Thu 25 Oct 2007
Jamaat-e Islami met with Election Commission this week. While BNP/AL are falling apart and failing to even agree on the team to meet EC, JI are highest ranking political party to meet w/ EC. Prothom Alo reports JI will oppose the following conditions in EC’s draft constitution:
1. No political party can contest election if they discriminate on basis of religion, race, ethnicity, language or gender
2. Each political parties’ committee must have 33% women membership
[Image: Jamaat amir Matiur Rahman Nizami]
Jamaat’s delegation to EC are 8 members:
Mohammad Kamaruzzaman (senior secretary general, alleged 1971 war criminal)
Abdul Quader Molla (additional secretary)
ATM Azharul Islam (additional secretary)
Professor Mujibur Rahman (additional secretary)
Barrister Abdur Razzak (additional secretary)
Rafiqul Islam Khan (Dhaka Amir)
Jasimuddin Sarkar (Central committee member)
BDNews24.com also reported
Ali Ahsan Mujahid (9th member of team, or replacing someone? alleged 1971 war criminal.)
Unnamed Jamaat leader is quoted in Prothom Alo (23/10/07):
“Our state religion is Islam. Therefore you cannot place such conditions by constitution.”
Another Jamaat majlish e sura member told PA:
“Actually according to the constitution, secular or freedom-of-religion politics should be banned.”
Prothom Alo also reported that Jamaat plans to be “constructive” in EC meetings because “they are in good position.”
October 25th, 2007 at 6:55 am
As ordinary Citizen, during the war of liberation I used to hear from many that the “Mollahs” are siding with the army- I used to hear from many within the neighbours that they were scared not to go to their 0ffices when declaration was made that offices would open and all Govt.employees must attend- people hated because they had to experience sever misbehaviour from the army(Rajakars,Badrs etc)didnt come as yet– then later after a month they appeared together with the Militia Grey personnels–all over the country the same complain that these Razakars,Al-Badars,Al-Shams all mostly from the Biharis who were over enthused– thatb all Bangalis would be completely finished or sent to India–the area boys complained that while they understood Biharis to comply with Pakis –but why the Mollahs?? So I started asking some within the locality and all said that Army had informed the Islamic Foundation and Masjid Imams that Indians are within the City and they need be defeated and reference of the Agartala Conspiracy case was quoted. They didnt know who Nizami or names of seniors–but said some Jamati Islami from Pakistan also came and encouraged JI- then E.Pakistan to asist ARMy in routing out the ENEMY–They also said what can we do against ARMY who identifies all Bangalis as enemy Beard or no beard Mollah or plain person) all these info was collected by April(remember that Curfew was in force at times then and Army was very strict and trigger happy to shoot any- so couldnt investigate more) and then we heard from different places that many young people are crossingn over( May 1971)– then again wen heard that crossing was stopped as India arrested and put youngster in jails; but was discussing with world leaders about assistance- meanwhile the huge exhodus to India made the Authorities to realize that there was no alternative to help the refugees atleast-politcal assistance will be deterred.
In July/August we heard a rumour that Baluch Regiment who were brought to then EPakistan revolted– overpowered the army at old airport and flew off to w.Pak in defiance of orders because they dicovered that dead bodies were those of Muslims and only a few were those of hindus–so they revolted because they didnt want to be killers of Muslim brothers- How true that is I could never ascertain.
0ne fact was clear that nobody rfrom the public knew what excactly was happening but YES candelstine Radio then in operation helped a lot to understand.
Now we have never heard of Golam Azam Nizami etc n jamaat was an organisation to enhance the quranic education— didnt get politically involve till the war of 1971.
Now the Politicans,journalists etc knew all about their activities so why they didnt arrange cases against them– specially of those whose taped actions are there n they r hidingn in UK etc- Why Hasina after return didnt take actions–only made speeches. only these people could make the cases and provide the proof which an ordinary citizen cannot do. Why didnt they???
Another story that made the rounds after Independence is that when Late Mujibur Rahman was released he flew to Uk where he was within closed doors informed by International High ups who arranged his release — that there was ENOUGH BLOOOD shed in form of hate or revenge and that it must stop and that all Army Pakis ahould be set free and AMNESTY decl;ared if Late Mujib hoped for recognition and International Aid without which he couldnt possibly run the country.
In India he joined Indira on the Platform to voice support for Indira,thank her too– thus Indira whose popularity declined got support and won Elections.– All wants to benefit from 1971 episode.
Surprize was waiting till 1972 or 1973 that Late Mujin went to Pakistan and stood in the same podium hand in hand with Zulfiqar Bhuitto the Man responsible so much BLOODSHED here— wow and we all are complaining about Jamat.
Hasina returns and who des she visitn in Moghbazar– GOLAM AZAM– danger man who killed raped etc.
Then she and JI support Ershad and goes for Election–she n JI on opposition.
The rest abt their entry to Politics is known.
NOW I want to know that after 36 years if there is some chnace would those who know and have proof of their activities-PROOF is required in courts-would they initiate cases and will that hold grounds????? They will also defend no doubt.
If the cases fail can we socially organize to bring to attention of all Citizens of their exact crimes-????? who will bell the cat?? Freedom fighters, Freedom Journalists– it must be done in series in newspapers, Tv shows–to get wide publicity-?? CAN any taken this up????
October 25th, 2007 at 8:36 am
#Phantom
There are many previously unexplored footages of evidence like these. All we need is proper online and offline archives of the liberation war. This can also be done using open source collaborative projects like Wiki.
October 25th, 2007 at 8:44 am
So you guys only hate one of the eight, with the passion, for the other 7 its just ideological right? JI making a point (possibly scoring a 6 you say) must nessesarily equal you losing position in the field.
Might i remind you that the BNP and the AL are the most powerful parties in bangladesh. In this game of procedure it is beneficial to have the last word to the EC (or whoever).
This is about rules and system design. in the absence of actual reform content, people bring up these games, i think its quite low. No i dont eat babies for brekfast.
Point 1 seems ambiguous, quite possibly a poke at Political Islam.
Point 2 seems particularly thick, donor and dhaka driven. A 1/3 female membership condition… wow how empowering! I mean we wouldn’t want to promote the idea of joining a party with your family … and of getting your female family involved to make up the numbers … i mean … what if they took power!
Most folks familiar with practical logic would object to something so superficial. I’m all for quality female leadership in reality, not lame tickbox strategy. Its more to do with practice and recognition in practice of merit.
I’m really intrigued by what is actually said in the EC chamber. I think the peoples collective ears will prick up upon hearing what they have to say. Quite possibly something really creative that will penetrate the much harsher treatment accorded to their utterances by our famously balanced and rational press. Up until now parties have been boring and predictable. And after all, aren’t these the folks that came up with the CTG idea to resolve the deadlock in the beginning?
The worst thing about this method of data collection is that the requirements for new party formation are being made difficult as they are defined by the established parties who went through their formative stages 1, 2 or 3 generations ago, when the political field wasnt so crowded and full of rubbish people, ugly in both mind, body and soul.
October 25th, 2007 at 4:45 pm
All the talk of human right, free press and innocent until proven guilty, does not matter much in terms of enemy and some just drop the hat of neutrality and pickup the flag of anti… Probably, it is a little naive to expect neutrality when it comes to Islam, Muslim or Islamic politics.
It is a shame to post comments for ‘hearsay’. Prothom Alo was writing under the assumption and admitted in the same column that Jamat will not discuss anything until they finish talking to CEC. Talk didn’t start until the next morning.
Calling Kamaruzzaman an alleged war criminal shows how mindless this charge was. One might wander how long a person could be alleged criminal? No one will bring a charge but will continue to be called a criminal is itself a violation of human rights.
One should be mindful of the rights of everyone if so wishes to be a champion of it. All criminal should be punished but no one should be charged of a crime until proven guilty.
According to BBC, Jamat did not oppose any of those two conditions. Jamat probably is able to fulfill these conditions. About a year ago, Janakhanta reported that some minorities in Firozpur 2 constituency will vote for Delowar Hossain Sayedee. In an interview, Jamat General Secretary, Mujahid, boosted on fielding minority candidates in some constituencies.
[Moderator Note: Unsubstantiated allegation against another human rights group deleted]
As for women, Jamat has a strong women wing. They call it Mohila Jamat (Women Jamat), which is under the direct control of Amir of Jamat. Mohila Jamat has a Secretariat and a Su’ra council. They are as powerful in decision making as their male counterparts.
People have a lot of unknowns and fear about Jamat since they are unlike other conventional organizations. They are a wonder to many and should find out to understand how they tick. One might encounter well if knows enemies well. It would be a losing case against Jamat, unless learned about them.
October 25th, 2007 at 8:09 pm
http://www.nybangla.com/Muktijoddho/Muzahid/Ali%20Ahsan%20Mohammed%20Mujahid_JB.pdf
October 26th, 2007 at 1:35 am
Gender issue:
One-third of party members will be from women. It seems little wishful thinking. Whereas 50% of total population is female, 33% of members would be female, is it not too high a ratio.
If we do a survey would we able to find this high number of female participation in any country of the world including the most free liberal ones like the USA,UK etc? What %age of senators, congress-members or MPs are female in those countries! I have no data though, my best educated guess is, %age of female participation in politics in those is far less than 33%.
If that 33% quota is to be fullfiled then goverment must enact new rules for compulsory political participation by females. otherwise, voluntary participation can’t even guarntee 5% members from female.
Trial of War-criminals:
When we demand trial of war criminals we mix up war-criminals with anti-liberation activists. Those didn’t supported the liberatioin of the then East Pakistan and supported Pakistan and worked as pro-pakistani activists, without perpetrating war-crimes I don’t think they did any serious crime to be tried for. Infact, our liberation war had started at 25th and we got Independence on 16th December. So, literally those who opposed Bangladesh before 16th December, 1971 we can’t say them enemy of Independence or Bangladesh becuase before that day no body was sure in practical sense whether it was part of Pakistan and independent Bangladesh. So just for opposing the concept of independent Bangladesh before 16th December, doesn’t make anybody criminal. This is my opinion despite being a passionate teen organizer of Liberation war.
If we believe in freedom of speech, if any body opines that liberation was wrong, I don’t see any grave offense in expressing his or her free views. After Independence of Pakistan and India from British rule, and even many held the view and continues to say that concept of two-nation theory was wrong. Many now argues, independence of Bangladesh has proven that two-nation theory was wrong. So who opposed the idea of Independent Pakistan and India were no way wrong and they can’t be held criminal. Rather, they can be appreicated for their vision. So, just opposing any politcical views or theory, be it the question of independence is not crime worthy of trial.
Thanks.
October 26th, 2007 at 1:58 am
Dhaka, Oct 25 (bdnews24.com) - Jamaat-e-Islami Thursday said there was no anti-liberation force or war criminal in the country and doubted the polls would be held in time.
“There is no war criminal in Bangladesh. Only 191 war criminals of the Pakistan Army were identified and the Awami League government had granted amnesty to them,” the party’s secretary general Ali Ahsan Mohammad Mujahid said in a dialogue with the EC.
“There is no anti-liberation force in the country, either. The January 22 election was forestalled because some parties had made irresponsible remarks about the issues,” he added.
Asked what the role of Jamaat was during the 1971 war, he avoided a direct reply. “You find that out and evaluate.”
Earlier, Quader Siddiqui-led Krishak Sramik Janata League, Ganotantri Party, Jatiya party (Monju) and JSD (Rob) during their talks with the EC demanded disqualification of the anti-liberation forces and war criminals including the Jamaat.
Mujahid said that the slow progress of EC work put implementation of its election roadmap in doubt.
He said political parties should be allowed to run with the election symbols they had traditionally used.
Both the Awami League and BNP recently called on the EC to disallow Jamaat-e-Islami from using the scales of justice as its election symbol.
Mujahid proposed that the voter registration with photographs be completed by next June through increased cooperation of members of the armed forces, teachers, Imams of mosques as well as members of the Ulema.
He also called for steps to remove ‘fear’ among politicians and involve the media in election publicity work in a bigger way.
On registration of political parties, he said the EC should adopt a more liberal policy. Any party willing to contest the election should be given the opportunity to be registered at least this time.
Chief election commissioner ATM Shamsul Huda, and two commissioners M Shakhawat Hossain and Sahul Hossain sat on the first day of talks with Jamaat-e-Islami.
Jamaat leaders Delwar Hossain Saidee, Muhammad Qamaruzzaman, Abdul Quader Mollah, ATM Azharul Islam and Abdur Razzak were present in the talks.
Reporters also attend the discussions between political parties and the EC on electoral reforms, which began Sep 12.
October 26th, 2007 at 4:12 pm
#4 - the reason people say “alleged war criminal” is because it is precisely that - an allegation made by a threshold above a critical mass, but one that has not been universally accepted or tried with verdict passed.
This is not parlour room gossip about what Moeen might have said to Joy in Boston or what Tareq may have had in his suitcase when visiting Saudi. This is about 9 long months from when there is ample and consistent evidence from newspapers, audio recordings of public statements, oral testimony and eye witness accounts.
Gholam Azam spent 6 years after the “fall of Dhaka” and the “separation of East Pakistan” campaigning throughout the Middle East and Muslim countries with the slogan “Bangladesh Na Manzoor”, appealing to heads of state to withold or withdraw recognition and aid (remember the famine in 1974?). Yet there were apparently no anti-liberation forces.
I have more respect for the perpsective of those who at least admit what they did (even if they couch it in terms of “such things happens in war”) and boldly declare “Ekattore kichu bhul kori nai” rather than perpetuate the preposterous.
Let’s also separate the issue of political Islam from war crminials and 1971. Much of the genuine hostility to Jamaat (rather than power politics of keeping them out of the next election to clear the playing field) comes not from it’s political or ideological stance today, but for its role in 1971 and its refusal to acknowledge and apologize for complicity in genocide and other war crimes.
If a University dean is in jail for allegedly encouraging a student protest, why can an alleged war criminal walk free?
October 26th, 2007 at 5:06 pm
abuwardha #4
Your comments make a lot of sense. More than 35 years have passed since the War of Liberation. Yet we still keep calling the Jamaat leaders war criminals. What right have we to malign them when there has been no finding of guilt by any court of law? I am all for punishment for perpetrators of war cromes and justice for the victims.
If indeed these guys are guilty of war crimes, why the hell hasnt any govt (since 1972) formed a war crimes tribunal and framed appropriate legislation to try them?
And its not like that the Jamaat leaders have been absconding for the last 30 years. They are out there right in front of us appearing befor the media and serving as Ministers of the govt. It is ridiculous not to take any action against them and at the same time to keep calling them war criminals or ‘alleged war criminals’.
October 26th, 2007 at 5:10 pm
At the risk of having my comment deleted, may I point out that if the moderator thought it proper to delete abuwardha’s ‘unsubstantiated’ allegation against a human rights group, how come he/she went on to make the unsubstantiated allegation in his/her post that Kamruzzan was a war criminal. Double standards!!
October 26th, 2007 at 7:54 pm
abuwardha #4
Right after independence, Awami league GOVT tried to put the war criminals on trial.
from today’s daily star
[Only the government of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman took some initiatives to try the war criminals.
In January, 1972, Bangabandhu had formulated the Collaborators Act to try the collaborators and war criminals. The Act covers those individuals or organisations, who helped the Pakistani army in mass killings, conducted crimes against humanity, unleashed torture on men, women and children, destroyed property, or fought against the People's Republic of Bangladesh siding with the occupying forces. It also explained how 11 tribunals would be set up to punish them.
There is a view prevalent among a section of people that asking for trial of war criminals is irrelevant as the Awami League government had granted a general amnesty for all. This was said time and again that none pardoned Pakistani war criminals.
The Collaborators Act that was published in a gazette notification on November 30, 1973 however says none of the war criminals had been pardoned. The same was true for Golam Azam.
Section two of the Act said, "Those who were punished for or accused of rape, murder, attempt to murder or arson will not come under general amnesty under the section one."
Out of 37,000 sent to jail on charges of collaboration, some 26,000 were freed after announcement of the general amnesty.
Around 11,000 were still in the prison when the government of Justice Sayem and General Zia repealed the Collaboration Act on December 31, 1975. After the scrapping, those behind bars for war atrocities appealed and eventually got released.]
It was general Zia who rehabilitated war criminals and his wife made them ministers in her cabinet.Most of the war criminals fled from Bangladesh after the war ended but came back after 1975.
“Calling Kamaruzzaman an alleged war criminal shows how mindless this charge was. One might wander how long a person could be alleged criminal? No one will bring a charge but will continue to be called a criminal is itself a violation of human rights.”
kamruzzaman was a notorious razakar and there are evidences of his misdeeds during our liberation war. People who witnessed the genocide are still alive. I know about KAmruzzaman from people who directly know him and witnessed his activities during 1971.however, someone should contact Amnesty international to tell that grave human rights violation is taking place against Razakars in independent Bangladesh.
bitterboy #6,
war criminals are those who directly helped pakistan army in massacre, looting and raping women. there were people during liberation war who did not want the break up of Pakistan but they were not involved in killing and raping of bengalis.Go-Azam-Nizami-Mujahid gang were directly involved with Pakistan army in killing bengalis.we do not call them war crimianls just for opposing Bangladesh, we call them war crimminals because they killed our friends and relatives, our brothers and sisters during our liberation war.
October 26th, 2007 at 11:27 pm
#8 & 10
It is not so easy to convince post ’71 generation to believe stories of ‘alleged war criminals’. Be practical. No one likes to see this allegation game to go on. But, some people only seek the calling right of ‘alleged war criminal.’
AL tried to prosecute war criminals with the Collaborators Act, but could not finish the job due to lack of evidence. Without prosecution those arrested became the numbers of victim by Awami Regime. Instead of set the alleged criminals free, they are just happy with the name calling and bragging rights.
Leftists are good for nothing. They are talking away to extinction. How could someone bring up the issue of war criminals and banning Islamic parties at the same time? Many Bangladeshis belief that politic is a part in Islamic faith and the demand to banned Islamic parties is a conspiracy against Islam. What is a foolish mistake by the hipper active leftist corner?
People like Shahriar Kabir are working very hard to bring criminals to justice. But they are no closer to file any charge against them. Why? Because, they don’t have any prosecution worthy evidence ready to bring charge. None of the evidence at their disposal would hold water in the court of law. His work is just a compilation of news paper cutting. 36 years is a long time. Some might say these researchers are working on wages. That could be only excuse on their side. Soon, the opportunity to prosecute war criminals would lose for ever. What are going on worse then parlor room gossips? Probably, it is a case of ‘make belief.’
Crying over the success of Jamatis is not smart. It shows how uninformed one is about Bangladesh. Once someone studies Jamat will know how tirelessly they work to get there. They have earned it by outsmarting all talkative over jealous leaders and organizations. Please give some credit to Jamat.
Secularists think they own Bangladesh and often like to compare with Jamat of what they got. It just shows a primitive mindset. Everyone used to say it at the young age. For grown up, it doesn’t look good. Justice is blind in Bangladesh now. One might not used to it. If proven in the court of law, no one is above the law, neither professors nor the greatest leaders.
Thanks
October 27th, 2007 at 12:08 am
Moderator, it appears you have gone on a ‘censorship spree’ - my comments have not been ‘moderated’ yet.
Anyway, may I take this opportunity to point out yet another error in your post. The persons you identified as ‘Additional Secretaries’ in your post are actually ‘Assistant Secretary Generals’ of Jamaat.
October 27th, 2007 at 1:31 am
Borosha,
I’m not anyway sympathesizer of Jamat. But I try to protest wrong or go after the truth as best as I can do.
What the so called pro-liberation secularists or Ghaatok-Dalal Nirmul under the umbrella of AWL has been doing is just trying to incriminate or put down the Islamic groups who have the political potentials, nothing else, any more or less. If any other new clean islamic party come up strong they will do the same and go after that with the same allegation calling them rajaker-albadar. I was very much involved with that war as pro-liberation force and one of the keenest observers of the political events pre and post independence.
Jamat islami was not the major anti-liberation auxillary force of barbaric Paksitani army. The first and the major groups were Shanti-bahini and Rajakers who belongs to Muslim Leagues and non-political low-class common people who just joined the them for share the booties and lootings to change their lot very vile easy way.
Jamat involvement was not prominent except in the last part of the war and jamat was not strong political force in the then-east pakistan. But the leftist secular ideologists were afraid of them becuase of their strong arduous islamic ideological stand all through. That’s why Mr. Aga Chowdhury as per his own column, once, few years before our independece, suggested to Sheik Mujib that in no way Jamati Islami politics should be allowed to get root in East Pakistan and he advised late Sheik Mujib to prevent Moududi’s scheduled visit to East Pakistan and disrupt public meeting of Moududi at Dhaka. This proves that opposition of liberation was not their crime, rather staying in the political field with full potential in post-indepentdent Bangladesh was their main crime. If they have been like oblibionized muslim league, today, no body would have gone after Golam-Nizami-Mujahid.
With still scores of surviving rajakers/muslim leaguers like Abdur Rahman Bisshwas, Abdul Alim, we now see the name of Golam-Nizam-AlMujahid of Jamat as war-criminals. This is again another testimony we are not going after war-criminals just we are after the Jamat.
Moreover, once Zohra Tajuddin of Awami League filed a law-suit against Golam with the accusation of killing a great hero martyr of liberation war Mr. Serajul Islam[OC of Mirpur Thana before the start of liberation war] and his nine-grade student son Kamal. But the case was squashed. So while you can’t prove Golam’s case how could you prove that of his activists. We are beating around the bush without real good for anybody of nation.
Moreover, we everybody accept they rajakers, albadars, al-shamsh etc were the collaborators, helper or accomplices. Actual culprits were Yahya and Bhutto and their military. Ironically, Sheik Mujib had to pardon 195 savage war-criminals. Not only that Shiek Mujib has given red-carpet gala reception to the #1 criminal, late Mr. Bhutto at Dhaka. And Sheik Mujib himself was received at Lahore airport by another blood-haunt gen. Tikka Khan. Now, we have been for about 4 decades fighting for the trial of the accoplices. It’s just shame!
Those who are very vocal about their trial were in powers for two terms but they didn’t bother with the issue.
The dead issue is time and again brought to the forefront by the few for muddling the political abmience just for ill-political gain.
Thanks.
October 27th, 2007 at 5:41 am
abuwardha #11
“It is not so easy to convince post ’71 generation to believe stories of ‘alleged war criminals’”
I am from post ‘71 generation and I do not believe in stories, I believe in fact.
“AL tried to prosecute war criminals with the Collaborators Act, but could not finish the job due to lack of evidence”
I have already mentioned that it was General Zia who repealed the collaboartion act and this is how war criminals are free now.
“Many Bangladeshis belief that politic is a part in Islamic faith and the demand to banned Islamic parties is a conspiracy against Islam.”
As you have brought Islam here, you should also know about what Islam says about criminals who are involved in killing people and raping women. Actually people who are trying to protect the war criminals are against Islam.
Relating jamat to a great religion like Islam is the real conspiracy against Islam.
Nijami told that ” Bangla Bhai is media’s creation”, later this “media created” terrorist was put on trial and hanged.Nijami is a liar and a liar like Nijami is the real enemy of Islam.
“His work is just a compilation of news paper cutting”
If we talk here about war criminal like Yahia and General Niazi, evidences of their war crimes will be in form of different news and articles published during 1971 and different books written by those who have witnessed the genocide in 1971.
Shariar Kabir atleast has newspaper cutting and Nijamis photo’s with PAkistani generals,
has some well written books( some of them by Pakistanis) as evidences. You can show us evidences that Nijami and Mujahid did not aid the pak army in killing and looting.
“Crying over the success of Jamatis is not smart. It shows how uninformed one is about Bangladesh”
I admit that I am not as smart as JAmatis,
but to think that people who do not support jamat are not “well informed” about Bangladesh is not a smart thing to do.
“Please give some credit to Jamat.”
Sorry, cannot give credit to war criminals and liars.
Bitterboy #12,
If shiekh Mujib and all post-independence Govt fail at someting, that does not mean that we have to fail again.
“Jamat involvement was not prominent except in the last part of the war”
Atleast you have agreed that jamat had some “involvement”, though jamat leaders are denying that right now.
Its a shame that the Blood-thirsty pakistani generals and Bhutto were not put on trial but it would be more shameful if we fail again and cannot put Nijami-Mujahid gang on trial.
political parties may talk about war criminals to fulfill their politiacl ambition but people who lost their relatives and friends are not crying for any ill-political gain, they are crying for justice.
October 27th, 2007 at 11:35 am
I think people actually “love” the positions they take in this matter and use them to define themselves and propagate their definition to drown out others. Such certainty is poisonous and makes a fair trial and examination of the conduct of both armies and militias difficult.
With a vocabulary as symbolically powerful as genocide, denial and holocaust, those who question can be angrily takfired and the sanctity of the period continually reconstructed. Behind the anger and circulation of facts there is a failure of vision amongst the allies of the project.
The quoted newspaper remarks make sense if you squint and consider that JIB thought they were the liberation force and saw the transitional demands of the AL as harmful to the public interest. What a wonderful switzerland we do live in.
It might be worth while getting out of the intellectual ghettoes of the west and of bangladesh to observe what self perception is. If you folks speak to patriotic people, say from turkey or iran, they dont beleive the ‘facts’ constructed about them, they beleive in their own pasts from their own points of view. If they have spine and dignity, they speak to you through their own terms. Likewise several sets of bangladeshis still exist with views that deviate from the ’status quo’.
The difference in NewAge and DS coverage has me confused. both have status quo views on the matter, but DS went out and out to totally miss the self perception point and relate that people from all walks of life that jamat and blame them for national intellectual depravation and war losses.
Future generations might find this generation to be cheap in its exploitation and reproduction of death and destruction, interpreting the level of understanding (but abundance of information) as that of of doomed lemmings.
Borsha,
It’s hard to distinguish those who have lost from the politics. Its undeniable that loss is a motivation to do a kind of politics. Victimhood is the fundamental building bloc of more than a few ideologies. Losing people has a practical logic of its own (see the letter of the wife of the Late MP Kibria).
Exact, precise and credible chains of narration are lacking in cases against the non conformist ideological enemies of this status quo. Where there are cast iron proofs and evidences found. I think the law of Qisas might be useful.
I just dont trust the present chains of narration, knowing what i do of the mode of information circulation in the society, the distorting political field and the ideological baggage of the nirmul committee.
October 27th, 2007 at 2:28 pm
Borsa, one should be delighted to know that some people still believe in facts. Yet it is not so easy to get necessary facts to get a true history. AL did try to prosecute thousands of people by ‘Collaborators Act’ and kept them in custody for years without any trial or factual charges. Zia did not have any choice.
Justice should be everyone’s business. It is the motivation that in question. There is no doubt that siding with criminal is un-Islamic, but challenging the motivation of postponement or delayed justice is Islamic.
Everyone knows that prosecution is possible with credible evidence. One should wonder if any truth in those evidences what stops the criminal proceedings. Even self-admission might not be good enough evidence to prosecute someone, let alone some isolated handshake pictures. No one should try to defend any side, but should be interested in justice only.
Challenging brain matter was not the intention, only tried to point out the advancement Jamat made in adversity. People should give them credit for it and learn from it.
October 29th, 2007 at 2:30 pm
The very sight of criminal golam azam and killer nizami wages war instincts in me
They killed my sister
They raped my aunt
They slaughtered the innocent
The hired goons from hell
The venomous snakes from the viper’s pit
The sick cursed bastards amidst rotting corpses
Let lose a reign of terror in my holy land
They drenched my soil with the blood of my fellow countrymen
They disposed the physical remains of the best and brightest of my land to rot in wastelands
But the immortal souls now laugh at those bearded god-damned killer mollahs
The killers struck again in August, 1975
The killers again attempted to carry out the unfinished job at Bangabandhu Avenue a few years back
The killers are unrepentent
The killers are protected and aided at home and abroad by forces that opposed Bangladesh’s creation
But killers cannot go unpunished
History has never allowed it
History abhors the killers as much as the immortal and unsung heroes of our glorious War of Independence
TRY THE KILLERS ASAP! OR ELSE LEAVE THE SCENE BY RESTORING DEMOCRACY ASAP!
The Nation has waited long enough for the final show to begin
LET THE TRIAL OF THE CENTURY BEGIN!!