Mon 21 Jan 2008
One of the biggest casualties of post 1/11 scenarios is the loss of a space for a healthy dialog without getting labelled. It seems now people are very afraid to take any firm stand on any issue for the fear of being labeled. The civil society in Dhaka has been broken up into multiple brackets. Without packaging people up in multiple labels, it seems not many people are able to be engaged in evidence based criticisms and arguments. Say a good thing about the government, you are automatically branded as army-r dalal. Talk about due process for political leaders, you are branded as someone who wants to go back to pre 1-11 days. Say that religion based politics should not be banned for the sake of democracy, and you are branded as a rajakar/jamati. We talk about partisan politics ruining our country but look at the people in the chattering class. Are they engaged in anything different? Sad thing is that some of the people who are making such statements are very much capable in bringing up the nuances in the debates. Then why are they not doing that?
In today’s Bangladesh, the louder you are in your rhetoric, there are more chances that you will be heard. You will be sought after by the talkshows and you will be noticed. In short, it pays to be rhetorical than analytical. But what to do as an audience and how do we judge people’s stand? My advice is take a look at the track record and also how evidence based they are in their criticisms or adulations. The people who are doing the talking, take a look at their past history for consistency. Folks and organizations who are calling Sultana Kamal compromised need to dig down and find out her track record and find out even in today’s Bangladesh what her organization ASK is doing for HR abuse victims. Can we fault her or other human rights activists for that matter for not being vocal about alleged torture on tareq zia when they have been vocal about the larger issue police brutality for years and no one noticed. Suddenly people are noticing now because the victims of such abuse are the politicl leaders, the very same people who reaped the benefit when the same black system worked in their faour. Some of the people who are now victims of humaÄn rights abuse regulalrly termed us anti national for raising the same issues that they are raising through lobbyists today. Does it make a police torture more of a crime when it is perpetrated against a Tareq rahman rather than a din mojur shona mia? Of course not. But defending shona mias cry won’t get you headines. But dare you not come out with a statement in defending tareq rahmans rights, you risk to be branded as someone soft on army. On the contrary, check some of the people’s track record of those who are perceived as most vocal against HR abuse today. Some of them perhaps are genuine but some of them have actively and passively aided past governments when they were in the business of violating human rights. Take a bit of grain of salt the next time you see these people in talk shows. I almost choked when I found a former deputy attorney general of the BNP-Jamat government who actively participated in various cases of HR abuse defending the government talk about travesty of justice in arresting people without warrants. The message is good and the right one but you have to question the messengers track record,
Where was this morality was when similar violation was going on ahead of every big government protest in the past 5 years. Why was he defending the government and not resign like his boss Hasan Arif did? Then there are the Shahriar Kabirs who could never reconcile his role as a human rights activist who campaigned for jainal hajaris election campaign. You would not hear this now because if you do, very likely you will be branded as an army apologists if you say this. This is not intended as a finger pointing exercise but an example of people needing to be aware not just about the message but who the message is coming from.
This is also an example of how difficult the space has become for people who wanted genuine changes in the system for the past n number of years.
Labeling is easy. But what is difficult is to step back and take a longer term view of things. Just because I am criticizing the government now does not mean, I am a big admirer of what happened in the past regimes. Similarly just because I admire some of the changes in the administration post 1/11 does not mean that I am a propagandist for the military backed government. Election as early as possible is a must but let’s face it these systemic issues will not go away as soon as an elected government comes to power. Too often we are too happy in burying imprtant conversations under labels and short term solutions. I hope we don’t make the same mistake now. I can only pray and hope that some people who are in a position to have an honest debate are not disingenuous in their arguments.
January 21st, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Great commentary Asif. I would also like to hear more about your observations during the recent visit.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Label me
- I don’t support ban on religious politics. Any ban on freedom of choice is against basic principles of democracy. I do, however, support trial of war criminals. Label me.
- I support students’ right to participate in politics and faculty members’ right to be part of union/political parties. However, I don’t support faculties when they use their political lineage to receive tenure/perks. I don’t support student leaders when they use their power irresponsibly. I am in favour of changing the culture of politics not banning politics itself. Label me.
- I will go back to pre 1/11 because I don’t think current regime is anything better than 1/11 circumstances. What we have today is nothing but negative peace. It would eventually end. Then what? Label me.
- I think current government is utter failure. They have no exit strategy and heading towards uncertainty. What this country will achieve if current regime forcefully disqualifies Hasina and Khaleda? They will still hold power. Sonia Gandhi is the driver…who does not know that? Label me.
- I believe the sole responsibility of current situation must be shared between two major political wings of our country. These two political groups allowed army to take over in pseudo name. And if politicians want to avert this situation they have to go through thousand of miles. And I am sure; they will be able to cross the rutted road. Meantime, I hope they take a lesson. I support politicians over military… I like known bad guys than unknown witch hunters. Label me.
- I believe no matter how cruel you are, you have the right of justice and hence, I support human rights of Tarek Zia and all other politicians like him. But I will not drop a tear for their fortune. They called for it. Label me.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:37 pm
manic-depressive-democratonic-anarcho-jamati-skewed-tree-hugger
January 21st, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Manic- possibly.
Depressive- not really.
Democratonic- is that even a word? Fill me in.
Anarchic- what is lawful about supporting current regime? If military dictatorships could have produced long lasting peace then world would have been a different place.
Jamati:- Wow… I never thought anyone would call me a jamati. Oh well, people have their own ways to interpret. Even an agnostic can be Jamati! And how dissecting Bangladeshi politics in two halves (mid right to right and mid left to left) is sign of being Jamati?
Skewed- I will definitely not use that word to describe anyone. Very fuzzy and doesn’t tell much.
Tree-hugger- You are hundred percent right about that. I support green theory to certain extent. But I am not sure how you find that out.
NB:- Apparently people don’t understand sarcasm. When I said label me, I tried to identify the problem of labelling. I never thought anyone would actually attempt to label me and admin will publish it. Oh well, I was never a good writer. However, it served its purpose fantastically well. I am out of this blog. There is no point in writing in a blog where people turned their argument into personal fight. There is no point spending time in a hope to hear unheard voices, when in reality I can hear these voices in any meaningless conversation.
January 21st, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Re: #2 and #3 — in other words, Really Confused, aka an Average Bangladeshi!
Seriously, one cannot blame you. Most of us are in the same boat… judging by the blogs and responses here in UV.
But judging by the glut of talk shows on Dhaka TV channels, I’d argue that the space for debate — healthy or just full of empty calories — has actually exploded. Not that it makes any difference, because by definition this self-proclaimed Govt does not have to listen to anyone.
Yes, labeling is easy, but so is blogging. If you really want to “bring about change,” go and start working at the ground level, as Asif S. himself suggested in an earlier blog.
Especially the NRBs (non-respite blabberers) — yes, I know what my cyber-id is, Thank You! — if you really think you have all the solutions, or even just a few good ones, please consider running for office in the next election. As for me, I don’t seem to have any… at least nothing that any real or hypothetical constituency will care to support.
January 21st, 2008 at 9:38 pm
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January 21st, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Well said, Arif. I hereby declare you a shoirachar stabok moulobadi je athashe october-e fire giye rastai manush pitiye hotta korte chai.
NRB bhai,
ground-e kaj korchina bole ki kichu bolte parbo na.
Being an NRB myself, I can’t suggest that people need to go to the ground and work there. I think what I said that it is impossible to know the pulse of the country by being outside reading online newspapers of Bangladesh.
Shahed bhai,
Will definitely post in more stuff from a regular basis on the trip itself. Let me touch base with you in FB.
January 21st, 2008 at 10:14 pm
Asif S: You got me wrong. I know you’re very much “on the ground,” although in a different sense perhaps. But you’re are also absolutely right on “knowing the pulse of the country…”
In any case, my finger-pointing at “easy blogging” excludes the likes of Mash or Zafar Sobhan, who are also very much “on the ground” in their own respective ways (and are not bloggers in the usual sense; you probably realized that, but I wanted to clarify that here anyway).
January 21st, 2008 at 11:37 pm
RE: comment #2,
I am all for freedom of religious practice, whatever faith that may be.
But I have a problem, if a particular group, that is formed on the platform of strict faith based mandates and not in tune with the basic rights confirmed by the supreme law (the constitution) of the republic (of Bd) runs for political office and acquire seats in the parliament.
The faith based political groups (of Bd) have been known to issue fatwas that are in stark contradiction of our nationalistic feelings that calls for assimilation of people of all faiths and ethnicity. It is alarming that these people with extreme views would be part of the legislative body of the republic and abuse their power (in the name of establishing the rules of one particular doctrine – shariah – which is controversial on its own rights).
There is nothing wrong in having faith based groups (or cults, as most of them operate), and allowing them all the rights to congregate and preach the virtues, even make them eligible for government funding – as long as their activities are not disruptive to law and order of the nation, and not become a tool for harassing the daily life of public.
IMO, a political party with biased religious platforms should not be allowed to run for parliamentary election, but rather be part of some especial mission in the ministry of religion.
Oh, and I concur with your other standings.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:04 am
Labelling is easy, and that’s why they are thrown out left-right-and-centre - see the American presidential race for example. In the old days too we had labels: jatiyotabad and Islami mullobodh vs Muktijuddher chetona and secularism, or a much cruder verison like razakar vs Bharoter dalal. Labelling itself is not the problem. Neither is the shouting match. In an open market for ideas, some people will buy the labels and screamers, but others will discuss nuances and practicable solutions. This last bits are now missing.
They were not always missing. They had a big presence in the first few months after the coup, not to mention during the AL-BNP rule. What happened in the first few months?
In my mis-spent youth, I had the chance to witness something similarly depressing. In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, there was a flourishing of critical self-examination among the diaspora pan-Islamic opinionmakers. Books were being written, seminars were being organised, internt discussion forums (blogs were not around then) were abuzz, mosques held debates and discussions. Clearly something was amiss in the heart of Islam, this was recognised. Clearly we needed to fix whatever the mallady was, and we debated about the diagnosis and cure.
Then came Iraq. The drumbeats of war silenced everything else. You talk about rights and liberties of the west, open your eyes man, don’t you see it’s all rubbish - any vice of moderation and modernity met some variation of this.
Much like the way Iraq has set back the cause of moderation and modernity among the Muslim world (or at least the diaspora bit that I can speak of with experience), the cause of political reform has been set back by the regime’s exit/entry strategy.
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Arif, don’t feel too lonely. I’ve been accused of being both an Indian agent and a Jamaati in online and real life. Maybe we should start a party or something.:)
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Zafa, I agree with you about the intentions of religion-based parties being fundamentally anti-liberal. But banning them is not the solution. The solution is to incorporate the moderates into the political mainstream and marginalise the extremes through open politics. As soon as you ban some political group, they immediately acquire a victim status that they don’t really deserve.
More broadly, it is very dangerous to argue that something is inconcsistent with mainstream views and therefore should be beanned. That path, if we take it, leads straight to tyranny.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:37 am
Jyoti (#10),
I disagree with your points. It’s not that the religion based parties are not liberal (meaning they are conservative). These partys’ mandates are oppressive towards women, Hindus, Ahmadis etc. We have a law in the country that calls due process of law if someone is accused of a crime. However, these parties allow some clerics to issue fatwa based on their “interpretation” of religious doctrines, disregarding the civil liberties and criminal laws.
You said “The solution is to incorporate the moderates into the political mainstream and marginalise the extremes through open politics”.
Who are these so called “moderates” within the Islamic parties (no need to call them religion based parties since there are only Islamic political parties)? The religious and political leaders that are at the helms of their respective parties are the ones who demanded that cartoonist Arifur be sent to jail and made PA editor Matiur Rahman make public apology to the Khatibs. Some of these leaders were against the very birth of Bd and actively participated in onslaught during 1971 genocide.
The communist party is unconventional, and not in tune with mainstream, but I have no problem having them contest in the election. These “Islamic” parties should be banned because their mandates totally contradict the civil rights and liberties as guaranteed by the constitution. There really is not much wiggle room there. Over the last 30 years the extremists only grew stronger in power and abused their power. If these trends are not prevented, then that would lead to dangerous times.
Look what’s been happening in Pakistan.
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:27 am
Has there really been a loss of space for healthy debates? I get mine from dinner parties and online bouts. Both seem to be alive and kicking and as viciously intense and partisan as ever.
I think for all the high-decibel screaming and posturing, good ideas are surprisingly scarce on the ground. And everyone is looking for one.
I fully support knowing what a person has said before to judge what he is saying now. But I have a another group in mind, our ten present and five past advisors. Wouldn’t it be fun to read some of Barrister Moinul Hossein’s speeches as he was campaigning for the Bar elections and compare them with his comments in the past one year?
You do have a point about how HR organizations were treated between 2001 and 2006. Personally speaking, I’ve made 2007 my litmus test. Any person or organization who dared to speak out for HR in Bangladesh in 2007 has deserved the right to be heard and taken seriously, now and in the future, no matter what the circumstances may be.
January 22nd, 2008 at 6:00 am
Zafa, so you think communist party is unconventional but have no problem with them operating. What if someone else says communist party is unconventional so let’s ban it. You might be okay with unconventional commies, but others might not be. Yet others might say, revisiting Mujib-Zia food fight disturbs peace and is against the mainstream views taught in our school, so any attempt by bloggers like Mash to look at the evidence should be banned. You see, it’s a very slippery slope.
I understand where you are coming from with the Islamist programmes that oppress women or ethnic-religious minorities. But surely it is oppression of women / ethnic-religious minorities that is the issue, not Islamist politics per se.
So by all means, let’s ensure that fatwas that contradict rights enshrined in the constitution are eliminated from the society. By all means, let’s ensure that anti-liberal (which is not the same thing as conservative) laws such as the Enemy/Vested Property Act is repelled. By all means let’s ensure that Cholesh Ritchil’s murderers are brought to justice. But banning Islamist politics is not going to achieve any of these things.
Let’s think about the Arif case as an example. Suppose Islamist parties were banned from participating in any elections. Do you think this by itself would have stopped zealots from demanding the shut down of PA? Hiazbul Tahrir, the most vocal organisation, are not even in electoral politics. And in any case, Mr Matiur Rahman’s abdication of responsibility towards secular ethos and his employee in the face of threats of violence had little to do with whether Islamists can run for election or not. That Arif’s cause was not defended more vocally shows intellectual weakness of our secular opinionmakers. How is banning Islamist politics going to solve that?
And what does ‘banning religion-based politics’ mean actually? What practicable action are we talking about?
And why mention Pakistan when we discuss running for election? We know that Pakistani democracy died long time ago. Look at India if you want a better picture of electoral democracy that is struggling to cope with religion-based politics. I don’t hear anyone demanding to ban Hindutva politics because Narendra Modi is a merchant of death.
My friend, politics needs to be met with politics. Ideas need to be fought with ideas. Banning ideas is never the solution.
January 22nd, 2008 at 6:44 am
Jyoti (#13), my immediate response is to ask you to read my comment in #11 again.
Being unconventional is not the same as having unacceptable mandates that are oppressive to humans and the basic human rights. I would ask for banning communist party or any other party for that matter, if their officers openly ask for persecution of a certain sect (such as Ahmedis).
I would agree however that it would not be very easy to ban parties with extreme religious views. After all, they had been rehabilitated by both dictators and elected leaders that came to power in Bd. Some parties even acquired a couple of seats in the Parliament during 15 years of democracy.
But ideally, and this may be my wishful thinking, I would ask for banning them.
Pakistan should definitely be considered in the political context because if the extremists are not “checked” and allowed to flourish in Bd, the same fate could stumble on us.
January 22nd, 2008 at 7:06 am
Zafa,
Again, when you take up the role of being the interpreter, then you are making room for others to interprete as well. On the first comment, you have put a judgment on ALL religion based parties but on the next one you reduced the scope to extreme religious parties.
Anyway, my point was trying to ban religion based party is counter productive to democracy. Let the people decide who they should accept or reject.
Tacit,
I tried to highlight on the fragmentation of the civil society. To a certain extent it was always there but now there is a vicious undercurrent and a kind of smearing that wasn’t there before. Regarding 2007 being a litmus test — certainly people who are speaking out deserve our kudos. But there are organizations who are working quietly as well. I’d add consistency as a litmus test as well. The people who are speaking out now must continue to speak out even after an elected government takes over and also ask for commitments from party heads that they would abolish all the black laws in our country. The culture of impunity for the powerful that we are seeing now is in effect continuation of what has been going on in their era as well. So, unless the real slim shady stands up and stops this cycle of violence, nothing will change after election.
January 22nd, 2008 at 7:43 am
Asif (#15),
I am not sure what you meant by “take up the role of being the interpreter”.
I wasn’t even addressing the material of your post to begin with, I was responding particularly to comment #2, unless you posted the comment under the alias “Arif”.
You have your views and I have mine. I stand by my feeling about religion based political parties in Bd. All of them harbor extreme views that are harmful to democratic process and abuse people’s sentiment on faith.
January 22nd, 2008 at 7:59 am
Zafa,
Let’s take it from the basics. If Islamists put forward an argument - however reprehensible that argument is - the best way to counter that argument is to put forward a valid counter-argument. Let the Islamists make the claim that their Shariah is better than mere man-made laws. Then we should counter it with the argument that Shariah is no less man-made than secular laws - Shariah was written down during the Abbasid khilafat, 2 centuries after the Prophet’s death.
Now consider the loops in your own position. You are okay with Islamist organisations working in some public sphere: part of some especial mission in the ministry of religion. So the fatwameisters would be taken out of public glare and put in a bureaucratic maze. How is that beneficial for democracy or secularism?
And in the meantime, those people who were attracted to the Islamist ideas to begin with, where are they going to go? Presumably they’ll form underground groups. The result will be more political violence, not less. And how will we counter that? Remember Islamist politics is banned. So we can’t argue with them. Presumably we would have some sort of crack down. Who would we crack down on? The guy who wears pants above his ankles? The girl who wears a hijab?
Do you seriously think this is the way to promote secularism in Bangladesh (or anywhere in the world)? Seriously?
You have your views of course, but please do think through the ramifications of those views.
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:01 am
zafa,
when we post a comment in a blog, it is a given that “You have your views and I have mine”.
I was commenting about number 11 and no I wasn’t commenting under any alias.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Jyoti , Are you not mixing up religion and Politics? If you are speaking about the democracy with a strong GDP you have to have a progressive economical policy. If you want to develop filed of Technology, finance , law and order you should have a policy where you can go to the next level .
Here all of us speaking about the democracy where the base should be secularism. Here
we don’t want to label any one Islamist or some thing but It is quite wrong if you use
religion to take political advatage.
This is a wrong concept or Policy.
Our problem is that we don’t know how to do the practice of democracy. Lots of parameters are involved in here. Progressive economy, proper regulatory policy should be the parameters. Do you think we can go to the next level implementation of religion. you can have an open dialog with them. But you do have instance of middle east, Afghanistan in front of you. If we open the dialog with Some religion based party, War criminals and all basically we are just going behind and wasting time.
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:02 pm
arif, i am labeller #3. allow me humour too, didnt mean you grief, i thought you’d get it.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Zafa,
I understand your fear. However, banning religious politics is not the solution. Please recall Iranian revolution or Afghan crisis. If leadership progresses way faster than the society, it causes social fear. People will not relate to leaders and join the revolution. If you ban religious politics in a state where secularism is very weak and often compared with heresy, it would backfire.
My fear: if we ban religious politics, they will be more popular than ever. Even the mainstream religious groups will turn into underground Islamic terrorist bloc and will pose an imminent threat to our security. I am waiting for an excellent anti-dote for my fear.
Jyoti,
Thanks. I want to be the president and reserve it for my first child.
Asif bhai,
It was funny. Hahaha funny. Ami to chair thekey porei gelam.
Fugstar,
If I only knew…. you did not cause me grief. You made me think. And seriously, how you know that I am a tree hugger?
NB: I was trying to read people’s magazine up side down (i tried reading it straight, never found it interesting).And I realized that there is no point to quit. If the most bogus reading makes millions then I should not stop writing as well.
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:56 pm
#11
“These partys’ mandates are oppressive towards women, Hindus, Ahmadis etc.”
That’s because religion itself is oppressive towards women and people of other faith. How can a religion that was created in ancient time and that has no room for change fit into today’s world? Should you ask for banning the religion then? You may say their interpretation of religion is wrong. They will claim your interpretation is wrong. Who will win the blame game???!!!
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:24 pm
#22
Very saddening to read that comment, but hardly suprising.
#21
Its quite predictable, it sounds nice and topical. when the rest of the pills have been taken, why not this one too!
January 23rd, 2008 at 10:23 am
Tacit, we are under de facto martial law. So 2007 is too onerous a litmus test. For many, working behind the scene and affecting things might be more preferable than courting martyrdom in defiance. AsifS is right in that consistency is a better litmus test. Let’s not be under any illusion that when politicians return, things will improve overnight. People who raised their voice, or acted otherwise, when Tipu Sultan, Purnima, Cholesh Ritchil were hurt will also raise their voice or act otherwise when AL-BNP hurt someone in 2010.
2007 does, perhaps, provide another litmus test. If one knows that the regime is involved in torture (or other HR violations), but they rationalise it because of some ‘greater good’, or worse, they cheer it on - those who you do these, they really don’t have any credibility as far as HR goes.
January 23rd, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Jyoti bhai, AsifS, I think I understand what you’re saying. I like the point about people rationalizing the activities of this government under any pretext; that is why all-weather domestic HR organizations and activists are so important.
January 24th, 2008 at 3:43 am
Aruf (21), fine you can keep the presidency for your first born. Just be aware that I’ll be the Secretary General and bring in party ‘reforms’ at the appropriate time.:)
January 24th, 2008 at 4:32 am
# 26,
oh no…
Following is a good article.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4400208.stm
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