Mon 23 Jul 2007
… shouting for silence in a library. Well, that does not quite have the ring of the original slogan popularised during the Vietnam war protests in the U.S., but we have to keep UV family-friendly! It does vaguely capture the sentiment of the original: namely that you cannot hope to achieve a goal through means that are fundamentally contrary with that goal itself. This is exactly what a lot of us are protesting in Bangladesh.
Last week’s arrest of Sheikh Hasina has led to a familiar debate between those who want due process and the rule of law to reign supreme and those who feel that exceptions to these must be made for her and other politicians currently behind bars, especially since they themselves may not have respected the rule of law and the right of others to due process when they were in power. I count myself among the former, and my reasons are those that I put forward above: namely, you cannot hope to establish a “corruption-free Bangladesh” (ostensibly the loudest, if not the most important, goal of this current CTG) by means that breed further corruption - such as lack of due process, unequal application of the law, and subversions of the law itself.
My stance is not mere idealism: I’m not so besotted by the concepts or catchy phrases of “due process” and “rule of law” that I’ve forgotten that our legal system is far from ideal. My stance is based on pragmatic considerations. If we take the argument of those who say that these leaders must be tried under “exceptional circumstances” because of their previous neglect of the law, where does that leave the people who are trying them? Who is to stop future regimes, maybe another 15 years down the line, to come by and say, “You did not follow due process, tried others under “exceptional circumstances” and so you yourself must be tried thus.” And so on and so forth. A bad dynamic is thus perpetuated and someone needs to break free of it if our legal system is to recover.
The “exceptional circumstances” argument usually has two strands. The flouting of their rights and the law is justified because they are (a) leaders and (b) previously flouted the law themselves. (a) is destructive to the foundations of a legal system because it implies that all people are not equal under the law (please note that this is about conviction, not punishment). People who applaud Sheikh Hasina’s arrest as an instance of the law being equal for all should recall that that also means that the law cannot be harsher on her than on others. (b) simply puts us back in the jungle, where revenge reign supreme. And revenge is not justice.
A disclaimer: analogies between international politics and domestic politics usually fall apart if stretched too far. So please refrain from comments with examples of “just wars”, such as WWII, or something similar, and focus on the meat of the arguments presented here. Wars themselves belong to the anarchic international sphere and not to the domestic sphere where laws and institutions should ideally reign supreme. If they don’t, we call it “corruption”.
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:30 am
Hi Everbody,
Only reforming political parties won’t work so good as CTG is hoping for a corruption- free country, straightened state-craft and running democracy in paved path.
We need more, we need reform of laws and ammendment of constitution. Constitution shouldn’t allow class system in the society. Why the corrupt, criminal politicians, ministers or people with constitutional posts or CRPs so on will get VIP jails or division in jail. It’s a stigma of the laws.
To me, it would have been more fair if the more the celebrity or VIP badges the criminals have, the VIP or harsher punishment they will be delivered to.
Common people trust them; toil and sweat for them; so when those trustees become traitor they should condemned, hated and given the examplary punishment.
Our attitude should be changed, attire of civility should be changed, political system and it’s guidance book, the constitution should be changed keeping the rights of common people in the back of minds of change-agents. Then justice can be established and prevail.
The perks and privlidges of the MPs, Ministers and so on should be curtailed. They don’t need to have national flag at their houses and cars and no need to have red passport. Then the people who hankers power, position, status etc will be detered in the engagement withe dirty politics and that would encourage pro-people service-oriented people in poltics.
Thanks.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:20 am
Good post AsifY, the CTG should follow due process in all their activity, otherwise as you have rightly pointed out that it can come back to bite them personally. It would be most unwise of them not to follow due process. If everyone is same in the eye of the law, then it should not matter if someone like Sheikh Hasina followed due process earlier or not - that would be just another charge against her that she could be tried for. Similarly if the CTG members are violating due process, as is stipulated in the constitution, then they leave themselves vulnerable to be tried in the future, for breaking the law.
bitterboy, as you are probably aware, communism has failed, and even among communists there are the Nomenklatura, the Apparatchik and the common workers. We cannot have an overnight revolution, the best is to go for evolutionary changes towards reducing the gap of rich and poor with sound pro-business economic policies and a stable political system that can maintain high economic growth year after year. But I agree in principle with you that this secular westernized elite local Raj system that inherited the crown from British Raj, ruling over the rest of the “natives”, has to go.
July 23rd, 2007 at 11:54 am
Good discussion. But I think we are missing a point here. MBG, perhaps, is trying to do a quick fix. This short-term solution will bring more chaos, install a bad precedence and not going to bring intended reform. Also, a grassroot awarness must be developed form general people. This is a “catch-22″ situation. Economic prosperity is essential to make all those policies work.
July 23rd, 2007 at 6:21 pm
As an ordinary Citizen three question keeps bugging me and I thought I should share this here for debate leading to enhancement of my knowledge.
Both Hasina and Zia during their rule had certainly achieved some developments of the country - but they both have failed to perform the main role—their promises to the Citizen-that of an enriched and secured life.By this time all Citizen have very well clearly understood that their Elected Representatives were inefficient in delivering the basic necessities of life,human security and justice- thus symbolizing a deep rooted economic and political weakness.SO NOW THE FIRST QUESTION:
Doesnt this automatically disqualify them to contest the elections???
The Political parties- even the AL the oldest political party have not practised democratic methods in organizing their party -as a result secondary or tertiary level capable leaders were not groomed so that they can take responsibilities,party policies and administer with equity and justice. All power was vested in one person the Leader and though they had senior members on top executive ranks their role was maily psycophancy- none dared to differ with the Leader. SO NOW THE SECOND QUESTION: If the present minus two theory is implemented wherefrom will qualified candidates be available??????
Leaders of the main political parties have not taken initiative for the independence of the Judiciary and or have not initated formulation of procedures for following “Due process” or “Rule of Law” as also stated by Asif Y in his opening statement of this topic- however it is believed that MPs n Ministers,during their rule, couldnt be charged without permission from the PM and the question of charging PMs didnt arise(the Politicans had never dreamt of arrests on corruption charges). SO THIRD QUESTION:Whose fault is it that now they(POLITICIANS/LEADERS) are arrested randomly and or kept under house arrests or due security reasons they are kept in special subjails under strict rules of the jail code???
In Pakistan which incidently is the Land of Military Rulers the Court has shown its bravery by reinstating its Chief Justice and that is against the interest of the President.
It is my hope that the Courts in our Country too will throughly scrutinize all relevant documents while assessing individual corrupt cases and deliver honest judgement.
July 24th, 2007 at 2:22 am
Phantom,
you questioned,”if the minus-two theroy is implemented wherefrom qualified candidates will be available?”
what do you intend to mean by that.
Do you think they are the only qualified persons to lead the country? I think contrarily, they hav all the disqualifications to be leaders like arrogance, limitless greed for power and money, corruption, nepotism, despotism, except one qualification the heirdom of top two lated leaders of our country sheik Mujib and Gen. Zia.
I strongly believe this minus two formula won’t work at all. We are huzogi Jati. We love to worship dynasty, we are so emotion-laden people we will repeat the same mistake if radical strong politcial reform steps aren’t taken.
To achieve effective reform the CTG must think minus-four formula, not jsut minus-two formula, banning 4 parties Awami League, BNP, Jatio Party and Jamat, disqualifying 4 leaders Hasina, Khalida, Ershad and Nizami for politics for good and probibitin of Boat, Paddysheaf, Langol[Plough] and Scale as the election symbols. Along with that, of course, must keep the corrupt crooked chatters out of politics. It is doable and workable; and for that just the backers have to shy off their Hejabi role and come to the front stage with strong commitment. People will support till they do the right thing without indulging in corrupt activities with intent of staying glued to the power.
If that can be done people can rid of the destructive political monsters from our heads, otherwise not.
Thanks.
July 24th, 2007 at 12:15 pm
bitterboy,
Thanks for yr input. By qualification, I dont mean educational which more or less all party workers have- I mean in terms of taking responsibilty and accountability in formulating policies and implementing it for the benefit of the Citizens- the lac of which results in poor Electric Supply,Price enhancement,poor medical facilities–et all- specially considering rural areas. Why I am wondering???- if you see all TV shows and or read Newspaper articles you will see that all discussion on reforms is abt who will lead ( minus two or minus four leaders) but none say that XXX will be good becasue he/she has plans/programmes that will benefit all Citizen - again if you see that they dont have unity on any point-all are thinking how to replace the present Main Leaders. We must not forget that as yet there is no confirmed Law/Policy in respect of age(India’s New President Patil is aged 72) and that the only way to bar them is if they are proved guilty OR if the party members vote them out.
You are right when you say that “someone with strong committment is required and that people will support till they do the right thing without indulging in corrupt activities with intent of staying glued to the power.”- infact the present CA and his team, backed by the army,is being supported on that grounds. But its imperative that they must conduct the election and hand over to elected Representatives- but then we still remain at square one problem– what guruantee do we have that these Representatives will be impartial and effcient and will maitain a high standard of Governance???????
Let us take the example of India’s Congress party which at one stage reached ZERO popularity- it took SONIA Gandhi a long time to study all the defects of the Party including that of her own as a foreign national- and gradually she improved the image of the party and defeated the powerful BJP that was in power n confident of winning-Can such a thing happen here in Bangladesh????– I am thinking in terms of system– I am pro-nobody but only pro-system trying to think of a system for our Country.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:17 am
Who is to stop future regimes, maybe another 15 years down the line, to come by and say, “You did not follow due process, tried others under ‘exceptional circumstances’ and so you yourself must be tried thus.” And so on and so forth. A bad dynamic is thus perpetuated
A worse dynamic is one we’re already living.
I wonder why no one has asked why 15 years ago there were no system of “balances and checks” put into place that would audit corruption. And since they were not put in place, who’s responsibility was that in the first place? And if there are no systems in place, under who’s watch did the slow drip of billions of dollars of donor money disappear to?
This is Administrative Corruption at its most flagrant. And in 15 years, there have only been two Administrators.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:51 am
Sid,
Good question.The answer lies in what we are able to achieve in the present in context of a good administrative system (Governing procedures,laws etc)–hopefully the change that we are all looking forward too will emphasize on that. If we are able to have a good present system the furure will hopefully be good- we hope therefore we live.We have to stop bringing in past debacles and change our attitude- that WE all are Bangladeshis are part of the system and that we all must have our choice of representatives whom we can ask for accountability when he fails to produce the goods for us- that includes even the rural poor-they maybe illterate but they do understand that villages are deprived of good medical,educational facilities-and under past regimes it was not possible for them to speak up- let us produce a good present system wherein they can speak and demad this facilites- thats the CHANGE we are looking forward too.
So first thing is we need to change ourselves too and free ourselves of the fact that Leaders cannot make a mistaaake or Leaders cannot be questioned or challenged- but yes any charges brought against leaders or any members of political party is open to through debate and judgement be given through Court.Similiarly Colleagues of the Political Members and Citizens lokes a certain party or leader shouldnt encourage disturbances or make iresponsible remrks in support of the Charged member- ofcourse they have right to ask for proper process of Law and remain within that limit. This way the confidence of the public is earned by the politicans who still hopes to continue.
If by this 2008 Elections a Change in mentality and system is not done and good candidates with intention to do good for the country and the Citizens are not elected to parliament we will continue to be in this sort of quagmire.
There are already positive steps towrds this direction bu the Citizens and lets hope for the best.But as I said only SHUSHIL SHOMAJ,CPD, SUJAN and few more oragnisations discussion will not help– we all individually must play our due role and imperative that people at grass root level made aware of this thought.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:08 am
A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND a FEW ANSWERS:
Sheik Hasina and her sycophants often times question Why Banghubandhu’s Kids would engage in stealing money and corruption especially she[Hasina] said it sevral times about her brother Late Sheik Kamal’s incidennce of being wounded while doing Indo-Suez Bank robbery. Now Hasina repeats this same query while defends her own corruption. And with the same tone Sheik Rehana very recently asked why they should, being the daughter of Banghabandhu, engage in extortion/stealing money or corruption.
[admin: Rest of the inflammatory message edited. Also it has little relevence to the original query. Bitterbooy, please take note, let's use this forum for constructive debates rather than name calling and instigating each other ]
July 27th, 2007 at 1:46 pm
I think the quality of debate on this blog would vastly improve if admin would screen accusations/allegations without proof or if bloggers like bitterboy provided more details, ie, the land deed to the posh house in london. Admin, I appreciate it’s a time-consuming task but this kind of mud-slinging really takes away from some of very interesting and constructive discussions that we read here.
[admin: point noted and previous messages edited ]
July 27th, 2007 at 7:04 pm
So, I ask once again; can you establish the rule of law by flouting it? If you answer yes, please explain. If no, then please explain the CTG’s actions. Crying out “emergency” and “lack of fundamental rights” is essentially saying “no rule of law”.
Bitterboy, your polemics against Mrs. Rehana aside, I believe the burden of proof is on you that her home in London was bought by extorting money from Azam Chowhury with Sheikh Selim’s help. Because that is what she was charged with. I am ABSOLUTELY IN FAVOUR of the government investigating her source of income and think her appeals to being Bongobondhu’s daughter are worthless in the eyes of the law.
However, I also think that accusing her in this particular extortion case is also worthless in the eyes of the law. The government may as well have put your/mine/Mokhles of Gaibandha’s name on it as well.
Please, PLEASE don’t come back with “they must know something that we don’t” explanation. It is a feature of a working legal system that people get to SEE what evidence there is against them and that governments simply don’t say “Oh we know something about you that we can’t reveal”. If recently, the Bush administration has decided to throw that one out in its anti-terror legislation, that doesn’t mean we have to as well.