Thu 8 Nov 2007

The road to democracy is in a mess just like the picture above from today’s Daily Star.
Before we get into it, like Shadakalo, let me first acknowledge that I am no fan of the current BNP and the legacy of Khaleda Zia. Neither do I wish to get back to the era of of Tareq Rahman and his gang. Also I believe the folks at the helm are well intentioned people who want to make a change. Having said that someone please tell me how do we get out of this mess that is currently being created in the name of “functional democracy”. The process they are going about making democracy happen through command politics is not only wrong but also is creating far longer term potential danger of unstability in our country. To most of the people who are paying cursory glance to what’s going on centering the BNP break up in Bangladesh lately, you are making mistake if you think this is unimportant. What is being done to BNP is going to be defining the rest of the term for this caretaker government. Make no mistake about it. They are fooling no one.
Here is what we are hearing in the daily speeches — all wonderful things undoubtedly.
“We want the honest candidates to come to power”
“We want the judiciary to be free from any interference”
“We want the election commission to be independent”
“We want the cycle of corruption to end”
All good things. There is hardly anything that you can question in the above statements. Talk to Dr. Yunus. He will have you believe that this is what is happening in the country. Look at the newspapers, it will seem like that is what is happening. But in reality what is happening? Have your read the Tagore poem about a learned man bragging about his knowledge to a boatman. No? Here is how it goes. A pundit gets on a boat and seeing the wonders of nature asks the boatman, “Majhi, have you studied philosophy?”. The illiterate majhi (boatman) stares at him blankly. Pandit says quarter of your life is a waste then (tomar jiboner char anai britha). He asks then if the majhi has traveled abroad. The poor majhi never got out of his village. “Alas!! One more quarter of your life is a waste then, majhi”, the pundit repeats. Do you know any science, he asks? Seeing majhi shaking his head, panditbabu says there goes another quarter of your life to waste. At this time, a violent storm approaches and the boat is about to sink. The majhi asks the terrified pundit, “Do you know how to swim?” The pundit replies in the negative and starts crying and the majhi says “Babu, then all four quarters of your life is a waste. (”Apnar jiboner sholo anai britha”). Pardon my miserable attempt at the translation. But the reality in Bangladesh is very similar to this where all the talks of institution building and “functional democracy” are wastes when the institutions are getting violated repeatedly.
We will take a look at three pillars of democracy in today’s Bangladesh on a sample case of what happened within BNP this week. First casuality of last few month’s proactive “election preparation” is the media. The media is being blatantly used by this regime to fulfill its need. News was planted on all the major newspapers to show horrible the Khondokar Delwar Hossain and his family is and how the reformist faction of the party is going to get the blessings of the party head Khaleda. When Delawar’s son got arrested purely to put pressure on him to quit the post of sec-gen, the media stays mum about it and instead points to what a big Godfather he was to justify the arrest. The loser ? Independent Media, of course, which is considered the biggest institution to put a check to the unlimited power of the government.
At least we have an independent election commission, you say. Really?
On Oct 29th, after the secret meeting attended by BNP standing committee members escorted by special intelligence men at Saifur Rahman’s house manages to pull a coup to usurp the BNP leadership, it gets the nod of the election commission to hold the torch of dhaner sheesh . The election commissioner flip flops and eventually does not even put up much of a fight with the journalists to show that he was acting independently. “Sue us”, he says! Casualty? The independent election commission. Election commission acted as per the wishes of the people who plotted the coup in BNP and let all of us down.
This morning Lt Gen (Rtd) Mahbub, one of the coup plotters inside BNP, gets manhandled by the angry grassroot workers of BNP. In return, the leader of the mainstream BNP Hannan Shah gets arrested under special power rule. Forget the fact that Hannan Shah already accused in various “extortion” charges was on bail. Victim? The independent judiciary. A government giving lip service to rule of law is flouting laws of the land repeatedly promising “functional democracy”. How is that possible?
THis one example is enough to show you how “sholo ana britha” our reform and regeneration that has been promised to us in the last 10 months.
So what is it REALLY about? It is about ensuring a safe exit strategy for the current power brokers and it is about establishing a permanent and lasting influence over Bangladesh’s politics. You don’t have to believe me. Just ask yourself why 5 newspapers simultaneously today are running a two week old interview of Gen Moeen with a NY based paper where he calls for a constitutional amendment by the next elected government to institutionalize army’s current rule role.
At a recent cha session with the shopkeepers at a local deshi store, one of the eloquent ones in his sylheti dialect tells me, “You know bhai, these people who are running the country — they are very smart people. They will not go without making sure that the people they like come to power in the next election.” If this simple shop keeper can understand that, then how are the elites thinking that there is still chance of a meaningful election in Bangladesh?
How are they still thinking independent institution building is possible by those who disregard them at will?
Someone start thinking about an exit strategy for the these civil people, please.
As the gloves and facade come off the current regime this week, the future direction of our country will be determined significantly by the happening in the country where independent judiciary was also promised and when the verdicts in the courts were not to the liking of the general, the supreme court judges got thrown into house arrest. The trouble with democracy and a pluralistic society is that there is always a Noor Hossain who foils the perfect plan. There is always a Khondokar Delwar who comes out of nowhere to take the moral authority and there is always someone like chief justice chaudhri who spoils the party. The sooner they realize it ( before every single institution is broken into pieces again) , the better it is for the whole country. The sooner they stop underestimating the people of Bangladesh, the better it is for all of us. Meanwhile spare a thought for the civilian chief adviser Fakhruddin who seems quiet bored at not having much of a role to play in the power game. Perhaps, one day he will realize how he wasted the leverage he could have had on the power brokers, if he actually showed a bit of spine. To our readers, next time you hear the speeches from our current “leaders”, take it with a grain of salt. Here is a bit of a pointer.
“We want the honest candidates to come to power” [ We want the candidates we like ]
“We want the judiciary to be free from any interference” [ interference from anyone but us]
“We want the election commission to be independent” [ and mindful to our advice]
November 8th, 2007 at 2:23 am
Dear Asif S.
Under the caption “It’s a Mess” and chaos caused by factions of the BNP with manhandling their own men, you conveniently proceed to use the incident to critiicize the current regime.
To the three points you raise:
We want the honest candidates to come to power” [ We want the candidates we like ]
After 1/11, the relatively honest persons within both BNP and AL have taken an active role within the parties and are being listeneded to by the autocratic Khaleda and Hasina and their cronies.
“We want the judiciary to be free from any interference” [ interference from anyone but us]
The current regime has finally completed all the necessary steps to sepearte the judiciary from the executive after long dilly dallying for many years.
“We want the election commission to be independent” [ and mindful to our advices]
The current EC is a vast improvement to Aziz and gong who were determined to bring BNP to power and hold a one party election.
In all three cases, dramatic improvements have been made. These instutions will now need the support and nurturing by future governments to gain full independence.
Many commentators here, will never admit the progress that has been made in the last couple of months.
One of the major achievement of the current regime is that criminals and government employees are now having a second a thought before engaging in corruption.
You may be inclined to see the glass as half empty but I and many others see it as half full.
November 8th, 2007 at 2:40 am
Interesting Analogy.
November 8th, 2007 at 2:41 am
I find the attempt, amongst the anti-govt. circles, to project the pro-Khaleda BNP men as the fighters for democracy, simply unacceptable as the anti-Khaleda and pro-Khaleda forces of the BNP are just two sides of the same coin, as both participated in the looting of the country, and neither of them took stand against the undemocratic steps of the last BNP-Jamaat regime. In fact, both the pro-‘reformist’ and anti-‘reformist’ leaders of both AL and BNP are two sides of the same coin, as exhibited while they were in power. I believe it is in the best interest of the country that the present military rulers should show no bias to any of the sides, and deal with them impartially.
November 8th, 2007 at 3:40 am
Thanks ASif, superb posting.
For many reasons, though Khaleda Zia doesn’t have any good academic certificates, i respect her as a leader. At least, she said something that I find quotable as,” Pagol Aar Shishu Chaara Kau Nirapeekha Noy.”
As we obeserve our politics we see it every day. Even Asif, Rumi, Jyoti and so on can’t claim that they are totally neutral as sometimes pretend to be. Candidly, I have such but that support should have rational limit. Country first and people first and then the party we affiliated with. Our politicians say it and don’t do it.
Despite my support to a party, I sometimes hoped and expected the military-backed CTG would be able to fix our political problem and show the nation a new direction for better pro-people politics free of corruption, money-and-muscle-dynasty control.
Our people are pretty much gullible. After our independence late Sheik Mujib wanted 3 years, not to bother him but after 3 years they were totally dissapointed.
Now, this CTG begged 2 years and people were patient. They supported them with the biggest hope that they will offer something that past governments in 36 years shamefully failed to.
But by now, we have seen all the wickets are falling. I agree with Asif, CTG is almost Shola-Anai Berthay. People are no longer keeping trust on them.
Thanks.
November 8th, 2007 at 3:50 am
And we at Bangladesh Corporate Blogs see the glass as always full, half with water and half with air ofcourse. The glass has always been full, it is upto us how we perceive it and work on it. With due respect to political critics and activists, I think its high time business corporates rise above corruption and fuel the growth of economy, which the politicians have failed to do so far.
November 8th, 2007 at 4:03 am
re #1
1. What is your scale of honesty? On what standard you are claiming those morally dishonest turncoats are relatively honest? In your honesty scale how much did Maj Hafiz score and how much Rizvi Ahmed?
2. Yes they claim they freed judiciary. And under a free judiciary, people are being held without justice or even charges for nearly an year in the name of state of emergency.
3. What dramatic improvement you see in EC? I see dramatic downfall. At least previous ECs were not thieves. The new EC Shakhawat Hossain has been reported to be a convict of stealing relief material. Only dramatic improvement in CEC I see is in the hairstyle.
4. And what about the free media?
November 8th, 2007 at 4:29 am
The difference now is that the nation is travelling on the RIGHT track and going in the RIGHT direction.
The destination is FAR MORE achievable and far closer now than it was before 1/11 - when the nation was going in the WRONG direction, travelling on the WRONG track.
It looks messy today, and it looked messy last year, but the DIRECTION of travel today, is spot-on the right course!
November 8th, 2007 at 5:46 am
RE: # 6
Mr. Badal the judiciary only became independent only few days ago on Nov 1st. My point was that at least the process has been completed under the current regime. You should give the current rulers credit. This was the first hurdle which needed to be overcome.
It will be many months before we can truly evaluate the independence of the judiciary unless the process is hijacked by our future “democratic” rulers.
Also regarding your comment about scale of honesty - in AL Motia Chowdhry, Abdur Rajjak, Suranjeet, Zillur Rahman are generally perceived to be less corrupt. Dr. Iqbal, Nasim, Joynal Hazari are generally regarded as dishonest.
Within BNP - Tarique Zia, Khaleda, Babar, Falu are champion corrupts. Khaleda herself appointed Delware Hossain and Hannan Shah to top party posts before her arrest, as they are regarded as less corrupt.
This ofcourse is public perception.
Some of the arrested people have challenged their detention in high court and received bail but the supreme court has stayed these orders. So the detentions are not illegal - according to the law of the land.
November 8th, 2007 at 7:21 am
Bitterboy, I do not pretend or claim to be neutral. I’m for liberal society, democratic politics and economic development. This means sometimes supporting a particular party and at other times opposing it. When it comes to the current regime, I think it’s not helping economic development despite possibly good intentions, its politics is very much undemocratic, and its commitment to a liberal society is questionable.
November 8th, 2007 at 11:40 am
Without being hopeful about the current CTG is there any alternative solution we have at this moment?
November 8th, 2007 at 12:29 pm
MRA,
There is one. I will put that out today tomorrow. The only way you can be hopeful about the CTG is if there is a change in approach and the only way I see it happening is if the civilians in the government assert themselves and at the same time the mainstream political parties are brought into the process. Rather than the attitude of we need to nirmul them, we need an attitude that we need to work with them. In the current way, things are heading towards election boycot, allegation of improper practice which will eventually lead to street protest, brutal repression and pretty much the same stuff that has been happening in 2006.
In an ideal world, you may want to do away with the two leaders and AL and BNP for their failure But in the reality based world that is only possible by brutal repression which can only bring in more unstability which we can not afford. Add to that the social unrest that will be caused by the current double digit inflation rate that is almost unthinkable in a country like Bangladesh. One of the main reason AL’s street protest did not get much momentum to the level of the nineties because there were lots of ways to show dissent. Newspaper, parliament, street protest, Electronic media all were there. Now with any venue of dissent completely shut off, if/when dissent breaks out, it will be very violent and anarchy will spread everywhere. That’s what worries me the most.
Jainal,
no level of independence of judiciary is going to change anything if a group decides to be the judge, jury and the executioner. If there is no respect for the institution and rules are constantly bent to suit the need of the hour, we will be left with weak institutes that will subservient to a particular group in the country. That’s what I tried to highlight through one example. Even if I assume the end goal is noble, the end does not justify the means. As far as if we are better off or not from last year, that’s very very hard to tell. We have done a trade off. We have handed over our liberty to these people to make long term changes that were going to put the country on the right track. But I don’t see it happening. There may have been very very short term relief but most of these changes will disappear faster than you can say reform as they are neither systemic nor meaningful. We will then stare at the sight of Falu / Tareq making a heroic comeback just like Benazir has.
People now seem to have completely forgotten the corruption, injustice and the unjust way she had her brother killed.
November 8th, 2007 at 2:00 pm
The following piece published today holds particular significance on how things will shape up in bd if we don’t change the way things are done now.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/25ae6d70-8d56-11dc-a398-0000779fd2ac.html
November 8th, 2007 at 2:59 pm
Joynal
Recent releases are clear example how much embedded the judiciary is with the government.
This do-gooder governmnet arrested all the corrupt businessmen ( In public perception as you say) in their so called attempt to cleanse the country of corruption. We were shown horrible footages of rotten flour, adulterated food in Abu Khair Litu’s godowns. We also heard the news reports on all the sensational confessions of Abdul Awal Mintoo.
Now as the government has miserably failed in commerce sector, food prices are jumping up every moment, the corruption polices of this government is going back to those corrupt businessmen begging for help.
Both Mintoo and Litu got released in last two days. They only got bail as government decided to seek their cooperation.
It has nothing to do with a free judiciary. Rather the contrary. It again shows how judiciary works as another law enforcement and political wing of the government.
Almost all those leaders now in jail got bail by highcourt at some point. How many of them got released? Government either shown them arrested in another case or lodged a new case or appealed to supreme court where the president wannabe chief justice have thrown away a dozen very vital cases together in one sentence judgement.
Additionally they have them arrested under state of emergency like the recent arrest of Brig Hannan Shah.
And you are boasting this government has freed the judiciary?
By the way, who says Rajjak, Suranjit, Delwar, Hannan are less corrupt? Look at Prothom Alo now a days. You will see Delwar and Hannan have suddenly become most currupt now. We live in a society, the corruption perception scale moves up and down depending on what side of my current political affiliation one is on.
November 8th, 2007 at 4:05 pm
Swwweeett nectar
As a deprived engineering student, it gives me sick pleasure to think that as long as the political breakup continues, the offsprings of these leaders would face nominal financial difficulties in their IVY LEAGUE courses. Once again, I’m gonna save the same thing “Serves them right”. I’m ready for a change in leadership, if that makes us graduate faster then so be it. If in the near future the de facto rulers in the dark indeed become irritating, us Bangladeshis shall postulate another popular revolt…who says there are no reversible thermodynamic processes? Sadi Carnot must’ve been quite a French-fool himself…he should’ve been born in BD.
November 8th, 2007 at 4:56 pm
The very fundamental premise of ‘military is better than other segments of the society and God has empowered them to rule us’ is wrong! From past experiences I am convinced that this path will lead us to face another ‘mastan bahini’ only with million times muscle power and lot more organized.
November 8th, 2007 at 5:52 pm
Asif, one couldn’t agree more with you on this. Behind the smoke screen of ‘anti independent war’ issue someone is cooking up a grand conspiracy. The conspiracy to decapitate the nationalist and Islamist block to facilitate an India leaning government.
India always wanted a subservient government in Bangladesh. They never were happy with Bangladesh since 1972 when Bangabandu ignored the pact signed by Syed Najrul Islam and working to regain the control since. For the first time in last 36 years they are closed to the goal.
This government took up the issues of bad governing. It was a slump dunk undertakes to get quick popularity. One shouldn’t miss the evidences of designed political turmoil to create that atmosphere.
From the beginning of last government a group started to campaign on Taliban and minority issues to get foreigner involved in Bangladesh internal affairs. Later the same group started political dramas which later turn to political dialog only to stall at Jamat issue. Bangladesh saw how issues after issues were brought up and the heinous act on the street to spoil the election. Everyone knows the chronicle of the story. Bottom line, the whole drama is played out as a part of a grand design. A plan is that would keep nationalist and Islamist out of the power.
Government kept Jamat under check with the ‘anti liberation’ issues only to take care of BNP. Zia family is under arrest without any charge only to destroy BNP to the point it wouldn’t pose any threat to install a secular government. Even an idiot wouldn’t miss that government is grooming Saifur Rahamn and Major Hafiz to breakup BNP and EC is helping the process.
EC responsibility is to hold an election that would have wider acceptance. With current act EC lost its credibility and put Bangladesh in the same uncertain situation as it was prior to this government.
Government kept BNP away from its allies to destroy them one by one. Divide and rule. The anti Bangladesh group that staged the international hate campaign is again leading ‘anti-independent war’ campaign to divert public attention away from this destruction. Unfortunately, a few inept nationalist leaders are onboard with them without understanding the ramification of this mistake.
What happened at Zia’s graveyard could be a preview of what to come. If history any lesson, one should look back to understand what waits for those who worked against the people. Bangladesh would never except an India leaning government and taught them lessons whoever tried that.
November 8th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
Very good and realistic analysis. Current regime has no intention to reform or bring democracy, to begin with. M&M are implanted by some other power and really they don’t neeed any exit strategy. Remember, he started talking about changing constitution right after visit to America. Ustad-der kothato aar felte parena! Ustad-der instruction-e bangladesh politics are being reshaped, where nationalist won’t have any presence. Is this good for the country? Personally, I don’t think so.
November 8th, 2007 at 6:49 pm
What Scum! War criminals should be tried immediately. If Bangladesh’s independence is threatened by any external force, be it India or any other country, the people of this land will take up arms to defend ourselves.
it is a small wonder that some ppl, some even posted it in this blog comments, want to save war criminals by creating this old juju. Pls do not try to fool us. Only a rapist, killer war criminal can oppose the formation of war crime tribunal now.
Its because we could not punish them, Nizami, Mojahed, Kader Mollah have the oddacity to say that ppl went to the liberation war to have sex with beautiful women. We can never let go of it. Never!
November 8th, 2007 at 6:58 pm
You are just claiming that everything is being manipulated by the current regime. But at the end of the day these are just your “opinions” and “perception”.
You go far as to say that the chief justice is also being controlled by the military.
Corruption charges againts Falu and Babar makes Delwar look like a novice, he is accused of stealing food ration from the parliament kitchen.
Jodi Kichu also suggesting that the current regime is a US puppet.
AbuWardha suggesting that the current regime was brought to power by some “grant design” to benefit islamic parties and India among others.
Unlike die hard “an election will solve all our problems” crowd. I rather see the current regime carry on it’s reform drive and prevent the corrupt political-businessmen from contesting the next election.
What I want to see is more news items like below:
http://thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=10869
http://thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=10876
November 8th, 2007 at 7:52 pm
I agree with Asif. If we follow the analogy of the boatman’s story. He asked the learned person in the face of storm “Shatar janen babu?” (Do you know how to swim?). My question to the CTG, “Can you servive the vice of absolute power?” The obvious answer shows in the recent events.
This was my objection about a long term unelected gov’t like present one. All their objectives sound good, but none of them have proven their own honesty at power. Power corrupts people and absolute power corrupts absolutely. It is true for everyone. Unfortunately present gov’t has more power than any of the two Netri’s had. Can anyone find any corruption charge against any of the leaders when they were not in power? We all are “Shujoger Ovabe Choritroban”. When you get power, your test of character starts there.
We can all remember how Ershad started, he also started with eradication of corruption and ’sontrash’. He also put politicians in jail for corruption. We all know the rest. Corruption is the most popular justification for military all over the world to take power from civilian leadership. But please don’t misunderstand me that I am trying to defend any corruption by politicians. What I am trying to say is what made our civilian leadership corrupt (absolute power), is more vivid in present gov’t. None of them are tested leaders or proven anything that shows they are immune to the vice of power.
Now we are in a sutuation where we feel intimidated to ask any question! Is this right direction as some proclaimed? I have doubts!!!I prefer the one where I can vote them out if I don’t like them, than the one I am afraid to discuss their activities.
November 8th, 2007 at 8:32 pm
It saddens me to see how things are shaping up in Bangladesh. Right after 1/11, I wrote here that the main cause of problem in Bangladesh is the concentration of power in the hands of a few. Truly democratic institutions with proper checks and balance are the only way out of this chaos. The lack of proper leadership is just facilitating to maintain the status quo.
I’m surprised to see that even today, after more than a year of this (pseudo) military rule, some still think Bangladesh and Bangladeshis are in the RIGHT direction. I guess we really don’t want to see things that we don’t want to acknowledge.
Someone here claims that this govt. completed the work for judicial separation! Really? Do you not see how the judiciary is acting to is no different than how they acted pre-November? Without proper individuals with backbone standing up for the “cause of law”, separation on paper will not do us any good. A snake can never stand upright as it does not have a backbone. It’s the same story. Today we see that people that the govt. don’t like do not get bail where the other group that the govt. likes are coming out of jails. Example? Abul Khair Litu, Abdul Awal Minto….The deal making never stopped behind the scene.
On paper, the idea is very simple. The country would be ruled by those that are selected by the people of the country. This selection process is what we call “election”. There is nothing to it. Everybody have the equal rights and responsibilities. But the reality is quite different. The deal making, what we call ‘politics” is a complicated thing and the general people never see the end of it. General people only see what is shown to them by the people who are involved in this process of deal making (politics). That’s why we see Saifur-Hafiz gong coming out of the shadows and claiming to be the relatively honest (it’s a new term and quite interesting…) fraction! What we don’t see is what made them what they did!!
EC from the start was saying that it’ll follow the constitution of BNP and act accordingly. All of a sudden, this new idea of “doctrine of necessity” came out. I think the name of this new idea is quite telling….what happened is out of necessity….the question is “whose necessity”?
Unfortunately, we failed to come out of this circle of events…In Bangladesh, we have one of these life-changing events (like independence, like the 90) and we sort of get what we want…that continues for some time and then we go back to anarchy and chaos and then another life-changing event comes. In the process, dies Nur Hossain and the like.
A shot in the arm may be able to revive you and get you to the pick of ecstasy. But to be cured, you need to follow the procedure and live a controlled life. Similarly, a military rule may capture the power now. But ultimately, the people of Bangladesh will come out and re-capture what is rightfully theirs. I’m sure of it. But that does not solve the problem for us. We need to get out of this vicious circle and the only way out is to give the process enough time to change itself from within. No emergency or military rule can ever do that. There are no shortcuts in life.
November 8th, 2007 at 8:42 pm
Asif, nice job.
MUA promised us many surprises during his inetrview, so these are the examples. first a coup in the country and then in BNP.If anyone understands how EC selected Saifur-Gang as the “original BNP”, please let me know.
Last BNP Govt was accused of “election engineering”, current regime has gone one step further, Now I can see media engineering, political party engineering, judiciary engineering, Harvard seminar engineering…
some people think that country is going into “right” direction because newspaper and media is showing the “right” news only, “wrong news” of someone like journalist Tipu is being filtered out.
Chief of army also mentioned during the interview that they don’t have any intention to return to cantonment. All these happened because
AL did not like barrister Hasan, I think Barrister Hasan was a better option than all these “reforms”.
Atunu #14,
perfectly reversible process is impossible because it would take infinite amount of time to finish the process. If you look back at history, the damage done by a military regime is actually irrecoverable.
November 8th, 2007 at 11:10 pm
RE #21
Please don’t try to distort my comment, in both my comments in this thread I have stated the current government has “completed the steps necessary to separte the judiciary” (as demanded by the courts) and that it will need the support of future governments to succeed.
Before commenting please read posts more thoroughly.
With time, the new judicial framework will enable independent judges to give verdicts which are just without fearing retribution from various quarters. As I mentioned earlier it has only been 8 days since the judiciary has become independent on “paper”, it will take many more months and years before the judiciary is able to function without interference.
You must also acknowledge that there are hundreds of sitting judges appointed by both BNP and AL. These judges are highly politicized and would not think twice before release their political masters.
For example if Foyzee was still a judge and Barrister Moudud Ahmed was brought into his court, what do you think the outcome would have been.
It is one thing to sit in you armchair and shout about fairness but the fact is, the generals and Fakhruddin and company are up againts thousands of corrupt judges, business people, politicians, criminals, mastans, Tax Dodgers and government employees.
What you are suggesting is , the current regime should just sit still and not exert any influence while Falu, Babar, Mamun and gong are taken before judges appointed by the BNP, so they can walk free.
November 8th, 2007 at 11:45 pm
What the anlysis does not cover is the role of main player - the political parties. We are placing all bets on election, democracy & political parties as the saviour but what we have seen at Zia mazaar is that nothing has changed. Its the same hooliganism that brought 9/11. I think thats is alarming.
November 9th, 2007 at 4:15 am
E.H
So if it is done on the street, it is hooliganism. But if it is done in a Gulshan house, a party is slapped with midnight coup - that is restoring democracy!! And you think it will change the behavior in constructive way!
I really do not understand why you have more trust on these unelected, self proclaimed savior than anybody else. Atleast those leaders had to face peoples verdict once in five years, these people has no accountability at all. If you go back to history or even recent cohorts of these group, you will see, the same reasoning, same sweet talk, and same old installing themselves as the ruler without accountibility. Thus more disappontment - more election rigging, more corruption…..
“Nera naki ekbari bel tolay jay”, unfortunately some “nera” never miss a chance to go there thinking that, each time they will get a different result.
November 9th, 2007 at 4:38 am
EH #24,
Oh, the good’ole hooliganism of the parties! That is what 1/11 was all about. The same hooliganism of the parties caused hartals, oborodhs, student ‘politics’, and anarchy.
The same hooligans attacked BNP leaders who complained about corruption 2 years ago. These politicians have mastered a PATTERN of hooliganism which is the signature of their ‘politics’.
Asif mentioned ‘brutal repression’, which I see coming MORE from ‘politicians’ than CTG. With a total BANKRUPTCY of policies and manifestoes, these politicians have no other strategy besides mazar attacks, student riots and boycotts! They want to brutally repress their way into Shongshod Bhavan.
Ask them what is their plan for anti-corruption, poverty reduction, traffic and inflation, and they have no clue. But hooliganism? - Mashallah!!
It is this bankruptcy of nation-building thought, and this hooliganism that appropriately causes CTG to restrict ‘politics’, to control ‘politicians’ repression and anarchy.
The nation is better-off with hooligans controlled than let loose with their brand of ‘politics’.
That brand of ‘politics’ is the bullying arrogance, which blackmails the nation by demanding hooliganism and corruption, otherwise they will boycott elections!
We need to ask ourselves - what is more valuable - elections with hooligans, or WITHOUT hooligans?
November 9th, 2007 at 5:07 am
Sorry to be blunt, but those who think the judiciary is independent have little clue about how the judiciary actually works in Bangladesh. Badal put it right: “judiciary works as another law enforcement and political wing of the government.” EC, similarly, is independent in name only, as recent events proved. These types of separations are meaningless.
Nothing has changed with this. The only judiciary that has independence is the High Court, but the government (since Moeen met with Ruhul Amin) has got the SC Chief Justice to shamelessly stay most high court orders that go against the government without showing any reason whatsoever. This is not a BNP-AL issue. The issue is that the government is fighting extremely unfairly (no legal action can be fair when fundamental rights are suspended), manipulating political, judicial, and electorial institutions left and right. The concern is that the consequences are grave, and CTG (here I disagree with Asif S.’s line in the original post) could not have done all this with good intent, because vengeance is never a constructive intent.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:28 am
Re #24, is BNP now being accused of having caused 9/11? Please send this information to the military government; they can send Tareq Rahman to the USA as a substitute for Bin Laden.
Re #26, when political parties do it, it’s called hooliganism. When the state and its armed forces do it, what is it called then? Crossfire? Remand? Doctrine of necessity?
November 9th, 2007 at 7:40 am
KGazi,
You should ask yourself:
Rule with your consent (democracy) or without your consent (autocracy).
Election with your choice (vote) or without your choice (fixed).
Institutions, for your protection or for their tool of manipulation.
Corruption eradication, for your benefit or for the extortion mechanism to create their own loyalist.
In every step, your beloved CTG is contradicting all their so call good objectives or talks.
By the way can you please give me the basis of your trust on these military CTG given their track record all over the world. We have seen the same track used several time in our own history alone. How many times you want to learn the same lesson?
November 9th, 2007 at 2:31 pm
Funny things are happening now under the watch of CTG. There are three areas where corruption is most pervasive: Politicians, civil-administration and businees.
Government arrested scores of politicians for corruption, some with silly charges and other with relatively heavier charges still at loose. It has hardly any touch on the corrupt bureaucrats and busineesmen.
Recent release of MINTU and LITU is the proof of bankruptcy of government. People started to chuckle at the transparency of ant-corruption drive.
Thanks.
November 9th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
Re #26.
Joynal Ahmed does not deserve any further response as the case has already been made and he is suffering from ostrich syndrome.
I have question for KGazi and other military government apologetics. KGazi, you called the action against Lt General Mahbub as hooliganism. Fine. But when your fatherly army raids peoples’ home at midnight, pick people up to unknown destination and torture them for months without any specific charges or judgment, why don’t you call that hooliganism? This same army, in RAB uniform, captures and simply kills 5 people just in revenge of the killing of one of their corrupt colleague. Why don’t you call it hooliganism? When a 24 year old captain accompanied his Brigadier General boss and slap a 72 year old Khandkar Delwar Hossain 10-12 times in a row, you will not call it hooliganism. Do you remember the picture of that famous kick? The young man kicking an army jawan? The name of the young man in Angel. Do you want to know what they did to Angel? Military torture chamber reportedly crushed both of the legs of Angel. It was crushed in such a way that there is no single intact bone in Angel’s legs. He will never be able to walk again. Which judicial system ordered that? Isn’t it hooliganism? Did you listen to the BBC report about how the military surrounded entire Aziz Super Market and beat all the Dhaka university students half dead? I know what you will tell. Exactly the same thing many people told on 26th March 1971. “They are the great army. That’s what you get if you dare touch the mighty all powerful army.” You will tell the same thing here.
Remember KGazi, this kind of defiance and hooliganism brought about our independence, our democracy and this hooliganism will bring it back again. Operation search light could not stop it; neither could Ershad’s killings nor Angel’s crushed legs.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:12 pm
Iqo,
To give us ‘democracy’ with consent, election with choice, and anti-corruption - we asked Mujib and he failed – we asked Hasina and she failed - we asked Khaleda and she also failed.
We got hartals, shutdowns, breakdowns, boycotts, riots, looting, bomabaji, graft, bankruptcy, and poverty in the name of politics. But ‘democracy’ we never got. That is still a pie-in-the-sky in BD – we have never seen it yet.
My “beloved CTG” is now my only hope. Don’t judge this CTG by the ‘track record’ of Musharraf, and Ershad, because then people will start judging ALL politicians by the track record of Marcos and ZA Bhutto. Judge this CTG by what is their mission – and I believe they are serious about bringing a much-needed change to our totally failed political system.
The setbacks we are seeing were foreseeable, every step of change is opening cans of worms – being opened after DECADES of neglect. CTG cannot fix everything in 2 years, and yet those can-of-worms must be opened – no matter how unpleasant. But their mission is sound.
To stop the hooliganism in politics, much more work remains in reforming the system. The Law and order system is NUMBER ONE. The Police needs to be looked at very seriously.
Decades of corruption decayed the core of all institutions – including judiciary. CTG has tackled judiciary, student politics, chitgng port, banking, We have seen how clampdown of all those institutions ALL AT ONCE will result in system suicide, so CTG is having to release some of those controls, for the sake of continuity. Contol one sector, and release another. DU has opened, politicians have returned to meet, It’s a slow release
and hold process – like a trickle-down intravenous salign to our national system –under intensive care.
November 9th, 2007 at 5:50 pm
The problem of your argument is that politicians with all their limitation gives a nation better options than any military govt. You will find a few example of politicians you mentioned, but you will have hard time to find any military govt who delivered what they promised.
Your beloved CTG is your only hope, that tells all!!! My only hope is the people of Bangladesh. When they could give verdict, they always came up with right one (even within the limitation of the political process you mentioned). When that is crashed in the name of give them a better system is going backward.
You mentioned that their mission is sound. I would like to request you to give me one exaple where the mission of any military govt in our history or any other country where their mission was not sound.
Oh yes they are only “sound”!!!
November 9th, 2007 at 6:05 pm
KGazi is right about the failure of existing political leadership and their patronization of all around corruption. If anyone argues these allegations, they are suffering from the Ostrich Syndrome too.
From that point onward, KGazi goes awry! His total faith is in the iron feast implementation of ‘law and order’ as the panacea of all problems in Bangladesh. Like he has seen enough failure of politicians, we have seen enough corruptions of generals too. In fact those generals have corrupted our political culture with ‘carrot and whip’.
I guess the supporters will never explain why they have so much faith on this Government. They are in denial that this CTG is back in the business of ‘buying and selling’ of politicians. They do not see anything wrong in 166 extra judicial killing (reported) in last 300 days. For some weird reason every HC verdict gets reverted in SC, nothing wrong in it! But the same SC, gets ‘Ohi’ and frees Litu and Minto. Hey, they are independent judiciary; they can do whatever they like or told!
DU teachers, students? All hooligans! Ritchil? Who cares, about a stupid Garo! Akash? For greater goods! Army? They are the saviors. Why would someone question anything done by the army? Did not your father live peacefully under the boots? Did not your grand father live peacefully licking the boots? If you protest army supremacy, you must be the hooligan supporters of the corrupt political leaders! Murders by the state, army, rab is OK – you have to have “faith” that they are doing it for reasons, unfaithful will burn in DGFI’s hell. Remember ‘Faith’ is not open for reasoning or argument.
If you ask about the pending reports of ‘independent’ judicial committee, you are questioning my ‘faith’.
November 9th, 2007 at 7:11 pm
Iqo #33 - “when they could give verdict, [people of BD] always came up with right one”.
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Sure they did! If you were imprisoned in Alibaba’s cave, and were asked to choose between a thief and a burglar, which one would you choose? You might be very elated to exercise your right to vote, ( wow, elections !), but what would be your END RESULT !? That, is the current scenario in BD politics.
“My beloved CTG is my only hope” - should tell all about the total disappointment with our 15 years of grand failure in nation management.
It is totally unwarranted phobia if we compare this CTG to any ‘military govt’ comparable to dictatorships of history. We need to change our mindset and see this CTG as a reality check, to see what really went on inside Alibaba’s cave, and how to achieve better choices for the future.
November 9th, 2007 at 7:13 pm
The argument put forward regarding ‘hooliganism’ by Iqo & others goes something like this -certain actions of Army/CTG has been ‘bad’ so behavior by political parties are justified and we cannot question it.
In my comment I am not defending army/CTG/RAB/ Gulshan coup :). In fact some of their actions has been undesirable and you guys have rightfully protested which is the right thing to do. Please, don’t perceive every discussion as a CTG anti CTG discussion.
Lets forget about CTG for a moment. My comment was not directed at BNP in particular or the exact meaning of hooliganism but rather the general culture of hate, ‘kill thy opponent’ mentality. So have we seen anything that has changed from that ? We need qualitative change in politics and we should put pressure on them and hold them to it. Since the mazaar incident is used as a reference, why are we absolving the behavior of the political parties ? If you are going to say, its an outburst due to repression, then I would say look back pre 1/11 days. This is standard operating procedure for a political party.
Note questioning political parties does not mean a supporter of ctg /army /autocracy. It means we should strive to have a ‘real democracy’ not a ‘gangster democracy’. Ultimately these are the people we have to rely on to lead us in the future.
November 9th, 2007 at 8:28 pm
Here we go. The usual next step like any other junta govt.
http://amadershomoy.com/news.php?id=211305&sys=1
November 9th, 2007 at 9:09 pm
EH,
when you question only oneside’s behavior, that makes your whole argument invalid. And you cannot compare an individual or mob activities with an organized govt Bahini. The second one deserve more questioning, as they are fed by peoples tax money. Please refer me to some post where you questioned any activity of CTG.
KGazi
In the cave of thief and burgler, here comes your better option “Jago bangladesh” - what will you call them?
Every one understand that our poltical parties had some basic short comings, but another Jatya party is never a solution. It is a tool to consolidate their power - nothing to do with all the sweet talks or objectives.
By the way you never explained why you have so much faith in this junta? I explained my position at #20, please let us know yours, except blind faith. Why do you think these people are immune to vice of absolute power?
November 10th, 2007 at 4:21 am
Iqo #38 - why I have so much faith in this “junta”?
Because I dont see them as ‘junta’, unlike Ershad and Musharaf, I see them as a CTG, and in fact much superior than an elected govt. Why? Because unlike an ‘elected’ govt, I see this CTG is sincerely working for the nation, even without a competitor, without an opposition party, without a rival opponent.
Not only that, they are seriously working to replace THEMSELVES with an elected govt. Would Hasina and Khaleda ever EVEN have a nightmare of doing that? No.
For years, during our past ‘elected govts’ who were hooligans to the core, I was screaming online for “Jago Bangladesh” (your option) to rescue us from their sham political repression. But the only reply I got back from online forumers was “BUT WHO WILL BELL THE CAT”?
BD people were totally helpless against the repression of the sham political corruption, and total ANARCHY in the name of ‘democracy’.
‘Jago bangladesh’ was nowhere to be found!
So, not only do I see this CTG as the rescuers who have belled the cat, but in fact, to go further I see THEM as the “Jago Bangladesh” whom you were looking for in Alibaba’s Cave. This CTG is the ultimate Jago Bangladesh - and if we ever had any better choice in THE CAVE, believe me, this is it.
Of course, there will be imperfections in the process, there will be Richils and Arifs - but those are part of the can-of-worms of the legacy system, which we inherited thru decades. CTG cannot change those pathogens overnight.
But the main crisis, the thieves and burglars are now under control, the wild fire of CORRUPTION spreading in the CAVE is contained. Thats why I have so much faith in them, hope that answers the question.
November 10th, 2007 at 8:42 am
What mess??? There is no mess.
The country is in much better situtaion that it ever was during the Khaleda-hasina Era. THEthoretical blabbering only exists in the books of the previliged.
November 10th, 2007 at 10:51 am
A few days ago at Rumi bhai’s blog, the Quran was quoted to those who still denied that Jamaat committed war crimes in 1971. I could quote the same verse here to those who still think that the coupmakers of January are not like the others that came before them. But I’m feeling a bit jocular, and so will paraphrase a bit of Dhallywood classic:
Tumi dekhiao dekhla na,
Tumi shuniao shunla na,
Tumi jalaiya dila Desh-e agun,
Nibhaya dila na.
November 10th, 2007 at 1:15 pm
KGazi,
Thanks for your explanation. It is still how you see them as than any concrete reason. I can see my girlfriend as the most beautiful girl in the history of mankind, that doesn’t make her the most beautiful.
You still think they are sincere after so many intentional misdeed, and it is because of the worm box? So how to kill worms, create a vicious one that can kill the present one?
November 10th, 2007 at 3:15 pm
That’s all rather self aggrandising. This govt is the best govt in a long time and trying for once to be better than malevolent. You are blogging yourselves out of proportion with this dissentary.
November 10th, 2007 at 6:45 pm
iqo - your perception of CTG is fixed on your own image of “junta”, so no matter what I say you are inflexible to shift that paradigm, and locked into that mindset.
So, just wait till 2009 as promised by CTG, and see if they are genuine or not.
November 11th, 2007 at 12:41 am
KGazi,
You give me a good reason, I am willing to change my view. Unfortunately you are giving all your inflexible faith/thinking/ may be dreams. When ever I asked for any reason you come up with those. By the way my image of Junta is based on the long history of them in our own land and all over the world.
Next time come up with something other than faith/thinking/dreams, then we can have some discussion. Keep your faith, hopefully your dreams will come true. I will be more than happy if it happens!!!
November 11th, 2007 at 1:34 am
Re: 37 and Kings party, I was reminded of this editorial from Mahfuz Anam 5 months ago.
http://www.thedailystar.net/2007/07/17/d7071701022.htm
Interestingly have you seen any of these reports from the correspondents that he mentions in DS. Does that mean he is suppressing all those news? What was their tagline again? Journalism without fear and favour?
November 11th, 2007 at 9:26 am
A small point I’d like to make to everyone claiming that this is the best government of the last 16 years. Let me emphasize that these are my personal expectations as an irregular reader of UV for over two years and a regular reader for the past six months, and not as someone who occasionally writes blog posts here.
This blog post has not passed judgement on this government versus the last 3 government. It has steered clear of comparisons. This post has called out the CTG for its mistakes. Saying that the other governments were worse is really not an answer to what it is trying to do.
UV has been critical of political governments in the past, and hopefully will continue to be critical of whatever government is in power at any time in the future. That is what I expect from a blog which is human rights oriented.
Human rights violations are the misdeeds of the state versus the individual. Therefore, if at any time UV was not criticising the government, I’d suspect one of two things: either Utopia has sprung up in Bangladesh and there are no human rights violations OR UV is not doing its job. I’d be inclined to believe the latter.
Now it might seem unfair that I’m asking for UV to highlight the negatives of every government. But let me remind readers that there are much more powerful mediums - newspapers, TV, radio - that are daily singing any government’s praises. Having taken all these into account, if it still seems unfair that a human rights oriented blog is focussing on the negatives, then blogs have become more powerful than I knew.
Lastly, there might be arguments for treating the current CTG as an exception. I’m aware of the saying: “You cannot make an omlette without breaking a few eggs”. I don’t mind breaking a few eggs at all. (In fact, there are a few bad eggs I can mention who have not been broken yet.) Instead, what has happened is that some eggs have been smashed against the wall while others have been kept safe in the fridge.
If UV were to remain silent about that, I would stop reading it. Thankfully that has not happened. Once again, only a personal statement from a loyal reader.
November 12th, 2007 at 9:38 pm
It is needles to say that more or less all the eggs are spoiled. If I eat/smash all the eggs within a day I may be end up having no egg to cook/smash for the next day. It is better to keep some eggs for the future use. This is how it should be in the real world.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:11 am
bdwatcher,
I knew I was going to regret putting in that dimbo metaphor. You’ve dealt with ONE complaint out of THREE as detailed by the post: that relating to the current government’s unequal application of the law through the “independent judiciary”.
What excuses for media suppression?
What excuses for “the doctrine of necessity” statement by an “independent” EC?
November 13th, 2007 at 1:35 am
Iqo, I think you did not get my point again. Its not a competition to keep track of how many anti-ctg comments I personally had.
Question for you - what is our future - democracy. Then who is the most important player in democracy - the political party - as a collective group we should not let our eyes off them.
We have to make sure we have actual leaders leading us not what we had in the past.
November 13th, 2007 at 2:09 am
Press supression
irresponsible, imature, annoying and infantalising press.
Doctrine of neccesity
Very difficult working conditions, teeming with vested interests, some of which will necessarily be scorched in this extraordinary period of time. Saifur rahman is more believable as head anyway, finance minister is the 2nd most powerful member of government.
November 13th, 2007 at 3:15 am
From experience let me say that it is pointless asking fugstar to explain himself because he will end up contradicting himself within three comments or throwing fluffy words like “respect” (read: “impunity for the elites”), and thus waste my time and energy.
I’d just like to ask if anyone else believes that our press was suppressed because it was “immature” and “infantilising”? If so, then why are we being subjected to immature, innuendo-filled stories about yaba-dealers everyday, stories that “infantilise” the readers? Why are those not being suppressed?
On the other hand, reports of government actions are being suppressed. Mind you, not citizens’ crimes, but government actions. The first is a law and order issue. The second is a human rights issue. If UV did not deal with that aspect of the current situation, as certain commenters are criticising it for doing, then UV would not be a human rights blog.
As for doctrine of necessity, is anyone else buying that explanation, or just my friend with the reputation for delusions from #51? It’s hard to call the EC neutral after that, but intelligent people believed the Earth was flat for the longest time.
November 13th, 2007 at 6:20 am
DhakaShohor - media in USA is also ’suppressed’ from showing Iraqi news, because wartime security and stability as perceived by US govt, requires that not everything happening in Iraq and Afghanistan is blasted in the US media.
That supppression of media in USA is a national security and policy issue. There is more Iraq war news in Mexican channels than in USA!!
In Bangladesh, with emergency, CTG and transition, 2 PM’s in jail, polital parties and warlords in jail - should the nation NOT exercise same US-type of media requiremnents, so that security and stability are ensured?
On the other hand, I see newspapers in BD printing as much anti-govt editorials, if not more, as pre 1/11. And yet everyday someone saying “oh, the army let this one go” daily? So, what ‘press suppression’?
What reports of govt actions are not being reported, and is the ‘army’ really suppressing media, or is it just another anti-army phobia?
November 13th, 2007 at 6:57 am
KGazi bhai,
As much as I sincerely admire your heartfelt optimism about this government and our country in general, I cannot endorse your prescription to follow the American footsteps to Hell and back if necessary.
If America “censors”, does that automatically make censorship halal?
I’ve debated a lot of people here. One person once told me that “freedom” as practised in America is not for us because we are different. Now you are trying to say that lack of freedom as practised in America is for us. Why do we follow American examples in some cases and not others?
Why do you yourself cite American examples, say when it comes to press censorship, torture, extraordrinary rendition etc.? How come you never cite these wonderful American examples: regular elections for over 200 years, civilian control over the military even in times of war, the immense amount of leeway the American people have to protest in front of their government buildings if they want to, protection to “atheist” religion-offending artists, strict abiding by the motto: no government in business etc etc.?
Most importantly, if we really followed the American example, shouldn’t we go all out and elect the son of a former president as a current president?
Americay to poribartontro’o asey. So frankly, you have not answered my concerns by saying “Americans do so as well”. I hope you understand if I respond with a “so what?”
re: “On the other hand, I see newspapers in BD printing as much anti-govt editorials, if not more, as pre 1/11″
Statistical study or simple gut feeling?
re: “And yet everyday someone saying “oh, the army let this one go” daily? So, what ‘press suppression’?
What reports of govt actions are not being reported, and is the ‘army’ really suppressing media, or is it just another anti-army phobia?”
Let me be very clear in case you misread. I said the “government” has clamped down on freedom of the press significantly. I did NOT pinpoint the army. Knee-jerk anti-army reactions are not in my blood. Please take it up with other people who have that attitude. I regard the army as simply another branch of the government with a specialised function. No phobia there.
I’d suggest that you look into the following in greater detail to see signs of media censorship in Bangladesh:
1)guidelines for TV show hosts - very, very vague - and for what purpose?
2)creation of a database of journalists in northern Bangladesh - again, why? Especially with personal information and family information?
3)the complete lack of coverage from anyone but the Dinkal of a certain press conference involving an expatriate professor and a current advisor
4)this statement by HRW http://hrw.org/english/docs/2007/09/11/bangla16851.htm regarding two articles in the Economist
5)the fact that journalists were harrassed during the DU riots even though it was students and other “miscreants” who were rioting
6) Torture of journalist Akash
And those are simply examples that I’ve found online in my free time, not a comprehensive list by any means!
But most importantly, try and talk to some journalist friends from back home. Especially those who work for television stations. Ask them if they feel that there is more or less restrictions on the press. Don’t take my or anyone else’s word for it, I beg you.
Always a pleasure talking to you bhai.
November 13th, 2007 at 12:16 pm
Asify could see contradictions in the carnot cycle, something which comes from blindness to nuance and underlying forces.
Doctrine of necessity was no doubt invoked to justify tajudins decision to set up govt in india and prosecute the war. The CEC probably did well not to invite that, bless, half dead KZ plant guy to talks.
The press is still infantalising, but is being ‘trained’ to be more careful wrt the state. The press can still destroy the good name of weaker individuals for its corporate and sales interest. They are not accountable enough. Its like all those tehlekha copy cats in india who have no sense of responsibility.
Just because someones political vocabulary is crass and badly mannered does not mean that invoking recognised behavioural standards provides impunity for ‘the powerful’. Cf Sayadina Musa in the Court of the court of Firaun for a ‘truth to power’ massage.
Journalists are not a sacred species. In the worst case, they are cogs in the gossip engine and can behave atrociously and beyond their competance. When somebody is dead and their janaza prayer is being conducted they will grant us no peace but buzz around like flies, when citizens go ape on campus they will encourage them, when citizens express supprt for views opposing their own they will not air them.
These people are royalty? they have a greater right than the rest of the population?
They are the foot soldiers of their paymasters and make a living selling allegedly useful scraps of information and making noise. Many no doubt are decent people seeking truth, but i would suggest that they are the exception not the rule.
Journalists collect data on private citizens, they stick their noses into their affairs and sit in the ‘totho bazars’ in the zila press club exchanging gossip (especially the younger desperate ones eager to impress). They should be monitored, for the safety of private citizens, for their lack of brakes and general nontrustability.
Their profesionality decency will improve with time i hope.
November 13th, 2007 at 8:49 pm
Dhakashor - Its a pleasure reading your comments also.
First, my question was ’so,(comma) what…?’ not ’so what?’
We must be concerned if there is any concerted CRIME associated with media by THIS govt. Knowing that previous govts made Bangladesh infamous for this, and 3 years ago a high-profile Hollywood dinner in LA condemned JOURNALIST harrassment in BD. Is this much-publicized pattern of journalist-abuse becoming a national habit, or is PHYSICAL suppression a psyche of the feudal past? (not just by govt but also by individuals). I dont know.
But, this govt must take exemplary action against such CRIME, to set guidelines for future.
Theres a big difference between media restriction, and anti-media crime, like kiling and torture of journalists. I am talking about broadcasting restriction when comparing with USA. But anti-media targeted crime has no comparison or excuse, and must be severely discouraged.
To your question “if USA censors does it make censorship halal?” - if we want to make the advances of 200 years of US experience we must follow their footsteps in every DETAIL. They indured 200 years of learning-curve, and it is in our interest to follow and COPY their methods of governance hu-bohu, to the last minute detail - without re-inventing the wheel, and spending another 200 years to discover what USA did.
We cannot just praise their wonderful ‘democracy’ and not practice it to the LAST DETAIL, if we want to get there in a short time. Thats our advantage - the wheel has already been invented. All we need to make it HALAL, is to copy it to the last detail. Media censorship - but not media crime. Crime control but not crime corruption. Those are the details that need to be followed - if ‘democracy’ US-style is what we want, we must copy, copy, copy. No time to re-invent the wheel.
Its not just my gut-feeling but well-established fact that previous govts restricted news of corruption and crime, (like YABA, VOIP etc) incl ministers’ corruption. PM’s son KOKO himself controlled much of the media.
Crime and corruption news is very important, and even more so is Investigative Journalism, totally absent in the past. This govt and the media must encourage more of that - if crime and corruption is to be reduced.
November 13th, 2007 at 9:44 pm
KGazi bhai,
This is why it’s a pleasure talking to you rather than someone like fugstar. With you, I don’t have to give out elementary lectures on the worth of a free press or other American values.
My only quibble to your above comment is this: VOIP being a “crime”. Would you say this is the American way to run an economy? Americans do not BAN new technology or create monopolies for friends of the government. Americans LICENCE and TAX new industries while ensuring that anyone who has taken initial risks (in investing and innovating) in emerging industries enjoys the fruits of their labour. That is capitalism, citizen-driven capitalism. That is also a good strategy for improving public revenue.
What went on in Bangladesh (from media reports pre-1/11) in the VOIP trade was crony capitalism. The solution is greater licensing, more help to new innovators and investors. NOT raids. NOT restrictions. Those give out the wrong signal to potential investors/innovators.
Fugstar, I have refused to engage with you on this topic. If you don’t see the worth of a free press because some pressmen are corrupt, please don’t ever talk against people who see no worth in religion because some religious people are evil. As you may know, I don’t do either because I don’t believe good institutions are worth as much as their lowest common denominator. Thanks.
November 13th, 2007 at 10:16 pm
To make this CTG out to be some paragon of high virtue sorting out the problems of this country is the stuff of fantasy.
When they came to power they were American stooges. We all heard it. Then they became those who had the courage to arrest the mighty Tarique & friends. Their image in the public eye has been one heck of a rollercoaster of a ride, still we do not know how many more twists and turns are yet to come. How are we then capable to judge them?
At best they are largely well-meaning individuals stumbling along righting some palpable wrongs and hoping upon hope that an as yet unforseeable exit plan emerges from the mire. They deserve a chance because it would require quite pathetic levels of corruption and incompetence to sink to the levels of the administrations just gone.
This as much as bullying probably contributes to the leeway being afforded to them by our mainstream media.
Not everything they do has been right or will be right and we are right to call them to account for it. Checks and balances. I hope they continue but I also hope that they eradicate their excesses.
November 14th, 2007 at 5:03 am
One issue I have with all the human rights activists is that we seem to preach a higher level of rights and freedom than that enjoyed by many western countries like the UK and USA.
While our society and government are unable to hold free and fair elections many here are more consumed by more advanced democratic values like juctice and human rights. Since independence not a single instution has been allowed to run independently by our so called “democratically” elected politicians. The politicians have used the police, judiciary and other institutions to supress dissent, punish their opponents and amass black money.
While we hear many demands by Khaleda and Hasina regarding this and that issue, they have yet to admit their failures and present a better vision for the future. Khaleda famously announced that there is no “poribar tontro” within the BNP, just after appointing her brother to a senior post.
Even before going to jail Khaleda demonstrated her dictatorial power by appointing Hannan Shah and Delwar to run BNP in her absense.
Many have also commented on the EC decision to invite the Saifur led faction of the BNP to talks. Well as far as I am aware the Saifur led faction is supported by majority of the past BNP lawmakers. One may argue that these politicians have been pressurized by the army. If these politicians are easily cowed by alleged threats by the DGFI, are they really worthy of leading our people and country!? Delwar and Hannah Shah are just one man shows - I have yet to see a major BNP leader endorse them.
The bottom line is Bangladesh has had elections but not democracy. The army/CTG have been brought into power by the feuding political parties.
To my knowledge there are no “democratic” parties in the world where the leaders refuse to be in the same room and discuss the countries welfare.
The bottom line is - Our problem is not the CTG. CTG has promised to hold elections by the end of 2008. If they don’t I am sure our great democratic political parties (pun intended) will succeed in unseating them by staging violent street protests and hartals. But what will happen after that!!?
Neither BNP nor AL showed any inclination to change their ways until pressure was applied by the current regime. Some have criticized this intervention. To them I ask, how else can these parties be reformed?
November 14th, 2007 at 12:43 pm
It’s the primacy of freedom of the press that is mistaken, as well as the necessity of Apemanship of the US. Balance is preferable to uncritical and superficial transplantation.
Being able to make an equivalence between newspapers and religion is very telling.
Apologies for not pleasuring you with a synchronous capitulation and surrender.
November 14th, 2007 at 2:10 pm
Joynal Ahmed
I am amazed at your full time effort in defending all the crimes of this illegal military government. I can sense that this is your current job description. You are doing good job and I am sure you will get a promotion or lucrative UN peacekeeping posting very soon.
November 14th, 2007 at 3:12 pm
I think censorship on US media is misleading. In a greater extent it might be true because only powerful few controls the media empire. But visibly, the restriction applies for embedded journalists to protect the troops and war plan. Other restrictions, like not publishing the photograph of dead bodies (soldiers) are continuously debated among media pundits. There is self restrain, but no shortage of reports, good and bad, about Iraq war.
November 14th, 2007 at 3:13 pm
Dear Mr Joynal Ahmed,
You say “If these politicians are easily cowed by alleged threats by the DGFI, are they really worthy of leading our people and country!?”
So who are those politicians not cowed by DGFI and thus worthy leading our people? I can see SK Hasina and Khaleda Zia should be two of them. Certainly not Saifur and Hafiz. So why does your so called saviors pushing them to lead? What is their interest to install these “unworthy leaders”? Certainly not the interest of the country.
About Paribar Tantra, How many of these advisors are relatives? Have you forgotten all the relatives of MUA, Trust bank, and Jago Bangladesh. So to eliminate elected paribartantra, we need unelected, unaccountable paribartantra!!
You also say “The politicians have used the police, judiciary and other institutions to supress dissent, punish their opponents and amass black money.” So its time for our military, they are out of power for last 15 years — too long given their track record!!! we know what they can do to our country - remember Ershad!
You will definitely say — These people are diffrent. Look here http://www.e-bangladesh.org/2007/11/10/we-are-all-nur-hossain/#more-274 how similar they are.
November 14th, 2007 at 6:44 pm
Dear Rumi# I will just ignore your comment as your full time effort is being used to criticize anyone who dares to rule the country except Hasina and Khaleda. ( My comment is quite meaningless and so was yours)
Dear Iqo,
You have realy answered your own question regardig Khaleda and Hasina. These two lady’s are so thick that even after taking the country to the verge of civil war they refused to change their ways. They refuse to change no matter what!!! They are such super humans that while others are scared to death of the DGFI Khaleda, Hasina, Tarique, Falu, Babar, Moudud, Nasim are the martyrs and refuse to be cowed by the DGFI. Which planet are we on?
Who do you think appointed the advisers? Did the army pick them or Fakhruddin. You claim that army is running the show, so why are you so worried about the advisers?
The trust bank story is a non-story. Only people like Sajib Wazed Joy find any conspiracy in the whole matter.
November 14th, 2007 at 7:53 pm
Ugh…. fugstar, no one is drawing an equivalence between religion and newspapers. I’m drawing an equivalence between the methods you use to discredit the press, and the methods others use to discredit religion. Both stem from an illogical dislike towards each institution rather than a well-thought out argument against each.
If you’re too emotionally involved in this topic to see that, then I’m worried.
As I’ve said before, if you have a problem with the primacy of the free press, get a blog and please suggest (in English or Bangla, I don’t speak faux-postmodern Urdulish) an alternative model with which we can curtail corruption in the system and still ensure growth and equity. I suggest a free press based on the assumption that human beings are rational utility maximisers.
So chalk out such an alternative plan to end corruption, and we’ll take you seriously. Otherwise you’re just here being a nuisance by poking holes into other people’s hardworks and doing nothing of your own.
AND LASTLY fugstar, breaking someone’s legs is NOT “training” them to write better. No nuance there from you.
“capitulation” and “surrender”? Is even an attempt at disengagement seen as a war or a War perhaps? Get some perspective.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:05 am
Dear Joynal Ahmed,
Could you please comment on #45. I haven’t got any reaonable respond to that. I hope you can give some insight what makes present govt immune to vice of power.
The trust bank is not Joy’s issue anymore. It is a well documented case of deception. If you can clarify the inconsistencies reported here http://www.e-bangladesh.org/2007/10/21/in-denial-moeen-u-ahmed/ that will be a great service to MUA.
November 15th, 2007 at 5:22 am
Dear Iqo,
The fact that you qoute e-bangladesh.com speak volumes about your beliefs, values and affiliation.
I for one stopped reading e-bangladesh ages ago, as I find the reporting on the site to be highly biased, unsubstantiated and speculative. (admins please don’t purge my comment and respect my freedom of expression).
I am going to bed now and will comment on #45 tomorrow.
Thanks.
November 15th, 2007 at 6:56 am
Joynal
I am surprised moderators have not yet noticed how you are flooding this honored blog site with your DGFI propaganda trash!
Listen, what Dr Iqbal/Joynal Hazari was to Awami league, Nasir uddin Pintu/Barkatullah Bhulu/Naser Rahmnan to BNP, you and your cohorts are same to this outlaw government.
This government has gagged peoples’ rights and speech, hundreds of thousands of people have been jailed without any iota of any charge, opposition politicians are being tortured, harrassed, their business have been destroyed in the name of anti corruption drive simply because they refused to become cheerleader of their activities.
Have you noticed how shamelessly this government, in collussion with the election commission and intelligence agencies, is patronizing a turncoat fraction of a party? I can’t believe on what face they can totally ignore all the words they have told us all these days. You lecture us about all the Al-BNP thugs. Nabiullah Nabi of Demra epitomizes one such thug. Today, he was shoulder to shoulder, hand in hand with 400 strong police force to guard the government sponsored fraction of BNP. This single incident is enough to remove the last bit of trust anyone may have left on this government.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:09 pm
Dear Joynal,
I understand that you do not like e-bangladesh, that doesn’t automatically make its reporting “unsubstantiated and speculative”. Particularly the reporting on trust bank issue. I can see, it refers to all official documents available online. So far MUA’s response to it is “unsubstantiated and speculative”, as I can see he is contradicting the official, audited documents with his verbal claim. As MUA said he is willing to disclose the info if SOMEONE want it, why don’t you get the documents from him and show us how fraudulent the Trust Bank Audit reports are. We all really want to keep our TRUST in our financial institution. If they have broken it we want to know that too! If you can do it, it will be a great service to MUA and all trust bank customer and shareholders. I will be waiting for your “substantiated and nonspeculative” response.
November 15th, 2007 at 3:25 pm
Comennt #64
So if someone is cowed by DGFI, they are not worthy leaders; someone is not cowed, they are “thick super human”. That exclude all civillian politician - our only hope is then DGFI’s parents the Military???? Nice logic!!!!
By the way don’t throw us the civil war rhetoric. It was also used many times by military to grab power all over the world. Even Gen Nasim used it unsuccessfully - there was no civil war in 1996.
November 20th, 2007 at 3:14 pm
রেফঃ ৬৬,৬৭,৬৯ ও ৭০#
জয়নাল আহমেদের মতো লোকদের চোখে আঙ্গুল গুঁতা দিয়ে দেখালে ও উনারা কিচ্চু দেখবেন না, তাই ইকো কে অনুরোধ করবো জয়নাল আহমেদের এর জন্য সময় নষ্ট না করতে।
November 20th, 2007 at 8:18 pm
Joynal
You have a super energy. I really don’t know if you get any award for this from your God Father or not.
Now Kindly show me some proof against your Blanket comment-
“The trust bank story is a non-story. Only people like Sajib Wazed Joy find any conspiracy in the whole matter.”
I like to give you open Challenge on this comments. Just prove it . dear Admin and reader kindly note it down.
Now I am referring your this comments-
“I for one stopped reading e-bangladesh ages ago.”
Ans: Great It is really the good news for the readers of E-BD.
November 23rd, 2007 at 3:47 am
RE # 72
Simple.
Trust bank is an army concern. The executive postions are determined by ranks within the army.
I am quite surpries at your naivity.
Read the below article and then let us readers know which part of the article you have issues with:
http://nation.ittefaq.com/issues/2007/10/21/news0876.htm
Just saying new nation is owned by Mainul and family will not suffice.
November 23rd, 2007 at 1:21 pm
It is quite hard to believe that a bank will disclose someone’s loan details on their website. Hence, one can easily raise the question of the authenticity of the online link of the loan details of General Moin U Ahmed. If rest of the army person’s loan details are available on Trust bank website then people may buy the online information about MUA’s loan.
November 23rd, 2007 at 8:21 pm
Joynal after your heard effort You provide me this link and the funny statements of Moeen and his famous denial.
so what do you want to prove by
“Trust bank is an army concern. The executive postions are determined by ranks within the army”
So Is it any extra ordinary thing?
Just I am again asking you prove the logic
behind your this blanket comments
“The trust bank story is a non-story. Only people like Sajib Wazed Joy find any conspiracy in the whole matter”
If you can’t prove, Just shut up and don’t waste the time of bloggers.
November 24th, 2007 at 2:22 am
Journey you are going around in a circle. Please don’t be like Khaleda, Hasina and Tarique and ask people to shut up on a public blog. You have every right to pass judgement on my comment but don’t try to muffle my opinion.
You raised the question of Moeen taking a loan from Trust bank and I just quoted a link which points to Moeen’s rebuttal, regarding his loan, which to me was quite satisfactory.
Moeen U. Ahmed is the chairman of Trust bank through his rank as the army chief.
These were the two issues raised regarding Moeen’s relationship with the trust bank and I have tried to explain why the issues are “non-story”.
You will not be convinced of the facts even if they hit you with the force of cyclone SIDR, so this will be my last comment on this thread and as always you can have the last word :-).
November 24th, 2007 at 8:05 am
Joynal Shaheb,
the fact that Moin U Ahmed is in trust bank by deputation is a non issue and old news. I didn’t need to read New Nation for this. Perhaps you can clear some of the confusion that the General never did.
http://www.drishtipat.org/blog/2007/10/28/the-confusions-general-moeen-u-ahmed-need-to-clear/
November 24th, 2007 at 9:33 am
Joynal,
To be very honest it is not vice to stop propaganda machines like you. I asked three times to prove logic but you never come with any specific statements. I think you don’t have any idea about freedom of speech. So don’t mix up propaganda with freedom of speech. I think you need to learn what is the definition of propaganda as well.
I don’t need to tell you shut up. Because when you are searching logic you have no other way to stop
in one point. At least I thank you that you can realize your position earlier:)