Mon 20 Aug 2007
History repeats?
*Police fired teargas Tuesday to quell protests that spilled into its second day amid a strike at Dhaka University as more than 1,000 angry students marched through the troubled campus.
*Marauding students smashed several vehicles at Shahbagh and Nilkhet on the fringe of the campus as the overnight battle raged on. Demonstrators also set fire to an army car in front of Aziz Super Market. *DUTA has thrown their weight behind the students demanding army pullout from the campus…Sirajul Islam, convenor of the provost standing committee, speaking separately to reporters, condemned Monday night’s police action at the dormitories.
*Protests spilled over into other institutions including the Jahangirnagar University, as students boycotted class and put up barricades on Dhaka-Aricha highway for a while. They smashed several passing vehicles on the highway and briefly clashed with police.
*Angry students chased a senior army official on the campus when he had gone to talk to them introducing himself as a teacher of the university. The students however recognised and swore at him before they started kicking and pushing him. The students swooped on another security official, who tried to save the troubled army officer.
*The protests are the first major defiance of the restrictions clamped under the emergency rules. More than 100 students were injured in violent clashes with troops and police Monday night after the students burst into protest against army action. [bdnews24]
photo: Jewel Samad AFP
August 20th, 2007 at 3:19 pm
I’m gonna be absolutely biased: I’m with the students on this one. **** has hit the fan now.
August 20th, 2007 at 3:39 pm
DS adds
DU students-cops fighting pitched battle after brawl with army men
Star Online Report
Hundreds of Dhaka University (DU) students have been fighting pitched battle for hours with police after some army men beat some students over a trifle matter during an inter-department football match in the university.
The students also called for withdrawal of army camp from the university campus.
Meanwhile, they called indefinite strike at the university demanding punishment to the responsible army men.
August 20th, 2007 at 3:47 pm
Politicians really playing their dirty tricks.
Wake up Bangladeshi student wake up. How many more years you guys would be utilized as a toilet paper and than would be flushed out in toilet infron of the guns and die? and have the dirty crooks politicians take the fruit of your bokami?
Jago Bangali Jago, Gobir ghum tehkey jegey otho.Politicians der key goti chal chaltey dio na.
thanks
Kawser Jamal
Are these looks like DU students in the pics? It looks like hired goons from the bosti to me.
August 20th, 2007 at 4:12 pm
Fear is the foundations of this government. Once the fear of the army goes away, this military backed government is in major trouble. They will have the combined force of BNP and AL against them. Let us not forget that those two political parties had commanded more than 80% of the electorate. Ershad (another military ruler who had stepped in to save the country from corruption not so long ago) could not survive an unified AL-BNP movement. This government would do itself a favour and takes its lessons from history.
“That the sole object and only legitimate end of government is to protect the citizen in the enjoyment of life, liberty, and property, and when the government assumes other functions it is usurpation and oppression.”
August 20th, 2007 at 4:29 pm
”Are these looks like DU students in the pics? It looks like hired goons from the bosti to me.”
Kun cheleta apnar kache bostir mone hosse bhai? Varsity ar chelera ki coat-tie pore ghuray naki? Ami tu varsity te thakte T-Shirt and Jeans pore ee campus aa jetam.
Pls calify.
August 20th, 2007 at 4:46 pm
Filthy army go back ! We wont let you to make our campus dirty. And yes, Mr.Kawser Jamal, i admire your comment on DU students, but i hope you have been capable of admitting yourself into DU.
August 20th, 2007 at 4:49 pm
DU lurches into ‘battlefield’
20-08-2007
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Dhaka, Aug 20 (bdnews24.com) – Hundreds of Dhaka University students
clashed with troops and police Monday night after the students burst
into protest against army action that left at least five students
injured, witnesses said.
Police teargassed and charged the angry students with batons after the
violence spread through the campus, turning it into a “battlefield” as
a witness described the situation.
Police also used rubber bullets to calm the situation, several witnesses said.
A quick effort by the university authorities failed to calm down the
melee as bdnews24.com correspondents and photographers at the scene
said the situation turned extremely violent.
The protesting students demanded withdrawal of the army camp from the
campus and declared a strike for Tuesday at the university. They said
if their demand was not met, they would go on indefinite strike.
In the wake of the army beatings, about 300 students gathered in front
of the central library on the campus and announced the plan for the
strike.
A student of the international relations department spoke on behalf of
the students.
Some angry students vandalised a police car on patrol.
The students and police concentrated the battle between F Rahman Hall
and Nilkhet crossing at 9:30pm as authorities put up barricades on all
entry points to the campus. The campus was made off-limits to traffic.
The students of F Rahman Hall burnt newspapers to protest the police
action, said bdnews24.com correspondent Mokarram Hossain Shuvo from
the scene.
bdnews24.com correspondent Jannatul Ferdous Tanvi said the police
pushed their way into the DU medical centre and DMCH and beat the
students who took shelter there from police beatings or gathered for
treatment.
The action came after a group of students marched to the army camp and
pelted it with stones. The troops countered the students with batons.
A student, named Majedul Islam, broke his leg in the beatings.
On the other front of the battle, some other angry students shouted
slogans against the army as a contingent of police stood guard in
front of the residence of the vice chancellor apparently for a fight.
bdnews24.com correspondent Prodip Choudhury said the police lobbed at
least 25 teargas shells in half-hour’s time to control the tempers of
the students.
They said the police tried to maintain order.
The troops swung into action after students demanded public apology
from an army man for verbally abusing a student when they were
watching a football match in the DU playground.
A bdnews24.com correspondent was among the witnesses to the incident.
Police stepped in later and beat students when they took out a
procession to press their demand for army pullout.
The injured students were taken to Dhaka Medical College Hospital.
The incident appeared to be an irony. The same day, Dhaka University
and the National Defence College held a discussion on how to improve
the army’s relations with civilians.
Acting vice-chancellor for DU AFM Yusuf Haider told bdnews24.com that
he had held a meeting with army officers after the incident.
He said the army officers regretted the incident.
bdnews24.com/jf/mar/eh/jr/ad/2155 hours
http://www.bdnews24.com/home.php
August 20th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
#3
I was trying to digest your comment. You sounded like Hon. Mainul Hossain. and it is not an insult.
#4
Did you read Dr. Jafar Iqbal’s column in Prothom-alo? GORU is showing its strength. I am waiting for the HECHKA TAAN.
August 20th, 2007 at 5:01 pm
History Repeats ?
Maybe yes, maybe know - only time will tell. If the three hundred student are left there alone with their protest, more armed troops would be dispatched and the protest cleaned.
If more students finds the courage to fight for their rights, the tide might just turn into our side.
As Mr. Concerned stated on Comment #4,
Fear is the foundations of this government. Once the fear of the army goes away, this military backed government is in major trouble.
Thumbs up to that.
And lastly, Mr. Kawser Jamal, tell me, have you ever been to Dhaka University ?
Regards.
August 20th, 2007 at 5:45 pm
Why do you folks get off on this kind of thing? Whats with the student violence fetish?
Are we going to end up finding out that this started out from a fluffed free kick?
August 20th, 2007 at 6:41 pm
Answer to all the comments:
Sushanto bhai,
The group of 100 people picture which was there in this blog earlier had some tokai too if I am not wrong in the pictures.I commented about that picture.
General Comments:
This is the very same DU students right,in the 31st night picked up a girl and raped her on the broad road and when asked in the parliament,the than PM said what was the girl doing so late at night over there?
This is the very same DU students who go for extortion and kindnapping and than come back and get hidden in the universities premised as before the police could never get in?
This is the very same DU student right that had produced corrupt student leader and pimp and sychopant like Neeru, bablo, Ovi, Elisas,Khonkon, Nasir Uddin Pintu,Joynal and Nasim,langra Jahangir and many more?
This is the same DU students right who were few months back was kissing Tarique Zia
s feet and getting and grabbing all the tenders and extortion in the name of the party cader?
This is the very same DU students right who were silently seeing the raping of the nation by AWL and BNP in the last 16 years of democracy and didnt protesct collectively against any corruption of any regime?
This is the very same DU students who beated the the girls and women teacher of Eden college over a small scuff?
This is the very same DU students right who take taxes from all all around Nilkhet and New Market and BOllaka cinema hall and Chandi chalk and other places?
This is the very same DU students right who with some of their ill-unedacted teacher barred the entrance of the Noble Laureate Dr Mohammad Yunus to be a convecation speakers in the anniversary of DU?
This is the very same DU stundents that has produced a prostitute DALAL Student like OVI who used to supply gilrs and woment to the high rank MP and Ministors and Bearacrates and later on used to black mail them for contracts and perks and previledge?
This is the very same DU students that has produced the biggest arms dealers in the country right?
When was the last time any one of you have been to Karzon hall, Surjosen hall,Mohsin Hall?
If this student would have want good for the country they would have raised on their own not on the ignition of the politicians. This is all politically motivated movement.
The last trump card is the student as the bereaucrates are no long in the Jonoter monchey now the only collective trump cards are these stupid DU students who doesn’t understand their own good and for the money and contracts and perks and previledge they can ruind the country as their future bosses Student like Neeru,Ovi, Bablu, Loton,Jhoton, Ilias, Khairul Khabir Khonkon, Pintu and Azam, Nasim, Jhontu has done in the past.
If asking me that I would be fortunate for being admitted in DU I respect the standard of DU but never have any respect for the thugs and mastann and low life street type boys student ever in my life.
Yes, I have been to DU. The amount of tea that I have drank in DU campus, I could be rich by now if I would have safed all that money.
Thanks
Kawser Jamal
Patriots of Bangladesh.
Not a party puppets like others
I love my country first than any one else.
Hope as all the other trump card has failed this last trump card of using Student and make them the bakraa would all fail.
Not scared of anybody.
Kawser Jamal
505 Nan circle
Little rock, Arkansas 72211
501-255-2814
I will land in dhaka airport in December 15th 2007.Meet me who ever has problem or any saying.
August 20th, 2007 at 6:42 pm
Maj. Gen Sinha highest ranking army officer to visit the injured students at Dhaka Medical College. CSB report students were shouting and hurling insults at him (the reporters words were “okotthyo bhasha.”
CSB also reported that Sinha said that more seriously injured students could be taken to CMH.
DU Pro-VC only DU official reported to have visited so far. He looked very shaken on ETV and kept saying “I appeal to both sides to remain calm” (in English).
Some channels reported that senior army official has expressed regret over the incident. Did not say who.
August 20th, 2007 at 7:32 pm
how long this process will continue that an half educated military person can beat physicaly and verbally an educated person.
alas there were no punishment and is not punishment of that.
a little army sergent does not fear to humilte a university teacher
“army personnel mercilessly beat three DU students and humiliated a teacher over a petty dispute concerning comments passed by spectators watching a soccer match ”
source: http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=895
my hertiest compliments to the students who has shown that if they are beaten without reason the can protest even against army.
my heartly salute to them.
army camp must be removed from dhaka university and the army presonnel must have to beg for forgiveness in public.
it hurts that this government really seems to be a millitary government.
August 20th, 2007 at 7:47 pm
How dare the army had set up camps inside DU! The barbarian Pak Army did not dare to do what our army has done today. The fascist nature of this army-backed illegitimate so called CTG has been exposed. There’s no difference between Khaleda-Nizami-Babar’s brutal police force and the present oppressors.
This government has lost people’s trust. It is losing credibility fast and its popularity is nosediving because of its incompetence, inefficiency and illegitimacy. Cracks and schisms have already started appearing within the army because of Jamaat elements gettng the upper hand in defence matters. This is a partisan CTG doing favours to rotten Jamaatis and likeminded BNP-wallahs. BNP elements whom the Jamaat-e-Islamis either don’t like or need them anymore are being discarded like prostitutes by the venomous criminal Jamaat-Al-Badr-Al-Shams and are being sent to jails in prison vans by the killer Jamaats of 1971.
Today’s incident is a clear sign of worse things to come if anti-liberation forces toy with Bangladesh’s democracy. This army backed government has miserably failed.
It is imperative that a new CTG with a credible head and 10 advisors with strong personalities are immediately sworn in to hold a eletion in 90 days.
This lameduck puppet spineless CTG must resign ASAP and make way for a new credible CTG run by avisors who mean business. The present caretakers are a disgrace for all previous CTGs.
N.B. Kawser Jamal is a fascist jackass licking the boots of military brutes!
August 20th, 2007 at 8:19 pm
Kawser, why so much hate for the DU students? You say: “these stupid DU students who doesn’t understand their own good.” Do you understand what is good for them? People have a funny way of determining their own self-interest without much outside help.
I understand that you are very passionate about your views and you clearly love Bangladesh. However, its a little bit autocratic to tell these “stupid” (your word) DU students what is for “their own good”. A bunch of students just got beaten and sent to the hospital by military men and there was not a single word of condemnation of that act in your comment, instead you launched into a tirade against DU students. What gives?
Finally, I am not sure why you thump your chest by telling people you are not scared of anybody and then post your address. It just makes no sense - this is not the kindergarten playground.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:22 pm
Mr. Kawser Jamal (#3 and others), It seems that chehara itself is enough for you to draw judgments between “Bosti” and “DU”. Your comment is elitist and discriminatory at so many levels that I dont want to waste space trying to educate you. If this is the leadership of Change Bangladesh, then it is a very shallow effort indeed.
Suit-coat porlei shob kichu thik hoye jai na. And for your information (I doubt you’ve ever been to DU campus), there are plenty of “gorib chele” who dont look polished in your Arkansas fashion who attend our public universities and do well. And the ones I know are much more generous and open in spirit than your comments are showing to be.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:24 pm
First of all we need to know what the actual definition of the corruption is .Abusing human right, extra judicial killings are very much in side the crime. In one hand you will do anti corruption drive and other hand you will
have any tolerances on Due process is not right. Basically major parameter of the society is to have basic right and freedom of press. Yesterday my respected teacher Zafar Iqbal wrote a fantastic ccolumn on prothom -alo and he explained beautifully about the whole picture. Now a days Neutral
Intellects like Dr Akbar Ali khan or Dr Zafar Iqbql are showing frustration about this Govt and Its policy. I have still respect for our Chief adviser Dr Farudiin or Anoarul Iqbal. Police IGP is also very sound man. But whom we are watching the most
controversial Barrister Mainul. This Care taker Govt is reminding me of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. Sorry to say character of Mr Hyde is dominating very much in this Govt.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:24 pm
I never thought I would say this, but I have to agree with KJ here. A bit of physical violence in what was in all likelihood one random incident (I don’t know the details) and suddenly everyone is going apeshit. But when the country is silently violated on a daily basis by our politicians, these kids are mostly happy to go their own way and have their cha-shingara in Modhu and TSC.
The funny thing, the cha-shingara is very likely paid for by the politicians. Or by chanda extorted from the small businessmen of Nilkhet, Gausia and New Market.
The cancer of corruption extends right down to the DU halls and its student groups. The moral high ground these students appear to claim so loudly is no higher than any other corrupt section of our society.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:30 pm
Mass movement against dictatorial army rule has always begun on our historic DU campus. I salute the brave students.
Most our so-called brave politicians and eminent lawyers and human rights activists and civil society leaders have been utterly spineless in speaking out against army rule, and the only voices consistent have been Hasina and Motia (you have to give credit to these two women). I salute you, brave students, for starting to speak out against these Majors running the show thinking they are the legitimate leaders of the people. There will be more clampdown against universities now, like all army rulers do.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:33 pm
Z and KJ,
The average students of DU are as much of thugs as we (all) muslims are terrorists. Get it? Generalization is fun when it is not against you. Next time you get labelled as one, don’t complain.
August 20th, 2007 at 8:40 pm
I know some of our army men’s “bloody civilian” attitude. I remember a lot of incidents during the “operation clean heart”. I myself was about to be humiliated and beaten up when I was smiling at an army man. Fortunately I was in a rikshaw and I could go out of the scene very quickly before he could stop me and do anything.
Army people should know that they are paid tax-payers’ money and they are expected to go through all sorts of state etiquette like other institutions. They have guns doesn’t mean they can beat up any one, whenever they like.
#11, Kawser bhai,
You mentioned it a bit wrong, those were not your “general” comments, rather “generalized” comments. I went to DU for some time for my undergrad and I can tell you, you have generalized a bit too much. Put those DU students in a good system, they will give you incredible outputs.
Anyway, I would expect army men to aplogize to the students if they were in fact wrong. Whatever happens, armed poeple should not beat up unarmed students. DU campus is not a battle field! We would be more interested in our army’s performance in a war with a big power, not with DU students:-)
August 20th, 2007 at 9:10 pm
saleha
Maybe so, but how many of those in the picture are “average students”? The average DU student almost never goes on any kind of political procession, either by day or by night. He’s an apolitical beast, because like the true bourgeois that he will grow up to be, he likes to preserve his own skin. On the other hand, these processions have their own in-built constituency and attendance list. I can tell you that as a former student of DU myself.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:23 pm
”I will land in dhaka airport in December 15th 2007.Meet me who ever has problem or any saying.”- Is it come from our Change Bangladesh Leader Kawser Jamal? I cant beleive.
I dont know whether it is come from his keyboard or his brain. If it is from his brain, i must say this is said by only the BOSTY Boys who were suppossed to be in the picture!
I wish if i were in the DU at that moment! I must salute the students who first protested it. I think these guys will be remembered always in the future.
August 20th, 2007 at 9:56 pm
The Army is playing with fire, maximum restraint has to be shown on their part otherwise things will escalate beyond control, that’s just my 2 cents
August 20th, 2007 at 10:03 pm
Bravo Kawser Jamal Bhai !!!
Spoken like a true overage student leader.
Tumi Agaie Jao ! Amra Achie Tomar Pichone (at a comfortable distance).
Would love to see how you fare in the DU melee after you land in Dhaka on December 15. Don’t forget to send pictures.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:25 pm
It takes incredible courage to go out and burst into demonstration against the army in a situation like this.
My salute to those DU students! Bravo, boys!
August 20th, 2007 at 10:31 pm
I’d have sympathy for these goons if they were real students. I didn’t go to DU, but I was a university student, and I remember students being interested in learning and then strive to get recruited into a good jobs.
These guys are gangsters, pure and simple. They wield guns, exercise power as if they belong to some mafiosi outfit, carry out a catalogue of crimes from extortion to serial rape (Jahangir University, circa 1997). And on top of that are the main cause of the dysfunctional sessions in BD universities.
In any other civilised country, “students” like these get beaten to within an inch of their lives. Nice to see Bangladesh approach civilisation.
August 20th, 2007 at 10:47 pm
I don’t know why people (in this Blog) are moving away from the Real Topic. Right now we all need to R-E-J-O-I-C-E on the fact that our very own Student-body finally made a voice to the innumerable unjust activities of the army battalion under CTG. Once again the students have proved that they are the life-blood of our power politics. But Ladies and Gentlemen we also need to pay attention to the word “cadres”. Guess what, the word cadre is associated with the DU students. Please don’t deny history! From years after years, the DU was closed just because this Cadre class would always create havoc and have the university Committee shut down the campus for unknown future. When I have my MA at the age of 27, I have my friends still working on their BA degrees. Today the ordinary students along with their guardians are happy as there is no such barriers and they are more likely to carry out their studies and be a regular student and hope about graduating in due time without getting any grey hair. Hey, don’t try to be SAINTs? Doesn’t your brother, sister, cousins, all say they are happy that they can have an uninterrupted semester now? Don’t you feel happy to hear them happy?
Why are we making Personal Attacks here?
You all are proving typical “Bengli” nature.
The WEST didn’t change your mentality at all. Common! And you tell me about Freedom of Speech and then you attack on people because they have substance in their voice.
Let’s come to the point. Find out how you can help these DU students (minus CADREs) to keep up with their mission to have a say in the community and so in Desh against the unjust rulings of the Army.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:06 pm
As all of the army are not bad, all the students of DU are not cadres. So what should we do in the situation like DU? we must regret the deeds of army and praise the students. And many of the people of Bangladesh are doing so without a few who blindly support ARMY backed CTG.
Lets see how army backed CTG control the general students’ movement.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:26 pm
Lets do keep two things in mind:
1. For all the violence and anarchy that the student wings of the political parties have taken part in, let’s not take away from the role that the general student body has played in bringing power-mongers down to size.
2. This was the action by junior officers whose new-found sense of power has gotten to their head. I still think the upper echelons have the good of the country in mind, but they need to convey it to the junior members of the armed forces that they are there to SERVE, not replace the netas and their ilk.
I should also like to note that the police, again, went to the Medical Centre of the University and Dhaka Medical too, to beat up the students who took shelter there. They this before around the December time, beating up students and professors alike at Bangladesh Medical. Police-er ei barbarism-o thamano lagbe.
And Kawser, tsk tsk tsk - I used to put the certain flavour of your posts down to over enthusiasm. Now that it seems its a very shukkho kind of holier-than-thou attitude, I feel don’t want to see the kind of “Change” you will bring to Bangladesh.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:30 pm
well I support this government. But the fact about this particular incident is, the half educated army does not no how to behave with their own citizens. They went to watch football match of general students where showing power and using abusive language was just unneccessary. again they have beaten general students. ‘just u have guns and therefore u think u can do what ever u like’, if that is the teaching of army of BD, then we should remove all educational (so called)institutions from the cantonment.
as an ex student of DU, I salute the students who stood up agaisnt gun barrels to protest this injustice. just to remind u that, when all the general students of DU (not political cadres and a few student leaders) want to achieve something, they always will. if u do not trust me, look at the history.
August 20th, 2007 at 11:32 pm
What I don’t quite understand is how this event is being seen to reflect more on the students rather than on the army personnel who allegedly started the incident (and I’m sticking to new reports until tomorrow when the ISPR version comes out, which will no doubt be different).
I count about 7-8 explicitly anti-DU students comments here. Fine, these DU students are “cadres”, “thugs”, whatever. What do those same commenters here feel about plain clothes personnel (according to New Age) who beat up three students (whose affiliation to political parties are not known to me) for blocking their view of a football match?
Next time I see a lawyer, a businessman, an NGO-wallah, a rickshawalla or even a DU student, am I allowed to beat them up because of negative group stereotypes?
August 20th, 2007 at 11:44 pm
mr kawser jamal…i hope that next time your innocent brother, father, cousin will get abused by the uneducated army sepoys (i am not talking about all of them) for silly things and then u will know how it feels.and i am confident that u will praise the act of bravery of those thugs for that.
and abou DU students…well i myself studied there. it has students from evrey corner of the coutry, from all financial and social backgronds.don’t judge a person by his/her dress, in partuclarly at time when they prostested instantly on some incident. ya i agree some of them should never be to DU (blame the admission test system), but 90% of DU students are decent and good human beings even though they might not look as polished as you are. and most importantly unlike u, they have a spine.
August 21st, 2007 at 12:05 am
Update from BDNews: (Ai ai ai…)
Angry students of Dhaka University late Monday chased a senior army official on the campus when he had gone to talk to them introducing himself as a teacher of the university, witnesses said. The official, a brigadier general, took two teachers of the university with him at 11:45pm to pacify the protesting students who rampaged through the campus for hours on end. The students however recognised and swore at him before they started kicking and pushing him. The official finally escaped the wrath by speeding away by a motorcycle, according to two bdnews24.com correspondents who witnessed the incident. Chairman of public administration department and DU assistant proctor Nazmul Ahsan Kalimullah was at the scene along with another teacher.
August 21st, 2007 at 3:03 am
Excellent bloggers.Wish you all the best and please say and badmouth more you can.Here is my my email address for you all who don’t have it
Kawserjamal@yahoo.com
And now some answers.
What ever you have to say, say to Kawser Jamal, don’t bring Change Bangladesh here. There is Change Bangladesh organization and there is Kawser Jamal an individual who thinks with his own mind and write with his own ideas and philosophy. I am not sold to Change Bangladesh. I live an independent life niether Change Bangladesh pay a dime for my living neither you all so called bloggers pay a dime for my living or neither I live on the petty cash of Tareq zia or Joy Wajed. That I have to watch what I say. I work hard to make a living. So bloggers who have nothing better to answer on my 8 points on DU students they just took on me personally for no reason, as I was not personal at all to any individuals or comments.
Yes Mash, when you get two cursy emails and message on face book about if you have the guts to say what I said on the firt blog posting, so I said I will and I will say what I need to say in december to when I be in dhaka.No matter even if Khaledah or Hasina in power or any body else.My response to my date and time of my arrival was my answer to hate emails that I got about my first postings.
Yes Mash I put my address and identity as clear as crystal because I am not afraid of anybody thats for sure, because neither I am corrupt nor was my late father or mother,so thats gives me the gutst to call spade an spade no matter who that is.
No where in the writing for last six months anybody can say that I Kawser Jamal supported CTG blindly. I am the first blogger who wrote why Sayeed Iskhandar was given a passage to leave the country had to deal with and I did deal with it boldly.
For other bloggers and patrons I was not disrespected to any bloggers or individual but in response you guys were disrespectful and did personal name calling and personal attack. What do you guys think? I can do personal attack? am I any weaker than any f—- 5 feet 2 inches Bangladishi in the world? No I am not but I am respectful to people and individuals and I will be.
I said what I have view in years about DU and said. I have seen them very closely and my comments were not for the innocent DU students its for the thugs and looters and sycophants of the Party activist and chamchas of lal and sada and JCD and Chatra league caders and goondas.
You guys are coward who are name calling because if you guys have the guts than you would be in Bangladesh and fight this facist goverment not live in USA in comfort like other leaders of the political party and just run a comfortable hate campaign and show your power and hatration under the hidden name who doesn’t even have guts to show his or her real identities.
The day Kawser Jamal would see the army brutality of this government and would see any fishy movement of the army to stay to power for ever and won’t give election in 08 , Kawser Jamal would get the next available flight to Bangladesh fight with the army. Kawser Jamal has done this in 1990 and he can do that again if needed in 2008.We love our country not our family and friends.
Anyways, please next time when you need to bad mout me just do it to me don’t bring Change Bangladesh as none of this are written under change Bangladesh and change bangladesh is an institution where Kawser Jamal is just a volunteer. Kawser Jamal has his own say and his own thinking mind that thinks freely. If ever things are written by Change Bangladesh than bring Change Bangladesh but not for my individual comments or saying.
thanks to all the blogger. Good that you all took out all the hidden venom on me. Really you guys don’t have any better in you than vengeance and hatration and degration of people and thats what both of your honest competent and articulate leader Hasina and Khaledah taught you.
Go AWL and BNP go merge and start a movement and become AWL and BNP bhai bhai. Wish you all the best.
thanks
Kawser Jamal
And Yes defintely again not scared of anybody and I can take challenge from any body on any ring any time anywhere in the world.This is Kawser Jamal, not any ordinary tom, dick and harry remember that.
August 21st, 2007 at 3:44 am
Kawser Jamal - I totally agree with you. The “students” of DU are no longer the students of Bhasha Andolon, they are now the same CADRE as the corrupt politicians. In fact they colluded with the corruption, instead of protesting against it.
The students of 1952 may have done us a language favor - but the “students” of DU today, were an embarrassment, a disgrace and a total shame for the nation.
They corrupted, they cheated, mastaaned, they left no crime untouched, they were total criminals, a black phase in the history of BD education.
Sorry for the “good students” - who have already sufferred the harrassment, the bullying and the bed name created by the hands of these “students”.
Basically, the students have lost their credibility, just as the politicians have.
The only way students can regain their credibility as students, is by acting AGAINST CRIME and CORRUPTION, and join the army CTG in cleaning up the academic campuses, and show the nation how they deserve to be AGAIN called students.
Until then, they deserve the same treatment as we should give to corrupt “politicians”. The campuses must be CLEANED of all crime - which the previous govts, (conveniently) failed to do.
Until that time - student protests HAVE NO VALUE.
August 21st, 2007 at 3:55 am
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No, its not true. The below link shows that Kawser Jamal is the owner of changebangladeash. So we must link between these two. We can only avoid linking between them when Kawser Jamal will stop linking between Khaleda Zia and BNP or Hasina and AL. We think there is the same relationship of Kawser Jamal/Changebangladesh and Khaleda Zia/ BNP or Hasina/AL.
http://samspade.org/whois/www.changebangladesh.org
August 21st, 2007 at 4:14 am
Much of the macho posturing and anti-DU student rants in this thread miss the bigger picture. The 1968-69 revolution that brought down Ayub Khan had its origin in something innocuous like this around Rawalpindi (there was a general movement in the East, but it was the West Pakistan uprising that surprised the Pak army). Will this incidence spark off another revolution? It alsmost certainly won’t. But this kind of incidence is likely to happen when you have the army outside the cantonments. This time round it will be managed, but what about the next time, or the time after? Add to this the general inflation situation in the country, continuous water and electricity problems, and festering labour unrests in the industrial zones - and one really starts to feel that we are sitting on a volcano that could go off at any time.
I’m not cheering for a revolution. When the state and society collapse and some faction captures power through violent means, we romanticise it as revolution. More often than not, revolutions create an order worse than that it replaces. In today’s Bangladesh, I’m not at all hopeful of a revolution delivering anything. But we really are a fuse away from anarchy that precedes revolutions.
You may think that the regime is wonderful, and no institution other than the army has any credibility and so on. But even if these were true, the regime is still facing a risk of explosion, and that should worry you.
August 21st, 2007 at 5:05 am
Jyoti,
I dont think the military regime is wonderful, but they certainly are much better than the previous shabby govts, who promoted filthy crime and corruption to rule the people.
We should have learnt by now that corruption has no place in democracy, and that to rid people of crime and corruption LAW ENFORCEMENT is the only way.
To prevent anarchy and orajokota, guns are far better than crime and corruption. So, if we ARE a fuse away from a volcano, then the army is what we realistically need - not a bunch of criminal student/politicians.
If you think the previous govts were better for us, then why were we constantly the most corrupt, the poorest and the most lawless nation in the world?
The army does not worry me - the imminent “volcano” in BD was far more worryting when the law, police, judges, mayors, doctors, students, professors, moulanas, DAUGHTERS OF THE NATION, all joined together to bleed the nation of ALL its national revenue - and rob it to destruction. That was far more worrying than the army.
August 21st, 2007 at 5:05 am
#K Gazi-
“The only way students can regain their credibility as students, is by acting AGAINST CRIME and CORRUPTION, and join the army CTG in cleaning up the academic campuses, and show the nation how they deserve to be AGAIN called students.”
Ans: Excellent Point Gazi. Your such Fatal comments indicate that you want Army should ask student to work on their behalf.
Just ask you some thing Gazi ” Are extra judicial Killing, Mass arrest is not crime?”
Who gave this army officer right to beat any student black an blue in the campus in a Football match.
Gazi I am watching In last 7/8 months you are just playing same old record. End of the the day My opinion is that you want to replace the corruption with bigger corruption, Extra Judicial killing, abusing human rights and lack of basic rights.
August 21st, 2007 at 5:28 am
#40, Tanoy Da, the army did not INVENT mass arrest and “extra judicial killing” - that technology was discovered by our favorite politicians LONG before 1/11.
However, the army has the Law Enforcement in thier hands, and like in any other country (including UK, EU, USA), the LAW has the FULL right to apply capital punishment in the ACT of maintaining law and order, when there is violence in the streets.
When CRIMINAL students harrass, extort and terrorize the PUBLIC, then they violate basic human rights far greater than what the army are doing.
The army are trying to brick order to the nation - the criminals are trying to do the reverse. Which side are you on, my friend??
August 21st, 2007 at 6:21 am
The military is well aware of the risk of this situation, hence the extraordinary steps taken by army high officials to apologize last night.
If Gen. Moeen U Ahmed is strategic, he will send a personal apology. It will cost him nothing, and it will soothe situation.
I don’t want DU students beaten up, I get heated when I see that TV footage, but I don’t want Hasina-Khaleda gong to return using the DU students once again! As they did in 1990, and in return DU students got nothing.
15 years was enough. I am willing to give these guys 2 years and see what they do.
August 21st, 2007 at 6:27 am
Take look at this video clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoixhGF9Nb0
I see two things:
1. Chief of Army Staff personally at hospital, and personally saying “if any of our troops have done anything wrong, we will take kothor steps against them.”
2. Students chasing and beating someone mercilessly (I don’t know who). So just as army juniors may have beat students, students also have the capacity to beat pretty lethally.
Things are many shades of grey. This is not 1990.
August 21st, 2007 at 6:33 am
[...] a heated debate goes on at Unheard Voices, not very surprisingly, there are quite a few voices against this student movement in favor of [...]
August 21st, 2007 at 6:49 am
There is no ONE way for people to do anything. The students can show their better nature by behaving with restraint and collective creativity. The military staff should show more restaint too when dealing with the rudest most arrogant sections of the student community.
The public is not funding them to escalate public nuicance. They are important to the intellectual and security futures of the country, so shouldnt be infantalised or used by proxy, to communicate the angst of the middle aged.
Sorry old chaps, the student revolution didn’t come, the spark didnt catch, the tindering actually isnt there yet.
August 21st, 2007 at 7:30 am
A few personal thoughts
1.I oppose army rule, and want democracy
2.I was a DU student in late 80s, and saw my education system collapse because of politicization.
3.At same time, when DU students were crucial in getting Ershad out, I was proud of them.
4.I was initially cautiously optimistic about both BNP and AL (thinking difference between them is on secularism, etc), but ultimately was deeply disappointed in both.
5.On Jan 11th, with all my allergy to army rule, I was at least relieved that at least the madness of collective national suicide has been paused.
6.I genuinely believe that the top brass (Moeen U Ahmed, etc), does not want to take over. I think if they wanted to do a military coup, they would have done it on day 1 or day 15, now it is difficult and late. Junior officers may be a different matter, but we have far less visibility into that tier.
7.But I also believe that army needs a face-saving exit strategy. If after doing all this, elections in Dec 08 bring in Hasina or Khaleda, there will be mass “shuddhi” campaign inside Army. Army cannot allow that, and as an institution I do not fault them– who would sign their own death warrant.
8.Whatever happens, I don’t want BNP/AL as it exists to come back, with this same leadership.
9.Jamaat is a scary specter. They are quietly gaining strength, and no one speaks about them. Army also has an Islamist bloc at junior levels.
Now, let’s consider last night:
1.At 11pm, I got a call from a journalist friend “Army deployed in DU”.
2.I instantly thought, “the junior officers are taking over, there is a military coup” (as has happened before). From then on, I was glued to TV, phone, internet, as were many others.
3.Rumor mill was in full swing. I heard of people barricaded in, army operation inside DU, etc.
4.At midnight a friend called and said Martial Law is being declared.
5.By 2 am, it was clear to me that only the initial fracas was between junior army officers and students. All subsequent conflicts were between riot police and students.
6.Today, when I saw the footage of the army chief saying “if we have made a mistake” I thought to myself, perhaps it was a small incident gone out of control.
7.Yes, Rawalpindi riots started from incidents this small, but the environment is not the same, not yet.
8.If this was the 4th year of a military coup, this incident would be the spark that set the country on fire. But this is not that situation yet.
9.There are a lot of people that are still watching and waiting. The honeymoon period of CTG is over, and every time Mainul Hossein or Matin open their mouth, the CTG loses another popularity point. But the rehabilitation of Hasina/Khaleda is not yet done.
10.National Security Council is a dangerous idea that is on the cards. That is what people should be getting upset about, not a scuffle on DU campus (but I do understand how it is easier to mobilize around symbol of student beating, rather than “council”– we Bengalis were never good at digesting complex issues)
..to be continued…
August 21st, 2007 at 7:31 am
1. Some army fellow bullshits a DU student [we do not know whether he is a THUG or a "GENTULMAN"] because he wielded an umbrella, which obstructed the view of a football match between two departments of DU, in DU campus.
2. A brawl starts as that army guy, probably a soldier or non-commissioned fellow [might have passed SSC], beats a DU student, and his fellow soldiers beat other students who came to rescue.
The students did not protest in very civil OXBRIDGE manner, we all admit that. Look how violently Mr. Kawser Jamal protested because some guy hinted at Change Bangladesh. What would have he done if someone called him names and slapped on his rosey cheeks? By the way, he is also from DU. People will not be very polite if you bully them and beat them down in their own ground. What would the MPs do if I slap some Army Officer in Cantonment?
The culture of slapping people around is barbaric. It is true that there are some “students” who are nothing more than mafia henchmen of some political pandaa, but how much of the total student body do they constitute? Students are not under a chain of command, one can be a lot different than another, and usually is.
The generalized conviction that the students did nothing against the corruption, or kissed TZs behind, can also be targeted as any other group in society. The lalon singers did nothing against the corruption, nor did fishermen in barguna, nor did teachers in kaomi madrassahs, nor did tala-chabi-saraiwallahs, perhaps they all live in busties, let’s go and slap them and kick some senses into them, should that be the attitude of Men at Arms or their staunch supporters like Mr. KJ the Kourageouos, who might land any time to fight the army singlehandedly, mano a mano?
And Mr. Jamal, you did not sound very empathetic to people living in BUSTIES. You remind if of the manner of HEEROK RAJA who eradicated poverty by eradicating poors. If bustipeople get slapped without a reason, they too have a right to protest, and I don’t think they’ve heard of Gandhi.
August 21st, 2007 at 7:53 am
Kawser Jamal sir, Thank you very much for providing both your US address, US phone #, and your arrival date in Dhaka. Kinthu sir, ogulo diye amra ki korbo? Apni ki chacchen apnake fool’er thora diye reception dey Zia Anthorjathik Airport e? Motorcade, a la Ferdous Ahmed Quraishi? Why do some people think Bangladesh bhorthi goru-gadha, all waiting for the hero to arrive from Arkansas, show us the way, show us the light, show us our errors, and yes, Change Bangladesh! Sorry bhaijan, those of us who live here are busy fighting the good fight in our own small way (in job, in journalism, in activism, in whatever). We are not waiting for the messiah.
Now let’s pull the curtain on the Kawser Jamal show and get back to real issues:
1.Now that DU protests are in Day 2, where will this go?
2.Is the CTG vulnerable? Should they be vulnerable? (don’t forget what will come in their place)
3.What if the student protests topple the military, and in that place the Islamists come? Are the students heros or chumps?
4.Is the student movement spontaneous, or is the AL/BNP’s comeback being manifested?
August 21st, 2007 at 7:53 am
Thank you SW Pirate! The chain of command point is very important.
DS reporting on contined violence in and around campus. Apparently army jeep set on fire and personnel beaten.
August 21st, 2007 at 7:54 am
Traffic jam everywhere in city as DU cordoned off. Cars smashed all around DU and near Jahangirnogor. Cloud of smoke visible near British Council.
Today it took 2 hours to get from one meeting to another in the morning. Traffic snarled everywhere.
August 21st, 2007 at 8:24 am
Eishob Dinratri,
Firstly, thanks for the eye witness account. For those of us overseas posturing about ’saving the country’ and ‘getting rid of corrupts and criminals’, a dose of exactly what is happening in Dhaka is the most valuable thing. We’d greatly appreciate if you, and others in Dhaka, continue to do so.
Now for your comments, I totally agree that we are not in Rawalpindi 1968. Maybe if this was the 4th year of martial law, but we are not there (yet). But this conflagration shows just how quickly things can get out of hand.
What will happen now? What should happen now? I think the best possible outcome would be for the army top brass to publicly state regret. As for your question about if this is spontaneous or being manifested, considering that when Hasina was arrested they could put only mount an 18 person rally, and considering all the JCD leaders are either in hiding or with Mannan Bhuiyan, I don’t see how this could be an AL/BNP planned thing. But then again, you’re in Dhaka bhai, you should tell us.
The regime should draw serious lessons from this. How many such incidents could the regime handle? What if we get a situation like Phulbari or Shonir Akhda? What if the jute mill workers go into rampage? The regime should expedite its exit strategy, whatever that may be, before it is too late.
August 21st, 2007 at 8:34 am
#51,,,
Army general ra nijera nijeder exit strategy thik na korle student rai money hoy exit strategy valo kore expedite koira dibo…
general/soldier ra thik ase…oder dorkar bipode apode… kintu chamcha ra. a la mannan bhuiyan etc. ..
sadhu sabdhan…
August 21st, 2007 at 8:36 am
This is the Daily Star updates… this says it all:
Breaking News
Violence spills out 2nd day on DU campus
Violence erupted on the second day today on the Dhaka University (DU) campus when hundreds of students confronted police at different points on the university premises. More
Breaking News
Agitating DU students burn effigy of army chief Moeen U Ahmed
Details will be available soon.
Breaking News
Jagannath University students clash with police on DU issue
Details will be available soon.
Breaking News
2 police men injured in cop-students clash on DU premises
Details will be available soon.
Breaking News
Students vandalise nearly 100 vehicles near Shahbag intersection
Details will be available soon.
Breaking News
DU students set fire to army jeep and beat up army personnel
Details will be available soon.
Breaking News
Protests break out on Sher-e-Bangla Agricultural University, JU, RU
Details will be available soon.
DU Teachers’ Association set to hold urgent meeting at 4:00pm
Details will be available soon.
August 21st, 2007 at 8:44 am
An excellent minute by minute, campus by camppus update is available in http://www.somewhereinblog.net
But that is is Bangla only.
August 21st, 2007 at 8:53 am
In my opinion, the whole thing started with a heavy handedness of the army, the reckless behavior of the students are responsible for the escalation. I am disappointed that the student were in NO mood for peaceful protest and peaceful negotiation. If the students become unruly and ransack public property shouldn’t they be punished. I can’t imagine the general student getting involved in all this violence and destruction of public property. I demand more restraint from the army personnel on campus and more restraint from the students.
August 21st, 2007 at 9:09 am
First of all, the Army personnel that started this incident should be judged under court martial. Then all students that broke the law should be arrested and put in jail. All properties that were damaged should be compensated collectively by all University students, till then Universities should be closed down and the students sent home.
August 21st, 2007 at 9:27 am
I guess there is no such law for collective punishment, but then how do you deter this kind of property damage, there has to be a way. If political party workers damage any property, as it is the party’s responsibility, it should pay - but if students damage property then where will they get the money to pay for the property value? If they cannot compensate by themselves, then a collective monetary punishment on the student body of the entire University may deter this kind of anarchist activity in the future.
Lets see how our CTG handles this situation, it is a good test for their ability.
August 21st, 2007 at 9:30 am
Khilji 56#
You are a genius Man for the great formula of solution. Just don’t frget every thing does have a due process. This Govt is unelected.
It Is not the 1975 /83 even 90.
Time has changed my Friend. World is open now.
Every information is coming out on Cyber age.
So re installing democrecy is impirtant.
August 21st, 2007 at 9:34 am
This crisis is spilling out of control for this so-called military backed government. Today (Tuesday) the students have burned vehicles, have beaten up two army officers (one of them a Brig gen).
For the last 10 months the army have been occupying DU Gym. What can justify this action? Why on earth a country’s army make a uni gym its barracks?
I am afraid it is getting out of hands. Today they have burnt the effigy of the army chief. And the angst is fully justify.
I do not understand one thing: If the Bangladesh army cannot keep peace in its own soil how would it keep it abroad?
And Mr Kawsar Jamal, everyone does not look like you. We did not know this bit of information that you are coming to the country. Why on earth we will want to know this. People like you are hired by some organisation to create nuisance in public forums. You are a nuisance. Bostir Chelera ki university-te porte parbe naa? The so-called corruption free country that your godfathers’ want to create, is it that there is no place for poor ppl in it? Bostir cheler moto lagle shommossha ki? amader 80% ppl live in abject poverty. Shobar to moin-fokruddin er moto pet mota, tortaja na. Ki korar ache? jinishpotrer je daam tate shobike-ye ektu gorib gorib lagche edaning.
anyway, Mr Jamal I am ignoring you, because there is no point in talking to someone like you.
August 21st, 2007 at 9:41 am
How about applying due process, what laws do we have in Bangladesh for property damage and how can they be applied for the students that are involved in this activity? What is the punishment for damaging someone else’s property? How about closing down universities till some students come forward and inform who were involved? I am just throwing ideas for a solution to these kind of problems. The public and tax payers did not build universities so it can a breeding ground for anarchists who would damage property of innocent public who were in the wrong place and the wrong time, do you support this kind of activity, it seems you are getting great pleasure out of this.
August 21st, 2007 at 9:46 am
Dear Students,
You should not forget that all corrupts are trying to put the CTG in deep trouble. They may try to use the emotion of the students.
Both Army and students are patriot and assets of our nation.Both should restrain and respect each other. Particular individuals must be found out to punish for their mis deeds.
Authority without any delay must be proactive to solve the problem. CGS of Bangladesh Army has visited the DU and ISPR has given a press release on the subject.
Adviser Home Affairs must take positive steps to solve it now.
August 21st, 2007 at 9:46 am
For any kind of revolution to be successful the people will have to be behind it, unfortunately for many of the gleeful posting here, the situation is not so, a few angry students cannot challenge a govt., unless of course the CTG screw up big time and loose public support overnight with their handling of this situation, a very unlikely scenario.
August 21st, 2007 at 9:46 am
Guys, I understand the passion but please give the Kawser Jamal issue a rest. I think everybody is upset at the new developments.
Looking through the myriads of comments, I find it rather amazing that how easily some expats living far away from ground zero are prescribing solutions one after another with no real knowledge of the ground. I live abroad as well but I at least have the awareness that I am in no position to offer solutions without talking to the people who are on the ground. My suggestion to them — talk to your friends and relatives in Dhaka a little bit more before offering your own brand of solutions.
What I am worried now is that this can be trigger point for certain block in the army to come out of the shadow and impose a full blown martial law. Then there is no turning back.
August 21st, 2007 at 9:54 am
Thanks Asif bhai. I am also worried, I am talking to my frnds in DU. The ground position is too much horrible. And you are right about the guessing of army comeout in broad day light with full swing.
August 21st, 2007 at 10:10 am
Asif,
At least with a full blown martial law things will be out in the open. The mask would have come off.
I, like you, want to believe that the army would go back to the barracks and leave the country to the legitimate political forces. However, I think we have missed that boat already. There is no going back. The army never had an exit strategy; they cannot risk going back now.
Check Shameran’s article on the NEW AGE for a good analysis of the ccurrent situation:
“A political commentator recently wrote of the Fakhruddin government that it is ‘an impostor from the constitutional point of view, irrelevant politically and parasitic power-wise’. Nothing could be closer to the truth, writes Shameran Abed”
My instincts are also to support the view that the present situation will turn into a preamble for a military rule.
August 21st, 2007 at 10:14 am
Military has agreed to withdraw the army camp from the campus.
August 21st, 2007 at 10:32 am
great news…..that’s what is the sprit of DU. it has students with courage to stand up against injustice. and though I like the this government’s action against the corrupted politician and criminals, they also should know the difference between corrupt politician, criminal and innocent public and students. AND ALSO LIKE TO REMIND TO THE ARMY PERSONNELS, THAT POWER COMES WITH RESPOSIBILITY, NOT FOR USING INDISCRIMINATELY.
August 21st, 2007 at 10:34 am
This is nothing more than some student clashing with some army folks in what can be seen as a confrontation between their own superiotity complex and ego. ( and in the process some students got dragged into the path of the collision )
Give it a week and it will all be settled. The M&M government is not so dumb that it will let things get out of hand due to such a frivilous incident.
August 21st, 2007 at 10:43 am
I think to take a stand on or understand the present scenario in Bangladesh, first of all, everyone should take cognizance of this that its Army or Khaleda/Hasina - Bangladesh has simply no other option now.
August 21st, 2007 at 10:44 am
Dear Asif Bhai, I was reading your post (#63) about ignoring KJ but that’s hard to do jokhon tini buk chaprey chechachchhen, is questioning the bostir-goonda appearance of DU students and then stating that he has not been disrespectful. Speaking of his complete and utter lack of respect, he also called people cowards and told them off for living in the US when he lives in there himself (but he’s going to mobilise when things get really rough), went on another rant about Change Bangladesh and it being a separate entity when he signs off with Change Bangladesh all the time, accused people of unleashing “hidden venom” on him and frothed at the mouth about not being some ordinary Tom, Dick or Harry (in third person, no less). Talk about self-importance! Maybe he should go practice his own “hatration and degration” somewhere else. He may well be doing Bangladesh a world of good by not being in it.
August 21st, 2007 at 11:08 am
This isn’t Paris 1968. These students are not the long-haired Trotskyist liberals fighting an imperial military government. Kawser Jamal is not the enemy. And these students are certainly not the heroic undergraduates of 1971.
For some reason, we’ve lost some logic along the way. We ascribe some abstract evil to the army without really able to pinpoint the exact crime they’re guilty of in real terms. Meanwhile, a bunch of angry “students” are being held up as the front line for our neo-liberal pro-democracy warriors.
Well that’s all very romantic, but what are these students without their sugar daddies? What would they be without the former MPs who have patronised these criminals and who take refuge in student halls and represnt nothing other than the “Student Wings” of some MP’s private para-milita. Some of these “heroic undergrads” are older than their lecturers and have committed their lives to running crime syndicates on campus. Who do they think they’re fooling?
I’m not a supporter of the army and God forbid we see a repition of Operation Clean Heart. But if these squalid criminals, sorry students, are representative of the democratic movement then we have a long long way to go. And if you wish to invest emotional support for these people, you really should re-think your liberal ideals, indeed, I’d say you forfeit your right to be called a liberal.
August 21st, 2007 at 11:16 am
Sid,
what is your basis of calling these students criminals? Do you have access to data or information that we are not aware? I am not sure how long you have followed student politics but history suggests whenver there has been intrusion in DU, common and usually apolitical students have jumped in. Shamsunnahar hall incident 4 years ago was a good example of that. Is there any reason to think that this whole thing was driven by party cadres?
August 21st, 2007 at 11:22 am
So men who carry AK47s, manufacturer bombs and who form orderly lines to fire these weapons at army soldiers are your average DU students? These cadres have been given the sheen of student-credibility for far too long, as have their corrupt political patrons.
August 21st, 2007 at 11:24 am
Please provide reference for these claims that all of these things that you have mentioned have taken place in the recent protest. What newspaper are you reading that we are not?
August 21st, 2007 at 11:26 am
Were you born yesterday?
August 21st, 2007 at 11:33 am
I really value being a part of UV. I’ve met some amazingly talented people here. And this, more than anything else, makes me hopeful about Bangladesh.
If there is one thing that sometimes frustrates me, however, is that sometimes some folks get a bit carried away and make claims that are simply quite odd. Take Sid (73) for example - which student protester has been carrying an AK 47 in last 24 hours?
On another point, those of you in Dhaka, please write about what is going on, how things are perceived, what’s the street reaction etc.
August 21st, 2007 at 11:35 am
RE #71 and #73
Historically, all student led mass protests were the contribution of general students or grass root student activists, not the cadres.
There was no cadre system in 1952.
In 1969, while Ayub was defeated by student led mass upsurge, cadres of NSF led by Khoka, Pachpattu etc unsuccessfully tried to contain the students.
Post 1971, when general students protested misrule, joining JSD en masse, AL Chhatra League cadres took the other side, hijacked DUCSU ballot box, committed seven murder at Mohsin hall.
During last days of Ershad, BNP cadres like Ovi, Niru worked for dictator Ershad and fought pitched gun battle with General students killing Dr Milon.
I can guarantee, the current movement is composed solely of general students. Cadres will not use their energy or ammunition for such non-productive venture. They will keep the energy for the next tender grabbing.
Calling all the protesting students AK47 carrying criminals is a sign of serious ignorance about student politics in Bangladesh.
August 21st, 2007 at 11:39 am
Come on, Sid. Before slandering the students like this and being a blogger for golmal, a little bit of research is the least we expect from you. I will ask again, which student protesters was carrying AK47 and throwing bombs at army in the protest yesterday and today that attributed you calling them criminals. I am open to your arguments and very much aware of cadre based politics in DU. But what I am trying to distinguish is that with the absence of party cadres from the campus, what makes you think that these protests are all done by thugs and not by angry protesters who felt humiliated because of army officers manhandling their fellow peer and a teacher at their own campus? No offense but I am always eager to find out if there are new facts behind these rash generalizations.
August 21st, 2007 at 11:41 am
It’s more than a little worrying to witness the acme of the Bangladeshi Liberal movement here on DP lend unconditional support to the most illiberal, criminal aspects of our polity simply because of what? sentiment?
Here’s an article on Student politics from our favourite liberal organ.
I don’t want students to be apolitical. But I would love to see the removal of gun-culture and cadre-culture from student politics.
August 21st, 2007 at 11:41 am
sid vai…u probably have noticed that when hasina was arrested, only 18 thug students (!!!!) brought out a procession and failed to create an appeal among the general students AND therfore they failed.
I have studied in DU and have seen what general students can do (i myself protested the beating of our female students by police at night in their dorms though I never had any political affiliation or whatsoever). I know most of the agitating fellas in this particular incident, r general students unlike those coward political cadres who only flex muscles when their party is in the power.The general DU students (not cadres and student leaders who are only .05% of the total students) really have the spines to standup against any power in the world if injustice has taken place.
ya I know some political cadres and their patron teachers (we used to call them terrorists) r trying to gain in the troubled water, soon they will fail if proper justice (punishment of the allaged army personnels) is not deleyed any more.
and to my beloved DHAKA UNI STUDENTS, PLEASE DO NOT VANDALISE THE PROPERTY OF OTHERS. I UNDERSTAND WHEN A PERSON IS BEATEN MERCILESSLY, HE CAN NOT CONTROL HIS/ HER RAGE AND JUST GETS HIS SENSE OUT OF HIS/HER CONTROL. BUT IT IS A BAD PRACTICE TO TRANSFER THIS RAGE TO INNOCENT CARS AND PEOPLE’S SHOPS.
TOGETHER STUDENTS, GOOD PATRIOTIC ARMY officers and jawans, BUSINESSMEN, GENERAL PUBLIC (MINUS CORRUPT POLITICIANS, POLITICALLY AFFILIATED STUDENTS, TEACHERS, CIVIL SERVICE CADRES AND POWER MONGER ARMY OFFICERS WHO DO NOT KNOW HOW AND WHEN TO USE POWER),WE SHOULD TRY TO BRING POSITIVE CHANGES TO BANGLADESH AND ALSO CHANGE IN DOING THINGS, THE WAY WE USED TO DO IT(SHOWING UNNECCARY POWERS JUST BECAUSE HAVING POWER (BY ARMY/POLICE), VANDALISING CARS-PROPERTIES (BY STUDENTS/POLITICAL ACTIVISTS/GENERAL PUBLIC ETC.)
EX- DU STUDENTS FROM UK
August 21st, 2007 at 11:50 am
OK guys, I retract my AK47 remark. I stand summarily reprimanded by your liberal outrage. I’m not that clued up on my firearms.
But all guns shoot bullets, don’t they?
August 21st, 2007 at 11:54 am
As information is sketchy, I would love to get updates from those on the ground in Dhaka. Yesterday when this started I thought it might get contained. But now that it has spread to 4 other campuses I am not so sure. I also doubt the army’s response will be subtle.
Sid, given what I have read so far of the incident that precipitated the protests and violence I am surprised by your comments. Protest movements often tend to start ostensibly in response to minor insults. However, they may be motivated by serious underlying grievances. What is happening on the ground has the potential to become very bloody - it also has the potential to result in a more severe crackdown or a counter-coup. Innocent people are likely to get killed. Throwing out generalizations and froth at the students is not particularly helpful.
August 21st, 2007 at 11:55 am
After some time
I find it silly how some NRB far away is cheering on baseless destruction and lawlessness (which some see as revolution?) :-))
I am hoping this will lead Army to stop playing nice and come full blown to restore some civility that is so lacking in Bangladeshi society. I suppose one of the reasons Bangladesh is so hard to govern is because the illiteracy is more than 50% and the literate ones are…….., well let’s just look at the pictures (easily excitable, baseless destruction) ……..they are the future?
Cheers
I found another piece is relevant
http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=589
August 21st, 2007 at 12:15 pm
Concerned Citizen,
No one is cheering these developments. We are all worried. Don’t think you are the only one who is concerned here.
Also if you think army rule will solve our problems in the society, I have a few suggestions.
1. Consider joining the army
2. Consider taking the citizenship of Burma or Pakistan.
If the literate ones throw out random superficial solutions like you, then you are right, there isn’t much hope. If you want to go a bit more in-depth into looking at NRBs talking about local issues, I suggest you look at the following site. These are some of the things we have predicting long time coming and we desperately wanted this govt to succeed. See the articles to see if we have tried to constructive or not. These were all published in mainstream newspapers.
http://dpwriters.wordpress.com
August 21st, 2007 at 12:29 pm
Janab Concerned Citzen,
Here is what I think revolutions are: when the social order collapses and the state machinery is captured by some faction through violent means, that is romanticised as a revolution. I also think revolutions often do more harm than good.
I think you’ll agree that this is not a very positive view of revolution. Given my generally dim view of revolutions above, I think you’ll agree that this is not something I’ll be cheering on.
Now, I think that we face the risk of social order breaking down in Bangladesh. I think that the regime is sitting on a powder keg. Do you disagree? Do you think I should not worry about a possible revolution?
August 21st, 2007 at 12:44 pm
It’s evening here in Dhaka. In the early afternoon, traffic was completely snarled. But in the afternoon, we had another meeting and this time traffic was normal in the direction of Manik Mia Avenue to Gulshan. But if protests were still raging @ DU, they would not necessarily spill there.
The news came out in the afternoon that the Army man who instigated the brawl has been removed. “In a statement Tuesday, the Inter-Service Public Relations Directorate said a probe opened into the army man’s role in the incident.”
This may or may not have done something to mollify the situation, or not.
Businesspeople I spoke to today are very worried, that this will indicate a return to the violent anarchy of the last one year.
But businesspeople are in a tight squeeze right now.
I celebrate student activism, I salute student politics, I applaud their brave role in ousting Ayub/Yahya, Ershad. But I hesitate to celebrate them now. Because if they oust the CTG, then what? What comes in its place? Have we given thought to what will fill that dangerous vacuum.
I was talking to an importer yesterday and he was talking about how the economy has come to a standstill by the misguided policies of the Army/CTG. We all saluted their anti-corruption campaign, but because they went after everyone (and yet, NOT everyone– we know who is still out and about), and because the tenor has been so against all business (”raghob bowal ebong chunoputi dhorbo”) business is terrified. No one is opening LCs for fear of investigation. Imports have plummeted, prices are shooting through the roof. Now that they have unleashed economic forces they do not understand, the Army is trying to do rationing and open special shops. Farhad Mazhar wrote sarcastically (he has his own agenda, more on that later) “Is the army now going to be opening muudi’r dokan? is this their role?”).
A banker at HSBC said money len-den has frozen because people are afraid to buy anything expensive (you may say they should not do wasteful consumption, but that is sepaate debate) and get targeted by joint forces. People are afraid to keep money in the bank because a swollen bank account will generate a letter from Dudok. The economy is going into slow-motion freeze and the Army has no idea how to revive it.
In this situation, I just want to get through the next two years and get to the elections. A weaker BNP and a weaker AL, sans Hasina/Khaleda, contest the elections and form a coalition govt because neither has enough seats. (Jamaat is wild card).
If the student violence will result in fullscale martial law, we are in a worse spot than before. If we are going to push the army’s back against the wall, are we ready for consequences.
At the same time, I don’t want to discount the student’s genuine resentment towards Army. I am sure that played a huge part in things spiralling out of control.
But now what?
The more scared the Army gets, the more dangerous it is. From what I have seen so far, Moeen U Ahmed seems at least to be an honest man (that is his rep). But if things don’t go well, he could easily get toppled by the hotheaded juniors. Imagine things are spinning out of control, Moeen U refuses to declare martial law, and he is overthrown by an ambitious General. Imagine that General is like Zia-ul-Huq, using Islam as his baton. Will that be the Bangladesh we wanted? Will the students be the heroes of 1968 then?
Although there is no predicting where histories will end up, I think a lot of France. The black and arab youth of the ghettos rose up and burned half the cities, and brought all of France to a standstill. As a dorect result of this, because of the fear that violence unleashed (tinged with race paranoia, at which the French excel), Nicolas Sarkozy (who had called the rioters “scum”) was elected. All commentators say that he catapulted to national prominence based on his response to the riots.
But why did black/arab youth not get what they wanted? Because it was spontaneous violence with no leaders, no spokesperson, no demands and no political party. All they could shout at the cameras was ‘cops out’ (an unlikely demand, why would police be withdrawn from the most crime-ridden banlieus after such an upsurge of violence– note I am NOT drawing a parallel with the army camp). So they did not get that demand, nor did they translate the riots into anything meaningful (other than some window dressing).
Something to think about.
I am rambling. It has been a long day. One an instinctive level, when I see the footage of police being chased, with my inherent Bangali suspicion of state/police (and our history) I cheer. Students heros, Police villains. Students heros, Army villain. But when I talk to the businessman who says if things continue like this “all industries will collapse”, I shiver. I don’t know which side to cheer. I fear only that the country will be the loser.
Am I also older? Is that what has changed? Has the world changed?
August 21st, 2007 at 12:52 pm
Asif S.,
I will respectfully decline your suggestion to taking citizenship in Pakistan / Burma :).
I do have dual citizenship (BD /USA) so the military regime maybe fulfilled, although, I doubt it.
“If the literate ones throw out random superficial solutions like you, then you are right, there isn’t much hope”
I agree but to the same point when an incident such as this is glamorize ((in the context this was, much like it is the BD tabloid press) when there are other much more important humanitarian situations like the flood situations (giving an account of how flood situation is going) than perhaps there is no hope.
I agree with you NRB does good things but some inconspicuously than others (whether it is sending money or contributing to scholarships)
Cheers
August 21st, 2007 at 12:57 pm
ED(86),
Thank you for the updates, and your worries. You articulate what many of us, sitting thousands of miles away from home, are thinking.
When this particular crisis is over, tomorrow, the day after, next week, we will have to get over the ‘regime is saving the country and ending crime and corruption’ rhetoric and start discussing its exit strategy.
August 21st, 2007 at 1:00 pm
P.S. I have a vested interest to see the law and order situation not deteriorate since my loved ones reside there so call me Bias in my opinion to see my loved ones safe to lead a safe and normal life.
Cheers
August 21st, 2007 at 1:23 pm
#3 and #11:
I am really disappointed by your comments..such a baseless and disgraceful comments!! Don’t forget that these are the same student society who always protest against injustice.
You must be related with some “Gunda” in Bangladesh Army; which gave you courage to flex muscle and throw open challenge for Dec 2007 in Dhaka Airport!!!
Anyway, I am not attacking anyone personally, but felt it is very disgraceful!!!!
***Another Issue with Moeen-gang***
Mr. Zafar Iqbal, wrote in Prothom Alo, that an Army Major handed a list of candidates to Chtg. Univ VC and “Nirdesh den” (gun point!!! not sure) to issue appointment letter. Poor VC had no choice, issued appointment letter for all of those cnadidates and silently resigned.
Is it corruption or something else?????
August 21st, 2007 at 1:59 pm
When this particular crisis is over, tomorrow, the day after, next week, we will have to get over the ‘regime is saving the country and ending crime and corruption’ rhetoric and start discussing its exit strategy.
Agreed, 100%.
I think this should be the rallying cry and the “ideological glue” that jons all concerned citizens from here onwards.
August 21st, 2007 at 2:13 pm
Have a look the vedio clip.
TV Grab from ATN: Brigadier General Chowdhury Fazlul Bari was shouted at, kicked, punched and pushed.
August 21st, 2007 at 2:39 pm
Just a gentle (or cynical) reminder to everyone who believes army generals when they say that action will be taken against those officers/sepoys responsible:
No action has been taken against the brutal joint-force murderers of Cholesh Ritchil
No action has been taken against the kidnappers of Kalpana Chakma
No action has been taken against the rapists and jomi-dokholdars around Hill Tracts for decades
No action has been taken against the corrupt within the army who’ve been involved in all the defense deals (frigates, migs, arms hauls to militants) even though they’re targeting politicians
No action whatsoever will be taken against those involved in the DU incident either… except… some students will be expelled, a bunch of others will be arrested (remember their faces were videotaped), their parents will be issued threats that they’ll lose their sons/daughters in crossfire, they will be tortured in custody so that they’re made an example of to warn other potential student agitators.
It’s easy to make this prediction. Just ask, what has been the pattern of justice given to army vs civilians, and you’ll find the answer. Of course, you can choose to believe assurances from the generals and nod your head when they say “politicians gave us nothing good in the last 36 years”…
August 21st, 2007 at 3:06 pm
What army did to the students was wrong… They should apologise publicly. At the same time can someone explain to me why and how it is justified to smash/destroy public vehicles and block roads …. anyone ????
August 21st, 2007 at 3:28 pm
Tear gas is not very pleasant.
Some of the behaviour i witnessed today was not becoming of students, however selected they are and wherever in the world. No Dhaka university is not Azhar, Qom,Oxbridge or Ivy, but it isnt the jungle. The founders would be very dissapointed. DU was founded as a kind of compensation to the bengal muslims for the Brits reuniting bengal. It was intended to make us less backward.
Emerging from shochib aloy late this afternoon,i came across this bashed up microbus, windows smashed and the windscreen beaten like the shell of a hardboiled egg, the driver was beside himself, bleeding and everything. He confirmed that the students did thisand was on his way to see his brother inlaw to figure out what to do with this vehicle (which i assume was not his).
Towards the university a bus had been set alight and there were neeatly organised rows of burning material lain around the place. Perhaps disrepect for other people’s property is a positive value for student mayhem fans.
Moving past geography and circling into more central area, there were cheeky photographers on motorcycles having a great time, today was a good day for business. Show the world how jacked up our society, show the country how mature the students are.
Students brandishing big sticks of bamboo had set up checkpoints, with the underlying belief that they owned the public roads, that nobody had rights to pass on wheeled transport other than them. A rickshawallah remarked along the lines of ‘they work so hard to get here and look what they become?’
there were plenty of students and blatant non students milling about, some with banners chanting and with the press dancing around them egging them on. Brave enough well away from the front lines. good pictures.
Nilkhet, Im hungry so stop for some haleem, the shop keeper was playing an interesting game with the shutters, half opening and then shutting them as people ran to and from the front lines. like headless chickens. I guess they were hostage to the situation.
An irate student inside regarded the students as the only vanguard protecting the people of the country, now that the political parties were not going to get involved, and that the whole country owed their right to speak and liberty to the dhaka uni students andolons. A very self serving argument which is keeping bangladesh back, but to be honest i think enough forces what to keep things that way.
The wage earners in the establishment didnt share that opinion, they, and the public at large had been obstructed by this overblown pride matter. A nuisance and a distraction.
Why does such a small matter in a football game have to be blown up like this? Im happy to hear that the CTG has decided to move the army camp. Thats in the public interest and will iA calm things down. 5 days of exams have now been postponed(Victory for the Porikha Pichanor Andolon Ltd), and there has been a lot of damage to public roads leaving a huge mess which im sure no student is going to be made to clear up with their own physical labour.
Where on earth did they (rioters) get so many tree stumps to burn? anyone for a BBQ?
August 21st, 2007 at 4:15 pm
Great writing fugstar……
August 21st, 2007 at 4:26 pm
fugstar,
I agree with you about the detrimental effect this is having on wage-earners and small businesses like the haleem-shop owner. But please note that the CTG itself evicted small businesses in a much larger way than the students ever will. Would love to hear your opinion on that one.
Re: “Perhaps disrepect for other people’s property is a positive value for student mayhem fans”. Pardon me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the students at the Lal Masjid do the same? Yet, on your blog, you call them “discriminated against”. What’s the logic there? “Secular” education bad, “Islamic” education good?
August 21st, 2007 at 4:52 pm
Jyoti,
Agreed, the existing social order is colonial hangovers much like the Railroad systems in Bangladesh. Unless everyone changes their perception about the common people that will never changes. The change needs to be by someone who can command respect and admiration of all class to be a mass movement. Dr. Yunus came out with a good message but he was immediately vilified as “Shud-khor”.
Like it or not social order or “status queue” exist everywhere, including the developed countries such as the United States. Although I would point out that the developed countries offers more opportunities for upward mobility. Right or wrong it is just the way world works but I am against violent uprising. Perhaps I am a pacifist :).
I would rather have a stable peaceful environment (even if temporarily by an Army regime as long as it is taking institutional reform initiatives –such as separation of judiciary, EC). I think it is much more beneficial to strength long term viability of a democracy. I know from family experience how businesses are not able to do as well as before but they do not want to see how things as they were either.
Everyone is making a short term sacrifices. I am not advocating Army stays forever; I would like election to take place by end of 2008 (as they agreed they would).
It pains me to see destructive damages of properties of innocent people. Glorification of this bangoo, jalaw, pudo mentality that has been the arsenal of corrupt politicians for so long. Doing so is reverting back to the old ways.
Cheers
August 21st, 2007 at 5:04 pm
AsifS, regarding post #89:
It isn’t acceptable to riot, but it is damned fun to do. Especially when you’re 23, face a sluggish job market, and have no other outlets for your frustration with, well, life. So when the government in its inestimable generosity provides you with a flaming brand of an excuse by setting up camps on your stomping grounds, you don’t ask questions. You pick up sticks, stones and whatever else is close at hand, and charge the army lines. And when the army fires tear gas and hurts you, in the heat of the moment, it’s totally okay to trash other peoples’ s***.
How do I know this?
I’m 23.
We all like to think that drugs, alcohol and the bored college student are western (specifically American) problems. Think again. We may come from a different, more conservative society, but in the end, young people will always be impulsive and quick to action. If you don’t harness this energy, they’ll vent, and it’s the after effects of this venting that we’re seeing on the streets of Dhaka now.
Hell, if I didn’t have a job to be getting on with, I’d probably join them.
August 21st, 2007 at 6:11 pm
asify,
One day you’ll need to realise that mentally hyperlinking seemingly related comments doesn’t really accomplish anything. DU and Lal are very different, historically and politically(regional, domestic).
The logic is.
1) my limited understanding of public good
2) the greater significance of DU on the brain of BD, than lal of pakistan and
3) the loser hangers on at DU are a very different kettle of fish to the foreign mujahidin that put Lal in the firing line.
4) being thoroughly physically inconvenienced and threatened by the situation.
CTG action and student action should be seperated. By interlinking i feel your angst against the CTG is coming through irrelevantly. both are useful tools i suppose.
This entire episode reflects shamefully on us. So i have no glee, no pride in this and will not promote glorification of misled youth bowing to their inner urges, its shame I feel.
The government is the government, and the students are the inexperienced ones with little responsibility. (when was the last time we heard of sitting dhaka university students….undertaking peacekeeping operations… sitting on ECNEC)
I was thinking of lal masjid when i was on campus today and how some forces were stuck in the bidrohi mode of civilisation building. This country has such big problems, and its allegedly brightest behave like this. The stark limits of peoples vision becomes clear, and its really quite depressing.
Anyway, BUET is where the real talent lies. Look how far it has got with the ‘no(open) politics line’?
DU is one of the only institutions of its kind in this country, which struggles with continuity because of said bidrohiness, which society workships and builds statues to celebrate and remind students of the flavour of greatness that their country values.
I think i might know why some folks like to live out your political battlefield through the campus of other people. It is related to the stories of your sahabas (Astag) and the nation building. It causes one to feel pride at the moment when revulsion is probably more fitting.
I’m more interesting in the academic activity there, and of DU registering globally as something significant, deep, problem solving, stonking and world class.
Thats why im very miffed and hopeful that these testosterone fueled and humiliated yoots wont get in my way tomorrow.
August 21st, 2007 at 6:30 pm
I am pleasantly surprised that people are not blindly supporting the “heroic” students. Peaceful protest is a democratic right, but destroying property is a crime. Cars and buses are imported they need to be replaced with additional hard-earnced foreign currency. While I salute the language movement and other historic student protests for legitimate national grievances, this incident simply shows how the students has been given a false sense of power by the Jalao Porao culture of the ruling political parties. I call for exemplary punishments for all crimes committed regardless of sides. Even though the Army has not been perfect before, after 1/11 they have an obligation to the country to show that they are just and they should publicly show it by punishing the criminal arrogant army personnel who started this incident. At the same time, all criminal students should be separated from the rest and treated as criminals which they are. And if the students continue to create unrest and disrupt public order without any legitimate reason, then I maintain that the concerned institutions should be closed down and the trouble makers sent home.
Also, I am glad finally someone pointed out the real reason for price increase, the business people are scared to go the banks and open L/C, everyone is keeping a low profile.
Come on Moeen and Fakhruddin, if you have taken charge of the nation, manage it for a change and try to be effective, dont sleep anymore, wake up, get the business people on board and bring some normalcy. You cannot do it alone, not with BDR doing import and food business, of which they know nothing about. Stop this stupid charade of fighting corruption and try to solve the real problems like flood, price increase, employment creation, getting ready for the 2008 election with a proper exit/entry strategy etc., don’t let the people down anymore, they need and deserve better. You have taken the torch and there is no way out till you create a better Bangladesh and a better leadership to hand it over to.
August 21st, 2007 at 7:51 pm
I was reading through the lines and can clearly see how you all are so insensitive and cut-throat creatures to argue about anything. No decency at all! If this is the nature of carrying out an argument for the sake of our country, there should not be any concept of Blogsphere. If we can’t respect each other’s views, how come we can expect others to do the same. That is probably why, foreign diplomats do not pay attention to whatsoever because they can clearly see that we are our own Enemies.
If this is the nature of young leadership, I denounce it. What kind of change we are trying to bring in our country if we can’t pay attention to each other’s views? It is simply an act of “kada churachuri”. You all should be ashamed of making up things against Kawser Jamal. Without understanding the intent of the message, you can’t simply pick on someone.
Is this the nature of our future leadership? Simple “kada churachuri” in the name of blogging, the same thing Hasina and Khaleda did in the name of power and politics.
I am worried about the Next Generation.
August 21st, 2007 at 7:54 pm
“Mentally hyperlinking comments”: I’ll give you this fugstar, you do come up with the best phrases at times. And sometimes you do make me laugh.
Someday I might realise that. I really hope you don’t take our constant jousts on DP too personally. I really feel that you have a lot to contribute to any society, if only you shed the ideological lenses that restrict you as much as AL/BNP ideological lenses restrict their respective supporters. You always have my email address and my blog to continue our little disagreements:).
Anyone reading your last comment can see how much you look down upon students at DU in comparison to the students at Lal. Testosterone is common to humanity, given by God. Thankfully even madrassahs haven’t been able to take that away! Yet, somehow the people at LM had a “cause” in your eyes, and the people at DU have none, simply testosterone filled angst.
Really?
August 21st, 2007 at 8:24 pm
“Our true nationality is mankind”
-H.G. Wells
Let’s practice to be kind: At least for the sake of the next generation.
August 21st, 2007 at 9:28 pm
Kawser Jamal bhai, don’t pay attention and get upset over some who are always ready to bring you down with the slightest of mis-steps. Bangladesh and its poor need people like you who are trying to make a difference and taking initiatives.
When you go to Bangladesh, if you meet someone important, please consider proposing the idea of getting expatriate and other experts involved with govt. departments for problem solving in restricted access internet forums.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:17 am
Except vandalism what else our uncivilized DU student leaders and teachers can do? They are proudly claiming them as a student and teacher of omuk and we can see their level of their education!!!!
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:14 am
Ah, if only it were true that the educated do not behave badly. Sadly, level of education may have nothing to do with the actions of the violent.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:31 pm
bara bari er fol bara bari hoy. army ra students der upor barabari korese (which was bad) and akhon students ra bara bari korse (which is equally bad).