Mon 16 Jul 2007
While we mindlessly debate pros and cons of the Hasina’s arrests, not a single person cared to discuss the merit of the case. You can hate Hasina or Khaleda as much as you want and you may think public hanging is the only possible punishment for these two leaders, but you, at the same time can not forget that we are not living in a jungle where we can do to people whatever we want. So let’s step back and take a look at the facts. But before AL supporters start cheering on the tone of my post, think for one second whether you asked for due process when Tareque Rahman was arrested in a similar extortion case. If you did not, then you have also lost your moral right to ask for due process in Hasina’s case. Its not about supporting one person over another or being AL or BNP or army sympathizer. Its purely about what kind of precedence this government is setting in the name of checking corruption. Now those who talk about people not caring about this case and caring more about inflation amazes me that they think these issues are not related. Why we shouldn’t be caring about this issue which is setting the trend for the coming days? Yesterday it was Tareque, today it is Hasina, tomorrow it will be you.
Now let’s look at the case for which Sheikh Hasina was denied bail. The CTG is not accusing Hasina or Joy to have made 300 million or for creating a shopping mall in Florida as suggested by some commenters. Court of law can not run on rumours and hearsays. But the accuser is accusing Shaikh Selim of extorting money from him for a business deal and because Mr. Selim threatened to use Hasina and her power if he didn’t get his way, it implied that Hasina was a party to this scam as well.
One Mr. Ajam J. Chowdhury filed an extortion case in June 13th this year. The exact case report in verbatim is here:
In the June 12 first information report (FIR), Azam mentioned that Shiekh Hasina’s cousin the then lawmaker Sheikh Selim tried to be local agent of the Russian company TPE. Selim on different occasions tried to influence the TPE chief to serve his purpose, he added.
As all his attempts turned futile, Selim started putting pressure, and Azam met Selim at his Banani residence with the proposal of appointing him consultant for the second phase of the work and told him that he would be given a large amount of commission during the phase, the FIR said.
Angry at the proposal, Selim threatened to stop the work with the help of Hasina (the then PM) if the commission was not paid. Negotiations on payment of the money continued at Selim’s residence.
Selim also threatened that the complainant would not be able to withdraw any bill from the PDB if he failed to pay him commission from the work. Threats were issued between June and July, 2000, the complainant said.
In July, 2000, they reached a verbal agreement for payment of two per cent commission amounting $5.8 lakh (equivalent to a little over Tk 2.99 crore) to Selim, Azam said. The commission was paid at Selim’s residence in eight cheques of Standard Chartered Bank and Southeast Bank from October 24, 2000 to February 14, 2001, he added.
Selim did not interfere with the work after getting the commission, the complainant said, adding that many people including executives of his company are aware of the payment of commission to Selim.
This was the FIR report as quoted in Daily Star. Run your searches to see how many times Hasina’s name was mentioned in it. There seems to be just one mention where it says Selim threatened to stop the work with the help of Hasina (the then PM) if the commission was not paid.
Now it seems the entire dealing was done by Shaikh Selim where he used Hasina’s name to threaten the accuser. Was Hasina involved directly in it? The accusation seems to be purely circumstantial. Now we already have Shaikh Selim’s edited interrogation tape. He may well be saying that he shared the booty with Hasina and the entire case and the he-said vs she said can be played in the court of law but what boggles my mind is that how can this be a non-bailable case? Am I to believe that I can file a case against an adviser in the current government of extortion and mention the chief adviser’s name on the side and Mr. Fakhruddin will be taken to jail indefinitely at a non-bailable offense? Of course not. Then it is simply clear that the lower judiciary is following the “telephone justice” that Pakistanis are so used to. Please don’t think I am saying for one second that Hasina is innocent or she should not be tried. She should be by all means if a case has been filed against her. But let her and all our citizens have their day in court. The CTG which is preaching moral superiority over all must set the standard.
I have been heavily critical of Daily Star and our media’s activist stand of giving a blank check to the current government in the past. Albeit delayed, Mr. Anam has risen to the occassion and wrote a very balanced commentary today playing a role he should have played all along as the leading editor of the country. When DS and CPD, writes against the government, you can tell the honeymoon period of CTG is over.
July 16th, 2007 at 7:31 pm
Dear Asif S.,
I want to appreciate your following point:
“But before AL supporters start cheering on the tone of my post, think for one second whether you asked for due process when Tareque Rahman was arrested in a similar extortion case. If you did not, then you have also lost your moral right to ask for due process in Hasina’s case.”
A question please: Did Hasina ask for Tareq Zia’s arrest, either directly or indirectly? Did she ever implied about arresting TZ after this caretaker government took over!
Did she ask for due process once Tareq Zia was arrested! Did she ask for due process once the nig names of BNP were being caught!
Good observation and good sense of reminding every one that we should ask for due process for all not based on the party we may support.
Thanks
July 16th, 2007 at 7:40 pm
Thank you Asif bhai! Seriously: thank you.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:17 pm
Asif vai,
great post!
I wish the CTG do not forget that it will soon lose people’s support by doing things they are not supposed to do. M & M may not have the guts to speak agains the army, but I wonder why Dr. Fakhruddin is not stoping the army and do only what is needed.
Hope the army get its sense back and release Hasina ASAP!
July 16th, 2007 at 8:21 pm
it seems to me that alot of people are working on the premise that due process has not been accorded in this case, that the court is corrupt, and that the charges are bogus. some even mention the term kangaroo court with respect to the presiding court on Hasina’s case.
So far, there is at least circumstantial evidence that Hasina was involved in extortion (for the lawyers out there, one need not be personally involved in the extortion to be culpable .. . . think accessory, conspiracy, misprision etc.) On the other hand, there has NOT been one shred of evidence that Hasina’s due process rights have been violated.
I say let the case be heard in the court, let all of the evidence be laid out, let the lawyers make their best arguments (and stop crying), and let the court decide if the evidence warrants a conviction.
The response that we have seen so far has been incredibly immature . . . protests, sticks, crying in the courts etc. When the verdict comes, appeal if necessary, but please stop these theatrics, and let justice takes its course.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:29 pm
Karma,
What about getting bail in this case which I highlighted? Is the circumstantial evidence against her in this extortion case can be termed as a non-bailable offence by her? You seem to have conveniently ignored the main point of the post which is the bailability in this case.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:30 pm
Re: # 4:
I believe the main point in Asif’s post is that the evidence presented so far against SH should
not be non-bailable offence. By denying bail, the lower court is apparently following government’s dictates, and this is evidence of lack of due process.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:51 pm
bailable or not, I am happy that she is behind bars, and expecting her friend to visit there soon.
July 16th, 2007 at 8:57 pm
Xerces,
Your next door neighbor may very well be happy to see you in jail and if he has his way, perhaps you may be paying her a visit soon as well. There is a reason why there is rule of law in a civilized society. Too bad we don’t appreciate that until it haunts us personally.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:13 pm
Good points raised.. I was under the impression that somehow the emergency act has something to do with it.
If I am to take the action purely politicaly, then I thought CTG has created a farce. specially after hasina’s recent remarks, which I think she made very intentionaly, sensing her arrest is imminent. When politicians get into trouble they always want to creat and environment which will fit their end wish. And i think hasina has recently just done that. in this rat race so far it looks like hasina is winning. However CTG still has few cards to play with and hopefully they can turn it around.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:19 pm
“Why we shouldn’t be caring about this issue which is setting the trend for the coming days?”
I don’t think it sets any trend at all. The woman is getting her just deserts. Same for Tarek whose deserts are, if anything, even more just! When I have robbed and raped the country senseless, I will worry about my skin. The fact remains that most people still lead innocent lives, are still just trying to get by. Walking around in the neighbourhoods of Dhaka, you don’t get any feeling of suppressed tension, chapa panic or insecurity, or state-induced paranoia. “Jodi dhoira niya jae” or something like that - you just don’t see it or feel it, it’s as simple as that. Sure you get stopped by RAB at checkpoints but that was happening even before, so it’s not really a CTG innovation. Broadly speaking, life outside the bubble is as safe (or as unsafe) as it was in previous regimes - nothing dramatically different. It’s the bubble-people and their chelas elsewhere whose lives have gone through the biggest ructions. (Apparently, the clubs of Gulshan are less full than they used to be. I wonder why.) Trying to equate Hasina’s arrest with “the sky is falling on our heads” is a bit of a stretch.
As for why common people care more about inflation, it’s because being able to buy food to eat for oneself and one’s family is THE most fundamental human right of all. When inflation is as high in a country like this, the worst impact falls on poor people, they are the ones who are hurt disproportionately. The ND report says that food prices have gone up more than non-food prices. Price increases in the villages have been worse than in the city. “Jinish-potrer daam ja barsey” is the commonest cry of all. From a purely humanitarian perspective, the fight against inflation is as critical a plank of welfare as anything else out there, and deserves far more attention from our commentators. But politics is a lot more fun. Meanwhile, the percentage of people below the poverty line is increasing again. And if the report in Naya Digonto is accurate, then the dropout rate for primary schoolgoers in Bangladesh has gone from 33% to 48% in the last 2 years. When do parents take their kids out of school? Why do poor kids drop out? Because they are forced to look for work and supplement incomes. So, food and education - THEIR human rights. Is it really such a surprise that people care more about these rights than what is happening to the washed-up old lady in the white sari and look-at-me-pander-to-the-Islamic-vote tasbih?
July 16th, 2007 at 9:22 pm
I hope the discussion stays focused on the case. We don’t know what the investigating officers know about the case and what evidence they presented in court. There is more to the case than the FIR report… the law advisor was saying that they were able to trace those checks.
Let’s wait and see… if Hasina is sent to jail unjustly, I am pretty sure nobody will accept it.
Mahfuz Anam did not focus about the case in his commentary… the most important thing as Asif bhai pointed out and I agree with Asif bhai.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:33 pm
What the arrest of former PM means
To many observers in Dhaka, it was only a matter of time before she was arrested. Her supporters believe there is more politics than law behind her arrest.
Please read the full & interesting story of BBC.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6900911.stm
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My personal thinking is that Govt can make any case overnight including Asif vai of Dristipat
July 16th, 2007 at 9:37 pm
Oh good one zm.
“The clubs of Gulshan are less full” - really shows who the “bubble boy/girl” really is. Any idea about the statistics of detainees around the country since January? How many of those went to Gulshan club before their arrest?
July 16th, 2007 at 9:44 pm
There’s still a few left, AsifY. Hopefully they’re working on it.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:46 pm
thanks in advance for posting this.
It is easy for non-lawyers (non-judges) to armchair quarterback whether Hasina should have been released on bail or not. Without all of the facts, such quarterbacking is silly.
But since you have asked me to discuss this issue, I will give you my silly opinion. However, I will first concede that I am not an expert in Bangladesh law, so I can not speak authoritatively on that subject. If you are an expert, I will defer to your expert opinion.
Now, assuming that Bang law is similar to the English system, the judge may find that Hasina is not eligible for bail because she is either a flight risk, or that she will be a danger to the community if released. In light of the charges that she initiated rioting in the past (and that some people died as a result) it is logical to assume that the court determined that Hasina would once again initiate street riots if released. We all know that she is poisoned with vengeance, and in my opinion I would not put this past her. In fact, if i were the judge, i would have denied bail on this reason.
Regarding the risk of flight . .. she has already made it very clear that she wants to visit her daughter in the USA, and she and her supporters have said that this court case is a “conspiracy” and that people similarly situated are being “tortured” by the CTG, and that this arrest is “politically motivated”. As such, it is very likely that if she were allowed to enter the United States, she would apply for asylum, and not return to Bangladesh to let the “corrupt” courts hear the “politically motivated” case. An irony in this case is, that if she does that, she will be possibly be tried and convicted in absentia. A fate that Mohuiddin AKM Ahmed met with the applause of Hasina and the AL (and many on this blog and others).
Unless you are willing to concede that the judicial system in Bang does not functioning honestly (and you have not presented concrete evidence in this case that the system is broken) you should just accept that the Judge made the right decision.
When Hasina’s lawyers are finsighed mopping up their tears, they need to appeal the denial of bail, and let the appellate courts sort this out.
p.s. how can Joy afford to live here in the USA, have a kid, quit his job, and then enroll at Harvard graduate school? is there any doubt that this family has siphoned off enough money from the Bangladesh people to live very nicely? Is everyone so stupid or blind that they can’t see this?
July 16th, 2007 at 9:48 pm
Re: # 10.
I think we can care about inflation and we can care for rights of the accused at the same time. They need not be mutually exclusive concerns.
Agreed that people on the streets are less concerned about rights of the accused as most do not feel it’s their concern. The point here is that we should care—-for our own sake and for building a just and stable society, where redress to each injustice is not mired in arguments about other injustices.
July 16th, 2007 at 9:58 pm
let me just add, that the Judge may have also considered that, if the allegations are true (that she extorted a ton of cash from businesses and that she used the public funds as her personal bank) that she would have more than enough money to flee the country and avoid justice. If I were the judge, I would have found that Hasina was a serious risk for flight, and therefore not eligible for bail.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:01 pm
From Editor of Daily Star
The chief election commissioner’s roadmap of Sunday had cleared the air considerably about the coming elections. But yesterday’s arrest of Sheikh Hasina brought in some dark clouds over the election horizon. Suspicion has been sown that though the process and mechanics of the coming election may be free and fair, through “command politics” those participating in it may be pre-selected and thereby predetermining the outcome. Simply put “command politics” will yield “command victors” and thus instead of elected government we’ll have a puppet government.
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Similar comment by US admin .Next election may be not acceptable by all . Same day comment by two .
Next election is selection ?
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Guardian UK says Bangladesh may be next Pakistan.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,2127664,00.html
July 16th, 2007 at 10:03 pm
Here what I don’t understand:
EVERYONE knows Hasina and Khaleda stole and raped the country like mad and did so openly, in day light. So shouldn’t the CTG have a LOT more compelling evidence to throw these 2 women in jail? Why is the CTG using only thread-bare cases like this where Hasina is only mentioned once circumstantially?
July 16th, 2007 at 10:15 pm
#19:
There is a problem with “EVERYONE knows..” type of evidence. For those of us old enough, we remember similar “EVERYONE knows..” type of arguments against Gazi Golam Mustafa, who was in charge of the Redcross during Sk. Mujib’s tenure in office, only to find out in a trial during the post-Mujib era that the charges against him were quite petty.
In our culture, there is penchant for exaggeration and insinuation. We are quick to believe the worst about people we do not like or agree with. I am not saying that charges against SH are not true. But, charges have to be provable in a court of law. The fact that all the CTG can come up, at least for now, is relatively minor charges inspite of the supposed mountain of evidence is an indication that the hearsay may after all be wild-exaggeration (I say may, because I don’t know for sure).
July 16th, 2007 at 10:28 pm
Instant Karma, I think your bias shows well in the comment you left on my blog:
http://www.docstrangelove.com/2007/07/16/breaking-news-former-bangladeshi-prime-minister-arrested-by-military/#comment-86640
The military government’s earlier attempts to ban Hasina from Bangladesh really puts a hole in their credibility, dont you think? Rule of law depends a lot on the state’s credibility in bringing charges against the accused. With due process and fundamental freedoms suspended, any and all trials held under this government will have a legitimacy problem. That means the corrupt as well as the falsely accused will share the same boat and the difference between guilt and innocence will be de facto wiped out - that, my friends, is corruption. And this government, as I’ve noted before, is corrupting the system while engaged in an “anti-corruption” drive.
I love the blood lust this arrest has generated from certain quarters. Perhaps the military gets its way and this step ensures their stay in power for the long term. Or perhaps, this step is a turning point in weakening this regime’s grip on power. Either way, the die has been cast. Its a shame that the people of Bangladesh seem to never be able to escape the clutches of the military.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:28 pm
Asif S:
One question - A silly one indeed, if it may appear to some one. Don’t you think that we (not specifically you but some of us) also have two standards for judging the standard of justice served by the judges!
Ok - let me explain why am I asking this. In another thread, I argued that Secy Mohiuddin should have been dealt with seriously for his role in Janatar Mancha in 1996. Came back the reply, not from you again,: Judge exonerated him and as such the matter is closed. No question, I guess, on a closed matter.
(I will not start discussion on Mohiuddin here, but just to draw your attention on our (some of us) double standards)
Now again here, regarding the bail, the judge decided that she should not be offered bail. Do the judge have that prerogative to decide based on what he thinks! Yes - yes - yes. So what we say when the bail is refused and judge exercises the prerogative! We say, she should have been given bail, and note - none of us are lawyer here, and we claim justice is not right. It is dictated.
The dilemma I face is this: what to conclude when one sees if the justice served favors certain quarter, which in this case is the interest of AL - I have no hesitation to admit, it is upheld with respect. If the judgment goes against AL interest, we question the judge or the justice and start speculating if it is dictated! I guess it will be same for BNP as well, just to clarify that I am not nitpicking AL.
Do we really know what all aspects the judge considered! If we know every thing why not be judge ourselves and help this country have a good judiciary!
I would not for one believe that, you being whatever I heard of you, sincerely believes that SH / KZ should not be made accountable for their misdeed. The way they led the country and brought us the trophy of corruption, does that qualify them to lead the country any more! What would Goldman Sach do if it comes last for 5 consecutive times! CEO will be replaced long before that happens. Apology, for relating to the place of your work which is quite highly publicized in DP, thus I know.
I don’t for one believe that you sincerely think that all the speculation and revelation about their involvement in corruption are cooked up story.
I for one believe you love your country and that with your achievement you will stand by the right and not the wrong.
I for one believe that you will rise above emotion and follow logic.
I for one believe that the situation is extraordinary because SH / KZ are extraordinary, hence they deserve extra-ordinary treatment. They can not be compared with a, b, and c. I think the first mistake of CTG, not allowing her to come back, is working against CTG. And for SH. She got the voice: if I were corrupt why would they stop me from coming over! But just because there was a mistake, SH / KZ should not get better of that. They should be made to answer for creating 1/11 through their arrogance, intransigent attitude, hated for each other, and lack of care for the country to say the least.
They should be made to answer for robbing us an elected government for their selfish reason.
Let Hasina come out free if she is found innocent. I wish her luck, if she is really innocent.
Thanks
July 16th, 2007 at 10:33 pm
Asif S. , As you point out heresay is not proof of guilt but then you conveniently go on to accuse the CTG of influencing the outcome of Sheikh Hasina’s detention - which is heresay.
It is upto the judge to decide whether to allow bail to a defendent or not, in Sheikh Hasina’s case bail was denied. The countless lawyers acting on her behalf can easily go to the Hight Court and appeal, which I am sure they will do.
Tarique Zia and many other detained politicians have gone to the high court. The High Court did rule in favour of bail for some defendents but the Supreme Court stayed the High Court rulings.
If this is not due process, I don’t know what is! unless you are trying to imply that the CTG is now running all branches of judiciary as well including the Supreme Court.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:07 pm
We can’t have it both ways. Let’s not be delusional. It’s either change or the old ways. Accountability / Punishment for crimes misdeed or go freely. There is no such thing as the middle ground saying leve the poor women alone.
Let the emotional sentiments go for a moment, as hard as it may be for Bangladeshis and see it for what it is.
If one says that the two ladies did not benefit from the misrule for the last 15 years well ……….I’ll just leave it at that. If she is innocent she can fight it out in court, just like every citizen out there.
I do believe the so called reformist should be investigated as well and maybe they will be in due time.
You and I are not privy to those info.
It’s pathetic to see a respected newspaper going against the due process. What sort of precedent one sets by saying that because someone is a VIP she should not be arrested.
Give change a chance.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:18 pm
I don’t know how many of you know Azam Jahangir Chowdhury, one of the most corrupt businessmen that ever were for three decades and regime changes. How come he is out in the open free and Hasina in jail ? Says a lot about present CTG’s selective anti-corruption drive.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:27 pm
boishakhi, you said,
“unless you are trying to imply that the CTG is now running all branches of judiciary as well including the Supreme Court.”
I will say this is more or less the case. In essence, our courts are full of incompetent, biased and kowtowing judges. They are way much gullible to fulfill the wishes of their masters (whoever is at the helm). Sometimes, the masters no need to goad them; they are very much adept at taking cues from their masters. They served their previous masters (Khaleda/Hasina, etc) very well and they will do so for the current masters.
I am pretty sure that both Hasina and Khaleda will be convicted (not only deny bail) through the ‘due process’ of court in order to bar them from participating in the next election -this is the plan of their current master and they will serve the master quite well. Will their masters succeed? That’s a totally different question.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:44 pm
Anti-corruption drive turning into
unidirectional operation
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NEW AGE EDITORIAL .Dhaka .July 17 2007
The assertions of certain advisers to the military-driven interim government over the past few days and weeks had given rise to the apprehension that the incumbents were still intent on arbitrarily forcing the two top political leaders of the country, namely Khaleda Zia of the Bangladesh Nationalist Party and Sheikh Hasina of the Awami League, out of politics. The arrest of Hasina on charge of extortion early Monday after an elaborate security operation overnight has proved that the apprehension was neither far-fetched nor misplaced.
In fact, it may not be too far-fetched to conclude that the government’s much-vaunted and much-publicised war on what the chief adviser to the interim government, in his maiden address to the nation on January 21, termed the three Ms — money, muscle and misuse of power — has degenerated into a unidirectional operation to relegate Khaleda and Hasina into political irrelevance. The masterminds and the agents of the drive have so far displayed an uncanny tendency to leave alone politicians who have apparently aligned with the government and been pushing curiously identical proposals for reforms in the two major political parties, which, needless to say, aim at eliminating Khaleda and Hasina from the decision- and policy-making process, and go after those who have not.
We are not, however, suggesting even for a fleeting second that the politicians detained, implicated and, in some cases, convicted on charge of corruption are clean, or that Khaleda and Hasina should be immune to any corruption proceedings. In fact, this paper has maintained consistently that whatever allegations there are against whomever should be thoroughly probed, efficiently prosecuted and conclusively proved. We have also observed time and again that, even if they were not directly involved in corruption, Khaleda and Hasina cannot shirk the responsibility for presiding over regimes that are perceived to have taken crime and corruption to unprecedented heights. But, at the same time, we have held that any proceedings against them must be within the ambit of law and transparent, both in reality and in public perception, and not just a ploy to force them into submitting to an imposed political agenda.
Regrettably, the interim government does not seem to have much regard for public perception or apprehension. It has presided over the anti-corruption drive in a way that has been brazenly selective. The guiding principle seems to be that anyone willing to toe the government’s line will be above or beyond the law no matter how compelling the evidence or allegation of corruption against them. Such a distorted singularity of purpose has already stripped the drive of whatever credibility and public support it may have had when it was launched six months or so back. If the government insists on continuing the drive in the same vein, soon it will itself lose its credibility. The incumbents should realise the erosion of credibility may have already started.
Therefore, the onus is on them to prove beyond doubt that the anti-corruption drive is as blind as justice and above any consideration of friends and foes, and that the arrest of Hasina is not part of any overt or covert plan to install a new political order in the country, neutralising the two former prime ministers. The government needs to realise that any plan to politically neutralise Khaleda and Hasina forcibly or arbitrarily, without allowing politics to take its natural course, will be detrimental for the country as a whole, both in the short and the long term.
July 16th, 2007 at 11:58 pm
Minus 2 Formula
Minus 2 Formula is the so-called ongoing political attempt in Bangladesh to banish the former prime ministers Khaleda Zia and Sheikh Hasina from politics forever.
Source :Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minus_2_Formula
July 17th, 2007 at 12:03 am
the same ppl who were advocating that SH should not be exiled but should be tried for her crimes are now advocating it is not right to arrest her even if there are at least a dozen litigations against her. Why dont these ppl have the guts to come out and say that they are some brainwashed armchair bloggers who are mentally disabled to think other than idoling their corrupted leaders?
all their arguments remind me of an old bangla proverb “bichar mani kintu talgach amar”.
July 17th, 2007 at 12:28 am
observer 29, please reread my piece. All for litigation but I hope you can debate on the issue that I raised rather arguing aimlessly or name calling. By the way, I had a lot of nice things to say about the leader you think I idolize. Perhaps you can read this — http://www.drishtipat.org/blog/2007/05/23/faq-for-hasina/
Boishakhi #23, I did mention the lower court, didn’t I? Feel free to think that the lower court is free from influence. Of course, they can apply and get bails in Supreme Court. But why would the lower courts be so dysfunctional ? Isn’t this govt supposed to be better than all other ones? Wasn’t this govt just separated the judiciary from the admin?
ZM, not going to get into the argument on who knows the pulse of the country more. Neither you or I cannot be the judge. By your logic, if this arrest is so insignificant, then CTG is wasting resource (had 1000 RAB and police booked for this arrest today) and distracting the people from the real issues like inflation. Regarding this not setting a trend as per you, I am sorry that I thought you followed what happened in Pakistan closely.
LTT, regarding your query, if a CEO does not perform in a corporation, he/she gets voted out by the board in a democratic process — not forced out by brute power. Regarding the comment about double standard on justice system, I’d like to believe that the higher judiciary was relatively in better shape until 2002-3 before Mr. Moudud started his dance with it. Also since Mohiuddin was tried when BNP govt was in power, the chance of undue influence is even less. But I agree with you in general that there is a double standard on both sides.
July 17th, 2007 at 1:15 am
zm,
Last comment on this issue because I don’t want to take this completely off track. In case you didn’t get my sarcasm, I was saying how do statements implying that ONLY rich people like those that frequent the Gulshan club/bubble are now in jail show YOU to be anything other than a “bubble boy/girl” yourself? Which is why I said, go take a look at the detention figures all around the country. See if they all got due process or not. Ask them if they have charges against them. And yeah maybe you can slip in a question about the Gulshan club in there. Wake up and smell the unconstitutonal detention.
Your so-called poor people who only care about rice and daal are a myth. Yes inflation is important. But ask the man in jail whether he’d be free and paying for his food or in jail and getting state-catering. End of this rant.
July 17th, 2007 at 1:35 am
I think its worth noting that given the suspension of fundamental rights by this government, expecting due process is a bit of a pipe dream.
Sheikh Hasina’s arrest, although spectacular, is part of a larger pattern of detentions in the last six months. Given the international media focus, she is likely to get more of a facade of “due process” than the 200,000 in jail and some of the other political figures. But the goal is a decapitation of the political parties - now they are just hunting for the right charge to make it all stick.
This military government went way past the constitutional mandate of a caretaker government a while ago. Little details like the section of the constitution about fundamental rights are not going to stop them.
They have now gone for the kill. I wonder if they will be as successful as their trailblazing comrades circa 1975. Then with state control of the media and without the free flow of information on the internet and via cell phones these days, it was much easier to clamp down on the citizenry and control the message. This time the military may not fare so well in the information war. Whether that translates into their collapse remains to be seen.
July 17th, 2007 at 1:56 am
Post # 30: Asif S: Thanks for your reply. I am happy to note your agreement: “But I agree with you in general that there is a double standard on both sides.” That was my point. So long we recognize this, we can understand the ulterior motive, if any.
As for CEO, yes I agree with you that the CEO will be voted out (by shareholders directly rather in a very unusual situation where things go down south that far) or be replaced / given a severance package by the decision of Board of Directors (more commonly).
However, I am positive, you will also agree that in western corporate world the system of voting do exist where the vote can be exercised.
In case of Bangladesh, despite their repeated failure, both SH / KZ do command lot of votes which do not take corruption into account but relies on emotion related to Bangabondhu or Zia. You can look at the picture of the lawyer crying - wow :)! Amazing lawyer!
Hence, I doubt, and it is my conviction, irrespective of the charge of rampant corruption, assuming that to be true, if ever we (the emotional Bangladeshis in love with political deities) will choose not to vote them! Here lies the problem.
I rather argued on the end result, where I strongly believe that after the dismal performance of the country under their leadership, these two ladies lost the right to lead us again. Such people will not be hired again in a corporate world.
So what is my preference: of course oust them through vote, if and if we could only arrange a vote like corporate world that we just talked about, where performance speaks and not the family connection. But when I know that through vote it is not possible (because of emotional loyalty like that of the crying lawyer, think about the farmer or the worker!), I want them to resign taking the blame, or at least retire respectfully and give chance to new blood. I am even willing to ignore all their misdeeds (out of respect for the name they carry) if and if they just decide not to exploit this country any more.
I doubt they will even consider the respectful exit, hence can’t help but supporting this litigation process through government mechanism that they used at will when they were in power. We can have a judiciary that we only have, nothing more nothing less. And I would like them to clear their name, if they can, before they ask for another chance! I will definitely respect the emotion of the people should they come clear. Why not face the trial!
I am definite and so won’t ask even if you would agree: that after leading the way they did, after performing the way they did, after bringing the shame to the country the way they did, Wall Street or Bay Street would not give such failed personality another chance to lead not even a company, what to say about a nation whose 150 million people get affected by their action.
Such people will not be hired, I say again.
Thanks again.
P.S. It might be worth mentionable, while we call for due process, this two ladies never faced court for trial despite having so many litigation. What due process is this when all cases against the them never sees light!
July 17th, 2007 at 2:31 am
Following the ‘due process’ or upholding ‘human rights’ in the prosecution of the alleged criminals has always been a debatable issue in the third world countries like Bangladesh. Then, should we follow the western legal/judicial system whereby criminals, like Mike Tyson, come out a bigger ‘star’ after spending a short span in the jail? Or, should we continue to tamper with law to prosecute the ‘criminals’?? Or, is there any mid way that can strike a balance between the two???
In the context of the present day Bangladesh, would you go for the ‘due process’ or upholding ‘human rights’ in the prosecution of the leaders who have presided over the looting of the country for a long time, at the risk of letting them off for lack of ‘proper’ evidence? Or, would you prefer going for the jugular to rob them of their ill-gotten money, at the risk of twisting law?? I will definitely opt for the latter in case of any chance of their getting out scot-free for lack of legally acceptable evidence. I believe overwhelming majority of the Bangladeshis will do the same, in the light of the bitter history of independent Bangladesh.
July 17th, 2007 at 2:41 am
On july 16, it was reported in Nayadiganta that the investigation report for the extortion case agaist hasina and selim was not submitted in the court on 15th since the investigation was not done.
http://dailynayadiganta.com/fullnews.asp?News_ID=32687&sec=1
Funny enough, she was shown arrested on that very case. Later Mr. Moinul Hossain claims that she was arrested since it is not possible to submit the charge sheet if she is not shown arrested.
Now my question is how do you submit a chargesheet if the investigation is not completed.
Now regarding Tareq Zia. It was claimed in the news papers based on govt sources that he disclosed his foreign account numbers during interrogation. Also, investigators visited 5 countries in question and found those accounts.
Moin also told us that there were huge sums of money taken outside the country and they found out about those.
if TZ agreed to have those accounts and it should not have been difficult for them to bring back the money with TZ’s aouthorization.
Six months have passed. Nobody is talking about bringing that money back anymore if they were telling the truth.
If some one has agreed to have those foreign accounts and gives authorization to bring those money back, why do we really have to sign agreements with foreign countries.
I have a strong feeling that we are being shortchanged.
July 17th, 2007 at 3:53 am
I like to say that Hasina is not bailable like others VIPs who are sitting in the jail now. If you want her to get bail, then you should ask court to bail all the corrupt VIPs in the jail now. Please do not play double standard because you love ne party over another.
If you relly concern about human rights and due process, play your game for every body, not ant particular person, in this case Hasina.
Lets the court decide if she is innocent or not. If she is innocent, she will come out as big. So wait and see. Don’t try to jump up and down for her now if you really love Bangladesh more than her.
Best wishes,
Eng. M. M. Chowdhury, Atlanta, USA
July 17th, 2007 at 3:58 am
To all who’re lamenting for Sheik Hasina,
You, people are talking about due process but I believe, the CTG has followed more due process in case of Sheik Hasina compared to others arrestees like Tariq, Nazmul Huda, Muoudud, Nasim and others.
After filing extortion case of one crore takas against Tariq, the government even didn’t wait for a week. And other leaders were arrested even without any specific cases against them. If we do follow all the arrest events, we see Sheik Hasina’s case was filed more than 2 months and CTG was rather late in arresting Sheik Hasina for the extortion case of 3 crore takas, if compared her arrest with others.
Moreover, did Sheik Hasina herself ever followed due process in her term as prime minister. Can we recall how Colonel Faruque was arrested with the fake charge of possessing illegal arms and then filing Sheik Mujib’s murder case against him.
Did Hasina ever question about due process while other leaders were arrested at the beginning of the anti-corruption drive. Rather, she was so gleeful when she saw her opponents especially Tariq was busted. Did any body ever hear anything like due process from her unrestrained foul mouth. Her venomous mouth always houled yelling of direct revenge, direct action, damned care about rules and laws and due processes. We saw her criminal behavior in all ghearao,lagatar hartal, Jalao-porao, logi-boita, paralyze or shut-down-nation movement. Nobody ever witnessd any sense of civility, sense of humanity and any sense of remorse for all destructive apolitical anarchy aimed at getting the gold-gilded arm-chair of power.
The whole nation noted when she declared her ratification of any action of the CTG. And the pledge of ratification was unconditional as she thought, as CTG was the outcome of her movement [political anarchy] the CTG would restrict their anti-corruption drive against Khaleda, Tariq and BNPers only and get embarrassed to touch herself and her thugs.
So, why should we lament for her while she pledged her ratification of any job of CTG. And that pledge doesn’t include endorsement of her own arrest in advance! Alas!
Hi poor Hasina! She didn’t learn the very simple teaching , if you spit on sky it comes back to thou face. This is the natural law.
Don’t repent!, this arrest will promote her to a first class leader. With scores of hononrary PhDs’ one can’t make him or herself a class one leader. A leader without spending sometime behind the bar always a class-2 leader. The only condition to be class one leader is spending in sometime of life in jail. Now Hasina got this golden chance. She shouldn’t squader this opportunity to get promoted to first class political leader like her dad.
Thanks.
July 17th, 2007 at 4:54 am
Who will rise up against the “The CTG which is preaching moral superiority over all must set the standard”, and for what? Me and you who are sitting in their comfort can only midlessly blogging away at their comfot and throw rhetoric about justice and due process? Will a single person here take to the streets to demonstrate against the CTG violation of human rights? (Unless you consider writing blogs a form of demonstration)
As long as we can comfortably stay within our own “bubble” all we will be doing is bickering among each other about violation of human rights, lack of transparency…etc.
Don’t get me wrong, I am not saying that information and discussion via blogs, and forums is anything that is to be despised, but it is rather “entertaining” to hear all the discussion and rants;its probably all that it is.
July 17th, 2007 at 4:59 am
Interview of AGC
July 17th, 2007 at 5:05 am
Mr. Asif S., I think you need to know that some of the cheques given to Sheikh Selim were cleared through Sk. Hasina’s account. That is complicity enough.
For those who are complaining about inflation should know what happens to consumer goods prices when oil prices go up to $74/barrel (America’s ‘chandabazi’)and when we shut down our ports and roads for weeks, on and off. The consequenses come after about six months and that is exactly what happened. I fail to understand why our brilliant economists cannot explain this. Let us be patient and things will fall into place.
July 17th, 2007 at 6:02 am
I hope the CTG have evaluated the merit of case against Hasina fairy well, if it doesn’t stick then it will guarantee their downfall, on a personal note I am not at all sadden by the incident as she couldn’t restrain herself from continuous squabbling
July 17th, 2007 at 6:23 am
Zahid do you have the number of the cheques, clearing date, amount and all. what is the bank name? Have you seen those. what is your information source? Just don’t make any silly comments where you don’t have responsibility
just to spread venom
July 17th, 2007 at 6:59 am
The Bangladeshi public will not be gullible enough to fight for the democratic rights of the undemocratic leaders like Khaleda and Hasina, in this age of information, taking their track record of the last 16 years into account, I believe.
July 17th, 2007 at 7:16 am
M M Chowdhury, either you are unable to read English or you are trying to confuse people intentionally when you said I was asking for due process only for Hasina.
In this post, I have mentioned Tareque Rahman and asked for day in court for all citizens and also throughout last few months me and other bloggers here have constantly called for this. A few samples of this.
http://www.drishtipat.org/blog/2007/04/16/war-on-corruption/
http://www.drishtipat.org/blog/2007/05/12/faq/
http://www.drishtipat.org/blog/2007/03/08/a-fortunate-tareq/
Zahid,
Can you provide us the reference to your claim that checks were cashed in Hasina’s account? That piece of info was not mentioned in the FIR. I have searched through all the newspaper reports on this yesterday but never saw this information.
Tanim, you are moving the debate into a different direction. Jalao porao and going to the street is not the only form of protest/debate. At least, we are speaking compared to most of the media in Bangladesh.
Ahbab,
That is the fundamental question about competing rights but I will stand for rule of law any day. With competence it should be possible to get enough evidence of corruption against some of this group. But when you see corruption cases are being used as a form of extortion itself to bring people to Kings party as suggested by Mr. Anam today in DS, you know that daal me kuch kala hai and you know that this was bound to happen. Today I saw on TV a group of mastans under the banner of jagroto jonota doing procession supporting the CTG for arresting Hasina. Police did not stop them. Does it remind you of Jatiyo Party and Jagodol ?
July 17th, 2007 at 7:47 am
re: #15,
Thank you for the explanation. It would be useful to get a transcript of the proceedings from the day’s deliberations. The bit we have from New Age aren’t very useful in this regard.
The only thing tarnishing your post is the comment, “how can Joy afford to live here in the USA, have a kid, quit his job, and then enroll at Harvard graduate school? is there any doubt that this family has siphoned off enough money from the Bangladesh people to live very nicely? Is everyone so stupid or blind that they can’t see this?”. You, like a few other posters in other threads, assume that whoever lives abroad does so with the financial support of his/her parents. This is not necessarily the case - in fact, to make that connection would be very premature.
July 17th, 2007 at 8:40 am
45#
“how can Joy afford to live here in the USA, have a kid, quit his job, and then enroll at Harvard graduate school? is there any doubt that this family has siphoned off enough money from the Bangladesh people to live very nicely? Is everyone so stupid or blind that they can’t see this?”
Ans: Bengali I failed to understand why you guys
hide your name. If you guys are honest enough why don’t you come your own Identity? Joy is not in the power.So are you scared of some thing?
How can I understand you are not any corrupt leader and fanatic. By the way
Still if you have any question why don’t you go and search D&B or B&B report about financial report of the Joy. Ask any USA lawyer to check his income tax status or not.
Basically bitter truth is that you guys only know to spread the venom. If you are honest enough Just produce the proof on your evidence.
Don’t run on Hypothesis. Other wise you guys will be treated a coward.
July 17th, 2007 at 9:03 am
Moinul Hosein is trying to take advantage of his prefix ” barrister”. I am sure if he were arguing in this way before the court, there was a huge possibility that the court turned him out of the court premise for bogus speaking. I feel pity for this non-sense advisor.
he is presently crying for the jamaties.
July 17th, 2007 at 9:28 am
How Joy study /Live USA?
My father never send any money from Bangladesh . I passed from University in London.Self Study expenses.I also send money from London to Dhaka.I live in UK. Many student send money to Dhaka. Not take money.
Only 5% student get money from Bangladesh .Never tell this to British high commissioner.
In UK , a lot of Bangladeshi live who can send money to Hasina , Khalada .Because they like party. This is not illigal.
July 17th, 2007 at 10:31 am
First, it was Joy’s going to Harvard that was fake. A lot of time and energy was spent in researching this. Now that it is public knowledge that he has been admitted, we want to know where is he getting all the money from. You don’t need to look far. Joy writes in his own blog:
Quote:-
“I have just been accepted into the Masters in Public Administration Program at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University. Now I have to figure out how to pay for it. I would like to ask the military government to forward me the account numbers of where I have allegedly stashed all this money so I can go to school!”
Unquote:-
Instant Karma, maybe you can help this guy too.
Farhad
July 17th, 2007 at 11:03 am
A blind leading the blind.
July 17th, 2007 at 11:07 am
Farhad Bhai 49# Thanks for your statement.
Now I just want to say some thing in here.
The two threads of Asif & Rumi Bhai are mainly
based on arrest of Sheikh Hasina. Plus CTG policy , Due process.
But what I am watching here some people are discussing very cheaply about Executive class travel, Personal life of Joy and fake reference of some respected people (Abdul Gaffar Chy).
Even some times they are referring some Bank transaction and all with out any proof. Basically This tendency is simply diverting the people from main topic. People can use any name no problem.
But If you want to put serious charge against some one at least you should have
that honesty to come with your own name.
Rubel bhai is using Salam Dhaka. I am using Journey to Infinitive. But Neither of us is
commenting specifically He or she is transacting X amount of money in any account.
Because we believe without proof we have no right to speak about such things.This is the matter of Judiciary.
So what I feel that any sort of personal attack to any one with out valid reference or proof should be examined properly.
We are Blogger. we are not Print and electronic media. So Valid reference(URL of
news link) of any charge should be presented.we are not professional journalists. we have responsibility towards country. This issue is sensitive.
This is not mandatory but I think every one of us should come with proper identity. Other wise what happened any one will come with tomorrow with any name ( may be Asif, Rumi, Sushanta) etc to post any comments.
Basically My feeling is that as state of emergency is going on lots of people are depending on Blog sphere. we all are concern
Citizen. we have difference of opinion. Sheikh Hasina and Khaleda Zia are national leaders.Yes we have every right to respect or reject them . But If we want to humilate
them with spicy imaginary information end of the day we are even not doing Justice to ourselves. Because we people elected them and end of the day they are the common people like us.
I am really sorry if my comments hurt someone.
July 17th, 2007 at 11:26 am
Obviously I there is a big flaw in the process and adviser for law is misleading the law big time. I basically might not have any objection on this incident if it was a move with honest intention. But I feel there is a conspiracy going on here. Any thoughtful person would point on this government for their one-eyed attitude towards few politicians. I guess Mannan Bhuyan is one of the most corrupted ministers among last BNP-Jamat government. Same goes with Amu, Tofayel Ahmed and Razzaque at their term. Another political party and active part of last government, Jamayet-e-Islami was not accused for any sort of corruption, when everyone knows how good they were in corruption. If we drill-down the fact of Extremist groups in Bangladesh, they all are originated from this party. But they were being propagated by this government now. Is it only because they are backing up this government. It would be appropriate if call them ‘Beneficiary Group’. I hope we are not repeating our mistake here again. Hope we are not taking the failure formula of Pakistan as an example here.
July 17th, 2007 at 11:36 am
If Joy has not money then why did he apply to take admission in Harvard? Please don’t try to make us fool. It is also heard that he always drive a posh car and stay in posh hotel during his holiday there.
When S/H comes to London she always stays in the same apartment in Knights Bridge which is very posh area in London and claims that she rent that apartment. Only millionaire can afford to buy or rent an apartment in that area. The question is how come she rent the same apartment every time she visits in London? There is a rumour that the apartment is under her name. If she is the owner of that apartment then obviously the question arise that where did she get all the money to buy that property in UK despite not having any proper source of income in abroad as well as in BD. S/H and Mr. Joy please stop lying and don’t undermine the people of BD.
July 17th, 2007 at 11:48 am
MRA,
You mentioned three things in your comment.
1. Joy driving posh cars and staying in posh hotels.
2. Shaikh Hasina staying in expensive apartments and possibly renting them
3. Shaikh Hasina owns the apartment in Knightsbridge.
All three things are as per you “it is heard”, “There is a rumour”.
So I rest my case in the credibility of your logic and argument which is entirely based on hearsays and rumours.
It is not difficult to find the owner of a place in the net in UK. Please give me the address of her place in Knightbridge and I can spend 20 pound to do a land search and see under whose name that apartment is registered under.
Requesting the admins to not post any more propaganda material without references here.
Tanoy,
There is no rule to avoid annonymous posting here. If people are allowed to post annonymously for Khaleda Zia and other BNP leaders, they should be able to do the same for AL leaders as well. Ek deshe dui niyom hoy ki kore. But I do appreciate your need to provide references in making accusations which I sadly recall were missing when you, Rubel and others were accusing Dr. Yunus consistently only a few months ago. What goes around, comes around. There is a lesson to be learnt here. Bitterboy also makes a valid point that AL leaders including Hasina never called for due process when there oppnonents were getting arrested a few months ago.
July 17th, 2007 at 12:27 pm
Asif,
First of all Let me make clear to you . Yes I am not follower the Politics of BNP . But I don’t think I My self put anything against Khaleda on anonymous names or some thing. But
If you go towards my previous post on your DP
here you will never find any thing I spoke due process against Khaleda.
Now Regarding Tarek Zia I think It was his destiny. Again I mention Tarek Zia & Go
don’t have any good track record in last 5 years but obviously due process should be followed up even in his side. He should be standing in front of court not in any Kangaroo court. But It is not right because of the work of Track and babar you need to go back to 25 /30 years back to find to open some old files. Yes If It is properly done is ok. Then there must be level playing filed for every one.
Why are we silent about the most controversial party Jamat-E- Islami for their did in 71. why are we telling that we divided the nation.
Even some rumors are there Nijami and Mujahid recruited lots of Jamat workers in their ministry. If It is even false Can’t we make investigate againstthem?
Can You please Clearly mention what the accusation we put against Yunus?
I am uttering the same today that I wanted to see Yunus as a truly secular unbiased leader. I did not want to see yunus is used by some so called Anti AL platform.
See lots of accusation is against Grameen bank on today about so called higher interest and all.
In Current situation of Bangladesh If Yunus
protest any thing against CTG , even a case may be filed against him in such issue.
Basically I don’t like at all that Yunus left the filed of politics. Because we needed the person like him . But I am sorry to say that Dr Yunus thought he would get 100% support from the people of the country.
Yes he could get it if he speaks about the public issue and in every crisis moment of the country he has a strong stand.
In that case he did not need the support of the tiny people like Rubel or Me.
whole Bangladesh supported him with Big Heart.
July 17th, 2007 at 1:37 pm
52: MRA Says:
If Joy has not money then why did he apply to take admission in Harvard?
The information bellow may help you.
Now I live in London . My father never send me money .But I send money BD.
I passed MSc in University in UK.Self income.
I have plan to study Phd. I may take admmsion .If arranged money ,then complete study.
July 17th, 2007 at 1:40 pm
A playful exercise:
I just wanted to see the pulse of this blog, specially in this thread about what we are thinking at macro level. So did spend some time trying to count the number of people who are fighting for and against Hasina’s arrest.
Here is the figure: (Counted upto Post Post # 53)
1. A total of 14 commentators supported the move of arresting Sh and consequently wants to see her off from the leadership.
2. A total of 10 bloggers are against the move and supported Hasina.
3. I could not determine the stance of 3 bloggers.
4. I ignored the stance of S.Tanveer and Asif. S as they related to the site administrator. However, I got the feeling both of them are for justice if anything is done illegal, irrespective of whoever did the crime, but wants to stand for due process.
P.S. Asif. S wrote in Post # 53: - “…Bitterboy also makes a valid point that AL leaders including Hasina never called for due process when there oppnonents were getting arrested a few months ago.”
From the first comment Post # 1, that I wrote:
“A question please: Did Hasina ask for Tareq Zia’s arrest, either directly or indirectly? Did she ever implied about arresting TZ after this caretaker government took over!
Did she ask for due process once Tareq Zia was arrested! Did she ask for due process once the big names of BNP were being caught!”
Good to see people catching up the train and seeing things the way they are. By the by, Bitter boy Thanks for the appreciation in Islamization thread. I posted a comment but didn’t see it. May be a mistake. better late than never.
As for Joy:
Some people are making reference that how he is staying in house or bought house and going to harvard etc etc. I would like to make a point here.
I don’t think it is a discredit for Joy (not that I subscribe to his political manipulation) to have a house or make money. In fact it is also a credit that he is going to Harvard. Anyone coming to US and doing a ok job should be able to buy house and take a vacation once in a while, in a luxury resort or go for a cruise. That should not be taken as a count against him.
What might be taken as a farcical dialogue is his effort to imply that he does not have money to go to harvard and so and so forth, (Post # 49). If you don’t have money why to apply for one that you don’t know how to pay! I read his blog and fail to comprehend how he compares today with 1975 or to that of Nazi attrocitie! Amazing result of amazing education…. But anyway, I say, go for Harvard. At least he will have one more earned degree than one conferred, the like his mom got one bag full.
Thanks
July 17th, 2007 at 2:25 pm
LetsTalktruth Says about Joy
If you don’t have money why to apply for one that you don’t know how to pay!
I make a similar reply about that in my post # 56.
Why Joy can not expect to study more? May be he has a finincial problem now.
But, If joy make a corruption ,he must be punished according to the law.
Please tell us what more are you imagine about Joy?
July 17th, 2007 at 2:58 pm
For reading pleasure…from the archives of Unheard Voices
….
Here are the two posts and all your comments made after the arrest of Tareq Zia
http://www.drishtipat.org/blog/2007/03/07/sms-arrest/
http://www.drishtipat.org/blog/2007/03/08/a-fortunate-tareq/
July 17th, 2007 at 3:03 pm
I’ll make some predictions based on my rudimentary understanding of politics and history…
Khaleda Zia will also be arrested very soon. Both AL and BNP workers will be out on the streets protesting the arrests. There will a persistence state of violence on the streets and educational institutions. In light of the violence and security concerns martial law will be declared.
Following the footsteps of Pakistan, Bangladesh will become the second largest military dictatorship in the world.
July 17th, 2007 at 3:13 pm
LTT- Ditto.
Let’s reason on the basis of logic rather than on emotion
Ditto to double standard pointed out by Asif
Apologize in advance if digressing from Topic but some of you raised the question.
A hypothetical question: How could a person who does not have any known source of income (or have not had for her whole career) afford a Mercedes Benz G55 AMG? Perhaps her investment returns are over 1000% each year? If that’s the case then she should be on the cover of Fortune magazine
(But again we are left with what was the source of her income)
I have been working for over ten years now (few of it earning six figure incomes). Invested heavily and made decent profit but would not able to command the same standards of living as someone with no income?
Are we defying logic here?
P.S.
DP does a lot of good work but perhaps by taking a courageous and unbiased stand it can do the greatest good to the poor of the country.
Logic applied: Stable country> increase in potential investors’ confidence> increase in investments> increase in economic and job growth> more opportunity for advancements
One may look to our neighbor to see my logic in work
Cheers
July 17th, 2007 at 3:22 pm
Truthseeker/LTT
Apnar namer sathe kajer mil nai. So apnar Nick name ta change koren Bhai.
I love to count your words in DP. It seems that many of your explanations are false. So better take the name Falseseeker ot Letsfalsetalk.
If you dont agree, i will then show how many words you have said DP without any valid documentation.
Admin: Very Very Sorry for personal attack. But I cant live without saying that.
July 17th, 2007 at 3:40 pm
I have just come accross the statement of
MA Matin-
http://www.bdnews24.com/details.php?cid=2&id=14995#tp14995
now comparing the statement of Barrister Mainul
http://jugantor.com/online/news.php?id=82515&sys=3
Basically I really don’t have idea why such type of Opposite statements are coming from Two advisers.
M&M duo are confusing themselves even.
July 17th, 2007 at 5:06 pm
Unanswered Questions:
1. Why Pres. Ahmed is out of country when SK Hasina was arrested?
2. Who came up with the “Minus two” theory?
3. Why Gen. Moeen publicly speak about changing constitution?
4. How Mannan Bhuiya (or similar Mir Zafar’s) get courage to speak (in broken bangla) about reform?
5. Why MBG(Military-backed Govt) acts like MG(Military Govt)?
6. Who picked current group of actors, sorry, advisors of MBG?
7. Why price of essential goods are going up, up and up?
July 17th, 2007 at 6:29 pm
Tanoy bhai,
If you don’t mind, I’d like “butt in” on your earlier conversation with Asif bhai. Full disclosure: I was a big Yunus supporter and have been very disappointed with him when his real reasons for entering/exiting politics came out. That is not why I’m bringing this issue up.
When Yunus wanted to enter politics, AL-ers (not you in particular) started talking against “civil society”/”shushil shomaj” in general. Over the last few months, they started implying that “civil society” is the new “elite”, frequenting Dhaka/Gulshan clubs and are out of touch with the “real” people. Or they implied things like “Who are these people to talk about politicvs?” Or they said something like “NGO-wallah”, “Donor-aid diye chalay” etc. which is neither here nor there.
Ei shober maaney ki bhai?
When “Civil Society” started to become narrowly defined, Asif bhai wrote about it and criticised this trend, and people like me supported it. But that is not the issue that AL-ers brought up. They questioned the very right of civil society groups such as the press or NGO administrators or people like CPD to question and pass judgement on political parties/government. Now that people like Debapriya B. and Mahfuz Anam are speaking out against the CTG, if CTG partisans come and say, “What right have these people to question us?” tokhon Awami League supporter ra ki bolbey? Isn’t that exactly the same thing that they themselves were saying (some are still saying) not less than a week, a month ago?
Please note, this is no different from what I’ve heard from BNP people when CPD criticised the budget, when TI criticised the LGRD ministry etc. etc. I distinctly remember SQ Chowdhury (whom I personally regard to be a crook) saying that “civil society” has become too big for its boots and are the “third force” now. He wasn’t paying them a compliment I assure you. Do you not think it hurts us to see AL-supporting people speaking in almost exactly the same way as crooks like SQC?
Lastly on professor Yunus: civil society does not encompass politicians of any sort. As soon as he decided to enter politics, he was no longer part of civil society and became a politician instead. I know, I’m being “technical” here. But if we’re not “technical” about such matters, then “civil society” runs the risk of being the label of a few, instead of a viable thing that checks government power over its citizens.
My two cents, and once again, I’ve never heard you personally make remarks of this sort.
July 17th, 2007 at 7:07 pm
Excellent Debate going on here.Thanks to everyone for educating us about such important issues of the country.
Thanks
Kawser Jamal
wwww.changeBangladesh.com
Listen,Learn and then lead.
July 17th, 2007 at 8:00 pm
Asif, a bit of information you have put here is wrong. One of the co-accused Sheikh Selim told the Magistrate (we are not talking about task force interrogation here. Many alleged murderers confessed to murder in police custody only to retract before the magistrate. The magistrate sits alone, an accused gets the chance to tell his version of the story without fear), sheikh selim, Sheikh Hasina’s cousin told the magistrate alone in the latter’s room that he sheikh selim took the money and shared it with his leader Sheikh Hasina. This bit of information is aired in tonight’s news on ATN BANGLA. Now what? Is not law the same for all?
July 17th, 2007 at 8:07 pm
I had several questions for administrators. My name is Abul Kalam, but I would like to use my pen name khilji, is this ok?
Is there a DP chapter in Los Angeles?
Thirdly, DP is concerned with human rights for the people of Bangladesh, does it consider the right of people to have a better future as more important or is looking at each individual cases microscopically more important, so that rights, as defined in Western Society, are ensured for all in our Bangladesh society. I know this is basically a watchdog site like Amnesty International with a focus on Bangladesh, but how do the participants feel about matters other than human rights and how they affect Bangladesh as a nation state and its people, such as geo-politics, foreign policy, defense, trade, industry, energy, economy, culture, religion etc., as these are important for development which is the only sure way to ensure basic human rights for the largest number of population in the long term.
July 17th, 2007 at 8:10 pm
“See lots of accusation is against Grameen bank on today about so called higher interest and all.”…
there are millions of serious accusation against AL, BNP and their so called honest leaders as well. What these mischievous leaders have attained for the country apart from the corruption trophy? Conversly Mr. Yunus and his Grameen brought the prestigious nobel prize for the nation which your mother of corruption S/H and K/Z won’t be able to bring in their life time even if they get another 100 doctorate degree (To me having this honorable doctorate degree of our political leaders is just to show off and to fool the people).
If some one try to be a thug and get hysteria in DP blog to have the name of a message writer; I’m providing my real name to stop his hysterical nature in this forum. My real name is Azizul haque. Now Catch me if you can…ha ha ha.
July 17th, 2007 at 8:29 pm
To LTT:
As you were counting for and against Hasina’s arrrest and going to jail, personally I am not for or against this arrest or her going to jail. She should be treated fairly and everything should be done with due process under existing law - if she is charged with a crime under court of law and it is proven, she should do jail time as everyone else, but if the charges cannot be proven then she should be set free. CTG should not give her special privileged treatment and nor should our “independent judiciary”.
As for KZ and SH getting involved in politics again, I think all concerned in CTG and Judiciary should find every legal means to stop these ladies from getting involved. Both of them have proven that they are unfit to lead the nation or to engage in constructive politics. They had 15 years to prove it. This is my personal opinion.
At the end of the day, it is our national interest and the welfare of our people that should be the highest concern. The constitution and all laws are created for this purpose not the other way around. The question is who really safeguards that interest and who decides that they are fit to do this, of course people do. That is where democracy comes in. But what if the majority can be easily fooled with propaganda. So democracy specially in poor illiterate countries historically have very poor record of facilitating development.
One outrageous conspiracy theory is that the Evangelical Christians keep people as poor as possible, so more can be converted to their religion and way of life. If people developed and had money they would kick out Missionary preachers like in Kazakhstan for example. But Kyrgyzstan remains poor and more opportunities to convert, this is again just an example.
July 17th, 2007 at 8:53 pm
Tanoy,
Re: 46, I’m not sure what you’re responding to. If its the statements in the quotes, I didn’t say it, I was responding to it. (Original at #15).
And I don’t use my real name because I find comfort in the anonymity that allows me to say what I want. If I were using this anonymity to spread misinformation or lies, you would be very right in accusing me of abuse of that anonymity DP allows its posters. However, pointing out fallacies in arguments and hearsay does not constitute that.
On a separate note, the Jugantor link was also interesting because at the end it mentions how the advisor was asked why the Secy General of Jamaat, Mujahid, was allowed to fly out and not arrested despite having an extortion case to his name, and he left w/o saying anything.
July 17th, 2007 at 8:55 pm
Dear Asif S.,
As per this thread I think ‘Instant Karma’ told exactly right thing regarding bail of SH in Post # 15.
I also agree with Post # 22 of ‘Letstalktruth’ regarding Double standard, I think you should think in cool brain and fresh mind and U will get the answer.
The funniest think is that both the State Minister of SH and KZ are arrested for corruption charges and we know they really did that. Now if SH and KZ both have little bit of self respect then both of them should have been resigned form their post of party taking the blame that they failed to select the correct person as a State Minister whose job is to defend the country from corruption and keeping the law and order of the country.
Now for the Joy lovers, - Go to the link below and read about the life hood of Joy (how many times he was arrested) and his wealth. While Joy’s company doing Business (not profit) of around $61,000.00 and $35,000.00 then he is buying house of ‘One million dollars’. Any one can guess from where he got that money!!!!!!
http://amadershomoy.com/news.php?id=173732&sys=3
Now who wants to know about the apartment of SH in London, - go to the link below and if U want to know more details then U can write to Mr. Faisol (his email address is in the writing)
http://amadershomoy.com/news.php?id=166532&sys=3
Thanks
July 17th, 2007 at 9:37 pm
Random thoughts . . .
Forget about Hasina, she is on her way out. She knows this, and anyone with common sense knows this. Now you need to ask yourselves, who will take her place.
Think about it people, the AL is just a front for the personality cult that Hasina has created. Go to their website and you will see “Bangabandhu’s” ugly mug on the top of the site, Hasina’s ugly mug on the front page, and now we see Joy’s expertly quaffed mug on the front of the page where it reads . . “We are delighted to welcome Sajeeb, the first Bangladeshi politician, to the blogging community. ” http://www.albd.org/autoalbd/index.php First of all, what the h*ll does that mean? the “first Bangladeshi politician”? The site gives no such billing to other executive members of the AL party because Hasina needs to keep everyone down and unknown so that when Joy is groomed to step in, he will have an easy path.
If the CTG were capable of conducting a proper financial crime investigation, they would locate Hasina’s money whcih has been launderoed around the world, and they would furhter see that a significnat portion of the money flowed from the extortion the graft (remember the MIGS that did not work?), to her offspring.
Now joy is preparing to go to Harvard . .. Joy states: “I have just been accepted into the Masters in Public Administration Program at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University. Now I have to figure out how to pay for it. I would like to ask the military government to forward me the account numbers of where I have allegedly stashed all this money so I can go to school!”
The Harvard website notes that tuition and costs for foreign students for one calendar year in the Masters in Public Administration Program at the Kennedy School of Government is $63, 431 and dependant costs are approximately 19,000. Do the math . . . it is approx 84,000.00 http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/financialaid/tuition.htm
The Harvard website further states:
For most international students, KSG must rely on the student to secure funding for their studies and living expenses. Most students must look outside the school in order to secure the funding for the entire cost of attendance. As you plan your period of study in the United States, it is important to begin well in advance . . . Please note that many grants and fellowships are awarded on the basis of competitions that require candidates to begin the application procedure 12 months or more before attendance. Also, it is required for students to secure and certify full funding in order to be approved for a student visa. http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/financialaid/intlstudents.htm
It would therefore seem that Joy already has the money to pay, and this pleas of poverty are being spread to fool the naive in Bangladesh, and the naive in this crowded blog.
In light of the fact that the Bangladesh governments over the years have proven themselves to be incapable of governing, and the Bangladeshi courts have proven themselves over the years to be incapable of serving justice, I have no faith that the CTG will be any better. *Sigh* but I am reminded of the saying that people get the government that they deserve.
My wish is that Hasina would return to the USA, and then be indicted for money laundering and extortion the United States, and serve time here in the USA. It would be icing on the cake if Joy could be tossed into the mix as well, as he is benefiting from Hasian’s illegal schemes. For the non-lawyers out there, I assure you that such a prosecution is possible. In fact, the former prime minister of Ukraine, lazarenko, was recently convicted in a San Francisco court for ,among other things, extortion. In that case, he deprived the Ukrainian public of his honest services and extorted millions from Ukrainian businessmen. The hundreds of millions of dollars that were then routed through Swiss banks, Antigua, and the US were then the basis for the money laundering charges. http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/can/press/2006/2006_08_25.Lazarenko.sentence.press.html
Sadly, I trust that there exists no Bangladeshi sophisticated enough to invetigate Hasina’s case, or prosecute it. Maybe India or Pakistan should take over, as Bangladesh is nothing more than a failed experiment of children playing politics and war games.
July 17th, 2007 at 10:39 pm
E-Bangladesh Podcast: Tasneem Khalil with Abdul Gaffar Chowdhury:
Have a look.
http://e-bangladesh.org/topnews/e-bangladesh-podcast-tasneem-khalil-with-abdul-gaffar-chowdhury.html
July 17th, 2007 at 11:05 pm
Folks, who sympathesize Hasina for her debacle are none but crazy blinded Hasina fans or Hasina-lovers. A blind lover never rationalizes his/her behavior about the loved ones. They don’t care about how the whole world take about their actions. So, are the Hasian-lovers.
Hasina is the most corrupt leader in the entire globe. How did she purchase GONOBHABAN with token price of ONE TAKA [100 paisa] through her slavish MPs is the legendary corruption. No world leaders of modern time ever did that or even thought of that kind of corruption.
Hasina’s GonoBhavan grabing can be compared with Gordon Brown’s 10 Downing street or Bush’s White House illegal occupation for good. This kind of corruption or abuse of power worths being placed in the Guiness World Book of Record.
For this act of corruption, abuse of power, and deschastisement of Parliament, Hasina should have been sentenced to life-term and disqualified for politics. And those MPs who voted for this historic black bill should have jailed at least for 5 years and again disqualified for politics for the rest of their lives.
Thanks.
July 17th, 2007 at 11:16 pm
Bangladesh has record growth in three decades.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/07/16/business/bangladesh.php
On other words Awami League & Joy should not be looking to oust CTG anytime soon, atleast with help of the west.
July 17th, 2007 at 11:48 pm
Citizen could choose not to vote Hasina/AW and they may have plenty of opinion against her which may fit their analysis of their point of view on national issues and if possible they would use their views/points/proofs against her so she doesn’t win. Such practice is not black & white and it has some grays in it. It works fine in a democratic society as no one is immune to biasness of whatever level it may be. But this practice must not be mixed up with criminal cases. Criminality must not be mixed with politics or bias view. Those who hate Hasina and are believers need to be cautious in mixing up criminal cases with political views and acting as if their view of Hasina is authentic, knowing very well that there sources may not be error proof. Such practice is harmful for justice.
At least in this case, authority could summon her with charges in court; run the unbiased proper course of law, if guilty is found that is only when arrest could have made. Such would be an example of running justice with humility. As for those who wants her to be treated this way because ‘what she did in past to whom or what……’ are simply revengeful and not seeking justice.
July 18th, 2007 at 3:34 am
Mr. Asif, the author of this blog, if you think you can read all the english, then I am ok with your asertion that I can not read english.
I think that you need to read your mind more than english when you disapproved any aurgument against Hasina or Joy like Hasina recieved 3 crore checks, Joy is doing well without working, Putul has very expensive houses etc. You tell everything is rumour about her. So please stop reading english, read your head when you discard others aurgument about Hasain.
Refesh your head before saying that I can not read Enlish. Now-a-days I have seen people engaged in personal attack when they can not win or put their facts like you.
Love your country more than a particular person.
Best wishes,
M. M. Chowdhury, Atlanta, USA
July 18th, 2007 at 3:36 am
I think the CTG should be free to investigate SH visavis extortion or other charges, just like any one else. The question in the minds of many is the necessity for arresting her at this stage.
ACC has asked for wealth statements; Jalil and Sk. Selim have apparently implicated her. I see no problem for the authorities to build up the case against her for an eventual trial, without incarcerating her. Further, there was no risk of flight as the CTG was constantly monitoring her. Earlier, she demonstrated willingness to fight the charges rather than stay abroad.
Since the CTG has explicitly telegraphed a “minus two” plan, a sizable fraction of BD population justifiably view this as an unfair move to oust SH from the political scene.
For many on this forum, a “minus two” plan seems like a good idea–after all, the two leaders have been big disasters for the country–how can some one with an ounce of intelligence not understand this–it’s so obvious, they say.
I think many agree with the assessment about the “netris”, yet disagree with the “minus two” plan. Others do not think there is any better choice at this time.
The proponents of a “minus two plan” implicity assume either
(a) that they speak for most in the country, or
(b) that they more qualified to make a decision than the voters themselves.
If (a) is true, let the electoral process prove them right in which case the two “netris” will simply vanish into political oblivion– no need to force it.
Deciding on the basis of (b) is inherently undemocratic. It sets up a dangerous precedent for which we will be sorry for years to come. This will only encourage a politically ambitious army chief at a future date to subvert democratic will in the name of good governance.
Democracy, especially in a developed country, is not a pretty thing. However, in the long run, I believe we are better off being patient and letting the electorate mature into making better choices.
True, democracy hasn’t worked so far. However, I believe that the pre-1/11/07 crisis and what followed has been an eye-opener for most in the country. By shoring up the ACC, EC and judicial institutions and setting up a good precedent of a clean administration, the CTG will have given the nation the best chance to sever the connection between ill-gotten money, muscle and political power that is largely responsible for the dysfunctional democracy so far.
Trying to do more by micromanaging electoral choices will simply be counter-productive. It will also jeopardize all the other good things the CTG has done so far.
July 18th, 2007 at 4:14 am
Asking a right question is very important in a time like this.
Read TIME’s pertinent question:
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1644007,00.html
With a year and a half still to go before the promised elections, there’s a lot the caretaker government can do to set Bangladesh on the path to a rosier future. But Bangladeshis now know the country’s temporary rulers can also do a lot of damage. Which will it be?
July 18th, 2007 at 4:17 am
The US perspective is also emerging, through its conservative think-tanks. Read in between the lines:
http://www.heritage.org/Research/AsiaandthePacific/wm1559.cfm
July 18th, 2007 at 4:21 am
Some details on the specifics of the case:
http://www.ajkerkagoj.com/2007/July18/1st_page.html#1
If the evidence is indeed that flimsy, then this would turn out to be a sad day for BD.
If the evidence proves to be untenable and she is released, she will cause even more havoc when out, filled with vitriolic hatred.
If the evidence proves to be untenable but she is still not released, it will severely diminish the credibility of the CTG, both inside and outside the country.
Not being able to muzzle her like KZ may have forced the govt.’s hand to detain her, but I wonder if they have, again, bitten off more than they can chew.
July 18th, 2007 at 4:22 am
Are big brothers becoming weary of CTG?
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=23261&Cr=bangladesh&Cr1=
Remember, UN sposnored this 1/11 and their disgust is apparently becoming clear. What they wanted CTG to deliver, which the latter is not complying with? Remember, Buetenis’s comments: this is the results that we did not expect.
July 18th, 2007 at 5:24 am
Its a great mistaken done by interim government arresting Sheikh Hasina
July 18th, 2007 at 6:07 am
[...] Voices: Drishtipat Blog questionsthe flaws in the case against Hasina: Was Hasina involved directly in it? The accusation seems to be purely [...]
July 18th, 2007 at 6:57 am
Instant Karma,
Don’t know where you’re from. But this little piece:
“Sadly, I trust that there exists no Bangladeshi sophisticated enough to invetigate Hasina’s case, or prosecute it. Maybe India or Pakistan should take over, as Bangladesh is nothing more than a failed experiment of children playing politics and war games.”
That invalidates pretty much any other point you made. We’re all Bangladeshis round here and we don’t need your sort of condescencion. “Ugly mugs” are subjective, but ugly words are visible to all.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:43 am
In a significant move to consolidate his (Moeen)position, three important changes in military took place on the day of Hasina’s arrests.
Major General MA Mubeen, currently holding the post of Commandant, Defense Staff College in Mirpur, has been transferred to Officer Commanding, 24 Infantry Div (largest infantry with 4 infantry and one artillery brigade) and Area Commnander of Chittagong. He takes up position on Saturday.
Chif of General Staff (CGS) Major General Iqbal Karim Bhuiyan moves to Mubeen’s place as Commandant, Staff College.
Major General Sina Inbe Jamil, now GOC 24 Div, has become new CGS.
July 18th, 2007 at 7:54 am
This is logical end to this conclusion. The more relevant part of the original thread is highlighted in the addafication thread below.
http://addafication.com/2007/07/17/meditations-and-thoughts-on-minus-ii-revisited/
July 18th, 2007 at 8:35 am
Negative Public perception against a national leader is enough to make him or her feel that the public don’t want his or her presence in the leadership fold of the country.what is the public perceptions about SK Hasina and Khaleda in Bangladesh? Its not at all good for them.Had they been aware of it or capable to understand it they would have voluntrily retired from the portfolio they are holding in their respective party leadership.So,they have virtually presented themselves to be thrown apart by both forces from within and outside their political parties. waiting for comments
July 18th, 2007 at 9:22 am
38#
MM Chowdhury-
“I think that you need to read your mind more than english when you disapproved any aurgument against Hasina or Joy like Hasina recieved 3 crore checks, Joy is doing well without working, Putul has very expensive houses etc. You tell everything is rumour about her. So please stop reading english, read your head when you discard others aurgument about Hasain”
Ans: Just look at your laguage . Is it not personlal attack? I again ask ,” Can you provide
here Cheqe number , Bank name and all?”
I have lots of diffrence of opinion with My best friend of the Blog LTT but he also mentioned
on his 57#
“As for Joy:
Some people are making reference that how he is staying in house or bought house and going to harvard etc etc. I would like to make a point here.
I don’t think it is a discredit for Joy (not that I subscribe to his political manipulation) to have a house or make money. In fact it is also a credit that he is going to Harvard. Anyone coming to US and doing a ok job should be able to buy house and take a vacation once in a while, in a luxury resort or go for a cruise. That should not be taken as a count against him. ”
Now see what ever LTT speaks he is trying to put logic so reaction comes more decent and I need to find logic also to reply him.
But some of you delivers some times so much fatal thing that automatic reaction is coming up
from opposite side.
In this very particular case I found Asif clearly mentioned about the importance of Due process on Tarek Zia and Thanks to Rumi Bhai who puts the link.
Now I have again mentioned I am not the follower of BNP and don’t want to be even. but now I feel I myslef need to be reformed
that we were only going after an Individual like Traek Zia . But We never destoryed the root
how The Traek Zias are born.
That’s why while Babar and Mannan Bhuyan are speaking about Party reform I can’t help laughing.
Guy like Barrister Mainul is asking about Political Honesty of Motia Chowdhury.
Is it reform? Basically this country has so much potentiality but because of some wrong policy we are just behind.
“Lankai Jei Jaai Shei Rabon.”
This rabons are very much selective and It is time to identify them.
Basically I felt we are in the ” Hirak Rajar Deshey.”
I am really waiting for this day when our
” Hirak Rajar Deshey” will be the original Bangladesh .
July 18th, 2007 at 9:50 am
Bangladesh revives ‘minus two’ plan to oust begums
By Helen Rowe
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007%5C07%5C18%5Cstory_18-7-2007_pg4_22
July 19th, 2007 at 6:34 pm
comments reopened as there are new developments in the details on the case.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:59 pm
Podcast: DGFI, Dirty Truths
Days back Sheikh Hasina, former prime minister and president of Awami League, openly started talking about DGFI, questioning their campaign against political parties in Bangladesh.
That probably made her the first politician in Bangladesh who dared talking about this taboo. And apparently that was the sin she committed that landed her in jail.
Sajeeb Wazed Joy , Bangladesh Awami League’s International Spokesperson and son of Sheikh Hasina, joins E-Bangladesh Consulting Editor Tasneem Khalil to share some ugly facts about a super-secret covert operation by one of the most fearsome intelligence agencies in South Asia, the DGFI, that is now the driving force of an undeclared martial law in Bangladesh.
Link to download:
http://e-bangladesh.org/topnews/podcast-dgfi-dirty-truths.html
July 19th, 2007 at 8:04 pm
[admin: fixed on the original comment, thanks !]
“Let us put down the chair”
“My request is to put down the chair and relax. Democracy is about having that chair in the heart, not on the head. Let justice take its own course. If Hasina is proven guilty, we shall break that chair. If she is innocent, we shall embellish it. This is her chance to earn respect as a leader. Admirers, lackeys and supporters of the world, don’t blow it!”
I thought this was a very relevant and insightful piece
http://thedailystar.net/2007/07/20/d70720020326.htm
Cheers
July 19th, 2007 at 9:33 pm
The Head of DGFI, promoted to Major General by AL, Tareq took charge of Security of Sheikh Hasina and is working in that capacity now.
What should we conclude!
July 19th, 2007 at 9:41 pm
Dear Admin,
My previous attempt to post the link seems to not work cuz one of the digit at the end was changed? So here goes again
“Now let us talk about double standard. This is about saying two conflicting things in the same breath. I am amazed how many people say that they want new reality, yet hesitate when time comes to reorganize the molecules of the world. W.B. Yeats wrote about the Irish Revolution in 1916, “All changed, changed utterly: A terrible beauty is born.” The double-standard mind loves to preach the beauty, but hates to practice the change.”
“That is a symptom of atavistic mind which lives in the coils of feudalism. In my lifetime I have seen one human being carrying a chair on his head and following his feudal master, who, surprisingly, was another human being.”
http://thedailystar.net/2007/07/20/d70720020326.htm
Cheers