Thu 30 Aug 2007
As the CTG govt suffers in identity crisis, in stead of getting caught up in the label, if we look at the component in the government, something interesting will appear. A few months ago, we discussed this in the blog which resulted in an op-ed in Daily Star. One of the telling lines of the article was this:
Elitist politics of the top-down variety not only leads to bad governments, but more importantly, it could lead to populist backlashes that produce equally bad — if not worse — governments, since succeeding regimes have popular mandates but few institutions where the information flows from the bottom to the top. That is, we feel, a good description of the kind of governments we had for the last 16 years.
At the thread, Mahmud Farooque exploring the elite of the elites who are calling the shots had this to say:
…my frustration with the elite of the elites is that I have found them to be mostly followers and not leaders. Their education and training allows them to manage well only under steady state conditions. They generally come up with brilliant analysis only after the fact when anomalies, good and bad, occur. They are generally risk averse but power hungry. A Korean analyst once told me that had their leaders listened to the WB-types, they would still be counting on planting rice to grow out of poverty. In our case, contrast the performance of our garments sector, where WB had limited role, with the jute, energy or the IT sector, where it had been a major driver.
… taking my past frustrations into account, I try but cannot gather sufficient confidence in the abilities of the current group of “managers” to separate them from my generalized observations and believe that they will be able to master the creativity, imagination, and entrepreneurship necessary to dig us out of the hole we find ourselves in at the moment. In addition to the political crisis, we have a looming power and inflation crisis at hand that continues to inflict heavy toll on the most economically and socially vulnerable, about which the CTG still hasn’t been able to come up with an effective response.

picture of some of our super elites courtesy of Daily Star
The above was written 3 months ago. Now we are seeing the consequence of some of the policy debacle. Forget the social and political implications of their policy changes which are not quantifiable, purely on the economic point of view the future looks grim. As bdnews24 points out today economic growth appears to have slowed down, and excluding the hope of a crop bonanza after the floods, major indicators point to tension rather than relief in the near future.
What’s worse is that on top of these bad policy makings by the ellites, spectre of a military rule is in full display. Typical to military fashion in stead of addressing the root cause, dissentions are met with iron hand. Perhaps those in the power chain who decided to show their iron fist, could also listen to the BBC Sanglap which addresses the unrest. This is what was needed — a sanglap, a national dialogue between all parties. Could we not even count on these super elites to show this much creativity?
Military is doing what it does best — it is showing command politics. They are beating the apology out of protestors, journalists and teachers for last week’s trauma. But what are our elite of the elites and civilians inside the government doing? Sucking thumbs or feeling good about themselves thinking they know best and we should have absolute trust in their ability to take us to that magic land. Well, if Dr. Yunus, the now discredited and humiliated NGO messiah turned politician-wannna-be, had any say, that’s exactly what he wants us to do. Could they not take an initiative to turn things around towards reconciliation and do a self introspection? A friend put it quite harshly the other day, “If military comes and beats the hell out of me today, I am not going to have a single thing to say to them, but I will get a gun and shoot these civil society bastards”.
You can read about the Sanglap here and also suggest listening to the whole thing in the BBC site.
Update An update on the apology by teachers from Sanjeeb Hossain is here

August 30th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
The last rays of hope are gone
I float hopelessly in a zero g space
I am blindfolded and my hands are tied
I am growled and howled at
I an intimidated; I am silenced
I am beaten up; I am abused verbally and physically
I shiver bare in cold on a ice slab
I am stripped of my dignity
My freedom of speech is interned at the swirling inferno-like blackhole
While the rest of the so called champions of democracy legitimize illegitimacy
In spite of the looming gloom I cling on to a plank of wood hoping for the Big Bang to happen and the creation of intergalactic supernova of everlasting DEMOCRACY in BANGLADESH
August 30th, 2007 at 8:22 pm
What strikes me most is the current apathy among the elite, a hand-wringing, ‘tsk tst’ attitude, as if defending their own complicity in this sorry state of affairs. Words often used are “long-term goals over short-term”, “the rocky road to democracy”, etc., to justify the current abuse of power. Yesterday I was told that all the TV channels are now required to vet and ‘clear’ the running order of their news from DGDFI. An owner of a channel who did not comply with this was taken in blindfolded and tortured. The entire country has succumbed to coercion of one form or other. Worst of all, its all done for the sake of ‘democracy’. How much more Orwellian can it get ?
Farhad
August 30th, 2007 at 8:48 pm
Farhad Bha1 1#
The points which you have raised is the destiny of Bangladesh. I like Very much
your this “Rocky Road of democrecy concept.”
August 30th, 2007 at 11:55 pm
Picture caption ‘picture of the out of touch super elites courtesy of Daily Star’
Dr. Yunus - person who spent his life for the grass roots people of the country is a out of touch super elite ? Can someone please explain why so ?
August 31st, 2007 at 12:45 am
Tell you what, the true super elites of last 35 years are now locked up in the jail - where they have always belonged. Some people are offended with that, cause changes are uncomfortable — just as much for these so called politicians who has sucked the blood out of the nation for decades. They never thought this day was coming. The country needs ethnic cleansing - to get rid of the disease called corrupt politics. Hat’s off to whoever dared to take the steps.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:45 am
the “super elites” look like they are buying their clothes from goodwill or the salvation army! well, it makes me feel a little better about the CTG not pickpocketing the nation.
clam
August 31st, 2007 at 12:48 am
Ehtesham, this is a digression but having championed Yunus’ case in politics for a while, now I am so glad that he is not in politics. If you follow what he did and said in the last one year, you will know why I said he was out of touch with Bangladesh. Whether he can be considered an elite shushil, I am sure I won’t have to give you that answer. But let’s leave the discussion on Dr. Yunus and his prescriptions for another thread.
August 31st, 2007 at 12:54 am
Ehtesham,
this is a digression but having championed Yunus’ case in politics for a while, now I am so glad that he is not in politics. If you follow what he did and said in the last one year, you will know why I said he was out of touch with Bangladesh. Whether he can be considered an elite shushil, I am sure I won’t have to give you that answer. But let’s leave the discussion on Dr. Yunus and his prescriptions for another thread.
Asheque,
True. At least they are not stealing! But you know the government is no longer just those 11 people. Unfortunately, even if any of the extended government does any corruption, there is no way to know, is there?
We are stuck between rock and a hard place, bhai.
August 31st, 2007 at 1:56 am
1 Disillusioned: You cracked me up, good work. Hows about working towards improving HDI(Human Development Index) and taking it to top of the list for Bangladesh, instead of Democracy as the end goal, Democracy will become perfect as our population becomes more evolved. We cannot have everlasting democracy if 50% of our population are illiterate and 95% of the leaders are clueless. I try to beat this dead horse again and again, but it seems that the point is not getting across.
Once you have a growth rate of 8-10% like India or China, then I can promise you that for a flat small land like Bangladesh, which is already becoming networked really fast, it will not be impossible to even have direct democracy using bio-metric voting, for every little national issue. We may not even need MP’s representing us, if all of us are knowledgeable and can get vote on our own using our mobile-phone/pc. What is really the definition of democracy, I have mentioned one extreme, where there are no representatives, everyone, all adults will vote for every national issue and it will not be so hard to do in the future, but the key point is are people ready to make those decisions, even if we furnish them all information. It is really a balance and compromise on people’s ability and participation. If we are not in a position to participate on our own, we elect capable representatives that will supposedly act on our behalf. But if these elected representatives will have a tendency to stray from their duties, then we need additional safe-guards.
I believe in the wounded civilization concept of V.S. Naipaul (this is similar to my historical continuity concept). Most of the subcontinent still suffers from it, myself included, the result is shown in too much talk, emotionalism and sensationalism, and less action. India lucked out because it is too big to be unstable. When it comes to economic units (nation states, regional groups) size of population really makes a big difference.
6 Asif S.: About Dr. Yunus, I agree with you. He is not fit to be a national leader, perhaps an MP, but not the head of state. When I heard that he was working with Monsanto to introduce GM seeds utilizing Grameen Bank’s network to destroy the indigenous seed diversity of Bangladesh, that changed my mind about him, a leader of his stature should have known and studied the implications. Farhad Mazhar, I have heard, has given a stiff resistance to this attempt by setting up seed banks in different places of Bangladesh to protect the bio-diversity of indigenous seeds and prevent getting dependent on monsters like Monsanto.
August 31st, 2007 at 2:17 am
Correction: Asif S. post above is 7, not 6.
The following are links for Terminator Seed technology, its effects and opposition from farmers and environmentalist groups:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=ENG20060827&articleId=3082
http://www.converge.org.nz/lac/articles/news990314a.htm
Dr. Yunus’s mistake and Farhad Mazhar’s UBINIG:
http://www.pcdf.org/meadows/grameenbank.htm
August 31st, 2007 at 3:44 am
As a matter of curiosity, I have to wonder, how does anyone know that this government isn’t indulging in corruption? I think most of us really have no idea of the extent to which news is nowadays being censored in Banglades. A prime example would be the fact that apparently Abdul Gaffar Chowdhury, in a speech a few days ago at NYC, called for armed movement against this government and the armed forces of Bangladesh. His words were not reported anywhere in the Bangladeshi media.
A small tidbit to encourage the curious: the new Bangladesh country lobbyist for Nokia Siemens Network is Mirza Hakim, Mirza Azizul Islam’s brother.
During the last seven months, I’ve lost the number of times that someone threw the argument “they may be unconstitutional, but they’re immensely popular” at my face, in this blog and elsewhere. We know how that turned out.
August 31st, 2007 at 3:48 am
Well, Prof. Yunus lost another big opportunity to be a reconciler and a conscience of a nation, particularly with the events that happened last week. While I appreciate whole-heartedly his groundbreaking micro-credit initiative, I must admit he is too eager to compromise with the powerful. Imagine, what would happen to our independence if the freedom struggle was rested on them.
August 31st, 2007 at 6:07 am
Farhad bhai, it’s not only the elites/bhodrolokes/susheels who are guilty here. We too are complicit.
I’m not talking about those who think that politicians are to be blamed for everything and
the regime is all about busting corruption. Let them have their illusions. I am talking about those with supposed liberal/progressive values.
How many of us lamenting the coercion today thought in mid January that thank god for the coup, we’d have a civil war otherwise? How many of us thought that this coup is different from what came before? How many of us were inspired by Fakhruddin’s address to the nation?
Why did we not see that after taking the risk, the army would not want to give up power? Why did we assume that the regime enjoyed popular mandate when there was no basis for it? Why did we believe that the regime would do the right thing, when the whole concept of the ‘right thing’ is the stuff of politics that the regime banned? Why did we not realise that history doesn’t allow short cuts?
August 31st, 2007 at 6:25 am
I am scared, scared to death. A helpless frustration is enshrouding me. I am talking to myself. ‘I will not preach violence … I will not preach violence …”. I am angry, angry to the point where my mind is only contemplating cruelest vengeance possible no matter who or how many gets hurt, whose economy goes to toilet or which nation suffers. I am feeling nausea, I am possessed. I would like to shout “Kut** *****”! Don’t care anymore if it hurts your values, your educated ear.
I do not know whether Dr. Anwar Hossain is criminal in any sense or not, but every single word of that apology is strained with blood, fear, pain, and demonic abuse of human grace. If that happens to a prominent and possibly powerful citizen, imagine what is happening to the others. “Attack on uniform”, “Sommanito Jawan” … the stupid interrogator could plant something better to make it believable …. . Or did they do it willingly just to show how they can break you down, make you say anything they want to?
Now Gandhi Jis of web, tell me, what other peaceful avenue one has when the court denies to keep written record of the torture allegation, forget about justice. The independent court sends him back to the custody of same people. Please, please give me something, some rationality, I am begging to you Mahatmas …. save me from myself.
What can the VC do after being promised by Fakhruddin that his professors will be treated with dignity? I can just imagine how many time those ‘criminal’ professors prayed for ‘crossfire’ before getting stripped off the last shred of human dignity.
Hope my pills will start working, I will fall asleep which those ‘criminal’ professors won’t get. I will get back to my senses when I wake up, look at my green lawn proudly. Go after some more money to support my so called research, pretend I am important, I am serving society by solving some inconsequential differential equations. Again, talking to myself, “I do not preach violence .. I am a rational educated person … I do not preach violence …” only Dr. Hossain will live rest of his life with the indignity no one can imagine.
August 31st, 2007 at 8:32 am
The following came from Dr. Anwar Hossains son regarding the apology by Dr. Hossain to army that was shown yesterday.
Sir,
I was also a bit surprised after I heard my fathers statement on television. However, after hearing it I began to think deeply about the significance of it and what he really meant. Unfortunately most of the television channels had shown a very ’sabotaged’ version of my fathers words. Later on that night I spoke with a reporter from a Channel complaining to him why such a ’sabotaged version’ had been shown. I asked him why hadn’t the news channels shown the ‘uncut/original’ version? What was wrong in that? Why had these channels participated in giving the people of our country the wrong message? He replied saying that their hands were tied. Nothing could be done. However, he was optimistic too. He told me that the good days would return.
After my conversation with him , I got a lucky break. I saw the original version of the statement my father had given to the media at another channel. His last words were, ‘We know that the members of the armed forces have self respect…however we must not forget that the common citizens of our country and the students of Dhaka University also have self respect. I hope the Armed forces will remember this and learn from this incident so that they do not make such a mistake in the future’.
It was at that point the media took away the camera and did not allow my father to continue. Later on when I was speaking to my father inside the court, my father told me that he had a lot more to say. Those are:
1) Bring ahead the elections to January 2008 instead of December 2008.
2) Lift the emergency and if that is not possible relax the emergency provisions to a great extent.
3) Restore the people of our country with their fundamental rights that the Constitution of Bangladesh gives them.
4) Hold a free and fair election so that a democratically elected government can assume power as soon as possible.
My father told me that he sincerely believed that if these demands are met, stability in our country would return and the Bangladesh Armed Forces would return to the barracks as heroes. He also told me that it would be fatal if the Bangladesh Armed Forces failed in their mission to restore democracy in our country. He told me that the Army could not be allowed to fail as they bear the insignia of sovereignty in Bangladesh.
There are some other considerations as well. It is absolutely illegal to allow a person to speak to the media when he is in remand. The basic logic that applies behind this is that there lies absolutely no proof that he is saying what he is saying without pressure.
In context of all this, I would request you all to take a deep breath and try to understand what my father truly meant. The main issue in his statement was not an ‘apology’ made to the Armed Forces. I believe that its alright to apologise because, in fact, it was the Armed Forces that had apologised for their acts at the Dhaka University . However, to me, the main issue, or should I say the main ‘catch’ of his statement was the fact that he had appealed to the Armed Forces to remember the honour, integrity and self respect of the students of Dhaka University and the people of our country. My father hoped that the Armed Forces would keep this in mind and learn from it.
We must not forget that this is the very Army that had fought hand in hand with the common people of Bangladesh in 1971. My fathers message to them was to prevent them from failing because if they do fail then hell will break loose. That is not something we want.
I feel that there are many ways to interpret words. I have only shown you my interpretation.
Thanking you again,
Sanjeeb Hossain
August 31st, 2007 at 9:36 am
Being a teacher does Mr Anwar really need to involved in politics directly or indirectly? What is the responsibility of the University teacher? We all have seen the picture in newpaper how our uncivilized university student assulted a army staff. If the university teacher duty is to provoke the students in politics and destruction then I must say arresting Mr Anwar and rest of the teacher is quite justified and they need to be tried for their henious conspiracy.
August 31st, 2007 at 9:42 am
Jyoti # 13
You are right, not many.
This is what I wrote on this blog on Jan 26:
“Democracy is costly, and it seems our urban elites are not willing to pay the price for it (yet). Emergency’s honeymoon days of cleaning up the city streets, bulldozing the ‘illegal’ slums, snuffing out the ‘unwanted’ elements of the society in extra-judicial custody, is in full swing. The urbanites are getting their city back, and also their false sense of security. While all along there is a deafening silence from the ’sushil shamaj’, self-appointed spokespersons of the people.”
And more a week later on Feb 5th:
“Let us finally recognize that democracy is not necessarily the best medicine for Bangladesh.”
An important statement that deserves serious thought.
Without democracy, we will have to assume a number of ‘good people’ will have the responsibility of running the state, but who will not be accountable to anyone (at least not to the people). How does that happen and who decides who is ‘good’ ? Also, these people will obviously grow old (and die) and has to be replaced by another batch of ‘good people’. How does that happen ?
Farhad
August 31st, 2007 at 11:34 am
Don’t forget to listen to Botu miar boithokkhana….its classic.
http://www.sachalayatan.com/next/node/8301
August 31st, 2007 at 12:24 pm
It’s a sad day when the citizenry accepts that it is OK for the joint force interrogators to beat the pulp out University professors in the process of interrogation, and yet there is no outrage. What happened to the notion of due process?
In another thread, I wrote:
“The government has reportedly taken two professors of Dhaka University on further remand. These professors apparently reported physical and mental torture to a magistrate, as today’s online daily star news snippets indicate.
I don’t know if there was a conspiracy or not, but things must be in full public view, though a due process. Otherwise, we should be worried.
Just saying that there is a rule of emergency and people should obey the laws or face consequences is not an acceptable argument; this government is on record for saying that their legitimacy comes from public acclaim and free press.
The government should have prosecuted those particular goons who they can identify from pictures as having participated specifically in burning cars, damaging public and private property or inflict injury on law-enforcement personnel. Any evidence of complicity of University professors or political parties could have been brought out in a trial.
Instead, it seems to me that the government and the joint forces are going in with pre-conceived conspiracy theory in mind and trying to shake all the available trees in search of evidence, even with coercion and perhaps torture. This cannot be a fair dispensation of law, regardless of what emergency powers they wield. A government keen on bequeathing a legacy of respect for law and human rights should help by paying more attention to due process.”
August 31st, 2007 at 12:38 pm
Question to all….
Do we (the people of Bangladesh) know how to respect democracy ?
Do we know how to practice democracy ?
Do we truely know what is democracy ?
August 31st, 2007 at 3:01 pm
Socialism had succumed to extinction.
Tradtional western democracy is limping especially in the major or third world. It has been tried to be imposed mercilessly on those who can’t afford to adopt and adapt with it.
Democracy meaning[my own] the best administrative system focused on best public interest, not the coterie, maximally particpated by well-informed, honest, efficient, humane and service-oriented section of the society. But the traditonal electoral democracy in the society like ours doesn’t, in most cases, ensure that goal and partake.
Socialism failed:does it mean tradtional western democracy is indesponsible universally? The-in-vogue democracy is not a panacea for all human problems everywhere.
We must innovate a new democracy’ maybe the to my choice, a non-party democracy alternative to multiparty democracy. The traditional democracy by default has the defect of partisanship, be it in any civilized society like the USA, Britain etc. And the partisan version of democracy in the third world is multifaceted pita-piti/mara-mari/dola-doli, in other words, mostani, chadabaji, corruptions, perennial political anarchy, eventually leading to gunned-governments.
People need to be self-rectified and home-grown customized democracy instead of dictated democracy.
Thanks.
August 31st, 2007 at 4:13 pm
Ok, let’s hold election on January 2008.
What voter list are we going to use? The same one that parties went to war with in January.
Fact of the matter is there is no alternative to CTG. Even in the beginning the Army was hesitant but eventually installed technocrats only when things got out of hand. I do not believe another 15 months is a great deal time. I fail to see the urgency / impetuousness to hold election without any credible voter list.
Let’s have a clear rationale in place without submitting to typical Bengali manner of react first and repent later. It’s easier to criticize when you do not hold the burden.
If someone can come out with a rationale plan that is acceptable for all feuding sides in BD and that mitigate all other risk than I will be the first to support it.
Now I will play into a typical Bengali manner of submitting to conspiracy theories; are we so partisan to accept any positive things because it did not come from “our” side? Sometime it sure seems like it. Let’s not forget we are all in the same side (BD).
cheers
August 31st, 2007 at 4:26 pm
I understand how SC in #14 is feeling. We can keep ignoring these cases. We can keep making excuses: this person was corrupt, that person was inciting violence, and that person was looking at me funny. But all these individual cases are ongoing threads in the current-day reality of today’s Bangladesh. And they will potentially lead to a very violent, very ugly situation when this government itself hands over power to their successor, handchosen or not.
August 31st, 2007 at 4:40 pm
#20,
common people of Bangladesh know what is democracy and how to practice democracy,
our politicians do not practice democracy and “elites” of the society think that democracy means ‘neat and clean’ dhaka, free from hawkers and slums. Now this extra-Constitutional Govt has come to destroy everyhting that we have achieved during the last 36 years.
August 31st, 2007 at 5:23 pm
Dear Sanjeeb
The implications of being in remand is clear to all of us. That a `briefing’ was made to the press by Professor Anwar Hossain, while in remand, is in itself the message.
Your father’s courage and deep love for his country has never been in doubt.
In solidarity
Shahidul Alam
Rahnuma Ahmed
August 31st, 2007 at 6:13 pm
The last time we heard a prisoner in custody being allowed to give interview to the press was when Jalil did his somersault to trash Hasina and praised the lords. He did that sitting in his jail cell ( Lab air hospital room).
August 31st, 2007 at 7:45 pm
According to 15
1) Bring ahead the elections to January 2008 instead of December 2008.
4) Hold a free and fair election so that a democratically elected government can assume power as soon as possible.
I am for democracy but the proponents of this can you please explain what the plan is after having election ASAP ? I might be misunderstanding but what I see is the same people [party A or B] comes and we have seen what that has brought us. I think there is false illusion with election being a magic bullet that solves all problems.Remember democracy will not solve our problems unless the practioneers are reformed first.
Cant we have the patience to wait till dec 08 till some of the fundamental institutions are set in place & voter list created ? I agree with an earlier post where we have to move away being so bengali emotional.
If the focus of the blog is about how problems in the country are a result of the ‘elite’ govt, tell me an instance except removal of hawkers where you did not have people unrest, price hikes, sufferings of the poor in the last ‘non-elite’ govts ? Maybe when you run a overpopulated poor country you are bound run into problems and maybe sometimes it has nothing to do with govt format.
The argument that a democractic govt is better than a elite govt is correct except in our case where the quality of our democratic govt has been so poor that the elite is not a bad option for the time being.
I am not writing in support of the CTG, what I am saying is we must have the stomach for the bumpy road ahead to make sure we reach the destination. Crying & giving up in the middle will be to our own detriment. And yes, if the good professors have a hand in the incident they should not be above the law.
September 1st, 2007 at 2:19 am
#24 Borsha
What have we achieved in 36 years which has been destroyed in just last 7 months? A corrupt and incompetent judiciary system where people always get injustice? Reward for securing the top position in corruption list!!!! Politicizing the every government and non government sector including the educational institution! If these are achievement to you then I will say you are living in a fool’s world. We did not achieve as much as good things the others countries did in last 36 years. 7 months is not enough to achieve something big in a troublesome country like us where government faces relentless conspiracy, criticism and intense pressure from the organization like WB, IMF and superpowers. Sitting in front of the computer you can spot out countless faults of CTG but the practical field is quite different. This government is trying hard to bring the country’s system in shape. It is better to keep in mind that the members of the CTG are not making decision for their own personal interest or taking bribe or percentage like the way our politicians used to do. We should let them work rather than just keep on criticizing and speculating about their future plan.
September 1st, 2007 at 3:19 am
Can anyone please tell me why out of all the DU teachers only these four has been taken in by the police? Were their names picked randomly from the hat? Do any one of you personally know these teachers or know of their involvement in politics? Is it possible that regardless of being teachers, these four are really bad apples, manipulators of students for own political goals. Can anyone answer me why one of the teacher supposedly wants election in January 2008 knowing fully well that this will only take the country back to the post 1/11 chaos? Is it possible that this teacher is echoing the demand of his party leader?
I see bloggers going crazy dehumanizing the army, the advisors, the police, writing about who is an elite, a super elite, who wears lungi, gamcha & what not. Has the Diaspora community really bored that criticizing about everything has become our favorite past time? Or have we all become paranoid to the extent that we simply dont trust anybody anymore. Has Bangladesh become the punching bag for the expat deshis to take out our frustrations from being far away from our home & family? What is going on? It is one thing to be a dissident or a constructive critic or a political analyst. But why are we all drawing conclusions when we know that may be some of the informations we are being fed by the BD press or the family members of the participants/victims are biased? Have we all become so naive?
Cheers
September 1st, 2007 at 4:12 am
I share your concern that the groups you named are being dehumanised. Trust me, I do.
I don’t quite know what bloggers you had in mind, but my post on the informal economy - which is fast becoming the “lungi post” - has relatively little to do with the personal dress choices of the advisors themselves, and NOTHING at all to do with the army or the police or the professors or the recent clashes at DU.
The lungi is a metaphor for the informal economy. You know, much like the terms “blue collar”/”white collar” are used by economists to denote different sections of a firm.
I know a very traumatising event took place last week for all of us. I tried to move away from it by posting about something different. Please don’t try to drag in DU/army/CTG into this. I stated very clearly that this is a failing of almost every government before the CTG as well.
September 1st, 2007 at 5:04 am
Sufibaba,
Let’s assume that these 4 academics are guilty of all the jalao-porao. Let’s assume that they want the pre-1/11 chaos for personal benefits and so on. Does this justify the way their ‘trial’ is being conducted? UV has called for due process when the target was Tareque Rahman, RANGS or Hasina, and now it’s calling for due process for these academics. It will be a sad day if UV stops doing so.
Now, you ask ‘Has Bangladesh become the punching bag for the expat deshis to take out our frustrations from being far away from our home & family? ‘. Damn right expat Deshis are frustrated and worried about family and home. And one reason why people worry more is because of the way the media is being muzzled. You think the news being fed by the families are biased? Haven’t you seen the idential news by staff reporters citing intelligence sources appearing in many newspapers? Who is being naive here? And expat Deshis supporting the regime and its actions are quite well represented in UV. They too are worried about home.
Or perhaps you don’t think rights and due process matter. If that’s the case, then not simply say so? Many have expressed those views in UV too.
And if you are in Dhaka, and you think you know something that is not in the public domain, then the greatest service you can do to all expat Deshis would be to share those things.
Cheers
September 1st, 2007 at 5:39 am
#28 bd watcher
Can you give me one example from history of any country where military has restored democracy? Who asked this Govt to face criticism and pressure from WB,ADB? why don’t they hold the election and transfer the power? Let the elected Govt face all the pressure and criticism.
Are they clean in their drive against corruption? some have been put on jail and some are outside to talk about”reform”.What about the mysterious CDs containing the “interrogation drama” of the Politicians?
This is not the first time that Bangladesh is experiencing military rule,but no Govt has created this kind of panic among business community.
I agree that politicians politicized every Govt Institute, what about the systemic takeover of different Govt Institutes by army personnel?
While TV Channels are showing “patriotic” songs praising the army, military backed Govt is trying to assassin the character of everyother group, politicians , businessman and now University professors.Army is the symbol of patriotism and others are just evil froces.
During awami league and BNP regime, we could speak against joynal hazari and Bangla bhai,now if I speak up, it will be termed as conspiracy.
This Govt is trying to bring the country’s system in shape by adapting “Musharraf formula”. Applying Musharraf tactics will not make our country something like Malaysia or Vietnam, It will make our country something like Pakistan which is in the top ten list of failed state.
September 1st, 2007 at 7:52 am
#27 Ehtehsam H.
“And yes, if the good professors have a hand in the incident they should not be above the law.”
And the law is ….? Court denying to keep record of the torture allegation by the detainees in open daylight.
Thats the clumsy point, Ehtehsam. That is when many people get doubtful about “placing the fundamental institutions” in place.
#sufibaba_1967
“Can anyone please tell me why out of all the DU teachers only these four has been taken in by the police?”
Two DU and 3 RU teacheres, not that you have to care about those criminal teachers, just to keep the statistics straight.
Now extend the same logic, why out of all the DU teachers some were killed by the Pak army and their collaborators?
Why a certain girl was raped not the others?
Does not sound good.
“Can anyone answer me why one of the teacher supposedly wants election in January 2008 knowing fully well that this will only take the country back to the post 1/11 chaos? Is it possible that this teacher is echoing the demand of his party leader?”
So, demanding early election or believing in certain political party is a criminal act!!
If that is being cautious I choose to remain naive.
September 1st, 2007 at 4:35 pm
Bit of backlash to Yunus’ latest statement. Not that the people I meet on daily basis are cross-section, but the few stray comments I heard were along those lines.
But who knows, game is not over yet. I described the prevailing situation as a chess game with multiple players. So player B is moving player A’s rook while player A is thinking where he should move his castle and meanwhile player C has done checkmate, also using player A’s shader piece. Kothae shesh hobe, keu jane na.
But lokjon’er optimism has taken a dive, seeing the events of last few days.
September 1st, 2007 at 4:48 pm
#32 Borsha
What have we achieved in 36 years which has been destroyed in just last 7 months by CTG?…Did not get my answer.
–Who asked this GOVT to face pressure……
It was our beloved political parties who paved the way for the present army backed CTG to take over the power and it was the public demand to take some important decisions ie independent judiciary system, reformation of ACC, ports, police, political party, EC, a credible voter list etc which has not been done in last 15 years by our so called democratic political party.
–Are they clean in their drive against corruption? Some have been ……..When you intend to do something you need to follow a strategy. The issues you have pointed out are the part of the CTG’s present strategy to put the some of the most corrupt politicians in jail, not all the political and business leaders. Most of our politicians, businessmen and educated bureaucrats are corrupt, if you arrest all of them who will be there to run the country? Will you go back to BD to help the CTG?
—–This is not the first time that Bangladesh is experiencing military rule,but no Govt has created this kind of panic among business community…………..Because no previous Govt took such courageous anti corruption drive. By the way who are these big business men! Most of them are either politician or involved in politics directly or indirectly. So it is quite normal that anti corruption drive against politicians will make the big businessmen panic who control the most of the business in our country.
—-While TV Channels are showing “patriotic” songs praising the army, military backed Govt is trying to assassin the character of everyother group, politicians , businessman and now University professors. Army is the symbol of patriotism and others are just evil froces…………….I have already mentioned about the politicians and businessman. What is our DU teachers supposed to do at university? Politics and inciting the students in vandalism! How about University teachers in USA? Are they involved in politics instead of educating the students? Have you ever come accross of name of White, yellow, blue, purple color teachers associations in a country’s top university?
–During awami league and BNP regime, we could speak against joynal hazari and Bangla bhai,now if I speak up, it will be termed as conspiracy……………If you do it for saving the skin of the crooked people then of course you are doing nothing but conspiracy against this govt.
–This Govt is trying to bring the country’s system in shape by adapting “Musharraf formula”. Applying Musharraf tactics will not make our country something like Malaysia or Vietnam, It will make our country something like Pakistan which is in the top ten list of failed state…………Our Army is not adapting Musharraf Formula. Even if they do, how do you so sure about the failure of CTG? If one person fails it does not mean that others will not be succeed following the same strategy. Musharraf failed to detain the crooked leaders and minimize the corruption in Pakistan on the other hand our army backed CTG already has started the trial of the most powerful politicians who were known to be untouchable.
Election can not be the only mean to bring the justice, eradicate the corruption and reduce the poverty in our country, which we have experienced in last three fair and free elections. There are some others issues need to be addressed besides the election and CTG is currently working on them. If our politicians had done those work in last 15 years CTG would have done what they are meant to do.
Since CTG and army chief repeatedly saying that the election will be held by the end of 2008, what else do you need to beleive them? Why we can’t trust them? I think it is the ploticians who needs to blamed for not trusting any Govt. since they are one who always broke their promises in the past.
Why we can not wait until the dead line CTG have mentined for the election? Two years are not a long time compared to last 15 years. Even a non educated person will be able to understand that, in 7/8 months or 2 years time much can not be achieved by a new govt. in a country like BD, then why it is so difficult to gauge this simple matter for a educated person who are living in abroad!
If this government fails I will not regret at all for supporting them, after all this CTG raised the issue of the reformation of political party which our political leaders would not do unless they were forced to do so. It is the current CTG who took the initiative of making a photo ID card, voter list with photo and digital voting system together which will help to reduce the rigging the election as well as crime. This is the first CTG govt. in our country who dares to arrest the powerful corrupt political leaders, which is very significant step to deescalate the corruption in future. At least future leaders will think twice before doing their rampant corruption. These are the main achievements of CTG in last 7/8 months. So it will be quite inapproprite to label them as an incompetent and failure govt.
September 1st, 2007 at 7:06 pm
Hey Sufibaba,
Calm down. We are not bored. Believe me. We are very much concerned like a lot of people in Bangladesh are. As I have pointed out some of our crticisms 3/4 months ago or even 6 months ago, if paid heed to, would have paid dividends. So moral of the story is criticism is a good thing as long as it is constructive. We are being very constructive. If not, point out where we are not.
As a friend pointed out, over the last 7 months, this government has slowly changed from “our government” to lesser of the three evils and now more and more people are questioning if its really the lesser of the three evils. I am sure a lot of good things have happened but when most of the people around you are not perceiving it that way, perhaps people in the government should ask what they are doing wrong.
Also bdwatcher, dude, our criticizing will not make the CTG fail, so no point in saying “stop criticizing, do you want to go back to last year or do you know what will happen if this govt fails”. I am sure you have gotten negative feedbacks in your life. Those feedbacks are not aimed
Lastly, of all the blank checks that you have given in the past 7 months, is the government doing better because of it? Not really. So don’t get so sensitive about criticism. If there are positive things and real reforms that are sustainable long term, we will be the first one to cheer it.
I cheered two reforms that they did but unfortunately they are now rather meaningless so far..
1. Independence of election commission. It got wide media coverage when it happened but as it turns out, it has been agreed in principle but actual law has not been passed.
2. Independence of anti-corruption commission. This was a great thing until a army controlled task force was assigned on top of it which took away most of its independence.
Regarding the teachers, SC has already said what I wanted to say. Only thing to add is if you get picked up today would you expect to know the charges after you have been tortured or know beforehand? Dude, you were the one who predicted 1/11 a month before it happened in this blog. You even said that the government would stay for 2 years. Check here. So you have a lot of insider knowledge it seems. Yet, if you want to tell us that they were not picked up to be taught a “lesson” then you are sounding like a government press note.
What’s your thought?
September 1st, 2007 at 7:48 pm
Speaking of Yunus recent statement, it has hardly been a surprise. He always loves to be “friendly” with whoever is in power. He has hardly ever taken any stand or used his national stature which was not convenient. I was fooled into believing that his jumping to politics was for the greater good. But rather now I believe there was a whole lot of personal ambition involved. Thanks to e-bangladesh.org, here is a statement of his from November last year. Take a look. Political expediency is in every word of this statement. Yes, like Abeydin says, I also can well imagine what his stand would be in March 1971. “Its not time to look backward and what happened before. Its time to move forward. Oikkobodhdho ebong shoktishali pakistaner jonno amader ja kichu kora dorkar shobkichu korte hobe ! ” My imagination running wild? Hardly.
Nobel laureate Prof Muhammad Yunus yesterday expressed satisfaction over performance of the chief adviser to the caretaker government.
“He is doing a wonderful job, I will give him an A+ for what he has done,” Yunus commented on Prof Iajuddin Ahmed, the chief adviser (CA) to the caretaker government.
“It’s not the time for disputes over the appointment of the chief adviser, it’s time to move forward,” said Yunus while talking to the diplomats of four European countries.
Four Ambassadors from Sweden, Switzerland, Norway and France yesterday called on Prof Yunus separately at his Grameen Bank head office at Mirpur.
The Nobel laureate returned home Tuesday after a two-week visit to South Korea, China and Japan.
“They handed over the felicitations from their governments and also sought time from me to visit their countries,” Yunus told The Daily Star.
About the controversy of President Iajuddin Ahmed’s assuming the office of the Chief Adviser, Prof Yunus said, “Since there was no objection from anyone while being sworn in as the chief adviser of the caretaker government, Prof Iajuddin Ahmed has got the endorsement. …That was good for the country.”
“Now there is no time to gossip about the caretaker government appointment. We want a free and fair election in a festive mood,” said Yunus.
September 2nd, 2007 at 5:39 am
Andy
I used the lungi word also as a metaphor to drive through the point that some expats are getting over critical about the present government and the army. I didn’t read your article until now. You comments are well noted.
Jyoti
Never did I say that I don’t want due process. But I still do feel that some of the bloggers went over board confusing due process with the call for their release just because they are teachers! My point was & still is that why only a few teachers (who are well known academic politicians in their own rights) were picked up? Is there some merit to the allegations brought against them? To reiterate, my post was not about due process.
As to my comment about the expats being frustrated, even though I am based in Dhaka, I spend 4-5 months a year in North America. From my present location in N.America, this time I am seeing lots of misrepresentation of facts that I find very disturbing. I am experiencing rumors being spread and established into facts within the span of a five course dinner! My question was, if this scenario is the result of the deshis feeling helpless and thus frustrated from being far away from Bangladesh. it was not meant to be detrimental to the xpats.
You have commented bout the media being muzzled. Can you kindly give some examples such as facts (not rumors) that you have found to be true from the internet & were not published in the BD dailies? Contrary to your belief, I feel that the press should be partially held responsible for the mess in Bangladesh today. Some elements of the press deliberately and for personal gains misused the freedom that the industry won after years of struggle.
SC
I note the correct number of teachers in custody.
Please don’t sell BD intelligence agencies short. I am guessing that you are based overseas and may be under the impression that the authorities must be all idiots. As such you might be of the opinion that these teachers were simply picked in random. This cannot be farthest from the truth. Your comparison between the arrested (how they were selected) and the intellectual genocide of 71 reflects the frustration that I mentioned on my post. This kind of comment among others prompted me on the first place to write my post. My intention was to start a discussion whether considering the arrested teachers past involvements and activities, if it is premature to call for their release; as some of the bloggers demanded in the past few weeks.
Your comment “So….a criminal act!!” goes to show how detached from reality some bloggers have become over the present BD politics. When a leading teacher(s) involved in active politics demand immediate election (Jan/08), even though they know that holding such poll with the present voter list & without first cleaning the political theatre of the vultures can only bring either of the two big political parties in power, he is not campaigning for democracy! Rather he is pushing his party agenda. I read my post again and I didn’t see where I mentioned or even suggested that believing in certain political party is a criminal act!!! May be you will be kind enough to enlighten me.
Asif S.
How do you or for that matter any of us know for sure that the teachers did not know why they were being arrested or tortured? I certainly sympathize and demand due process for them. But how do we know that they are innocent? How do we know that they were indeed behind the violence and knew that they will be arrested. Are the words of those confined or statements of their family members proof of their innocence? My point is that, as a civil society and as HR activists, we must demand due process for them. But we must not cross the line and become judge and the jury; something some of the bloggers have become in the past few days. I remember someone going to the extent of demanding immediate release of the teachers because they are pillars of society, makers of future leaders, etc..etc…etc. As we don’t know yet of their involvements in the riot, we should concentrate on due process only and refrain from declaring them innocent until the hammer come down. My post was to aware the UV guests that as we don’t for sure whether the charges against the teachers are true, we should limit our comments to human rights and due process ONLY and not be judgmental of their supposed crimes.
My friend yes, in my opinion they were not picked up in random just to be taught a lesson!!!
Cheers
September 2nd, 2007 at 6:45 am
#35 bd watcher
I read your posting. The general tone of your posting is very similar to what I posted in a different thread (#10, “What next – national unity government, early election or status quo”). I had/have similar expectation from this interim government but why am I not feeling warm and fuzzy about it? I read it again and again. While driving through a barren Indiana highway, it struck me like lightening. I saw the difference. You are asking for 15 months of graveyard-lull. You are asking for 15 more months of unaccountability, you are advocating trusting someone like they are God’s messenger (“Since CTG and army chief repeatedly saying that the election will be held by the end of 2008, what else you need to beleive them? Why we can’t trust them?”).
We can’t trust them, because the beast is showing up, little by little. We can’t trust them because we have seen the same drama again and again. I have to give you that one though, the failure of our political parties let the beasts come out of the cage again.
Finally you have shown your claws, “Our Army is not adapting Musharraf Formula. Even if they do, how do you so sure about the failure of CTG?”. One informal definition of craziness is “doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results”. That is how we know “Musharraf” will not work. Are you really asking the next 15 months for a fair election? May be you are buying time so that all the instruments will be in place, another round of buying and selling of politicians will be complete, and when we break the silence “Musharraf” will be in power.
Let me tell you another reason why that will not work. We are a very emotional and headstrong nation not exactly Pakistan. I vaguely remember, mostly heard about 69. I have seen the volcanic eruption in 90 and saw them going back to barrack with their tails tucked between their legs. So Mushi will not work.
Some how deep in the psyche of this poor “lungi” nation, there is a pride and confidence of beating 93000. Worst comes worst, we can handle few more thousands. Though we lost some moral ground, it will come back.
You asked, “What have we achieved in 36 years which has been destroyed in just last 7 months by CTG?…Did not get my answer.”. Let’s not give you a long list, just one – MY RIGHT TO SPEAK
September 2nd, 2007 at 6:50 am
#35 BD watcher
I think I am not educated and intelligent enough to understand CTG’s startegy of selecting “corrupt” politicians. how does the strategy work? If someone is from army, then he may be allowed to leave the country even if he is corrupt,right? I am talking about Khaleda Zia’s brother.If Mannan Bhuyia and Najmul Huda, both are corrupt, how did they decide that Mannan Bhuyia should be the reformist and Huda should be in jail? Is it lottery or some sophisticated
computer program?
saving the skin of crooked people…You have already found the University professors guilty of criminal offense. why?
they have been arrested but court has not yet given the verdict.You think they are guilty because CTG has forced the media to portray them as ” evil forces”.
Having elected Govt does not mean that we have true democracy, but now we do not have the right to decide who will rule us.CTG cannot stay in power more than 3 months, this is an extra constitutional Govt. we can wait for the election in 2008, only Nizami and Ferdous Ahmed Qureshi will be out of jail then because of CTG’s unique strategy of selecting corrupt politicians.
CTG is deciding who will rule us, not the poeple of Bangladesh.
During the last 36 years we achieved the right to express our opinions.During BNP’s first tenure, there was fertilizer crisis, BNP was criticized for this so when awami League came, they tried to solve this problem and there was no fertilizer crisis but law and order was horrible, so awami league lost the next election and when BNP came , they tried to make the law and order situation better.This Govt does not care for people’s vote , any criticism of this Govt is banned, if you cannot follow their way, you will be in jail.
about poverty eradication, CTG is making the situation worse, economic activities have been hampered severely, job recruitment has stopped and poor people like hawkers and slum dwellers have been evicted.
Musharraf formula will definitely be successful , not for the people of Bangladesh,it will be succssful for the Military.
You could not give me any example from history where military has restored democracy, the greatest lesson from history is that no one takes lesson from history.
One thing we should not forget that when USA supports any Military Backed Govt, things actually go from bad to worse.
September 2nd, 2007 at 7:10 am
Thanks for the clarification sufibaba. I agree with you about the media misusing its freedoms and civil society acting as judge and jury.
Andy also happens to be my middle name :).
September 2nd, 2007 at 9:32 am
Farhad bhai (17),
I’m reminded of the Jedi Council when one speaks of the government under the guardianship of ‘good people’. We all know what happened to them.
All those who worry about what will happen after the election, a rephrasing of something I said in a different blog:
“Whoever loses the election (free and fair, or arranged for a King’s party win), under one of the 2 netris, will form an opposition party that will challenge the government, and five years down the track we’ll have what we had in the 1990s - a functioning, competitive political system in all its facets, positive and negative. And much like the 1990s, standard of living will improve even while some people will lose out, society and culture will evolve in all sort of unpredictable ways so that western social mores and Islamic traditionalism will co-exist in the same family, and Bangladesh will continue to upset the cricket world once every year.”
But two things should worry everyone.
1. A practical exit strategy for the army.
See here: http://www.drishtipat.org/blog/2007/08/24/what-next-2/
2. Militarisation of the state machinery, and possible rise of the Pakistan-style ‘milbus’ culture in Bangladesh.
See here:
http://www.drishtipat.org/blog/2007/07/05/pakistan-the-army-as-the-state/
Sufibaba,
You said: “I am experiencing rumors being spread and established into facts within the span of a five course dinner!”
This is true. But this goes both ways. Perhaps we have friends with different views, but most ‘rumours turning into facts’ around me tell the story that ‘omuk neta paid for the whole thing, and tomuk neta planned the incidence’ etc.
I’m glad that we agree about the need for due process. Until the hammer comes down (or the fat lady sings), we shouldn’t judge anything. But if you look through the comments of the past few weeks, you’ll see that there were quite a few comments proclaiming the teachers’ guilt as innocence - and surely the presumption should be of innocence, not guilt!
On the press freedom issue, let’s respectfully agree to disagree.
September 2nd, 2007 at 11:40 am
39 SC: There was speculation that Army backed a new CTG because the UN gave them some hint that they will not accept army to support the election to be held on 1/22 under the previous CTG. This is why they called it the first UN backed change of government. What makes you think that if the Army does not go back to barrack by end of 2008, then UN will not take any action, such as reducing the peace keeping role? I think both people of Bangladesh and the International community expect the Army to leave the scene after a free and fair election with honest and capable candidates. If they don’t, it will unacceptable to both.
40 Borsha: I agree with you that CTG have had missteps and are not able to run the country well, but they are new and inexperienced and I think the situation will improve in a few months, as they are actively trying to listen to their criticisms and rectify the situation.
And by the end of 2008, the Army, I believe, will step aside, after a free and fair election.
September 2nd, 2007 at 5:25 pm
Frankly, I felt that the cry for elections on January 2008 as naive at best. I’m with commenters here who want to give the CTG until end of 2008.
But that is still a bit far away. Till then, this government is running the country, and thus should be open to criticism from below. Emergency was over between March to July. I echo the sentiments of some news editors and ask: why is the suspension of fundamental rights essential to the holding of proper elections? Would anyone care to explain?
khilji bhai, just out of personal curiosity: I recall you talking about the “toxic” West some time back. I even agreed with you. Now it seems you’re asking us to put our faith in the benevolent intentions of the UN and the international community (aka the “west”)(#43). I’m having trouble reconciling the two statements. Ektu bujhay bolben ki?
September 2nd, 2007 at 6:20 pm
Sufibaba_1967,
Wow, could not agree with you more. Thanks for providing an on the ground account that is not contaminated with political agenda.
I hope your post lead some bloggers to introspect and get things in prospective.
Cheers
September 2nd, 2007 at 10:37 pm
38 sufibaba_1967: Wonderful post, good points raised. It was needed to bring balance of viewpoints expressed here. Just to let you know, even if expats are far away, not all of them are getting influenced by misrepresentation of facts of media that tilts different ways. If I can have similar opinion like yours, sitting far away, I am sure many others can and have the same.
44 AsifY: Very good question. Just as it is an undisputed fact that the West has actually messed up our planet with toxic chemicals and radio-active substance, and other newly developed countries are making their due contributions as they climb up the ladder of industrialization, it is also an indisputable fact that the West still has the thought and intellectual leadership of the planet starting from Renaissance, although it is slowly loosing it, since WW II and the subsequent decolonization. It is also true that due to this leadership, the West was the first to recognize what they have done to the planet and is moving towards some corrective measures.
The International Community is mostly the West and the UN is also largely influenced by the West, and they are justifiably concerned about lack of governance despite having some semblance of democracy in this desperately poor 3rd largest “Muslim” country and is afraid of failed state scenario’s like those of Somalia and Afghanistan. We have pretty much proven to the world that democracy can be implemented, but it will remain dysfunctional if right policies for development are not pursued by the democratic leaders. Hence this intervention of last resort, an effort by the UN to move things in the right direction, using their sole piece of leverage. Things started out very good, but the bookish, academic and inexperienced members of CTG and their backers have muddled a very nice and clean scenario. I am extremely concerned, but I am also heartened to see that mistakes are being recognized quickly and moves are being made in the right direction everyday as we speak. Hope that answers your question.
Lastly, I think many have a tendency to confuse and misunderstand my position, because I talk about utility of religion, the role of history and how it shapes our thought and of course about real facts that groups of our planetary inhabitants have engaged in very recently and continue to do so. Here I would like to bring in the story of six blind men and their impression of an elephant:
http://www.jainworld.com/education/stories25.asp
It applies to my situation somewhat and also a lot about many different sides of the same reality that many of us like to focus on and then get into arguments about.
September 2nd, 2007 at 10:47 pm
#39 & 40 SC and Borsha
Watch the vedio link below you will get the answer of our achievement in last 36 years. Baak Shadhinota or Orajokota, Democracy or Hypocrisy…you figure it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0G6bPxGStk&mode=related&search=
September 3rd, 2007 at 12:33 am
33 SC
“And the law is ….? Court denying to keep record of the torture allegation by the detainees in open daylight.
Thats the clumsy point, Ehtehsam. That is when many people get doubtful about “placing the fundamental institutions” in place. ”
Then can you please answer whether do you believe there is better posibilty to “placing the fundamental institutions in place” under CTG or after elections under party A & B ?
And just for my knowledge, can the legal experts state whether if a judge does not accept to record torture allegations, can it be considered illegal or it is a judge’s discretion ?
September 3rd, 2007 at 6:04 am
#38 Sufi_baba:
If I misinterpreted your intention, accept my apology. Not to enlighten you, just to clarify, I am quoting you again:
“Can anyone please tell me why out of all the DU teachers only these four has been taken in by the police?” – this is a leading question. It implies to me “they must have done something wrong”. I did not compare ‘71 genocide to these arrests; I was just showing the absurdity of this rationale “proving guilty by victimization”.
Second quotation, “Can anyone answer me why one of the teacher supposedly wants election in January 2008 knowing fully well that this will only take the country back to the post 1/11 chaos?” – again implies that the teacher in question wants to take the country to chaos. That equals to a “criminal” act. Your supposition of “knowing fully well that this will only take the country back to the post 1/11 chaos” is too motivated to prove him guilty, people might have different scenario in their mind. I personally do not think January 2008 election is practical or possible. But I do not agree that this government’s goal (nor that they have right) should be making sure that the big two parties (reference: posting # 38) can not win Question to those who are very much attached with the reality of the present BD politics, do you really believe that in a truly fair election, played in a level field, anyone can beat AL and BNP whether it is Jan or Dec?
In Bangladesh, three parties were in power: AL, BNP and army. Was the third party less corrupt?
September 3rd, 2007 at 6:16 am
#48 Ehtesam H
“Then can you please answer whether do you believe there is better posibilty to “placing the fundamental institutions in place” under CTG or after elections under party A & B ?”
- No I don’t believe that Party A, Party B or Party C will do it immediately. At the same time, current symptoms are not encouraging either.
September 4th, 2007 at 2:16 am
#50 SC
I appreciate your response. Since Party X will not do it soon and there is a decent possibility CTG will do it, I would like to be hopeful and place my bet on them. Not because I like the CTG but for sake of having the institutions.
Thank you.