAR (Sylheti Translation and Research):
http://www.sylheti.org.uk/
A research team in the UK that wants to preserve for future generations the literature of Sylhet and make it as widely available as possible to the people of Sylhet. They privided me with Sylheti poems. You can read a history of Printed Sylheti as well.
June 27th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
I think following some shows problems that Bangla nationalist expariate organisation will face.
‘For those of us working on coalitions with other South Asians, it is a necessary reality check to hear about the tensions between organisations representing even the smallest districts in Bangladesh. When most people ask me where I’m from, my answer is “Bangladesh.” But many community members will answer “Sylhet,” “Noakhali,” or “Chittagong” to the same question. THE MAN WHO ANSWERS “SYLHET” IS FAR MORE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COMMUNITY than middle class organisers who subscribe to a pan-South Asian politics.,
http://www.thedailystar.net/2004/01/13/d401131502114.htm
June 28th, 2008 at 5:37 am
We all operate with different psycho geographies. Recent national creations fit well for a lot of people here. Global millat without borders suits others better.
For many people of sylatian extraction, perhaps born to people who moved away in the 60s, the greater bangladesh context is less relevant. Recognising that explains a lot of what has been said above. Dhakaiya means something altogether different.
I do wonder if whether the folks who had the chance to impact the sylhet /assam refurendum would have made the same decision(and sacrifice) if they knew what was going to happen decades downstream.
Putting fantasy aside, that sylatians are ‘represented’ in ‘civil society’ and ‘leadership’ in desh isnt the point of hurt here. It has more to do with some of the more laughable bangladeshi ideas and presumptions of status and some of the peculiarities of the ‘freshi’/'londonistani’ and the good old amateur caste system.
Farhad Mazhar had something interesting to say about language ecology. http://www.independent-bangladesh.com/features/language-ecology-and-knowledge-practice.html
June 28th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
In UK also, just as in most nations, there are strong regional dialects - scouse, cockney, Geordie etc. They all add to the richness and flavor of the English civilization.
In Bangladesh too, regional dialects conglomerate the beauty of the language and culture. People should GLORIFY this heritage, and the nation as a whole must actively PROMOTE the existence and rollplay of their diverse cultural charms within society.
There is nothing more glorifyingly deshi than listening to a baul song in Patenga (or in Brick Lane) while tasting syleti shutki!!
With exhibitions, carnivals, melas and events performed JOINTLY TOGETHER, the various communities (pahari, chakma, syleti, noakhali, chatgai etc) can highlight their unique and valuable features - music, dialect, food.
This will gastronomically! add to the DESHI-ZATION of society and growth and HARMONY, by mutual appreciation.
June 28th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
Some interesting comments so far.
To amplify ruzinas comment about non-sylhetis not wanting to marry into our families.
Even if you are a british born neuro-surgeon, originally from Sylhet, then you will be considered illiterate because you don’t write or speak shuddo bangla. But you will be considered well-educated if you can barely string a sentence together from an INTERNATIONAL language like English but you can write shuddo well.
June 29th, 2008 at 4:22 am
Starting with a note of solidarity for the people of North Bengal (given the original point of this thread) - though I don’t think the brief analysis up front is necessarily accurate. Mainly because I would argue that Darjeeling is not in fact such an emotional issue for most “mainstream” or Calcutta Bengalis, and because as #2 Bonbibi points out, the Gorkhas are not demanding a separate country. Though there are strategic implications of a separate North Bengal given the proxy war between India and China in neighbouring Nepal and the improtantce of the “chicken neck” that Darjeeling includes (the narrow strip of land that is the only connection to north-east India) - the point being that the obstacles to separation from West Bengal are probably far greater from the central Indian govt and army than shada-dhoti-wearing Calcutta caste-Hindu intellectuals (who don’t really have any say in the matter at the end of the day). I would guess that the bulk of the individuals in the photo at the thread header are not ethnically Bengali in fact, for instance.
Anyway, the Sylheti discussion seems to have come full circle - with a call for unity among the different groups who happen to live within the same politically controlled land mass (eg pahari, chakma together with other “bengali” groups from #23) so maybe not so much deviating from the original topic (forced assimilation failing, or perhaps assimilation failing because it is forced?). I don’t know how many Paharis/Chakmas would consider themselves to be speaking “dialects” of Bengali, shuddho or otherwise. And once you start down that route, where does a dialect end and where does a new language begin? It’s not a problem unique to our part of the world - the similarities between the officially recognized different langauges of Scandinavia, for instance (eg Swedish, norwegian, danish etc) are perhaps greater than between the Bengali regional “dialects” mentioned above.
In India (but not Bangladesh) I think there will be quite a shakeout of what it means to be defined as (and view onesself as) Bengali (in an ethnic-linguistic sense, not political sense) within the next decade or so, resulting in a much smaller (popualtion wise) Bengali identity. It has already started. In the North, within the area that will probably separate from West Bengal pretty soon (whether knwon as “Gorkhaland” or not), there are already groups that have pretty much rejected the Bengali label (Rajbangshi, Kamtapuri etc) and this mirrors the situation last century when
Santhali, Manipuri, Oriyas and Assamese etc rejected attempts to portray them as “dialect” speakers by the Calcutta Bengalis/British (in the days of “Bongo-Bihar-Urishya”). There’s a similar trend in the west of West Bengal (Puruliya, Medinipur) buoyed by the creation of Jharkhand out of Bihar in the last decade (I remember being struck by all the graffiti on the walls of Puruliya district during a recent visit shouting out “amra bangali noi”, etc - all written in Bengali)
Funnily, the Oriyas and Assamese are now dealing with detractors from within their midst as well seeking their own ethnic/linguistic identities (eg Bodo). And there is a growing movement in the Barak Valley (the Indian Sylhet, currently part of Assam state) to have Sylheti declared a separate language in its own right (though still in infancy).
June 29th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
#25 - “In India (but not Bangladesh) I think there will be quite a shakeout of what it means to be defined as (and view onesself as) Bengali (in an ethnic-linguistic sense, not political sense) within the next decade or so, resulting in a much smaller (popualtion wise) Bengali identity.”
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Many paharis DO speak dialects of Bangla similar to chatgai. Maybe India and Bangladesh should promote MORE inter-linguistic integration, (which is what I suggested in #23), to increase harmony and reduce linguistic crises.
In Bangladesh, its not a question of “Bengali” language identity - but (geographical) Bangladeshi identity. To avoid regional stress, nationalistic integration needs to be promoted in media, public and govt.
Perhaps the main reason why there are SEPARATION syndromes in Assam etc, is because of lack of regional development by central govt, in both India and Bangladesh. India gives more effort to develop Mumbai than Assam, and perhaps BD gives more GOVT PRIORITY to Dhaka than anywhere else. That needs to change - in order to mushroom various cultures with growth.
USA keeps Hawaii happy, retaining Hawaiian culture, by developing it like any other US State. Another reason for de-centralization.
June 30th, 2008 at 8:20 am
#26 “Many paharis DO speak dialects of Bangla similar to chatgai. Maybe India and Bangladesh should promote MORE inter-linguistic integration, (which is what I suggested in #23), to increase harmony and reduce linguistic crises. ”
The point is, it is not for you or I to say who speaks a dialect of Bengali. If a group of people (lets say the Kamtapuris of north West Bengal) collectively decide they do not wish to be considered as Bengali speakers, who are we to stop them?
The point in talking about India and not Bangladesh in my post is that there are different drivers and realities on the ground. “Bengali” identity is very different in India - even for the Kolkata Hindu middle class - as it is a subset of the Indian identity, and not one of the defining elements of the state. When you talk of “nationalistic integration”, I wish you well with the Bangladeshi groups who are neither Muslim nor Bengali-speaking, as I am not quite sure how either of the main nationalisms in Bangladeshi (”Bangali” vs “Bangladeshi”) will incorporate them through “nationalism”.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:53 am
Comment 19 includes the following:
“no personal attack but fariha is only half sylheti and living outside the region so her experiences are unique to say the least. She is culturally dhakaya. And fariha sylheti and dhakya both hate nuakalya people as lowest of the low.”
Besides the fact that there was a personal attack against Fariha, there was also outright hate-speak against Noakhaillas. It appears that Ruzi thinks it’s not ok to discriminate against Sylhetis, but it is ok to be prejudiced against Noakhaillas. And no, Dhakaiya is not close to shuddho. The ignorance runs deep, it seems.
I am going to disengage from this Sylheti-Dhakaiya tangent from now on because the whole argument was contrived to begin with. That some Sylhetis (I believe that most are not this marrow-minded) think that there is a comparison between what they have discussed here and the raping and looting of Bengal’s minorities is a further affront to even more people. No more engaging with hate mongers.
July 2nd, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Udayan, one way - perhaps the only way - is to forget about ‘nationalistic integration’ and construct a citizenship notion of Bangladeshi.
No doubt this is difficult. But conversations in places like this are a good place to start.
July 3rd, 2008 at 12:27 am
Jyoti - ‘nationalistic integration’ and ‘citizenship notion’.
Same difference.
July 3rd, 2008 at 4:59 am
#30
How are ‘nationalistic integration’ and ‘citizenship notion’ the same thing?
nationalistic integration= Hindustan
citizenship notion= USA
July 3rd, 2008 at 5:45 am
Fariha - Nationalistic integration = citizenship notion, not just India - but USA too - big time. In fact USA is the WORLD’s symbol of nationalistic integration. Especially on 4th July!
July 3rd, 2008 at 6:49 am
KGazi, nationalistic ingegration and citizenship notion are not necessarily same things.
The fundamental question here is this: why does Bangladesh exist?
How you answer this is related to how you go about integrating various people into the nation.
Consider these possible answers.
1. Bangladesh is the national homeland of Bengali Muslim nation. All non Bengali Muslims in the territory of Bangladesh should be integrated into the majority nation.
2. Bangladesh is the national homeland of Bengali nation. Therefore, not only should non-Bengalis in Bangladesh be integrated into the Bengali identity, Bengalis outside Bangladesh should also pledge allegiance to Bangladesh.
3. Bangladesh is the national homeland of eastern Bengalis, who are different from western Bengalis, independent of their religion. And non-eastern Bengalis should integrate …..
4. Bangladesh is a product of complex set of historical accidents. Its borders are what Lord Radcliffe left us with. It could easily have fallen somewhere else. But nonetheless, history has given us this territory, and everyone in it is Bangladeshi, so let’s make up a set of national narratives that accommodate everyone.
Each of the above interpretations could be argued legitimately. None of them require a citizenship notion. Three of them will be resisted by some people. All of them can be subject to Udayan’s point in 27.
The last one sounds rather lame (even if it is perhaps the most accurate description of history). Let’s take this last interpretation and see if we can think of citizenship notions around it. Turns out, we can think of at least 3 citizenship notions.
a. Bangladesh was born out of a revolutionary war. The ethos of that war was a classless exploitationless society. We should work towards creating that people’s republic.
b. Bangladesh came into existence because of the conscious decision of people of this territory to create a democratic political order and free economic system. Citizenship notions in Bangladesh should reflect that.
c. Majority of Bangladeshis are Muslims. Islam rejects any kind of nationalism, but provides the foundations for a just state and society, where the rights and responsibilities of everyone - believer and non-beleiver, men and women, rich and poor - to each other and the Almighty are clearly demarcated. Our citizenship notions should be based on this.
You see, there are many possible interpretations of nationalist integration and citizenship notions. I believe that the 4th interpretation of history is correct, and would like to see the 2nd interpretation of citizenship notion in Bangladesh. But who is to say I am right?
July 3rd, 2008 at 9:55 pm
#33 - Jyoti, you have mixed too much Islam and ‘democracy’ in your analysis, but for a secular nation where ‘all men are created equal’, you cannot bring those two into the picture. Separation of church and state.
‘Nationalistic ingegration and citizenship notion’ is the same for regional unity when the SINGLE UNITING FORCE is the flag, and national anthem.
Forget history, religion and governance - and you will have ONE ‘Nationalistic ingegration and citizenship notion’ and salute the FLAG while singing the national anthem, THAT is Bangladesh.
And that is ‘Nationalistic ingegration and citizenship notion’ .
July 4th, 2008 at 12:02 am
Forget history, religion and governance, and salute the flag while singing the national anthem? Sure. Sounds wonderful. Throw in a ’strong leader’ with some title, and it’s regular garden variety fascism.
July 4th, 2008 at 1:03 am
Also known as globalization - unlike Indo-centric casteism.
July 5th, 2008 at 11:03 am
KGazi shaheb, great all-encompassing a;;-inclusive ideology, but how far is the reality of your beloved current regime (or any of the recent governments of Bangladesh) from that dream?
July 10th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Emigrants are welcome if they help to develop a mixed culture. The Dajus are Nepalis, NOT Gorkhas.
And they are threatening to beat up Bengalis and drive them away from the plains once they are in control.
To know all about the Darjeeling problem visit
http://northbengali.wordpress.com/siliguri-must-wake-up-now/
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