Wed 13 Jun 2007
Earlier tonight I attended a talk by Dr Iftekhar Ahmed Chowdhury, the Foreign Adviser in the current government. The talk, titled ‘Evolving Challenges for Bangladesh in South Asia’, was held at the Australian National University, Dr Chowdhury’s alma mater. The audience included academics, Australian government officials and members of the local Bangladeshi community.
I’m going to narrate what he said at the talk first, finishing with some personal observation. As usual, looking forward to a lively discussion.
The Talk
Dr Chowdhury started with the history of Bengal and South Asia. He noted the 19th century Bengal renaissance and the rise of the ‘bhadralok’ class. He quoted JH Broomfield’s study of pre-partition Bengal, noting the intellectual accomplishments of the bhadralok from Tagore to Dr Yunus.
Then he stated that the current government is the result of today’s bhadralok class asserting its power. According to him, this bhadralok class is composed of professionals and academics, the large NGO sector, and an army that is thoroughly imbibed in the ‘UN values’.
Dr Chowdhury noted how Bangladesh has developed against the odds since liberation, and particularly in the 1990s, in most fields, with the exception of politics. He blamed both the last government and the opposition for the political impasse. He stated that the impasse was broken only when a fed-up bhadralok class stepped in to restore order.
He noted the government’s programmes, achievements and challenges — election reforms, anti-corruption drives, depoliticising the bureaucracy and judiciary, inflation. He unequivocally reiterated the government’s commitment to hold election before the end of 2008.
He did touch on the need for political reforms. He noted that the reason politics turned sour was because of the ‘winner takes all’ nature of the system. He accepted that unless ‘the cost of losing’ is reduced, there is every possibility that politics will revert to the old pattern. But he also noted that the government will not step beyond the bounds set by the constitution. His examples of ‘political understandings’ within the constitution were elected and strong local governments and a ‘national accord’ among the politicians.
He finished his talk with Bangladesh’s commitment to the SAARC and a South Asian identity.
The talk was followed by a series of questions. There were some perceptive and penetrating questions (one specifically asked about the army’s role, another about mixed and sometimes contradictory messages by some advisors). Other questions probably would have been better suited at the Paltan Maidan.
Dr Chowdhury reiterated that the bhadralok-backed government is committed to the ‘UN values’ and the army is very much subservient to the government. At the same time, he accepted that the events of 1/11 could not have happened without the active support of the army. He accepted that there have been human rights violations and lapses of due process, but he argued that the government is acting on good faith and is working towards rectifying mistakes. He stressed the government’s commitment to the constitution, noting that, and I quote directly, ‘even if constitutional proprieties are somewhat of a myth, it is vital that they are maintained, and we are absolutely committed to them’.
Observations
It has been a decade since I read Broomfield’s ‘Elite politics in a plural society’, so some reader can correct me if I’m wrong, but I think Broomfield’s thesis was that the predominantly Hindu bhadralok class of Calcutta was opposed to majoritarian democracy in pre-partition Bengal, and this opposition to majority rule was what led to Muslim separatism and partition. Whatever the intellectual accomplishments of individual bhadraloks were, the bhadralok class was portrayed as an anti-democratic force in that narrative. Was Dr Chowdhury aware of the irony in choosing the intellectual roots of his government?
Dr Chowdhury’s repeated stressing of the ‘UN values’ reminded me of AsifY’s piece.
The repeated mention of constitutional proprieties, even if ‘somewhat of a myth’, was also revealing. This indicates that the government is not considering, or at least publicly floating, any reforms that would require amending the constitution — no increase in the president’s power for example.
June 13th, 2007 at 11:13 am
Jyoti, thanks for the great overview of the talk. Good to see that our FM was forthright about what is happening.
Interestingly, I went to LSE to attend a talk by Cricketer turned politician Imran Khan. I will have a separate write up on it. Came away thoroughly impressed by his attitude of sticking it out in hard times. Also what was interesting (and this relates to your entry) was that he had to profusely appologise for his support of Musharraf in 1999. He admitted he was conned by his 7 point program and also he thought, like other bhodroloks in Pakistan, that Musharraf was the messiah. We all now see the result.
After the show, I told my friends that I hope we are not being conned as well in Bangladesh. More on this later. But its ironic that bhodroloks always had very little faith in people’s judgement.
The talk with Imran khan was relevant in a lot of ways and I copiously took notes for a write up. Will share soon.
June 13th, 2007 at 2:27 pm
“an army that is thoroughly imbibed in the ‘UN values’.”
That is not how Bdeshis I’ve talked to describe it. “Thoroughly” makes it a perverse statement, considering we’ve seen since (and prior to) the emergency.
June 13th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
Jyoti
This is in line with FM’s comments on the ABC report where he said that this Govt was backed by middle classes (read Bhadrolok which excludes any petty bourgeosie muffusil townspeople), military, bureaucracy etc. Missing was even the obligatory but meaningless reference to the people and the poor. This govt’s elite character was visible from day one.
The UN values is all hogwash. Less said the better.
Thanks for a very perceptive post.
June 13th, 2007 at 4:22 pm
Jyoti is very right to point out that the Bhadralok class was exclusionary, anti-democratic, and elitist. More importantly, their initial goal was to collaborate with colonial lords by getting a western education, practicing western etiquette and what they considered ‘modern’ values.
So FM’s comments make sense in multiple ways…
June 13th, 2007 at 5:20 pm
“any reforms that would require amending the constitution — no increase in the president’s power for example.” can not and should not happen without a legally elected sitting parliament, with 2/3 votes in favor of it. That is how our constitution is written. If requested, I will provide you with the article(s) of our constitution describing this.
Now, the CTG has no power, nor the ability to amend/ratify and/or bring about any change(s) in our constitution. The moment it attempts to do any such thing, it will be challenged in the Supreme Court. And I sincerely doubt that the CTG has much influence on the SC and its judges.
June 13th, 2007 at 5:51 pm
I meant to say “considering what we’ve seen since…”
We need to stop our laudation of the BD army/military as the laudanum for the predicament of BD.
Thanks.
June 13th, 2007 at 7:25 pm
This bhodrolok class in recent days in BD prefers the term Shushil shomaj, and possesses the same kind of pompousness that gave rise to Muslim League in 19th century. The Dhaka-ites Shushils of those days were jumping up and down for an inept title like Nawab from the British, and were all for distancing themselves from the “non-bhodrolok” class. Has this trend changed much?
These people sowed the seeds of “fundamentalism” to further separate themselves from the Hindus, and started the non-communal attitudes between muslims and non-muslims in the greater Bengal.
These days in BD this self titled shushil (aka bhodrolok) can’t stop talking about what is good, bad and necessary for the country, while they enjoy the life of luxury, . Yet, when it comes to making a shift in wind that benefits general public in most cases it’s the not-so-bhodrolok who takes control and establish their rights. Cases in point: Kansat, Phulbari, Khulna jute mills, Mirpur garment worker.
As for ‘elected’ and ‘strong local govt’ ….how many of those MPs won the election fair and square, and how many bought the party ticket with the highest bid, then used henchmen to win the election?
Iftekhar said that the army is very much subservient to the government. Well, this govt strategically placed former army chief and other army personnel as heads of the most influential governing bodies such as ACC and EC. So basically anti corruption drive and election process – both are under army control.
It is laughable that Iftekhar implied that govt will not step outside the boundary of the constitution, when the very existence of this government is outside the boundary of the constitution.
June 13th, 2007 at 9:52 pm
It is easy to criticise this government but very hard to come up with concrete proposals for reforms that can actually be carried out.
Is there anyone out there who seriously believes that a continuation of pre 1/11 politics was going to be better for the common citizens of BD.
June 13th, 2007 at 10:03 pm
But Zafa, perhaps you are forgetting that those of us who write in this blog are the bhodroloks and sushil samaj as well. Who are we kidding?
There are plenty of positives that has happened in the past 5 months. Election Commission is truly being reformed and made independent. Governence and accountability in the administration are being restored. If we are being dismissive like this, we are getting a bit carried away. Reza has said it well, that if we don’t like something, we need to come up and propose an alternative.
June 13th, 2007 at 11:08 pm
Asif-s, I’m not dismissing anything, just saying it as it is, without any pretence.
As me being a part of the Shushils – I never denied that. It’s my privilege (not right) to enjoy this life and to have the luxury to think and talk about the injustices and do something about it. If I had to worry about feeding my family I wouldn’t be sitting in front of the lap top now (on the flip side this blogging thing takes away lot of time, and creates enemies).
I have seen first hand many “shushils” coming forward and serving the poor and needy (within limitations). I appreciate every single deed – big or small – that’s steered towards good causes. Hopefully forthcoming generation of shushils will try to connect to the “rest of people” (the mass population outside the “shushil shomaj”) and promote measures that reduce the gap between ‘elites’ and ‘commoners’. The post-liberation war “shushils” were self serving.
June 13th, 2007 at 11:15 pm
Too much importance is being given to UN than it really deserves. UN is full of tired, old, retired bureaucrats who ultimately succumb to western pressures, after some initial whining and whimpering.
I find it difficult to believe that they would have a concerted and cohesive policy, executed by clever and conspiring officials on the ground.
Farhad
June 14th, 2007 at 12:00 am
The discussion is not about ‘criticism of the government.’ Too often we end up seeing discussions through that lens (sort of a pro or con thing) and that prevents us from doing analysis.
I think the more interesting discussion here is about understanding the underlying currents.
One implication of the bhadrolok (or shushil shomaj) thing is that the outcome will be done without representation (this can be good or bad, depending on your perspective), it will be led by an urban-based elite, and like a century ago, it might fuel anti-secular extremism, esp. because Jamaatis are pretty much free from the political purging. In the end, it might just strengthen their hands.
The other implication is foreign. To me it’s immaterial whether it’s UN values vs. western values (I don’t think there is a singular set of UN values anyway, and if there were, like universal notion of human rights, CTG is in a bit of a troubled spot). But the foreign policy of this bhadralok alliance will be very much pro-US. With regard to this, I expect no change from BNP’s general foreign policy direction.
This is where the mix will be different from Pakistan. Pro-US in foreign policy but pro-Jamaat in domestic policy. A possible outcome is that Jamaat will try to promote itself as mainstream, not Islamist, like the route that BJP took after Babri Mosque. With BNP and AL in shambles, a mainstreamized Jamaat, looking like bhadralok in some ways, will have a good opportunity to do well in elections. From that point on, the scenarios are anybody’s guess.
June 14th, 2007 at 12:01 am
Given that Dr. Iftekhar himself was an active member of the UN, I’d hardly call him “tired” or “retired” in the present situation. “Old” of course is a matter of perception. Nor does he need much pressuring by Western countries to adopt their views, given his education and background. But so far, I’m yet to see any major concessions to “Western” powers.
On a side-note: it’s pretty easy to label people “Western” and “Jamaat” (not that you’ve done so Forhad). From his “bhodrolok” analysis it’s pretty easy to see that he’s a non-Jamaat person (he wouldn’t have made the Tagore comparison otherwise). When Moeen made that “islam” comment in his speech, he was immediately suspected of being a “Jamaati”, not “Western”, when he’s probably as secular as you and me, and is imbibed with “UN values”. Not very relevant to the thread, just putting it out there.
June 14th, 2007 at 1:12 am
One great thing about posting from Australia is that if you post at night, by the time you read it again there’s already a number of great comments. Some additional thoughts.
1. The ‘bhadraloks’ Broomfield spoke of, and Iftikhar nods to, are Kolkata Babus, not Dhaka nawabs. No one with Jamaat (or any other form of Islam-pasand or Muslim nationalist) orientation would say that their intellectual roots are in 19th century Kolkata.
2. I find it heard to believe that someone as erudite as Dr Chowdhury wouldn’t know who Broomfield’s bhadraloks were. My personal opinion is that this is ‘a government of the elite, by the elite, and (the elite thinks it is) for the people.
3. In any comparison with Musharraf we should remember that he deliberately subverted an elected government and forced the coup. That Pakistani ‘bhadralok’ fell for his rhetoric (or still continue to fall for ‘it’s Musharraf or mullahs’ line) is unfortunate. But in Bangladesh the situation really was quite different. The army top brass, and the other ‘bhadroloks’, did not create the 1/10 deadlock.
4. On the local government point, we never had genuinely responsible elected local government. It will be a strong institutional development to have them.
5. Back to the point of Jamaat’s influence, if you follow Jamaat’s own analysis you’d know that they are ‘very disappointed’ with their failure to infiltrate the army in the past five years. The main reason for their failure, according to their own analysis, is the army’s internationalist-westernised orientation.
June 14th, 2007 at 1:23 am
We need bhadroloks. However, we would get bhadroloks like Nirad Chandra Chowdhury, famous for his encyclopaedic memory, who would work against people’s struggle as our War of Independence in 1971, if we continue to provoke our progeny to concentrate more on studies than anything else. We need bhadroloks who can laugh at their own self.
June 14th, 2007 at 5:55 am
Asif S #9
Are we not too much depending on Some Dream Merchants? Just have look on Pree 1/11 where
these five years were worst enough to
bring ourselves in this position. But I feel
our Sushil Shomaj is too much romantic about any sorts of transformations. I am Just echoing the voice of Zafa. See Sukanta Bhattacharjee found the full Moon as burning Bread. To me CTG is another burning bread.
Basically I don’t have Audacity to make myself as the so called Sushil Shomaj of Bangladesh . Because Eligibility criteria of Sushil Shomaj is too
high to be qualified. I am only worried Our Sushil Shomaj will lost their name very soon
rather to identify as so Called Honest Political Platform.
#ASIF Y 13
“it’s pretty easy to label people “Western” and “Jamaat” (not that you’ve done so Forhad).”
Yes Asif It is pretty easy to label . Because We believe Secularism and Jamat can’t walk hand in hand. The Jamat and The Western are not the enemy of each other. It is the complement of each other.
Basically I feel “To Identify Jamat is very important Now a days.”
My Feelings are the We Asian have so much Capital on the terms of level of Intellect and Resources. But We can’t utilize ourselves of even 10% of it. Because of this
Working Capital crisis. why can’t we even think about Global Asia as EC? Because we have Fund Crisis and we are called Third world and waiting while World Bank and IMF are giving Mercy on us. That’s why you will not See Proper Democratic Govt in Middle East in any more and we need to tolerate
people like Muzahid and Nizami and their followers.
Our Sushil Shomaj will only give the theory and this is the destiny of Bangladesh. One day they will go for golden handshake and will enjoy their retirement.
June 14th, 2007 at 8:04 am
Jyoti,
Congratulations for intiating this topic in this forum.
With reference to Dr.Iftekhar Ahmed Chowdhury’s comments on “Bhadrolok” and UN Values,I wish to post a humourous joke that I am reminded of and that will summarize the actual scenerio.Please read the following:-(No Dis-honour meant).
“Dr. Tore Tokka was seated next to Bojjat on the plane. Dr. Tore
Tokka turned to Bojjat and said, “Let’s talk. I’ve heard that
flights will go quicker if you strike up a conversation with your
fellow passenger.”
Bojjat, who had just opened his book, closed it slowly, and said to
the stranger, “What would you like to discuss?”
“Oh, I don’t know,” said Dr. Tore Tokka. “How about nuclear power?”
“OK,” said Bojjat. “That could be an interesting topic. But let me
ask you a question first. “A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat grass.
The same stuff. Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow
turns out a flat patty, and a horse produces clumps of dried grass.
Why do you suppose that is?”
“Jeez,” said Dr. Tore Tokka. “I have no idea.”
“Well, then,” said Bojjat, “How is it that you feel qualified to
discuss nuclear power when you don’t know shit?”
I think our ARMY is better off being inspired by “Moral Values” rather than UN Values
June 14th, 2007 at 9:20 am
Journey to Infinitive# 16,
On the one hand you say that “Because We believe Secularism and Jamat can’t walk hand in hand.” And the next sentence you say that “The Jamat and The Western are not the enemy of each other. It is the complement of each other”.
Exactly what you mean by secularism I’m not sure, but last time I checked there was universal agreement that Western powers are secular. Yet, they are also friends with Jamaat according to you. Either one of those two sentences has to be wrong.
So how this refutes my point is unclear to me. My point was to not get paranoid and smell a Western/Jamaat conspiracy everywhere. That is easy to do. There could easily be other forces at work.
Also, I really don’t see how the lack of “working capital” has led to a lack of democracy in places like India, Costa Rica, Turkey and other so-called third world countries. Nor do I see why that makes the rise of a Nizami or a Saidee inevitable. Please explain further.
Ahbab, your anti-education bias is astounding. I had no idea that Nirad C Chaudhri held the opinions he did simply because he was educated! I guess education must have similarly ruined Gandhi, Nehru and Jinnah, all staunch self-rule advocates.
Phantom, kudos on that last sentence. And thanks for making me laugh. I needed it.
June 14th, 2007 at 10:09 am
Asif Y I think you have misread me let me answer your question-
To me Secularism means not only the context of the religion . My definition of Secularism means the progressive society.
Western power does not mean that all the time they will be progressive and we see the roll of west during the days of Cold War. People like Nizami and Saidi I can compare with the Dark Force of Star Wars. As long as these people will be around us they will be always a obstacle for the progressive society.
Western people need these type of people. I am giving again the reference of my previous
post-
“Why is not western power not Vocal about the Democracy on the Gulf or middle east? Still we are watching Medieval system is running in there. so called Royal families are ruling decade by decade.
Just Imagine if there is democratic Govt in middle east the picture of whole asia could
be changed and Working Capital problem is solved for ever and Dream of Global Asia was always possible.
Because people like Nizami, Mujahid , Bal Thakde helping Western power to utilize our full working Capital. I hope you will understand My definition of Secularism is nothing but progressive Society.
Thanks
Tanoy Dutta
June 14th, 2007 at 4:08 pm
Tanoy bhai,
Yes I had slightly misunderstood what you were trying to say. Yes, agreed: Jamaat and progressive society does not go hand in hand.
My point was not to find a Western conspiracy everywhere, or to find a Jamaat conspiracy everywhere. I would make similar points if people were busy blaming the AL and BNP for everything that doesn’t seem right.
Once again, let me say that I don’t see the collusion between Jamaat and Western powers. It’s my understanding that the Saudis are Jamaat’s biggest backers. If that’s the connection, then I must say that the West is similarly implicated with a lot of its own enemies, including Iran and Muqtada al-Sadr.
I’m glad you brought up democracy in the middle east, but sad that you focussed on the unique case of Saudi Arabia, which produces almost 50% of the world’s oil. That says enough I hope:). Take Egypt or the Palestinian Authority where elections have led to Islam-pasand parties. The US reaction has been to mute its call for democracy in the region. Hardly collusion with Jamaat-like fundamentalists.
If anything, its this mentality of constantly sniffing out Islamist conspiracies that partly keep the autocracies in the Middle East and Pakistan running. Haven’t we heard that if Musharraf leaves, the mullahs will take over? In any case, I’m going off topic.
My original point was that almost anyone can be labelled “pro-Western” just like a man like Gen. Moeen can be labelled Jamaati based on ONE point in ONE speech. It seems if we can’t label a person with one, we choose the other. It becomes sort of meaningless. Even AL and BNP could be called pro-Western as Jalal points out that the current foreign policy won’t be too much different from BNP’s.
Lastly, and completely off topic, I admire your faith in democracy in the middle east. I don’t give that much credit to Arab public discourse at the moment to think that democracy will solve all their problems, or lead to some utopian Greater Asia (e.g most Arabs insist they are Arabs, not “Asians”). They will go through the same birth pangs with their democracies that we’re going through now. Some, like the Palestinians at the moment, just might not make it.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:17 pm
First, my sincere thanks to Jyoti for sharing this insightful write-up–a true gem. The comments have been equally enlightening and thought provoking. Takes me back a decade or so, to one of those rare occasions when we would have similar stimulating discussions in Usenet (now Google) group SCB.
Second, for this particular discussion, I would venture to draw a subtle but important distinction between the UN/WB/IMF elites currently calling the shots, from rest of the Bhodrolok group where most of us belong. If you permit me this distinction, then I am focusing my attention essentially on the elite of the elites, the cream of the CSP/BCS crop. I am doing so to separate the professionals, the academics, the politicians and the social and business entrepreneurs who would also be considered elite by the standard classification.
Third, my frustration with the elite of the elites is that I have found them to be mostly followers and not leaders. Their education and training allows them to manage well only under steady state conditions. They generally come up with brilliant analysis only after the fact when anomalies, good and bad, occur. They are generally risk averse but power hungry. A Korean analyst once told me that had their leaders listened to the WB-types, they would still be counting on planting rice to grow out of poverty. In our case, contrast the performance of our garments sector, where WB had limited role, with the jute, energy or the IT sector, where it had been a major driver.
Fourth, taking my past frustrations into account, I try but cannot gather sufficient confidence in the abilities of the current group of “managers” to separate them from my generalized observations and believe that they will be able to master the creativity, imagination, and entrepreneurship necessary to dig us out of the hole we find ourselves in at the moment. In addition to the political crisis, we have a looming power and inflation crisis at hand that continues to inflict heavy toll on the most economically and socially vulnerable, about which the CTG still hasn’t been able to come up with an effective response.
Fifth, I am not yet impressed by the political reform measures undertaken (Asif #9: sorry to disagree) because they have been in the books for a long time and that they are being carried out under an artificially created condition of stability. If the CTG claims to have broad public mandate, let them carry out the reforms after lifting the State of Emergency. That will demonstrate true leadership and lend assurance that these measures will stand the test of time. The ship looks stunning at the dry dock; without testing the waters, we will not know whether this will actually sink or float, let alone carry us to the land of promise.
Finally, I understand the legitimate concerns that have been voiced about folding the CTG too quickly and allowing politics as usual to return us to the same predicament we had found ourselves in last October. These arguments have striking parallels with the US troop withdrawal debates in Iraq. What I would like to advocate is developing a roadmap for democracy with open and transparent participation of all of our non-bhodrolok and other bhodrolok leaders left standing. The CTG can then take as much time as would seem sensible to implement the roadmap milestones while allowing rest of us the option to judge whether we are marching towards a common goal or just moving around in circles.
June 14th, 2007 at 6:11 pm
Two quick questions, appreciate any reply.
Jyoti - you say (#14) “if you follow Jamaat’s own analysis” - where would I find this analysis?
Ahbab Aziz - you say (#15) “Nirad Chandra Chowdhury … would work against people’s struggle [such] as our War of Independence in 1971″
Maybe I got your meaning wrong - was NC Chowdhury against creation of BD? Can you cite the source?
June 14th, 2007 at 11:43 pm
Talam,
Jamaat’s analysis/ideology/ programmes are publicly available. You can start with their website. In Bangladesh, you can get their books and magazines. You can also talk to the local Jamaat leaders - they are very willing to talk.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:04 am
Asif Y, I am more ‘astounded’ than you to find that you have failed to understand neither head nor tail of what I had blogged. I wrote against higher emphasis on education than anything else, not against education. How can I go against education when it can play a crucial role in turning the global knowledge economy into Goldilocks economy?
Talam, I read extensively on Nirad Choudhury’s anti-Bangladesh stance in the Desh periodical of West Bengal many years back. Sorry for not being able to give you any more reference.
June 15th, 2007 at 11:00 am
Slightly confused. What are “UN values” actually ? Can anyone define it for me ? Better still, can UN define it for themselves ?
Farhad
June 15th, 2007 at 12:11 pm
I have no idea what ‘UN values’ are, hence the use of quotation marks. I thought about asking Dr Chowdhury but didn’t get the chance.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:20 pm
Two issues are coming to my mind after reading the blog above, 1. “UN Values,” 2. “This indicates that the government is not considering, or at least publicly floating, any reforms that would require amending the constitution — no increase in the president’s power for example.”
Is #2 above the blogger’s own conclusion. What I don’t comprehend is how can we discuss constitutional amendment/s by the CTG? Our constitution clearly describes how amendments and/or ratifications can be brought into it. Is the writer of the above piece not clear about constitutional amendment(s)?
Secondly, we’re not a presidential system of govt. (unlike USA, France, etc.)empowering the president of BD today or even in the near/distance will accomplish what? Our president is merely a ceremonial post, who was thrust into this crisis in October, 2006. Is it not?
Understandably, the CA, Mr. F. Ahmed has to justify, clarify and validate the motives of the present CTG. Many govts. often have to do that. Even the US president, with all his might and power is required to clarify governmental policies, strategy, issues, etc. All these are routines for a head of the state.
I will appreciate if someone here will enlighten me on “UN values,” I have researched on it–alas, to no avail.
Any response and/or shedding some light, at least will be most welcome.
June 15th, 2007 at 3:06 pm
Thankyou for sharing your experience of the lecture. The good doctor appears very articulate, especially for a bangladeshi ‘foreign minister type’. He must be getting a battering and he has my sympathy.
His choice of ‘intellectual rooting’ might not be all that symbolic. speaking to westerners its sometimes necessary to use some of the academic constructions they have made in the past (because we are lame and making our own credible ones at the moment).
I see the emergence of the ‘bengali’ (parentheses because im not sure how much of an issue it was in brit occupied india) muslim middle class occuring around the partition of bengal and the first half of the last century. A bit of history we tend to cast as elitist and seperatist, if not invisible.
That was a time when we saw the early batch of uni graduates (not BBAs, Medics, Engineers and IT people) emerging and doing stuff. Calcutta was an important site of this awakening as was Dhaka, with their Muslim literary societies.
And no these folks may not have grown up out of paddy fields (one of the advantages being that they didnt operate for moneys sake like we seem to now).
Hindu and Muslim bengali social structures do share a lot of commonality, i havent read the said book… but since he mentioned it i’m interested.
Whatever the book says, im glad the bhodrolok word is out there. Bhodro to me is less about riches but manners, courtesy, dignity and respect. Suchil samaj smells of overseas financial and intellectual dependancy and lolipop solutions to deep problems in our country.
Attitude to the present leadership.
AK faezul huq expressed something similar in a recent dhaka courier article, he was chastising somerecent AL tactics. Suggesting that we shouldnt be confrontational and wind them up. We know military portion is clumsy at some things and human too. Id go even further and foolishly suggest that this is a mentally transformative time and a recommended stance would be unity, support and constructive advice wrt the govt. (they ARE listening, and they ARE reflexive).
UN values and Moral Values.
He was pushing the UN buttons, hes a diplomat. Back in the day rulers in our part of the world would commision giant scholars to write and develop the tomes of akhlaq. this tradition of developing and refining our norms has been neglected. Though there is a subject called civics in the Bangla sylabus.
I am conducting long interview research in Bangladesh at the mo and the ideas of choritro and akhlaq come up again and again. Every parent and then some. but they arent seeing it as a ’science’. yet.
June 15th, 2007 at 3:36 pm
Jyoti, you quoted the foreign advisor as saying the following:
I wonder if anyone questioned him on this interpretation of the events. This seems to be a rationalization of the events at best - I don’t recall the “fed-up bhadralok class” stepping in to restore order. I dont actually remember any “bhoadralok”s marching in the streets and wrestling power away from the caretaker government.
I clearly recall one caretaker government stubbornly claiming that the elections cannot be moved due to constitutional constraints handing over power to another caretaker government which interprets the constitution quite differently. So, although it may be neat to blame the political parties only for this morass, the caretaker government itself had a large and pivotal role to play in the events leading up to the army putsch of January 11th.
June 15th, 2007 at 5:11 pm
{admin: Could the last comment be deleted and this one put in it’s place? Sorry for the trouble)
Ahbab,
I’m sorry to say that I understood perfectly what you were trying to say. Your clarification confirmed it. Let’s just say I disagree wholeheartedly. I will say this though: bringing up Nirad CC was a particularly low blow. It’s like someone trying to prove that all Muslims are dangerous and bringing up bin Laden as an example. Yes NCC was a highly educated man. Yes, he opposed all self-determination movements in South Asia (talam, check out his book, “Autobiography of an Unknown Indian”. The dedication usually makes me throw up!). But that was hardly because he put “emphasis on education more than anything else”!
You make it sound like highly educated people have nothing to contribute to the common good simply because they are more educated than the rest: “what do these people with PhDs know anyway?” Some of them have been working to eradicate poverty for decades and have been more in touch with lower-income households than any of us writing here, but that doesn’t mean they are in touch with the reality out there? Right?
Fugstar,
I can understand financial dependency, but pray define intellectual dependency for me please? Aren’t we all intellectually dependent on each other in the end? Should we refuse to adopt ideas developed anywhere other than Bangladesh? One point of interest, I’ve never heard anyone outside Bangladesh talk against the adoption of the Grameen Bank model on the grounds that it makes them intellectually dependent on Bangladesh. I’m against one-size-fits-all policies anywhere, and feel that they should be tailored to fit our present situation. But charges of intellectual dependency are particularly misleading and lazy I feel, especially for the current generation of scholars.
June 15th, 2007 at 10:05 pm
Asif Y, I am more ’sorry’ than you to say that you have ‘perfectly’ misunderstood my point vis-a-vis emphasis on education.
Have I ever said that education makes one like Nirad Chaudhury or makes one selfish? What I tried to imply was that moral lesson should be given equal importance to education, otherwise we will get, what is called in Bangla, ‘gaanpapi’ like Nirad Babu.
June 16th, 2007 at 6:26 am
Shiblee (27),
The sentence ‘This indicates …. for example.’ is my observation.
There is a debate about whether the constitution needs to be amended to retrospectively legitimise the government actions taken since 1/11. In addition, ever since Gen Moeen’s ‘we need a democracy suited to our own genius’ speech back in March, there have been speculations about significant changes to the constitution.
I am very much aware of the process for constituional amendment. Reforms will only stick if post-emergency politicians accept them. A constitutional amendment is one way to ensure that politicians accept the reforms. From the Adviser’s speech, it seems to me that the government prefers options that don’t include constitutional amendment.
I should also explicitly mention it, lest there is any misunderstanding, I’m not expressing my opinion on constitutional amendments - I’m just noting that the government doesn’t seem to be interested in one.
Mash,
Since the ‘UN values’-imbued army is very much part of the bhadralok, presumably the putsch is what Dr C calls ‘the bhadralok stepping in’? No one actually asked the question directly. Two people delivered Paltan-style mini speeches that, among other things, included the idea of your question. The Adviser was much too good a debater/diplomat to dismiss those bhashons.
June 16th, 2007 at 5:28 pm
Jyoti (#32),
Why do you say “UN values’-imbued army is very much part of the bhadralok”? The shushils are characteristically non-army people, i.e., civilians. The current govt has been dubbed a combination of both (shushil+army). Historically the shushils never welcomed army intervention in governance. Another difference is that shushil shomaj is secular; whereas BD army’s stance on religion had always been strong (even Moeen hinted that in his speech).
The CTG that was in place from Oct 29 through Jan 10 bears a lot of responsibility for the political standstill before Jan 11. Why don’t people hold Iajuddin accountable for his actions and inactions? His blind allegiance to the past ruling party made matters much worse than they needed to be. He declared himself the CA disregarding the procedures laid out in the constitution and. Fine. As the CA and the President he had all the power he needed to instill the measures required for EC reform and voter list update. But he didn’t. While all these were happening, and people were dying on the streets….the shushils (especially the members of CPD et al) remained mum.
Some people claim that it was the news of him being replaced by BNP loyalist within army that made Moeen step up, and gather the other chiefs as allies and march to the Bongobhaban on Jan 11. Whatever happened, the current government is here to stay. It is very clear that their main agenda is removing or crippling the prominent political figures (some of who are extremely corrupt by their own alleged confession) that would lead to an election where the candidates would support all the actions taken by this govt and ratify them in Parliament. Meaning, nobody will be prosecuted for extra judicial killing, search without warrant etc.
I can understand that Iftekhar had to portray a good picture army backed govt and had to put UN somewhere in the equation (after all peace keeping mission has become a lifeline for the army), since he was there to pick up a check of $57 million from Australlia, but I don’t have to buy in to that.
June 16th, 2007 at 11:44 pm
ZaFa,
According to the Foreign Adviser, the ‘UN-values imbued army was part of the bhadralok’, so in his narrative of the event, army putsch is same as ‘bhadralok stepped in to restore order’.
I don’t necessarily buy into this narrative. That’s why this is in the ‘talk’ section of the write-up, not the ‘observation’ section. In the former, I’ve tried to stick to what the adviser said. In the latter I’ve given my opinion.
I agree with you about Iajuddin making things much worse than it needed to be.
June 17th, 2007 at 8:20 am
Zafa Apa,
Thanks a lot for highlighting on Iajuddin Ahmed’s contribution to the political imapsse before Jan 11. It was because of his extremely partisan stand, an election was not possible on Jan 22. Yes, it may be a plot of the previous BNP govt, but Mr. Iajuddin, as the president and chief of CG, could easily have defied all the pressure from BNP, if only he was honest and courageous. I think most of the people will agree that the previous CG had a much efficient repertoire of advisers compared to this one. Still Iajuddin’s shameful sycophancy and submission to KZ crippled the CG and the country.
In my opinion, shushil shomaj is not a homogenous entity. Take a look at the diverse composition of it. At one end, we have Dr. Debopriyo Bhattacharya , Prof Rehman Sobhan (or even Dr Kamal) who are usually thought to be inclined towards secularist politics. On the other end, you’ll find Shah Abdul Hannan who has strong link with Jamaati politics. Look at the govt itself, people like Anwarul Iqbal has the reputation of being honest while Barrister Mainul has a long record of shady political and economical deals. Look at the supporters, you have honest persons like Md. Zafar Iqbal and dishonest persons like Dr. Ataur Rahman (who was recently punished for his alleged involvement in the 52-first-class-scam in the DU political science dept.)
Different sections of this Sushil Shomaj has supported the govt for different reasons. Similarly different sections can withdraw their support for different reasons. I don’t think it’d be easy for the govt to manage the vast spectrum of sushil support for a long time.
June 17th, 2007 at 11:43 pm
I think the civil society will continue to support the present govt. as long as the Army is united on its present agenda, as it is the failure, of the civil society, that has made the Army the de facto ruler.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:11 am
Zafa #32 - “It is very clear that [army's] main agenda is removing or crippling the prominent political figures (some of who are extremely corrupt by their own alleged confession)…”
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I dont see anything that is “very clear” at all, that this CTG is anything like Musharraf or Ziaul Huq of Pak, or even Ershad.
Within 5 months our CTG has made the judiciary separate, put crimelord ministers in jail, created a powerful ACC, have updated taxes, streamlined banks, ports, colleges and taxes - nothing like any other military backed govt has ever done.
Of course their agenda is removing or crippling the prominent corrupt-to-the-bone political figures - of course we need to clean up entire crime-infested politics. Would we prefer instead to keep those mafioso party thieves on the govt payroll, while the nation literally mudslides to destruction?
So besides Belling the Cat proverbially, and reforming political systems - I dont see what makes it “very clear” that these army/CTG has any other agenda other than bringing the Parliament itself back into order !!
Should we (inaccurately) compare them to Musharraf just because they are army?
Why be so cynical against the army/CTG by accusing their guilt by example (of Musharraf?), instead of overthrowing failed politicians who are outright criminal with guilt by self-confession?
Is a civilian govt so important to us that we are even willing to forgive and continue to endure their TOTAL corruption, against a clean-up drive supported by the army (just because it is the army)?
June 18th, 2007 at 1:05 pm
Within 5 months our CTG has made the judiciary separate, put crimelord ministers in jail, created a powerful ACC, have updated taxes, streamlined banks, ports, colleges and taxes - nothing like any other military backed govt has ever done.
And if memory serves, nothing like any “democratically” elected government has ever done either.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:58 pm
KGazi (#37),
Referring to “a clear agenda” of the current govt: this assertion actually came from the advisers (Matin, Mainul et al) themselves and then became evident by their actions in the last five months.
This govt is doing various things that others did not do (but should have done) in the last 35 years. There is no argument against the capturing of corrupt individuals, but the way it is being carried out is leaving way too many holes – lacking credibility. Some of the crime-lords allegedly confessed to extorting hundreds of crores take. Why then these “crime-lords” are not being charged of these crimes, instead of something vague like “failing to submit the correct amount of their assets”? Why are people like Arafat Rahman, who reportedly is just as much guilty as Tareque for extortion are still outside jail? [Probably because he has no political aspiration]. Then there was this plan of sending certain political figures to exile that they thought they could get away with. There is still a ban in place for political gathering – yet the party about to be floated (with the army’s support) is having their meetings attended by former MPs. There are too many instances of discrepancy and inconsistency.
Some of their decisions despite their good intentions are ill planned – which in turn is causing more harm than good. One example is their curb on wholesale. Read the following relevant letter sent to DS editor by one Dhaka resident. http://www.thedailystar.ws/2007/06/13/d706131102106.htm
I have no clue why you are asking me to not compare this government with Musharraf’s or Ershad’s, since I did not make any such comparison.
Going back to the subject of the thread: some of the points Iftekhar mentioned in his speech are arguable – and that’s how the discussion digressed to other issues. The argument is not about army vs democratic govt (as far as I’m concerned).
It is very important for this government to do things in a way that does not lack the accountability.
June 18th, 2007 at 7:12 pm
Apologize for topic off-track, but need to clarify the CTG control predicament.
Because our politicians themselves were directly involved in every criminal racket, they not-only intentionally mis-controlled national systems from advancement, but also protected the criminals by devious rules, to save themselves from being caught or get prosecuted in the racket.
The result had been a system where the whole nation was geared towards exploitation, designed to benefit the criminals and their crime-lord politicians. That includes food distribution, and the CTG drive to control wholesalers’ inventory is to prevent hoarding (price gouging by supply control), which was also a major politicians’ racket.
The CTG while trying to clean-up crime and corruption must be NOW facing national policies and systems, created by our politicians, that protect the criminals in every sector, pricing, distribution, (black money) and even prosecution of the corrupt. Example, bureaucrats had established a law that they could not be fired for any reason, including corruption - like an immunity against punishment.
A prominent Minister made this comment last year “yes my ministry is corrupt, but if everyone in my Department is corrupt, then how do I control corruption, can I fire EVERYONE? How will the nation run if I fire everyone in my ministry?!”
So most of these “inconsistencies” in CTG actions that you are stating are consequential obstructions placed by our politicians, over decades! The CTG are opening huge can-of-worms (mostly attached to horrendous criminal rackets) while trying to stabilize prices, laws and reforms. I am not prepared to blame the army for inconsistencies in this drive.
June 21st, 2007 at 4:21 pm
#30
not lazy and misleading.
Just needs to be said, thats all, lest we forget the gap in power and knowledge production in different parts of the planet http://www.multiworld.org
June 21st, 2007 at 8:32 pm
Going back to some of the earlier posts, I think the term civil society/sushil shomaj is being applied too loosely, which has confounded parts of our discourse.
A democratic system of governance could be viewed as separated into four layers: ideology, institutions, civil society and culture. The ideology is embedded into the national constitution; public, private and non-market organizations are built on the basis of the constitution; civil society organizations come in to fill in the gaps between the constitution and institution, and between institutions. What we are left with then is the layer of culture defined by the shared norms and values emanating from history, ethnicity, language, religion, etc.
So Bhadroloks are a part of the civil society but not the civil society. When talking about the Sushils we tend to focus only on the elites, forgetting that the non-elites are an integral part of it as well.
September 12th, 2007 at 3:45 pm
To all asking for a literal interpretation of “UN” values - they are, broadly speaking, pluralism, multiculturalism, a belief in the sovereign equality of states, conflict prevention, settlement of disputes by non-violent means, tolerance. If you are asking for when it has achieved all of these, I would ask when any organization or country has fulfilled or stood true to all its values. I hear many criticisms of tired old men at the UN but I have yet to hear a credible alternative - having witnessed its work in the field I would like to see who can propose an equal if not more effective organization in postconflict situations. It may not be perfect, but it is there and it depends on the political will of member states.
I am also interested in hearing credible proposals for alternatives to the CTG - it is so easy to criticise from a laptop but I don’t see people clamoring to join the civil service, foreign service or public services to achieve the utopia discussed here. It’s interesting that there are problems recruiting for public services and yet everyone seems an armchair politician or government servant here. Please, this is no disrespect to anyone and I think this has been a scintillating blog - more than anything, it is refreshing to see the analytical discussions this situation has triggered!! Thanks for a series of insightful comments and forgive any seeming rudeness in my critique!!
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