Tue 31 Jul 2007
Webster dictionary explains the meaning of corruption as
1. impairment of integrity, virtue, or moral principle, depravity
2. decay, decomposition
3. inducement to wrong by improper or unlawful means (as bribery)
4. a departure from the original or from what is pure or correct.
Where as world bank’s conventional definition of corruption is ”the ‘abuse of public office for private gain”. Liberating ourselves from the way World Bank wants us to think, if we stick to the broader and a more meaningful meaning of Corruption, as noted in the Webster, I believe corruption is not definitely something that was created during last 15 years of democracy.
For the sake of time and space I’ll confine myself to the most recent history of our political geography and will start on June 23rd. June 23 of 1757 was the day when general Mir Zafar betrayed his leader Nabab Shiraj ud Doula and helped Col Clive win the battle of Plassey. I don’t know whether Mir Zafar stole money from the exchequer, but I know, for sure, that his act of treachery/ corruption sold the independence of Bengal to East India Company.
Then we saw repeat of this history many times, Mir Zafars kept on returning on every act of the political theater of Bengal. British Raj created a Babu class who will act against the interest of their creed and the country for materialistic benefits. Material benefit drove people to sacrifice their loyalty, allegiance, virtue all throughout the history.
During our war of independence, a very small portion (AL Badr, Al Shams) of the collaborators were ideologically against a secular independent Bangladesh. A majority of them were Rajakars. They were mostly community grassroots political activists and some top central leadership who found it more beneficial (Both fiscally, politically) to side with apparent mightier Pakistan Army. Without any apparent ideological reason, this vast majority of the collaborators took up arms against their own people, betrayed the blood/ethnic bond only to enjoy the empowerment and some materialistic gain.
Along came August 15, 1975. Suddenly whole of top ranking Awami League became staunch Anti Mujib. For many there were two options, either go into temporary political hibernation or again get the garland of ministerial perk/ power/money and betray loyalty to Mujib. For most of the leaders, the temptation of renewal of ministerial perk was much stronger than the shame of betraying Mujib. When President Zia came in, the 75 turncoat politicians became role model. All were lining up to sacrifice their life long political belief and hard work to be part of the ruling party and take a bite at the ruler’s pie.
When President Zia was killed, these people won’t even wait a year before becoming staunch critique of BNP (Zia’s party). What we are seeing today at the lobby and drawing room at Mannan Bhuiyan residence was played line by line, word by word during early 1982. During that time Huda- Matin started the pet talk of reform, debated over who controls more councilors and called for a Tolobi ( Requisition) council at Beauty Cinema Hall forming a new party called BNP ( Huda-Matin) which later merged with Ershad’s JP. Ershad’s nine years were in fact the hay day for the morally and financially corrupt. All who could absorb the shame of back stabbing the decade long principle, the suffering comrades, jumped Ershad bandwagon.
Last week I was watching a TV talk show where the two discussants were Ex Minister Ziauddin Bablu and Zahiruddin Sawpon. These two people are now staunch supporters of the current government. Bablu used his Chhatra Dal status to sell himself to Ershad, left BNP and joined Ershad’s government as minister. Similarly Swapon used his status as President of Biplobi Chhaatra Moitree to join BNP when BNP returned to power. Now both are trying to appease the current rulers to be part of the pie eating contest again.
The temptation sometimes may be way too high and people who once resisted later fall for it. Tofael is one such example.
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The reason I resorted to such a long story is to make the following point,
1. This culture of turncoat politics has ruined our politics. Politics has turned into a profession for the soul less opportunists devoid of ideology and morality.
2. Trust is missing in Bangladesh politics now a day. This led to dynastic control in Bangladesh politics. Political leaders are failing to trust his/her comrades and are being forced to resort to their family members, paving the way for familycracy. (e.g. can you tell me one name BNP chairperson Khaleda Zia can trust in case she is imprisoned?)
3. You eat the bread and butter to its last grain, enjoy the power/perks and would not lodge a single word of protest if your boss makes any mistake. On the contrary you defend all what the boss does only to maximize your gulping of the pie. But when the boss gets deposed, another stronger boss comes in town, you start crusade against old boss. This is corruption. Pure, basic, untainted corruption.
4. A question always comes; you do not hesitate for even a second before changing your allegiance to the stronger boss from the north end of the town. What will happen when an even stronger boss, may be the army chief of a different country, may be India may be Pakistan comes in town and demand your allegiance. Didn’t it happen in case of that stooge called Iajuddin? How safe is the country at the hand of these political prostitutes?
5. I would tend to say this moral corruption is worse than stealing public money. That makes Giausuddin Mamun less a criminal than Khondkar Mustaque, Huda, Sawpon, Moudud, Mannan, Suranjit, Amu etc. Do you agree?
July 31st, 2007 at 5:08 am
With all due respect, this article is so absurd it’s almost surreal. “When the boss gets deposed, another stronger boss comes in town, you start crusade against old boss. This is corruption. Pure, basic, untainted corruption.” Really?? You really think so??? What about this?
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=8689&geo=12&size=A
or this?
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/4/prweb365741.htm
or this?
http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/Media/Corrupt_millionaire_ministers_in_Bangladesh_62193.html
I don’t know why you are so keen to give Tareque Rahman a free pass, but I personally think it’s a remarkable achievement that you have managed to avoid even a single mention of his name in an article which is ostensibly about the BNP. Nothing can be written about the BNP’s last 5 years of misrule without talking about him. And yet his name is so toxic, so radioactive that you have contrived to leave it out of your discussion entirely. Like they say: it does not compute.
Perhaps we should be training the heavy artillery at the right targets. Just a thought.
July 31st, 2007 at 5:19 am
Didn’t get it Zubaer. How it gives Tareq a free pass? The link you gave have nothing to do with the thrust of this blog. Those issues have been discussed zillions of time. And the alleged criminal is in jail now. Nation, however, is patiently waiting for the government to prove all these allegations in a court of law.
You probably even didn’t read this rather long blog in full. Just read here and there, used your stereotype about the blogger and came up with an meaningless comment.
July 31st, 2007 at 6:37 am
Re #2, this article gives Tareq Rahman a free pass because it doesn’t criticize him once, anywhere, in any form. And that is simply unacceptable! However, I won’t repeat that mistake. I believe the current floods are being caused by Tareq and Mamun, because they have buried their ill-begotten crores underneath all the rivers of Bangladesh, that would simultaneously explain why the rivers have flooded so easily so fast, and also why the government is having such a hard time creating a corruption case against Tareq that will survive in a court of law.
On a different note, I think the above post raises an excellent point about sell-outs and turncoats. The current advisors include an ex-IGP, a diplomat who regularly used to wax eloquently about the fabulous achievements of the 2001-06 BNP government from his lofty post in the UN, and Khaleda Zia’s handpicked DGFI and Anti-Corruption Commission chief. How they can all now shrilly lecture us against the ills of the last sixteen years is quite beyond me, since they were so much a part of the very power structure they so vehemently oppose. The same goes for the army’s top brass, it’s well-known that none of our current gallant generals got where they are without having acted as Saeed Iskandar’s lackey-boys.
At a contrast, I think there are several individuals in Bangladesh whom I would listen to much more respectfully, if they were to come out and decry the past political governments. Barrister Rafiqul Huq is one such person, he has shielded his legal clients from all the wrath of the state for so long, and even after such a long time, only he dares answer the call to defend Sheikh Hasina when it goes out. Bodruddin Omor and Syed Abul Moksud would also fall in this category, both had consistently and rationally been critical of the BNP government and its various ineffeciencies and mistakes, when many of our current advisors were serving in various posts under the same government.
I think, in the end, this whole sorry episode in our country’s democratic history will act as a lesson to our future leaders about the limits of personal loyalty, the foolishness of elevating retired bureaucrats and soldiers to the top echelons of party leadership and crowding out tried and tested partymen, and the utter futility of putting puppets in top posts of our republic. The puppets don’t really notice, or care, who’s controlling them, they happily dance along even after the strings change hands.
July 31st, 2007 at 6:49 am
Samarkand #3,
The blog title is “the other kind of corruption”.
Not “All kind of corruption”. You must already know what kind of corruption I tried to talk about. And that is why Tarek Zia’s name have not been brought up unnecessarily.
If you folks are having an withdrawl syndrome from the favorite past time of invoking Tarek name, here is a therapy for you. This was written when Tarek was in power, not in jail.
This UV blog was posted on Oct 9 2006
BNP completes five years
Major traits of BNP’s five year rule:
1. Gigantic 60 strong ministry.
2. Tareque Zia.
3. Failure to protect the minority during post election violence in different districts.
4. Killing of Ekushey TV.
5. Tareque Zia.
6. Removal and humiliation of Dr Badruddoza Chowdhury.
7. Syndicate.
8. Ruthless barbaric oppression on Bikalpa Dhara programs.
9. Tareque Zia.
10. Systemic BNPization of the government machinery.
11. Major Syed Iskander.
12. Rise of reckless Hawa Bhavan. Cricket and Tehari fun during oposition Gherao of Hawa Bhavan keeping all of Dhaka locked out.
13. Barkatullah Bhulu.
14. Ignoring warnings of Islamic militant threat and term them as creations of Media.
15. Violent, corrupt, uncontrollable unaccounted for police brutality on opposition.
16. Tareque Zia.
17. Laudable efforts by education state minister is eradicating cheating in public exams.
18. Shameless corruption in all public sectors.
19. Ruhul Kuddus Talukdar Dulu.
20. Blatant, unbelievable partisan mismanagement and abuse of national health sector.
21. Popular RAB, relative feeling of safety.
22. Tareque Zia.
23. Unforeseen failure in power sector under direct supervision of PMO.
24. Giasuddin -Al Mamun.
25. Failure in the basic job of a democratic Bangladesh government, keeping the essential prices under control.
26. Nasiruddin Pintu.
27. Successful extermination of JMB and Bangla Bhai.
28. Tareque Zia.
29. Chief Whip Delwar Hossain and his son and cafeteria rice.
30. Tareque Zia.
31. Destruction of national carrier Biman.
32. Captain Shameem Iskander.
33. A forgotten Zia.
34. Failed Tata deal.
35. Successful Rupali Bank deal.
36. Tareque Zia.
37. Major Syed Iskander.
38. “Allar Mal Allah Nichhe”: Air vice Marshall Altaf.
39. Corruption.
40. Load Shedding.
For comments on this thread read this link.
July 31st, 2007 at 3:22 pm
Zubaer from #1,
With all due respect, two of the three links you provided are press releases, not news items. The third “news item” is from a dubious “news” source.
This is not a defence of Tareque Rahman, but if you are going to make accusations and attack this blog post, you cannot cite bought-and-paid-for press releases as if they are news.
July 31st, 2007 at 4:44 pm
Agree with Mash. I also was curious to check the sources and was little disappointed when I checked it out.
Not to mention, this post is talking about the turn coat politicians, since Tareq is a differnt kind of criminal, his name didn’t come here.
Sharmin
July 31st, 2007 at 4:56 pm
I like Samarkhand’s posting and agree that the current flood is also because of Mamun and Tareq. In fact, those two are behind global climate change as well.
In all seriousness, is this a sign of another form of massive hystyria that is rampant in the country?
http://rumiahmed.wordpress.com/2007/07/19/mass-hysteria/
July 31st, 2007 at 5:17 pm
Apologies for bringing up Tareq again (since he’s not the focus of the blog entry); but wanted to point out that he’s not necessarily a “different kind of criminal”. It is true that he didn’t have to jump ship like others mentioned in the entry (literally beginning with Lord Clive’s era), but that was because he got to exploit his position staying within BNP. Why would he turn his back to BNP when the power he needed to intimidate people and extort money came from BNP hang-out Hawa Bhaban?
On the case of him being a traitor a la Mir Jafar for material gain – he fits the profile quite well. He did befriend the very enemies of the nation – who not only opposed independence of BD, but actually did everything they could to help the enemy, including handing over the freedom fighters to the enemies so they could kill them.
Tareque also went to visit Ershad back in October – the military tyrant of 9 years who destroyed the fiber of democracy in BD – and offered him huge money for his allegiance to BNP in the upcoming election. You don’t call it betrayal? Betrayal to 150 million people?
Please think about everything Tareq did with the blessing of his mother the chair person of BNP – who, as the blog points out, may not have anybody left anymore to come to her rescue, someone that she could trust to get her out of ‘trouble’ (!).
The traitors forgot that it was Tareq’s money that harbored the militants in the north of BD, who helped the BNP strong holds by eliminating their opponents. The traitors forgot that some of them even paid 20 crores Taka to keep a murderer son out of trouble – and a huge portion of that money went straight to BNP election fund.
Yes, the people who benefited from BNP’s thuggery are very ungrateful indeed. Very unfortunate. tsk tsk
To answer the question posted in the last line of the entry “That makes Giausuddin Mamun less a criminal than Khondkar Mustaque, Huda, Sawpon, Moudud, Mannan, Suranjit, Amu etc. Do you agree?”
NO. I DO NOT AGREE.
Seriously, give me a break!
July 31st, 2007 at 5:18 pm
Tareque and Mamun: The New Inconvenient Truth. Now, the question is which one of the duo gets to be played by Leonardo DiCaprio, and which one by Al Gore.
July 31st, 2007 at 5:42 pm
ummmm…zafa, you made a very strong case against Tareque, indeed. Well done. But the question at the end mentions Mamun and not Tareque. While Tareque may indeed be the mother of all evils, Mamun seemed to be in it for the money and not a political career and hence I think the poster is trying to make a subtle distinction between people who are corrupt financially vs turncoat politicians who are corrupt on principles. Which one is more harmful?
Because the 2nd category is not “apparently” corrupt, they to me actually get away with murder. Jamat is not an exception to it. They are such turn coats as well.
July 31st, 2007 at 5:51 pm
My point is that people like Mamun, who latch on people like Tareque for financial and other gain, knowing fully well what they are capable of (you called him ‘mother of evil’), are not “less of a criminal”.
So I stand by my answer. No. I still do not agree.
People like Mamun and Babar and the numerous beneficiaries (business associates) they created are not different kind of criminals.
They betray the people of BD one way or the other.
BTW, I was not trying to make a strong case for Tareq’s guilt. I used him as an example of the people who didn’t make it the “list” in the blog entry, or who were considered lesser of the evil.
July 31st, 2007 at 5:52 pm
Again folks it is not about Tarek’s crimes.
Those who can’t deviate their focus from Tarek are advised to do either of the two things,
1. Write about Tarek’s alleged crimes in their own blogs. We will be glad to participate.
2. Help Dudok build a case against Tarek. Dudok is apparently taking too long time doing so. All those have been mentioned above should ensure 50 times hanging for Tarek. Now please inform Dudok of these crimes. ( Please don’t forget to send some evidence along too. )
And for God’s sake please keep this post a Tarek free post for the rest of the thread. This is a friendly request from a fellow blogger.
July 31st, 2007 at 6:28 pm
“The traitors forgot that it was Tareq’s money that harbored the militants in the north of BD, who helped the BNP strong holds by eliminating their opponents.”
Re #8, I’m still astounded, nay, flabbergasted, at the inane statements being bandied around here. Let’s take a look at them.
Firstly, I’m not sure what the phrase “helped the BNP strong holds by eliminating their opponents” means. Stronghold (one word) is defined by Webster’s dictionary as 1: a fortified place : FORTRESS 2: a place dominated by a particular group. And places don’t have opponents, do they? Peopl do. Maybe the word you were looking for is stalwarts.
Now, leaving behind the syntax of the argument and looking at it logic, it’s similarly flawed. BNP, I think won all five of the Rajshahi parliamentary seats in 1991 (I may be wrong). They won the Mayoral election in 1994, won four of the five seats in the 1996 election, and won all five in 2001 elections. In both 1996 and 2001, they won seventeen out of the eighteen seats in greater Rajshahi (Rajshahi, Naogan, Natore, Chapai Nawabganj).
Now knowing all this, why do you think BNP would support a rag-tag group of renegades in their Northern bastion? Please, someone explain the logic to me.What do you think they would achieve? Political control? They already have that, in a very great amount, in the areas surrounding Rajshahi and in Rajshahi, won as freely, fairly and democratically possible in Bangladesh.
I raise these comments in regards to the specific accusation that was raised in post #8. If there’s something I’m missing concerning the logic motivating that particular position, I’ll be glad to learn of it. If, on introspection, it appears that this probably does not make sense, but there was some other reason which made more sense, I’d love to hear those too.
July 31st, 2007 at 7:08 pm
Re: comment #12:
Your first advice is respectfully declined. I have no intention of spending my valuable time on talking about Tareq, or what a good student his wife was (as was done in one of DP’s post), or how his brother was captured for 24 hours and threatened to be prosecuted for his crimes if he and their mother did not go to exile…..or evidences of his crimes that would “hang him 50 times”. As I said in #11 proving their guilt is not the point of my argument. If Tareq continues to be in jail, and Mamun roams free when the next government comes to power, Mamun will not think twice about showing his allegiance to them. In fact he already ‘sold out’ Tareq during his confession. I know of at least one business associate of Tareq-Mamun who was initially picked up and after spending a month in jail spilled the beans on which foreign accounts they (Tareq, Mamun and four other friends of theirs) used, to stash the money. This guy is now enjoying all sorts of immunity by this CTG. They are all cut from the same cloth. It is not true that they have any sense of loyalty to any party or the people of BD.
As for your second advice, I am not in favor of a lot of actions ACC is currently undertaking; and as I understand from your writings you are not either. A lot of the crimes committed by a lot of people during the last government’s tenure have not been proved. But the truth is, chunks of money continued to disappear from government funds. To this date, nobody has been proven accountable for any of those loots.
As for making the thread “free of Tareq” – that is an interesting notion. I understand that it helps your case; but talking about corruption in BD’s political history – ‘different kind’ or not – and not including Tareq because by some strange logic he did not fit the criteria as the turn-coat politicians is odd to say the least (for the lack of better expression).
I was just curious about something: is DP blog planning on adding a cautionary note to each entry? For example a note that says “These are the words that cannot be used to make comments in this thread” followed by some words hand-picked by the author?
Re: comment #13
When you call a comment ‘inane’ – I’m sure it’s just your own opinion, and you are surely entitled to that. When you say you were ‘flabbergasted’, that kind of gives away your bias. The connection between former BNP MPs, Tareq and the JMB militants became front page news (I’ll provide links when I can make some time to dig up) based on the confessions of the convicts and those of the jailed MPs during interrogations.
The word ‘stronghold’ also means ‘control’, ‘monopoly’, ‘cartel’. I’m sorry I do not have more time to elaborate on the rhetoric. I’m sure you can search it out yourself.
The political control went to BNP by intimidation/threats in many areas. Even after winning the Parliamentary seats, there were fights between the BNP and other parties (not AL only). The JBM outfitters were hired to silence the opponents. The JMB king-pin at that time boasted his newly acquired skill, having been trained in Afghanistan (based on his own confession).
Re: comment # 15
The kinds of businessmen you are talking about are the victims of the kinds I am calling ‘criminal’. I am talking about the kind who intimidated aspiring businessmen and in some cases even crushed their hopes and dreams. Sounds familiar? The one businessman I mentioned as roaming free after spending a month in jail and cutting a deal with CTG (aka Go**y), didn’t you call him a criminal in one of your comments (quite a while ago, after Tareq’s arrest)?
July 31st, 2007 at 7:52 pm
“People like Mamun and ……betray the people of BD one way or the other”. This is too broad a swing. The business people who under compulsion had to deal with the Hawa Bhavan crowd to do any business with the Government did not have a choice. It was either they pay or they go broke. Calling this group evil or criminals is an injustice.
Cheers
July 31st, 2007 at 9:21 pm
“I believe corruption is not definitely something that was created during last 15 years of democracy” No doubt the seed was sowed long before.
“Politics has turned into a profession for the soul less opportunists devoid of ideology and morality.” – As such these needs to be cleaned, hence the need for reform. Who would clean it! that is the question. Of course not the politicians who are beneficiary of this.
“Trust is missing in Bangladesh politics now a day. This led to dynastic control in Bangladesh politics.” – Strengthens the belief that politics need to be reformed from what it had been of-late.
“You eat the bread and butter to its last grain, enjoy the power/perks and would not lodge a single word of protest if your boss makes any mistake. On the contrary you defend all what the boss does only to maximize your gulping of the pie.” – that is the problem. That is why these people needs to be identified and taken care of.
“But when the boss gets deposed, another stronger boss comes in town, you start crusade against old boss. This is corruption. Pure, basic, untainted corruption.” - Not always. When and only when the later boss is equally bad or worse. Theoretically if the later boss is better than the former boss, than it may not be seen as corruption, I suppose. The later boss my even be seen as a saviour from the former boss who might have been corrupt, dispassionate, void of any quality.
“How safe is the country at the hand of these political prostitutes?” – If I presume that it is not safe, then it has to be some one other than the politicians who has to take the responsibility. After all such politicians are not for serving the purpose of country. But the problem is when one starts taking action against these profit seeking politicians, we start crying out loud.
Anyway, may be the true call for reform has to come from within politicians. Politics has to be refined from within this political culture. I guess, the intervention of CTG will help democracy in the long run, irrespective of its impact on short term. Why? As everybody seems to agree that political parties had been on rampant corruption and had an unprofessional manner in which they were running the country void of a pint of compromising attitude between the two leader. The present situation is a making of their own intransigent attitude, their selfish nature, attitude not to budge from their own viewpoint at all, etc etc…. I am absolutely positive, democracy will return, within 2008 – if CTG keeps its promise, or later through force like 1990, if they fail to keep their promise.
Now once democracy returns next time, these two parties and their leaders will learn to be more compromising and flexible. They will be more responsible. They will be less corrupt because of fear of being caught later and put behind bar. As such, they will act more responsibly. Possibly next generation politicians will thus be better of. My wishful thinking.
“I would tend to say this moral corruption is worse than stealing public money.”
Depends. Can’t be absolute. Depends on the magnitude of the corruption itself. Example: Moral Corruption – “For a Constable taking bribe of 100, for a teacher – not taking class, for a Judge favoring one over other knowing the truth to be otherwise, for a citizen working against country, knowingly, for an intellectual supporting corruption knowing it to be wrong”.
Now compare this to stealing public money in following manner: “stealing 100 Crores, forcing Tender for Millions”. I am definite most will agree that the later is much more grave.
Having said that I would opine that corruption starts from moral degradation.
Talking about MirZafars, we have seen betrayers in every age and in every time. Both in uniform and not in uniform. The most recent one was this: The pact with Ershad by BNP and later by AL. Should not we hold the leaders of these two party under whose patron nation has witnessed such betrayal! This was nothing but a unique manifestation of not only moral dishonesty / corruption but total moral bankruptcy. This was a betrayal with the spiit of 1990.
Thanks
July 31st, 2007 at 10:29 pm
Rumi Bhai,
I agree trun coat politicians are bad, now think how bad are those who recruit them in their parties.
The political party bosses know this are turn coats that’s why they appoint them because then they won’t worry about principles.
Do you think the bosses even try to go recruit the honest and hard working members for their important positions?
-Sharmin
July 31st, 2007 at 10:59 pm
“The other kind of corruption” namely betrayal did not begin with Mir Jafar in 1857, it started with Adam and Eve, when Eve ate the apple of forbiddence! Human behaviour on corruption is instinctive and built-in - PEOPLE ARE BY-NATURE corrupt.
This is why we need Jails, Courts, Police, Law, Referees, Umpires and Penalties. Without these rules, humans are as uncivilized as Neanderthals.
All the talk about increasing moral values by Chief Justices in BD, and even Mukhund Dubey in his article are very amusing, coz the ONLY WAY to “increase moral value” is by the fear of punishment for violation, and by refining the LEGAL system.
Why cant BD politicians trust anyone else, when their own SONS and DAUGHTERS are Dagi Chors? Because the politicians (and Court Justices) established a legal system that is full of holes loopholes and failures. The LAW in BD has been a law of the jungle.
Judges took bribes, Court was controlled by politicians, PM’s son was a thief, FM’s son was a burglar, and the VVIP’s wife was a fraud.
Under these conditions, what is the people’s outlook on corruption? Forget the WB and Webster, did Bangladesh as a nation have a definition of CORRUPTION? The answer is obviously NO.
If a Dagi Chor like Ershad can be in market for political bidding, by two main parties, then what value does turncoat politics have in corruption? Ershad should have been banned from politics 10 years ago. Likewise, ANY POLITICIAN who has any member of family EVER convicted of corruption should be banned from politics for life. Thats the ONLY way to increase moral value.
Moral value has obviously not increased with the reading of Holy Quran!! So how will BD increase moral value? The answer is a TIGHT system of law and punishment. BD will only benefit in moral value by jailing and prosecuting PROVEN corrupt politicians.
The reason BD has declined so much in crime corruption, whether that kind, or the other kind of corruption, is because the politicians have been TOO lenient on themselves, with their pursuit of Orajokotar Shadhinota - the freedom of anarchy!
Tighten their belts, like the rest of the world, and see how moral value increases and corruption decreases.
July 31st, 2007 at 11:22 pm
Hmm! other kind of corruption.
After a long time, Rumi could came out of the labyrinthe of Financial or money laundering corruption. We had been after Tariq and financial corruption for months after months.
I believe, people will come to right track when they will get exposed to so many different types of corruption or criminality.
Criminality can be: embezzlement of money, abuse of administrative or political power, harasssing, persecuting and torturng innocents, engage in killing people for power, position or moneytary gains, giving biased verdicts by judges exonerating criminals and punishing the innocent, establishing the wrong and trashing the right, pleading for the criminals by attorneys just for money without heeding to help the court to cater justice and so on.
All of the above crminalities or corruptions are offshoots of moral corruption or bankruptcy. That’s why telling lies is considered as the mother of all evils. Those who can lie randomly without having the sense of shame they can do any bad thing.
We as the bloggers are also engaged in one kind of corruption like just some of us stucked around Tariq and Mammon micheifs but blind about what Sheik Hasina did with her family, and lackeys did during last 27 years after her return to this country from Naintal, India. Tariq and his gong were mostly engageed in looting money but the other Hasina was engaged in all form of criminalities: perhaps conspiring in killing Zia, betraying the nation while colluding with Ershad and participating the 1986 election, fomenting poliical anarchies at different times through Naintal-trained Lagaatar Horal, gherao, arsion, vandalizing public properties, burnnig people alive in bus, merry-making and dancing on people after killing them logi-boita-lathi, shutting down the whole nation, magical threat cospiring with NGOs to dethrone democratically elected government, grabbing GonoBahavon through puppet MPs and finally pioneering state-sponsored extortion and amassing countless crores of money in scores of different bank accounts in and outside the country.
Compared to multiplicities of corruption of Hasina, Tariq is still the novice. He only engaged in money but not yet involved in killing, persecution and torture. He is pretty innocent compared to her aunt Hasina.
If we oversight Hasina’s criminality we do injustice to hour conscience and engage in another kind of corruption.
Thanks.
August 1st, 2007 at 3:38 am
Mir Zafar’s existed in every corner of the world throughout history, not just in Bangladesh. The British Empire flourished because they were able to use diplomacy, intellect, military force, and trade to get a foothold around the world and to rule over the indigenous people.
Bangladeshi’s in general have become morally corrupt, our politicians are just a reflection of ourselves. Say for example one of our family member is arrested for murdering a stranger, I am sure most of us will try to get him/her released even if it means paying bribes to the police or using any political connection that we or someone we know may have.
Same thing happens when someone wants to bag a government contract. People approach the ministers or their agents with bags of cash or significant ownership of their companies to secure a deal. Any person no matter how honest will surely be tempted by such offers.
Comment # 17 offers the perfect definition of turncoat politicians. These turncoats were selected by KZ/SH because they are reliable turncoast, they will not raise their voices unless their own wellbeing is under threat. They rely on their respective parties to stay beyond the reach of the law. They know that if harrassed by the ruling party they can shut the country down by calling Hartals and violent street agitation.
We must all take our share of the blame for what Bangladesh has become - the most corrupt nation on earth.
August 1st, 2007 at 3:52 am
Comment # 14. Point taken. No argument there.
Cheers
August 1st, 2007 at 4:34 am
Country Report - Updater: August 1st 2007
The Economist Intelligence Unit 01 August 2007
Outlook for 2007-08: Domestic politics
Democracy is unlikely to be reinstated during 2007-08, with the military-backed caretaker government expected to remain in power throughout the forecast period. The interim administration, led by Fakhruddin Ahmed, a former governor of Bangladesh Bank (BB, the central bank), continues to make progress on reforms to the electoral system that international monitoring agencies and one of the two main political parties deem essential for a free and fair election to take place.
These reforms include issuing voter identity cards and preparing a new electoral register, which would contain photographs of voters, a task that is expected take at least 12 months to complete, or even longer if the preparations include door-to-door visits.
In July the Election Commission announced an electoral “roadmap”, which scheduled the general election for October-December 2008, with local elections due to be held at an unspecified date before then. However, even if the electoral reforms are completed on time, the timing of the next general election could be further complicated by the monsoon season, which runs from June to September and could push back the date of the election to 2009.
The current constitution provides for a unique arrangement for preparing parliamentary elections. The outgoing government hands over power to a caretaker government made up of non-partisan advisers whose constitutional mandate is to make the necessary preparations for the poll. This transfer of power occurred in October 2006, but was marred by controversy after the president, Iajuddin Ahmed, appointed himself as the chief adviser to the caretaker government. Following weeks of violent protests on the streets and persistent concerns about the ability of the caretaker government to hold a free and fair legislative poll, on January 11th Iajuddin Ahmed resigned as chief adviser, cancelled the parliamentary election and declared a state of emergency. A new interim government, with Fakhruddin Ahmed as chief adviser, was appointed the next day.
Despite the imposition of emergency rule, the general public has broadly welcomed the change of political regime, having tired of the feuding between the leaders of the two main political parties, Sheikh Hasina Wajed, the leader of the Awami League (AL), and the head of the Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP), Khaleda Zia. Their feud was often characterised by hartals (strikes) and transport blockades organised by the two leaders’ respective supporters.
Reforms to the electoral process are expected to progress at a steady pace, but the current administration will continue to pursue measures that go far beyond its constitutional remit of preparing for parliamentary elections, such as its campaign against corruption, which has resulted in thousands of arrests, including the detention of Sheikh Hasina. In addition to the anti-corruption drive, the caretaker government will oversee the implementation of the budget for fiscal year 2007/08 (July-June). Although this is not an unusual administrative role for the caretaker government, its drafting of the budget was.
Despite the announcement of the electoral roadmap, given Bangladesh’s history of military dictatorships, concerns about a return to full military rule are likely to persist. These fears will be fuelled both by the attempts of the caretaker government to push through political reforms and by the strong influence of the army. Not only will the armed forces be responsible for the overall security of the country, but they will also continue to be responsible for administrative activities, such as the preparation of voter identity cards.
However, the risk of a revolt against the head of the military, General Moeen U Ahmed, by radical elements within the army has been reduced by the actions of the caretaker government, which decided in May to extend the tenure of General Ahmed and to appoint the newly promoted Lieutenant-General Masud Uddin Chowdhury (who is thought to be in favour of a military government) to an administrative position. He was previously in command of the country’s most powerful and strategic army division, the 9th Division.
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August 1st, 2007 at 6:43 am
This may be off topic as it is not about turncoat politicians, my request to the admin would be to move it to a new topic if needed, otherwise I will understand if it is not allowed to be posted.
Speaking of corruption, I wanted to point out one facet of our national participation in corruption where the poor and rich participated with equal vigor for 6 decades and I do not know its extent at present time. There is a series of article here:
http://www.asiantribune.com/index.php?q=node/6757
After going through the 14 part article, I came away with renewed appreciation that grievous wrong has been done with minority Hindu population in Bangladesh and the full extent of which is either a taboo subject or not well known to all.
It is my hobby to study history of different regions to come up with cause and effect links in the chain of events. The partition is a puzzling event in the history of the sub-continent, as I could not understand how Muslims could be interested, deluded or misled to form a different country, what were the leaders thinking and how did they move the masses and sold this as a dream to them. Sure there was mistrust and fear of a majority Hindu oppression but it does not explain the whole story.
In my observation I found that forming a separate country did not make sense for the following reasons:
- the Indian Muslim community gets divided into three separate landmass
- it artificially cuts a relatively unified Hindustan that was together for almost a 1000 years under Muslim and British rule, specially the current landmass of Pakistan and Bangladesh which were always under Muslim rule, unlike some South Indian states
- trade and business would be adversely affected between these two hostile Muslim and Hindu dominated state
My hypothesis is the following:
- the muslim leadership did not want to be ruled under a Hindu majority
- muslim elite wanted a majority Muslim dominion of their own where they could be absolute leaders without Hindu interference
- muslim elite and middle class mobilized and fooled the masses and sold their dream of Pakistan for their selfish interest as they stood to benefit the most in this new country where they would become the unchallenged master
- the long term implications of Partition were misunderstood and not studied in earnest
The more I delve into it, the more I realize the depth of frustration felt by Gandhi, Abul Kalam Azad and Badshah Khan, who tried with all their might to stop this from happening. But India in 1940’s was a communal powder keg after a divide and rule policy of 90 years since the first independence movement of 1857 where Hindu’s and Muslims fought together to kick out the invader and all it needed was some match light. Jinnah, Suhrwardy and others were there to light it. The Direct action riot in Calcutta was planned by Suhrwardy and was helped by the British led police inaction and I do not know why the British would be interested to see a divided India. Neheru, Sardar Patel and other congress leaders were convinced that there would be civil war between Hindu’s and Muslims if Partition did not happen. So eventually Gandhi agreed reluctantly, but he never accepted it.
Whatever little my life experience and whatever historical studies I have made, my personal opinion is that it would have been better to keep India together, even at the expense of a civil war. Casualty would have been more or less than the estimated 1 million that died in Partition but the future of the people of sub-continent would have been incalculably better than what we have today.
The eventual breakup of Pakistan was just a side-note to this larger mistake, to show the magnitude of the error that was made in those crucial years, by our past leaders. This in no way means we can go back to history, as the sub-continental history, I believe, have changed forever, without ever having any chance to go back to the point of 1947, namely to have a chance to be united again, despite many pipe dreams of Akhanda Hindustan by some dreamers in India.
Finally coming back to the topic of corruption by our people, it exposed one of the ugliest but universal of Human character, which also happens to be the prime motivators of Human - namely greed for material objects. I think as soon as the idea of Partition was proposed, the majority realized they stood to gain the property of the minority at little or no cost as they could easily be driven off. This single fact a pure economic reason I believe was the most important factor why partition became popular among masses in majority Muslim areas. All the harassment, killing, rape etc. are just methods to the end, which was to gain the property when the owner left their ancestral home.
Why I brought all this old story, because the minority rights of Hindu population in Bangladesh with still a relatively large population of more than 15 million, is directly related to the pattern that was set with the idea of partition, namely the Muslim masses illegitimate and evil eye towards the property of the vulnerable Hindu community.
My suggestion to our current and future leadership of Bangladesh would be to work on correcting this fundamental problem that was created with Partition, that is protection of property of minorities, through the constitutional amendments and through judicious enforcement practice. This is not to appease India or the West or any other external agents. As decent human beings and good upright Muslims, this is to acknowledge that we as a people have committed a crime for far too long and we must take measures to stop the practice immediately and make sure that it does not happen in our midst again. Surely we cannot change the past, but we can change the future by what we do today. A country and nation cannot be built on fundamental unfairness that was engaged to by a large cross section of the people and not checked by its so called enlightened leaders.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:49 pm
Mr Rumi, honestly, did you get where you perhaps wanted to go out of your brilliant posting? I wouldnt agree that you got even close.
Almost a repeatation of history,nicely briefed and sequenced, how and why it happened found little interest.
You shouldn’t have unlist any of them. That is why, as seen, if you say Suronjit, question comes how about Huda, so the spring ball moves. And we fail to conclude to a solution that corruption and incompetence should be curtailed, no matter who the turncoats are.
Same thing happening in the main stream media. One write against, another defends.
Mirzafar was helped by the propaganda that Siraj was corrupt, inefficient and not capable etc etc. so came the Lord Clive in his aid.
August 1st, 2007 at 3:45 pm
Re #15, of course the comments mirror my opinion and my bias. But that shouldn’t matter really, because I didn’t present my convictions as arguments. I presented the results of the last three general elections in Bangladesh and asked you how you squared your allegations against those facts.
“The political control went to BNP by intimidation/threats in many areas.”
Really, even after five years of AL rule during 1996-2001, BNP won those seats in 2001 by intimidation? Does that sound likely?
“Even after winning the Parliamentary seats, there were fights between the BNP and other parties (not AL only).”
I don’t know what you mean by “fights”. If you mean political opposition and conflict, then of course there was, that’s what a political democracy is about.
“The JBM outfitters were hired to silence the opponents. The JMB king-pin at that time boasted his newly acquired skill, having been trained in Afghanistan (based on his own confession).”
How do you make that leap of judgement? And to make sense of the soup acronym, are you talking about JBM or JMB? And how is their training at all relevant to the question I asked?
“The connection between former BNP MPs, Tareq and the JMB militants became front page news (I’ll provide links when I can make some time to dig up) based on the confessions of the convicts and those of the jailed MPs during interrogations.”
I don’t know how reliable the confessions wrung out of people during remand nowadays really are. But even if you’re prepared to set store on these confessions, did you see the front page articles on Prothom Alo and Daily Star after Barrister Aminul Haque was convicted for thirty-one and a half years? Prothom Alo’s article was based on hearsay and an anonymous former Rajshahi MP. Daily Star’s one, I think, depended mostly on the current IGP, Nur Mohammed. The article had the IG begging Mr. Haque to, supposedly, do something about the situation. What it doesn’t explain is what hindered IG Mohammed to do something as the DIG of Rajshahi range with all the available forces under his direct chain of command. Additionally, the government has Mizanur Rahman Minu and Ruhul Quddus Talukdar Dulu in prison right now. Did the government use confessions from them to convict Barrister Haque? No, they did not. Did IG Mohammed give evidence against Barrister Haque? No, he did not. The only apparent evidence against Barrister Haque was that one of the witnesses claimed that he overheard one of the defendants talking to Barrister Haque over the cell phone. And on the strength of this evidence, a conviction of thirty-one plus years was handed down.
And speaking of newspaper articles, here is one from Bhorer Kagoj. It quotes the plaintiff, Fazlur Rahman, as saying that he thought that Haque was connected to the people who tortured him because, wait for it, he wrote a letter to him and didn’t get any responses.
http://bhorerkagoj.net/online/news.php?id=5246&sys=1
August 1st, 2007 at 7:39 pm
Two different kind of news:
In the following, SH questions how can a low level officer (A deputy Director seems to not fit her standing) serve notice to an ex-prime minister, hence it is illegal. Obviously she thinks that SH deserves place and should be treated different than any other citizen of the country. Who says law is equal to all!
http://www.thedailystar.net/2007/08/02/d70802012012.htm
In the follwoing link, KZ pays her due share. I thought as a Prime Minister, once upon a time, she should have set example by paying tax in due time. If the PM does not follow the rule, why should others! Who says PM in Democracy is a civil rep!
Other kind of corruption - it starts from home, it starts from one’s mentality that one harbours.
Thanks.
August 1st, 2007 at 9:14 pm
This is to all, let us revisit the history.
Timeline: after Ayub took over power.
Laying Down the Law
Monday, Mar. 09, 1959
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,825663,00.html
I hope you guys will love it.
To Be “Happier & Freer”
Monday, Oct. 20, 1958
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,863959,00.html
Please do not get shocked to know that even in those days our so called great leaders were fighting for powers very badly and military took over power. All those idiot civil societ ppl are lying about the political history of Bangladesh formerly east pakistan. This civil society ppl are the real mirjafors.
The Hoarders
Monday, Nov. 03, 1958
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,810574,00.html
Do not worry, the history is just being repeated.
The Generals Take Over
Monday, Oct. 20, 1958
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,863958,00.html
And this is what happens to countries like us when the super powers try to play some silly games at our expences.
A game being played over and over and we get fooled all the time.
And Then There Was One
Monday, Nov. 10, 1958
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,938024,00.html
This is what Ayub said about politicians in those days.
.” What will happen to all the politicians thrown out of office by his coup? ”They should pray a little bit now and ask forgiveness from God for their sins.” Pakistan’s troubles, said Ayub Khan, arose from the clash of power between the President and the Prime Minister: “I say, after you have elected a man for a fixed period, it is much better to let him have a run instead of pulling his leg every day.”
Any different. How much history you want to learn. I would still say Tareq is a victim of conspiracy.
People like Sheikh mujibur rahman, Abul monsoor ahmed were convicted of corrution, served jail terms and were banned from politics.
Corruption has alwas been the golden trump card presented to us by the generals.
August 1st, 2007 at 9:35 pm
LTT at #16
” Theoretically if the later boss is better than the former boss, than it may not be seen as corruption, I suppose. The later boss my even be seen as a saviour from the former boss ……”
I am surprised at such a silly point from a debater of your calibre. On 16th August, 75: Mostaque/Faruq were the greatest, the messiah, the saviours. During summer of 1982, for Huda-Matin gong, Ershad was a better boss. And similarly lately for Mannan-Amu… Moeen/Masud (???) are the better bosses.
It does not really matter who the turncoats think are the better boss. What matters more is how a boss became the boss.
In fact all the rest of the points you made are very weak, can be quashed easily and much below your standard. I was wondering are you just debating against your heart?
August 1st, 2007 at 10:18 pm
Let us revist the history. See for yourself the civil society corruption. It is not Zia who let farooq, Rashid flee Bangladesh. Zia was in jail when on November 6, 1975 farooq arrived in Bangkok on a plane. Who were in control then Khalid Mosharraf. What do we know.
President of Bangladesh Resigns, Nearly 3 months after Coup, in confrontation with military officers
By William Borders
Special to New york Times
New Delhi, Thursday, Nov 6 - President Khondoker Moshtaque Ahmed of Bangladesh who took over power in a coup d’rtat two and one half months ago, has decided to resign, the Bangladesh radio announced this morning.
The president’s resignation, which was clearly forced, wnded a tense, three day confrontation between him and a group of generals who are now apparently running the government.
The radio announcement, monitored in India, said that, under a newly proclaimed amendment to the constitution, Chief Justice A.M. Sayem of the Supreme Court was sworn in as Presiden later today.
Since Mr. Sayem is non political, his designation was regarded as a sign that the military junta would still be in control, but that it was eager to have at least the semblence of a civilian government.
The announcement that president Mostaque Ahmed had yielded came after midnight, at the end of a long day in which the pressure on him had been steadily built up by the reports of these other developments.
Two former prime ministers and atleast two other high ranking political leaders whome President Mostaque Ahmed had imprisoned were killed this week in a Dacca jail.
The young army officers charged with the killings, who were also the president’s principal protectors, fled to Thailland, seeking asylum.
In Bangkok, Lieut. Col. Farooq Rehman, who was a key figure in the overthrow of Sheikh mujib, said he and his colleagues had left Dacca in an airplane provided by President Moshtaque Ahmed.
President Mostaque Ahmed, who came to power after Sheikh Mujibur Rahman was overthrown and killed last Aug. 15 has not been heard since the crisis began before dawn on Monday. In fact, his name had not been mentioned on the radio until the announcement of his resignation.
Part 1
link will be provided after the piece is completed
August 1st, 2007 at 10:39 pm
Part 2
President of Bangladesh Resigns, Nearly 3 months after Coup, in confrontation with military officers
By William Borders
Special to New york Times
Although Bangladesh has been virtually sealed off from the rest of the world, all week, reports reaching New Delhi through diplomatic channels indicate that the country has been calm and that except for the jail killings, this drawn out coup detat was bloodless.
The four, who are known to have been killed were Tajuddin ahmed and Monsoor Ali both former prime ministers; former vice president Syed Nazrul Islam and a former commerce minister A.H.M Kamruzzaman. They had all been arrested in August under a martial law decree.
The four were leaders, with Sheikh Mujib, in long struggle for independence from Pakistan.
Mr. Tajuddin Ahmed, who was 50 years old, was the first prime minister of Bangladeh. He served as the head of the Government until Sheikh Mujibur Rahman was released from Pakistani prison where he was held durin the Indian-Pakistani war of 1971, which led to the independence of Bangladesh.
Mr. Monsoor Ali, who was 57 had, like Sheikh Mujib, been jailed by the Pakistanis during the campaign for independence. When Sheikh Mujib was president, he was prime minister, and thus his role in the Government was largely ceremonial.
Mr. Nazrul Islam, 50, was one of the chief architects of the independence struggle. Mr. Kamruzzaman, who was 49 led the campaign from within the Pakistani Parliament in the 1960’s.
Ever since the Aug, 15 coup which overthrew Sheikh Mujib senior officers had been locked in conflict with younger majors and colonels who staged the coup.
The younger men, increasingly fearful for their lives, had been living with President Moshtaque Ahmed in the Presidential palace. They are the ones whose leaders showed up in Thailand, charged by the new Bangladesh Government with the killings in the Dacca jail.
Although the New bangladesh Government has released the names of only four politicians who were murdered, some authoritative reports in New Delhe put the number at eight or ten.
August 1st, 2007 at 11:00 pm
Part 3
President of Bangladesh Resigns, Nearly 3 months after Coup, in confrontation with military officers
By William Borders
Special to New york Times
The killing apparently took place Sunday or Monday, and thus either precipitated the crisis, which began early monday morning, or grow out of it.
At the direction of the men now running the country, the Dacca radio reffered to the murders as “heinous crimes” and said that a judicial panel, headed by a supreme court judge, had been set up to investigate.
The government of India had been displeased with some of the directions taken by President Moshtaque Ahmed. An official statement issued in New Delhi expressed great shock at the killings of four former Bangladesh leaders “who were held in high regard in India”.
As of early this morning, the Bangladesh Government’s announcement had made no mention of any military junta. But authiritative sources in New Delhe said that two of its most prominent members were Maj. Gen. Khalid Mosharraf, army chief of staff, and Maj. Gen. Khalliur Rahman, chief of the defense staff, either of whome might emerge as the strongman.
Others said to be in the inner military circle included Comdr. Musharaf Hussain Khan the nave chief of staff, Vice Marshall Raled of the air force, and a Col. Shaffat Jamil.
Bangladesh a swampy and overcrowded land of 75million people, has grown accustomed to political violence. Several thousand political murders are said to have been commited in the four years since the war in which the country won its independence from Pkistan.
But, there were indications that the jail killings had aroused intense resentment among the sagment of the population that still regars Sheikh Muji9b fondly as the father of the country.
End
You can read the full article from here
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FA0A13F63D5F14738DDDAF0894D9415B858BF1D3
So, how can we believe the civil society at all. Shouldn’t we call this information corruption. This article proves that Zia did not help farook, rashid, dalim to flee Banladesh. They did have some negotiation between khaled mosharraf group, Mostaque ahmed, and farooq gong and was given a plane to flee to Bangkok. Zia was in jail during that period.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:43 am
Thanks abar Zigay for all the links. Although these are somehow unrelated to the current post, our readers may use these for future reference.
BTW, all what you mentioned have already been discussed in several previous posts in this blog.
Here are they,
Zia: A freedom fighter and a visionery leader
Ziaur Rahman and The force
Colonel Taher Khaled Mosharraf ATM Haider
Colonel Taher Khaled Mosharraf ATM Haider II
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:46 am
It little out of place Because I did not find any appropriate thread. But HRW has issued the letter to Chief adviser Dr Fakruddin Ahmed regrading Issue of Journalist Tasneem Khali& Human rights Issue of Bangladesh.
HRW has already sent an open letter to Bangladesh Govt regarding Tasneem&Human right issue. whole thing is in HRW Website as well. E-Bangladesh also covered it up.
these are related link-
http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2007/08/01/bangla16556.htm
http://www.tasneemkhalil.com/bangladesh-open-letter
http://e-bangladesh.org/topnews/an-open-letter-of-hrw-to-fakhruddin-ahmed-about-tasneem-khalil–bangladesh-human-rights.html
At least those links will clear up all the clear picture of Tasneem’s condition and I hope propaganda machine will be stopped now.
Because Since last three months Tasneem &Suchi(His Wife) facing very heard time in abroad.
They have a one year kid . .If this is the picture of the Bangladesh for the freedoom of press, I feel really shame .
DP has done so far good job regarding Tasneem issue.
I hope DP will shed some light on this issue
as Human rights organization. But If there are any limitations no problem because so far DP has done really good job on the period of his arrest.
Thanks
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:06 am
Shouldn’t there be a vigorous discussion on the story of the day!!?
Our immediate past PM and Finance minister declaring their intention to whiten their black money!!
IMO this is a bigger story than SH’s arrest.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:34 am
Rumi,
Would not drag into argument for argument sake. Read my post again. My comments were not actually a debate. Were they? It was about deducing rationally a conclusion from the picture you have depicted. For example: You said:
“I believe corruption is not definitely something that was created during last 15 years of democracy” I said, No doubt the seed was sown long before.
Go through point by point again and you will see hrdly there is ny argument or disagreement. I just concluded what needs to be done if what you said is fact. I actually I accepted most of your arguments (actually those our my belief as well), that politics became devoid of public interest, lies, betrayal, changing boss….etc etc. You even went to the extent of refering these politicians as prostitute. (I would not, personally). What I further did is saying what needs to be done given what you said.
Like you asked, can country be safe at the hand of this protitutes! You implied no. I mirrored no. Where was the debate!
As for boss, well, definitely many can see that you tried to relate every thing with present crisis. And definitely you didn’t like my argument (here it was an argument, academic though).
Who is devoid of understanding that if one’s former boss is corrupt against whom one has no power to revolt and then comes next boss who might be better than former one, than one would definitely tun to later boss! On the contrary if the later boss is bad, then obviously we will follow former boss. That is it. Your absolute argument presumes that the later boss will always be bad. (I did not relate it to CTG or Military, while refering to your absolute thought). I actually put a mild touch to convert your theoretical absolute judgment into a relative prctical judgment. Absolute verdict never remains abolute. Because nothing is absolute other than Almighty, I guess.
Anyway since you related (actually I get your intention clear in which you definitely intend to downplay CTG/Military) it to present CTG, here is what my stance is: This is not an argument. This is belief, that one has right to choose.
Till now CTG has my support. Until I see that they stoop to a level lower than the politicians, my support continues. Like the way you have right to present your shrewd argument popagating the downside of CTG backed by Military, democracy gives me the right to opine other way. You may not agree with that, that is your freedom of choice. Let me have mine. And believe in me, the day CTG starts going down the path, I will be joining hand with you in raising my voice against CTG. Not yet.
Anyway, thanks for your appreciative tone about the standard of my debate, albeit pointedly :). And no, I never talk against my heart, trust me.
All the best.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:46 am
@Rumi,
There is a correlation between the past and present.
Everytime the generals come to power because of political problems. Yet, The reason they give for coming to power is corruption.
It was no different when Ayub came to power. He jailed policians after coming to power.
Abul monsoor Ahmed, a former minister and the father of daily star editor Mahfuz Anam was also arrested for corruption and was jailed after Ayub came to power. I have got the newspaper article for that too. Most of the politicians were jailed and were banned from politics.
The very reason why in the 1st presidential election Fatema Jinnah contested.
The biggest reform of that era was strengthening local government. 34000 delegates from each part were elected and a electoral college was formed. These 68000 delegates were voters in the presidential election.
CTG is trying to do the similar thing. Corruption I still believe an eye wash.
General Moeen U ahmed is the chairman of trust bank being the chief of armed forces.
His brother Iqbal U ahmed is a managing director of trust bank.
General Moeen took a house loan of over 1 crore taka. As of Dec 31, 2005, he had a outstanding balance of 99,69,215 (99 lakh 60 thousand 215 taka) as part of the house building loan. By dec 31, 2006, the outstanding balance came down to only 33,15,323 taka (33 lakh 15 thousand 323 taka). That means within one year he paid back 66,53,892 taka (66 lakh 53 thousand 892 taka).
how on earth he could earn over 66 lakh taka to pay back part of his loan. His brother Iqbal U Ahmed is the managing director of trust bank.
http://www.csebd.com/cse/download/Prospectus_TRUSTBANK.pdf
Please goto page 20 to verify the information. Paid back 66.53 lakh in one calender year. Unbelievable?
It is all eye wash. If he takes 1 crore taka as house building loan, can u imagine how much initial money he had to have to get that loan.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:48 am
Rumi,
Apology once again. I thought to answer since you related this to following:
“On 16th August, 75: Mostaque/Faruq were the greatest, the messiah, the saviours. During summer of 1982, for Huda-Matin gong, Ershad was a better boss. And similarly lately for Mannan-Amu… Moeen/Masud (???) are the better bosses.”
Here is my take. I never considered Mostaque / Faruq as messiah.Or the saviour. Actually, I was not politically savy enough with reasonable understanding due to my age, even though I am a pre-leberation generation. To me, from my reading, Bongobondhu was definitely not a successful enough administrator, but that do not justify his killing. The conspirators should face justice. If that includes Mostaque, Faruq, then be it.
As for Ershad, sorry man. I never considered him saviour. He was a bad boss. I liked Zia, and thought Ershad simply used his vested power to take over which was wrong.
As for CTG/Military, to me yet it is not the time to pass final verdict (whether they are good boss or bad one). Obviously, I can see, you have final verict, but I will take time before to see how things unravel.
However, I hope we both will be on same plane to accept that Like Mirzafar, the present day Political leaders (SH/KZ) did another betrayal by offering hands of friendship and political life line to Ershad, your despised second boss, mine too. If you think bad of the person, Ershad - the new boss, I hope you will not think very high of the people in plain cloths who made pact with this man for political gain.
Before me some other bloggers pointed this out.
Thanks
August 2nd, 2007 at 10:36 am
While this thread is completely all over the place, I still would like to ask this very pertinent question that Sharmin asked to Rumi bhai in #17.
What about the “leaders” who constantly reward these mirjafars and ignore the sacrificing hard workers? How would we label them? Aren’t they the worst of all?
Do we seriously think Hasina would have cried hoarse for democracy like she is doing now had the same been done to everyone else but her and AL? Didn’t she say just a few months ago, when the going was good and TR was in jail for extortion, that her future govt would approve everything that this govt was doing? It all changed now because the lack of due process is affecting her. Again lack of principle is in full display. Whether its the MOU issue, to the rajakarder bichar issue — everytime as long as AL does something that is without principle, it is for “tactical reason”. If others do it, its a vicious, unpardonable crime. I hope in her quiet time she has the time to contemplate that the result of her being in this shape now is a lot of “kormo phol”. By this, I am not questioning her character. I personally don’t think she is corrupt. But its the kormpphol of her imbecile political decisions, immaturity and vicious personal rage and lack of principle which attributed greatly to the demise of democracy in Bangladesh. In order to regain it back, she would be my last choice to be the manosh konna of gonotontro. Unfortunately, CTG’s actions are making her a hero. Leaving out the other two. Because they are even worse.
In rooting for democracy, are we trying to make heroes out of zeroes?
August 2nd, 2007 at 12:53 pm
Re # 38 and # 17,
I do not want to sound justifying misdeeds of our leaders but let us try to see a bigger and accurate picture,
1. Leaders and boses always like obedience. I like my subordinates to be very submissive, you do not like to be challenged in offic emeetings by your juniors, and similarly the leaders loved yes ministers. This phenomenon is so universal that even Muslim Holy book Quran mentions of it, ” Whoever, God Has given enormous power to, Has also made them a bit less intelligent/less tolerant of criticism. ( Don’t remember the exact vrse number).”
2. Both Khaleda/Hasina has shown their preferences for newbie politicians. This came from Hasina’s mistrust of seniors following 15th august and Khaleda’s experience from 80s.
Hasina could never trust Tofael/ Razzak etc completely, hence Jalil/Liton climbed up the ladder.
Similarly Khaleda looked more and more dependent on Tarek’s friends as she thought this group will not be a repeat of Huda_motin_Moudud_Obaid etc. In fact Khaleda Zia had a strong compulsion to award people who she got along with her during the bad times. 91 ministry was full of his street comrades from 82-90. Most in 2001 Ministry was filled with faces who she saw frequently during AL rule of 96-2001.
( Exceptions were made to keep the crook on own side. e,g Moudud, SaKa etc. )
I have a personal witness here. Last year I was giving a ride to Dr Zahid ( the much talked about heath sector Godfather of BD). During this 5 hours ride we discussed many issues. When i asked him why he is so powerful, i.e. why current govt put him in all the controlling positions in health sector. Dr Zahid was not very direct in his response, but he believes that one reason may be the fact he was a constant companion of Khaleda during the days Al came to power in 1996 and was handling BNP very roughly.
KM Obaidur Rahman ( Ex BNP secy general who betrayed in mannan bhuiyan style) despite all his efforts, never gained back the trust, never been a minister again.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:20 pm
I don’t think there is anyway to quantify which type of “nitihin” rajneeti is worse. Yes, deals are made in politics but a party and its chief need to stand for a certain set of ideals. Bangladesh was never short of yes-mens. By saying Khaleda-Hasina liked yes-mens, I don’t think a good differentiation is being done from the generals who also like yes mens.
Regarding your statement about Hasina Khaleda rewarding the sacrificing leaders, the picture you have painted is at most a very partial snapshot on the national level. There are scores of examples on the local level when the nomination went to the rich and the corrupt, the retired amlas and army officers and industrialists. It did not go to the local, dedicated grass roots level leader. Ask advocate Sahara Khatun who after years of work in her locality never got the nomination.
Perhaps you can say that is the way the nomination had to be done at that time. But then neither of the leaders did not do a single thing to change it around. We did not start that way.
If you ask Mannan Bhuian, I am sure you would find that he has his own way of rationalising things. Somewhere along the line, we, the average citizens, need to draw a line and say that enough is enough. The top leaders now need to take some responsibility for their actions. This is not to condone any of the things that are happening bypassing due process by CTG. But this is aimed at stepping back and looking at bigger picture with an idea towards not making heroes out of zeroes.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:25 pm
# 40
Yes, the situation changes in election time. Somehow someone can successfully convince the supreme two leaders and for the sake of all, for the sake of the party and for the sake of winning ’strategic’ decisions are made. I am not supporting it and also not saying this is all wrong.
I would defer to the point that the picture of rewarding is very partial. I feel this is an overwhelming majority picture. Exceptions were made to accomodate strategic MP candidates.
In fact if you look at grassroots Bangladesh, I feel the culture of rewarding those who suffered are the mother of all problems. This empowers a bunch of less educated local level youth with unchecked power and starts all the atrocities a ruling 3rd world party is always blamed with.
Sheikh Hasina specifically rewarded the children of those who lost their lives on 15th august. ALl of them got nomination if they asked for it and all were kept at close proximity with Hasina.
I can make a dozen example about Khaleda where she stood strong to reward who sacrificed. One is Ukil Abdus Sattar, land and power state minister. he was nothing but a local lower court lawer and not at all rich. he was made deputy minister only because he sacrificed his brammanbaria seat for Amini.
And in #40 alos,
“If you ask Mannan Bhuian, I am sure you would find that he has his own way of rationalising things. Somewhere along the line, we, the average citizens, need to draw a line and say that enough is enough. The top leaders now need to take some responsibility for their actions….”
I am a bit worried here. Isn’t this the same tone that was used by the turncoats to justify Ayub, Yahiya, 25th march, 15th august, 3rd November, 24th march?
Please give me one example where turncoats justification of extrajudicial means and undue process ultimately turned out to be better for the country.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:29 pm
I am just saying that just like we are offering rationalizing for all the wrongs and “tactical decisions”, people like Mannan bhuians et all will have their way of rationalizing things no matter how twisted it is.
Regarding, nomination, I don’t know as much details as you do but I remember seeing a stat a couple of years ago that said 60% of the MPs are industrialists etc. One more example, Rabbani, the hero of Kansat, did not get nomination this year in favour of a business man.
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:02 pm
Regarding nominations, I think while process is still definitely flawed, it’s slowly been evolving. If you look at the first three democratic electios India had, a lot of Congress nominations (which was almost a sure thing those days) went to the local zamindars/ rajahs/ maharajahs. I think we saw the same thing in the 1970 election here, when a lot of the nominations went to the landed gentry, but this was more prevalent in Muslim League than Awami League.
Circa 2006, I believe parties face a dilemma. They can nominate local leaders, who probably are very dedicated and efficient at the local level, but would hardly make an impact in the national scene. Or they can nominate Dhaka based successful individuals (lawyers, former armymen or bureaucrats, businessmen), who have the resources to make a good show in the elction. I’d like to point out that people who just try to make it by dint of their wealth more often than not don’t get elected. Those who do usually have some prior claim to electability which they then present to their constituents, whether be it their involvement in student politics, their donations to various causes, or family pedigree.
I think we need to step back from the mindset that dedicated, local leaders “deserve” nominations. In all fairness, there are probably at least ten individuals from either BNP or AL in each constituency who have done enough to get nominations. But it is up to the party leadership to decide who is the most electable.
Lastly, I don’t see why it’s a problem if industrialists get nominations. These people are mostly driven, and they’ve become successful at a relatively young age. Then they turn to politics as the next frontier.
August 2nd, 2007 at 5:17 pm
Asif 42#
“Regarding, nomination, I don’t know as much details as you do but I remember seeing a stat a couple of years ago that said 60% of the MPs are industrialists etc.One more example, Rabbani, the hero of Kansat, did not get nomination this year in favour of a business man.”
Ans: Is it only the common problem of Bangladesh?
Basically I am not going to judge for Moral value and all. My question to you Can we reduce the Expenditure of the election? Can India do it also in the Bihar or UP?
Basically you see It is almost impossible to avoid such things in the third world country like Us. while election comes it seems we are in Festive .
But every thing is depended on the individual candidate . I can give you the example of Sri Mangal constituency.
I am not sure It is in moulovibazar most prob 3 or 4 ( If you have information just make it correct). Professor Shahid (
Chief Whip ) of the opposition faced tough time in front of a Business Man called Hazi Mujeed to get nominations. but still he got and win but result is that Hazi Mujib is getting nomination from BNP. It is also in AL as well. but how can you stop this only by some seminars and table talk. If Shahid lost people might speak for Hazi Mujib. Why Dr Kamal lost election to Harun Mullah in 90s election. Some thing is missing there. But In democracy you have to accept those . To deny or manipulating public verdict is not the solution. Now a days I found our Zillur Rahman of Trtio Matra has a common question ” Are you going to do election only for election or to change the power?” This type of question is simply encouraging wrong side of democracy. I never heard from any of them that make our institution strong.
[edited for relevance ]
August 2nd, 2007 at 5:46 pm
“During our war of independence, a very small portion (AL Badr, Al Shams) of the collaborators were ideologically against a secular independent Bangladesh. … . Without any apparent ideological reason, this vast majority of the collaborators took up arms against their own people,…”
contradicted yourself.
August 2nd, 2007 at 6:38 pm
Kadr Ali,
You omitted some lines in your quotation. Here is what I said,
“During our war of independence, a very small portion (AL Badr, Al Shams) of the collaborators were ideologically against a secular independent Bangladesh. A majority of them were Rajakars. They were mostly community grassroots political activists and some top central leadership who found it more beneficial (Both fiscally, politically) to side with apparent mightier Pakistan Army. Without any apparent ideological reason, this vast majority of the collaborators took up arms against their own people..”
I did not contradict myself. You just wasted my time with a nonsense comment.
August 2nd, 2007 at 6:46 pm
@ Tonmoy
You wanted to know why Dr. Kamal lost to Harul Mollah.
Harun Molla was a local personality in Mirpur. He had a long political history. He was known to the residents of Mirpur Dhaka. He used to visit various areas of mirpur even before he contested for that seat.
For, Dr. Kamal, he could never take him to the national level in an effective way. Only people with education and only those who could read news papers knew him. Even if you are highly educated it is not necessary that everybody have to know him. His political activities were not very impressive either. He was kind of an elite. Eliteness do not ensure popularity. How many people do you think know all the civil society members. They are no celebrities.
@ Mr. Rumi,
It is good that you brought up the case of Ukil Abdus Sattar. He sacrificed his seat for paties greater cause and was rewarded.
At the same time, look at other personalities who actually blackmailed Khaleda Zia.
Bodruddoza Choudhyu: In 1991, he was given the Education Portfolio. But, he wanted foreign ministry. Khaleda asked him to be patient. He even did not go to the education ministry for several weeks. Khaleda then promised that he would be given foreign ministry next time.
In 2001, Khaleda kept her promise and gave him the foreign ministry. But this time he wanted presidency. Now what would all of us have done to Bodruddoza if we were Khaleda Zia ourselves.
Sadek Hossain Khoka: He becam an Mp and was made a minister. Then came the time for mayor election. Noe, he wanted to contest for the Mayor election although he was an MP and a minister. He got elected and became a mayor. Khaleda asked him to leave the ministry but he refused and said he would leave politics.and remained as MP, Minister and Mayor.
When I see these kind of people actually blaming Khaleda, I really feel sad for her.