Thu 7 Jun 2007
ABC TV reports of UN accusations against Bangladesh government of human rights abuse. The death of Chalesh Richil keeps haunting the government. This again goes to show in this age of communication, there is no alternative to transparency.
A lot of you will be very angry seeing this report and some of you may feel vindicated. But to its credit, the reporter interviews all sides in the story. However, it ties in the increase of foreign aid to Bangladesh with this report to show that the increase is unjustified given the human rights record which is quite unfair given that it did not highlight any of the positives of the last 5 months and also it fails to mention anything about the background under which the CTG took over power. Neither it mentions the human rights record of the previous governments.
You can watch the full video here.
Fair coverage, Unfair coverage? Your thoughts? Either way, along with giving your comment here, also let ABC know your comments via this page
If you have slow internet connection, you can read the transcript below. (Hat Tip bdfact)
Transcript
KERRY O’BRIEN: Bangladesh is one of the youngest countries on earth and also one of the poorest, a poverty exacerbated by more than three decades of political instability.
That instability took a more sinister turn at the beginning of the year when the military took control, aborting elections and imposing emergency rule.
Now the United Nations has accused the country’s armed forces of using murder as a means of law enforcement.
And human rights activists have painted a picture of people disappearing by the tens of thousands, and of soldiers engaged in mass arrests, illegal detention, torture and murder.
The horrific revelations come as the Foreign Minister Alexander Downer prepares next week to unveil, reveal a one-third increase in foreign aid to Bangladesh.
The ABC’s South Asia Correspondent Peter Lloyd filed this report from the Bangladesh capital, Dhaka. And a warning that some of the following images are disturbing.
PETER LLOYD: Since January, soldiers have been calling the shots in Bangladesh. Troops took to the streets after democracy was suspended and the military imposed draconian emergency ruled.
Now, media restrictions are tight, openly filming soldiers is bad. The army said it took control to clean up a culture of corruption in politics. Dozens of prominent people have been rounded up.
But the ABC has discovered evidence of something far more sinister behind the scenes.
Human rights groups here contend that as many as 200,000 people have been rounded up by the military since the crackdown began. The size of a small city. Now there’s no way to fully account for their whereabouts but the belief is that most of them are still in military custody.
Some have emerged with shocking accounts of abuse, torture and murder.
PROTAP JAMBIL, VICTIM (translated): They tied my two hands and feet and eight or nine of them caned me.
PETER LLOYD: Soldiers picked up Protap Jambil on the way home from a wedding. These pictures he says, are evidence of a beating that lasted more than four hours.
PROTAP JAMBIL: I was in tremendous pain, I couldn’t move, I couldn’t walk, I need four people to carry me.
PETER LLOYD: He showed me how he was forced to lie while up to eight soldiers took turns beating him with bamboo rods.
PROTAP JAMBIL: I really did not have any thoughts in my head. I kept paying to God and his son Jesus, I thought that I would die, that’s what I thought.
PETER LLOYD: Mr Jambil wasn’t alone. His brother-in-law was also arrested and tortured but Cholesh Ritchel (phonetic) did not survive.
PROTAP JAMBIL: At first they tied both of Cholesh’s hands and feet then they tortured soles of feet and all over his body. They unzipped his pants and attached pliers to his penis and to all of his fingers and toes. They put candle wax on the wounds and then they put hot water mixed with dried chilly and salt and poured it all over his body and through his nose and ears.
PETER LLOYD: Attempts by human rights groups to document abuse cases have been met with threats and intimidation. But some refuse to be silenced.
FARHAD MAZHAR, HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVIST: People have been picked up without any kind of evidence and then they’ve been tortured.
PETER LLOYD: Farhad Mazhar is from a human rights group called Odhikar. The organisation says the security forces have killed at least 100 people since January at a rate of almost one per day. Those who do emerge from military custody tell a disturbingly similar story.
FARHAD MAZHAR: People complain that their nails have been taken out. They’ve been tortured very badly.
PETER LLOYD: Military run interrogation centres operate all over the country. Some are brazenly open. This is Fatullah stadium on the outskirts of Dhaka.
A year ago Australia played a Test match against Bangladesh here. Today it’s military occupied. We filmed early in the morning and for only a few minutes to avoid being detected.
One witness who was too fearful to appear on camera has described to me how he heard torture victims screaming in agony during a local cricket match. Later in the same day a senior army officer boasted openly that suspects were far more talkative after they had been electrocuted, beaten and subjected to water torture.
General Moeen Ahmed is the head of the Bangladesh armed forces. The man behind emergency rule. The general refused to grant an interview to the ABC, so we turned up unannounced.
Will you take action on the allegation of human rights abuses by the soldiers?
MOEEN AHMED, GENERAL, ARMY CHIEF: Already it has been undertaken and all measures will be, nobody is above the law in this country. So if anybody makes a mistake he will be taken to task.
PETER LLOYD: Have you ordered them to stop torturing and murdering suspects?
MOEEN AHMED: It is already not there. It’s not there. There are no such things that are going on now. Not at all.
PETER LLOYD: There are at least 100 cases according to human rights groups of murders since you took power?
MOEEN AHMED: No, no, no, this is not correct. You have to find out the figures. Anybody can say anything, but go and look in the ground and see what is the truth.
PETER LLOYD: To provide cover from allegations that he carried out a coup, General Moeen Ahmed hand-picked a civilian caretaker government to run Bangladesh.
Who runs the Government? Is it the civilians or the soldiers?
MOEEN AHMED: No, no, it’s absolutely a civilian government, supported by as I said, the middle classes, the soldiers, the police.
PETER LLOYD: Iftikhar Chowdhury is the army approved Foreign Minister.
IFTIKHAR CHOWDHURY, FOREIGN MINISTER: The army plays a role given it by the Government, absolutely. There is no…
PETER LLOYD: So they’re doing your dirty work for you?
IFTIKHAR CHOWDHURY: No, it’s not a dirty work. Army is taking certain actions in terms of the anti corruption drive which has full support of the community.
PETER LLOYD: There are by all accounts as many as 200,000 people who’ve been arrested. How could that credibly be occurring under due process?
IFTIKHAR CHOWDHURY: The arrests are made under some allegations of breach of law. Due process begins with the effecting of the arrest when people are, those arrested are brought before magistrates, as is always the case here.
PETER LLOYD: The United Nations sees it differently. It recently accused the Bangladesh armed forces of using murder as a means of law enforcement.
IFTIKHAR CHOWDHURY: Bangladesh has done better than most countries of the world in these respects. So I can tell you this and we’re proud of our record.
PETER LLOYD: You’re proud of your human rights record?
LFTIKHAR CHOWDHURY: In human rights Bangladesh is better than many, many, many, countries.
PETER LLOYD: Name one. Zimbabwe?
IFTIKHAR CHOWDHURY: No, I’m not going to name any. It is not for me to name foreign countries or finger point.
PETER LLOYD: In January, Bangladesh was on a knife edge as political rivalries were being played out in violent street clashes, western diplomats were shuttling around the capital trying to mediate.
Just before the army hit the streets the British and American ambassadors each held private meetings with the military chief. Some suspect General Moeen was given a green light to take over.
NURUL KABIR, NEWSPAPER EDITOR: That’s an interference with the, an ambassador, official speaking isn’t supposed to do all these things. I don’t believe that my ambassador in Washington can even think of entering into the headquarters to discuss politics.
PETER LLOYD: Nurul Kabir is an influential newspaper editor. He says a clique of western diplomats known as the Tuesday Club interfered in his country’s internal affairs.
The Tuesday Club is an informal caucus of the big donor nations that meets every week. Its core members are ambassadors from the United States, Britain, Japan, Canada, the EU and Australia. Kabir says the Tuesday club not only courted military intervention but campaigned for civilian politicians to accept it back in January.
Now none of the diplomats will agree to talk about it.
NURUL KABIR: We feel we as a citizen, I feel embarrassed and I’m sure that people of the country that they have sent here would have been embarrassed, too, to see how their High Commissioners and ambassadors in Dhaka is meddling themselves in politics.
PETER LLOYD: You say meddling?
NURUL KABIR: Yes, meddling.
PETER LLOYD: Australia’s High Commissioner, Douglas Foskett refused to be interviewed for this story, but he remains an open backer of the Government despite the military’s behaviour.
(reading a press release from Douglas Foskett): We are happy that all is looking positive for the future, he said.
Such is Australia’s apparent faith in the current state of affairs in Bangladesh, the Federal Government is preparing to increase foreign aid from $43 million to around $57 million, a 33 per cent increase.
Iftikhar Chowdhury will visit Canberra next week to collect the cheque. It’s unclear what, if any conditions are attached.
Has the Australian High Commissioner, Doug Foskett, has he specifically raised with you any human rights concerns?
IFTIKHAR CHOWDHURY: Douglas Foskett has been a tremendous ambassador. He’s a very good High Commissioner. We have always talked about common interests.
PETER LLOYD: Does it include human rights?
IFTIKHAR CHOWDHURY: Ambassadors are not, know that there is sometimes a fine line between interest and interference. They don’t, they understand this very well. This country is as you like, we would like to be as we say we are, in charge of our own destiny, in the driver’s seat of our programs, plans. Australians understand and appreciate that very much.
PETER LLOYD: General Moeen insists democracy will return to Bangladesh with fresh elections by the end of next year. But he recently raised eyebrows by promoting himself to Full General. Many wonder how long civilians will remain in the picture.
Generals in Bangladesh have a notorious history of thirsting for absolute power.
KERRY O’BRIEN: In a statement tonight, the Parliamentary Secretary for Foreign Affairs, Greg Hunt, said Australia’s aid to Bangladesh had been increased in line with its status as one of the poorest countries in the world. Mr Hunt pointed out that Australian aid does not go directly to the Bangladeshi regime, but to reputable organisations like UNICEF and the World Food Program.
Peter Lloyd with that report from Dhaka.
June 7th, 2007 at 5:28 pm
i guess i broke the story here in previous thread un sponsored coup. what happened to that?
June 7th, 2007 at 5:39 pm
Thanks. Really disturbing video. I’m working on an assumption now: supporters of military are more harmful than the military itself in promoting democracy (not pre 1/11). These pseudo-democratic elements have provided legitimacy to military rulers previously.And now they are doing the same thing. They will soon change color and will try to reposition themselves. Its time now to be careful about these elements at all levels.
June 7th, 2007 at 6:01 pm
UN and Human rights and other human rights org are nothing but just a joke.
In this world human rights are only for the people who have connections and contacts to pull the strings together.
Tell them to do a report for Iraq where thousands are getting killed every day. Tell them go to Daifur.
Now the increase of aid is really not taking a positive turn for the corrupt leaders and looters of the country for last 36 years as those bastards won’t get the pie this time right.
So, for just few leaders rights, its ok to make a suffering of the people of 150 million people.
That what it says that human rights are violated and how come there is a increase in foreign aid(which I am against foreign aid,at this time it may be needed) of 33 percent from Australia.
Isn’t this a treason? If hypothatically I would say that more aid is better for the country of 150 million people and here people working against it by taking shelter of the human rights issues.
Its like now as their lobby are fruitful in USA not they are holding hands for Australian media and lobby group. Don’t worry brother there is biggest lobbyst sitting above us and above everyone and that is the creator or the god. He will make everybody reap as they sow.
Thanks
Kawser Jamal
http://www.changeBangladesh.com
To me human rights are only entitled to human not to the animals, and most of the looters and corrupt person of Bangladesh who are behind the bars are mostly animals, not human. We are not alien to our country and its birth and its 36 years of age, may be Peter Lloyd is.
June 7th, 2007 at 7:15 pm
Asif Bhai,
This sort of reporting really is unfair: as you pointed out, human rights abuses have been going on for quite a while now. And Bangladesh is by no means the worst offender world wide. This is typical of knee-jerk Western liberals, a few of whom we’ve heard from over at the Mohiuddin story.
I’m beginning to think it was a mistake linking to the WSJ article in my entry. Really, my concerns have little to do with the story itself and everything to do with the U.N.’s right to influence (not speak about) our internal affairs.
June 7th, 2007 at 8:25 pm
Did I read it right? Over 200,000 arrests without due process? Over 100 deaths in hands of the Army? Brazenly open interrogation center at Fatullah Stadium?
Acknowledging that there have been incidents where the Army most probably did violate HR to the extent of being involved in killing by torture ( Mr. Cholesh & others), living in Dhaka I am disgusted that Peter Lloyd under the vail of championing HR has exaggerated facts & figures to make his story interesting.
As a citizen of a poor yet free and sovereign country, it is my Human Right to be treated with equal respect shown to citizens of any developed country. Peter Lloyd as a human being (if I can force myself to call him one), for his personal glory, with this report have abused my HR. He has concocted data and twisted/ suppressed facts to destroy the most important thing that Bangladesh citizens have regained in the past five years- our self respect. Also people like Farhad Mazhar and the person afraid to show face in front of the camera gives new meaning to the word “Razakar”. This new breed will tell any lies and sell their country for a torn five taka note to be patronized by a the foreign press.
Disclaimer: The comments about Peter Lloyd and Farhad Mazhar are my personal and I don,t claim that they are endorsed by DP. Having said so, I stand by my opinion about this two persons).
Cheers
June 7th, 2007 at 9:08 pm
“human rights abuses have been going on for quite a while now. And Bangladesh is by no means the worst offender world wide.”
I’m not sure how either of those two really matter. Or can be used to condone any HR violations in BD. And if “it’s been going on for a while now” is the justification for this administration’s transgressions, then why do we need this administration in the first place? AL or BNP could have continued with their business as usual policies.
I’m all for the aid increase, but let’s not get all hot and bothered and call this criticism treason. Also loved how Peter Lloyd just stuck the microphone into the army chief’s face. And how our newly-minted general squirmed and shifted in front of a camera.
Iftekhar Chowdhury tried his best, I suppose, but the army really needs a better spin-doctor than him.
June 7th, 2007 at 9:54 pm
KJ (#2),
I’m disappointed to see that you just don’t get what rights are all about. Just some basics:
(1) A criminal is not an animal. They thought Chalesh was a criminal and tortured him assuming he was worse than an animal. They said the same things about Negroes and Yellows and Redskins… they’re animals. Pakistani army said the same things about “Bangali Kuttar Bachchas”. So be careful.
(2) Comments like “UN and Human rights and other human rights org are nothing but just a joke” show zero knowledge about the tremendous good that has been done to the world through large scale human rights awareness programs and campaigns in the last 50 years. Even countries like the US has been forced to scale down on things like secret prisons (where they keep terrorists, worst than animals, etc.) because of Amnesty/HRW. Organizations like these do genuinely good work and citizens of Bangladesh get some protection from abuse of power because of them.
It is one thing to negate the ABC report or things like that saying that they did not show a fair picture or the full side etc. I also agree with Tacit (#5) that Bangladesh is def. not the worst offender by any means.
But instead of pointing these out, to simply negate human rights itself is plainly stupid. If you get into trouble, whether intentional or unintentional, you’ll be crawling quickly back to the shelter that human rights provides.
June 7th, 2007 at 10:03 pm
I’m not condoning or justifying HR violations. I am criticising the media spin that focusses on HR violations as being the sole province of the military-backed CTG. If they had mentioned how a culture of human rights abuse has taken hold of Bangladesh, and how neither democracy or autocracy has been able to improve this culture, that would have been constructive. Otherwise, it’s just more media sensationalism and tsk-tsking at the “poor third-worlders”.
June 7th, 2007 at 10:38 pm
I don’t think the video actually says anywhere that HR violations are the sole province of the current MB-CTG. It’s true, that people may come away with that impression, but it’s not actively reinforced anywhere in the video.
I think what the video can be accused of is not providing enough context for the current MB-CTG.
June 7th, 2007 at 11:24 pm
bdfact, your tip has been acknowledged in the original entry if you see. Thank you for sharing news with us. Much appreciated.
June 7th, 2007 at 11:38 pm
Downer defends aid increase to Bangladesh
Foreign Minister Alexander Downer has defended Australia’s aid program to Bangladesh amid growing international concern about human rights abuses there.
An investigation by the ABC has uncovered evidence linking the country’s military-backed government with mass arrests, torture and at least a hundred murders since January.
The Federal Government is planning to increase aid to Bangladesh by about a third.
Mr Downer says the money does not go to the Bangladeshi government.
“No matter what the political behaviour of the political elites might be, and in this case they have a caretaker Government which says it’s reformist which promises to restore democracy and we await that happening, I think it’s so wrong to take necessary assistance from the poorest people in society,” he said.
“We shouldn’t ever consider doing that.
“If I’m criticised for helping the poor, I don’t mind that.
“There are 60 million people living in Bangladesh in abject poverty and I think we’re doing the right thing to help those people and I would think most Australians would agree with me.”
June 7th, 2007 at 11:49 pm
I put together this page back in 2004.
http://www.drishtipat.org/HRLaw/arrest.htm
Carefully see the side links which actually refers to actual events of arrests without warrents.
Those were from 2004 and yes they were done under democratic government.
June 7th, 2007 at 11:59 pm
Part of the story was rerun at ABC’s later bulletin, where ‘Gen Moeen’s tacit acknowledgement of the abuses’ were noted.
Unlike the Wall Street Journal or some other western media outlets, ABC cannot be accused of having (a real or perceived) agenda to kowtow to big powers and big business. Like the BBC, it is a tax-payer owned autonomous body. Australia is a small country with little influence in the global scheme of things. A$57million (300 crore taka) is not a large sum of money - Australia has a budget surplus of over A$10billion. So the journalist probably reported in good faith what he saw (or thought he saw).
This is how a run-of-the-mill western audience sees Bangladesh. And that should worry us, a lot.
I’ll be attending a lecture by Dr Chwodhury next week, and will let you all know what he says.
June 8th, 2007 at 2:16 am
Factual distortion:
“General Moin hand picked a civilian caretaker government”
How the current caretaker government came into being is still unclear to most Bangladeshis but the reporter reports that General Moin formed it himself as fact.
This statement by itself is enough to discredit the reporter.
It is common knowledge that Bangladeshi police and army, torture people who are in custory but this is not unique to the current interim government and is not news to most of us. Torture has been used by the law enforcement agencies under every government.
I hope we have not forgotten about operation “clean heart” which was carried out during a democratically elected government. After the drive ended the elected parliament passed the Joint Drive Indemnity Bill, 2003, giving immunity to the security personnel who were involved in the drive.
The report gives the impression that the human rights violation started under the current interim government.
Overall it is not a balanced report (IMO).
June 8th, 2007 at 3:45 am
I’m amazed by the ABC reporting. This shows the quality of their journalism.
I guess, this is ” JUGANTOR” and “DOINIK JONOKONTHO” — Australian style.
After closely following lot of bloggers in DP, perhaps, if I am not mistaken, the tone,intensity and bias of this reporting seems comparable to lot of the “shusheels” I read.
June 8th, 2007 at 3:46 am
Asif Can you give me the URL please of this Video. I think Traffic is too high on this
Particular Video . So need to see If I can download or not.
June 8th, 2007 at 4:59 am
1. My Reaction to the report:
I do not have to reiterate to the readers how strongly I oppose the way the current Care Taker Government grabbed power and how it handles different political and rights issues.
And despite my public opposition, I am apalled at the arrogance in the tone of ABC reporter. This is how you talk to a minister or the most powerful man in the country?
I find silly attempts of sensationalizing the story in Afghan style. In the clips in Fatullah stadium when the narrator says, ‘even until last year cricket used to be played in ths ground.’… This is a pure imitation of CNN reports on Taliban where the football ground was turned into a public execution site.
I also find it humiliating and very very desrespectful on how this reporter inturrupted the Army Chief Gen Moeen on his way to a program after being refused interview request. Can they do it with any leader in Australia? Let alone John Howard or Tony Blair or George Bush.
Noticeable is that at the same location where he interviewed Gen Moeen, this reporter failed to interview their own high Commissioner.
Even despite the interruption I see Gen Moeen trying to respond with utmost sincerety and nicety. Same can be told about Mr Iftekhar Chowdhury also.
I am however amazed at the courage of Farhad Mazhar and Pratap Jambil.
2: The Agenda:
If I say that this reporter had a preset agenda and he came to Dhaka to make a report on the agenda, I probably would not be too wrong. And this is not the first time we are watching an agenda based report out of BD.
Also many a times I saw how an extreme partsian political view of a stringer help make a very biased report.
3. Long Term harm of this smear campaign:
I have expressed it before and let me repeat it, for their own petty political interest, a very influencial bunch with good connection with some western media are busy using the wetern media to trash Bangladesh. I have seen a lot of it during last five years.
BY saying this I don’t say that this specific reporter was bribed. But I feel they were influenced into believeing what they reported as the perfect picture. And this influence may have been from the editors or even thinktanks, rights groups who are vulnerable to be tainted by lobbyists.
We have to remember while this kind of act may serve in the short term , in the long term it may come back to haunt us.
e.g. See the Mohiuddin case. The most important point Mohiuddin supporters are pointing to now in holding his deportation is the faulty and corrupt judiciary in Bangladesh. And they are having a very easy time selling this point as the international community has been adequately primed by the kind of agenda based journalism that we saw repeatedly over the last five years.
I feel this governmnet may need to find the groups behind this campaign and engage them in a serious conversation. Otherwise, in the western media circle, things will get uglier.
June 8th, 2007 at 5:50 am
Rumi Bhai,
Things are already very ugly.
As I noted, ABC is a tax-payer funded network of a small and rather insignifcant country. ABC is no Fox News or Wall Street Journal, and Australia is not USA.
The sad reality is, this is the image Bangladesh has at the moment. Very distressing indeed.
June 8th, 2007 at 6:10 am
Farhad Mazhar’s inclusion in the piece was very interesting. I don’t share his post-Marxist world view. But I have to say, he never came across as a partisan hack or ‘out of touch Shusheel’.
June 8th, 2007 at 8:23 am
“It is common knowledge that Bangladeshi police and army, torture people who are in custory but this is not unique to the current interim government and is not news to most of us.”
Actually, believe it or not, that is not common knowledge internationally, which just makes the report even more newsworthy.
“I alos find it humiliating and very very desrespectful on how this reporter inturrupted the Army Chief Gen Moeen on his way to a program after being refused interview request. Can they do it with any leader in Australia? Let alone John Howard or Tony Blair or George Bush.”
I don’t know about Blair or Bush, but it is common practice to interrupt John Howard and all of our politicians when in public and ask them questions. This is the nature of a free media in a democracy. Humiliating and disrespectful? So should the reporter just no seek his comment just to respect his wishes? When the report is on such a serious topic as murder and torture I really don’t think a journalist should refuse to go after an interview out of the kindness of their heart.
“BY saying this I don’t say that this specific reporter was bribed. But I feel they were influenced into believeing what they reported as the perfect picture. And this influence may have been from the editors or even thinktanks, rights groups who are vulnerable to be tainted by lobbyists.”
Do you have any evidence of this? Journalists don’t just believe what anybody tells them? And if he had already been brainwashed by human rights organisations why would he even bother to seek comment from Gen Moeen?
I can’t believe the amount of unjustified hostility towards the reporter. The fact is that the general Australian population (for which he was reporting) is/was totally unaware of the massive human rights abuses taking place in Bangladesh. No they are not the worst in the world or entirely new, but that is not a reason to not report on them. Like it or not, UN reports as well as empirical evidence indicates huge violations of human rights in Bangladesh, and this report reflected that. I know a fair bit about journalism and nothing in any of the reports (which I watched first-hand on the 7 o’clock ABC News, 7:30 Report and Lateline last night) struck me as being unethical, sensationalist or biased. Whenever there is a negative international news report about Australia’s treatment of our indigenous population I am always upset that it exists and about how the report will change people’s views of Australia, but that doesn’t justify attacking the reporter unless there is obvious major mistakes in their report. And as far as I can tell, there weren’t any in Peter Lloyd’s.
June 8th, 2007 at 8:42 am
Shane,
the report was shallow and poorly researched. Bangladesh has systemic problems with lack of strong institutions being there to defend the rights of the public. Putting that down to the military government is very superficial. THe international audience may not know this but someone doing a story on Bangladesh ought to know (based on proper research) that things didn’t really become bad all on a sudden in the last 5 months. Brad Adams of Human Rights Watch who was interviewed in this report, just 9 months ago issued a damning 79 page report on 379 extra judicial killings and torture in 30 months by the past democratically elected government.
Here it is:
http://www.drishtipat.org/blog/2006/12/14/damning-indictment-of-rab/
The information is out there. You won’t find it unless you are looking for it. Some international journalists these days are much more interested in a juicy Al-Qaida story or random story on another poor third world country turning into Somalia. It just so perfectly fits the stereotype for the international audience.
What is outrageous is that it ties in the aid increase that helps millions of people with this report. Governence and accountability is also important when you consider giving aid to a country. I do believe things have improved a lot in that regard in BD over the last 5 months.
I have plenty of complains about this government not following due process and media giving them blank checks. But I am under no illusion that things were rosier in the pre CTG days.
International media would do well doing a bit more thorough research before doing these reports that affects the lives of millions of people.
June 8th, 2007 at 9:16 am
Cheers, I’ll check out the report.
On the Australian government funding: in the outro of the news story the host of the program actually noted that most/all of the funding goes to independent NGOs.
June 8th, 2007 at 9:54 am
I was one of the early critic of this new regime, emphasizing that a non-elected government perhaps needs checks and balances more than an elected one, which in our initial enthusiasm, we were failing to provide. Some of the concerns I raised at that time did materialize in reality, but now the pendulum seems to have swung to the other end. I think this coup, if we may call it one, is very different from those in the past. They deserve the benefit of doubt and we should avoid turning the situation into a self fulfilling prophesy.
The international media loves to portray us as a tin pot democracy. This image sells well. We should be mindful of letting them have their way. Democracy moves in stops and starts. And our recent track record is in fact quite good. In the recent past, whatever lapses there was in the process of democracy, we the civilians allowed it. We will continue to tweak the process until the ultimate power rests with the people.
Farhad
June 8th, 2007 at 10:31 am
Rumi Bhai, One thing I am not agreed with you.
See Reporter can charge any one any thing on any press conference. I have seen how Rajdeep- Sher- Deshai Cahrged even Chief Ministers.
I don’t want to speak any thing about the quality of report. Basically in Bangladesh where there is no current freedom of press, I don’t find any harm to ask any bitter question to any politcial leaders, CTG and all. Just remember please this is only question not report.
Farhad Bhai
“We should be mindful of letting them have their way. Democracy moves in stops and starts. And our recent track record is in fact quite good.”
Do you really feel it is quite good? I am bit confused about it.
Tanoy
June 8th, 2007 at 10:49 am
Tanoy,
It is ‘quite good’ if you accept that there will be ’stops and starts’.
Farhad
June 8th, 2007 at 12:26 pm
I am quite amused by seeing how Odhikar and Farhad Majhar have become active all of a sudden on human rights issue. They went to hybernation when RAB was killing people without trial during the last 5 year rule of BNP-Jamaat govt. These people change color with the change of govt.
June 8th, 2007 at 12:29 pm
Asif bhai,
Not too many times KJ and Asif are friend in the blogging worlds of topic,I really appreciate your articulated comments on post 21.
Bloggers and Admin: Can we discuss our Budget 07-08 please
Lets make some constructive criticism on the Budget.
They will remove the zero duty on computer and other machinery but didn’t say what they will change it to be, I think Computer need to be a duty free for next 10 years before we built the infastructure and information technology sector more viable and institutionalized.
Anyw one interested to talk about Budget as a blog topic can push the Admin and Asif bhai to start one.
thanks
Kawser Jamal
http://www.changeBangladesh.com
Budget Link below
http://www.mof.gov.bd/budget/inbrief/inbrief_eng_contents.php
June 8th, 2007 at 6:14 pm
Asif:
I think you nailed it in your original post when you mentioned that there is no alternative to transparency. This obviously has to come from our own media, which, at this point in time, is failing us—a fact you have accurately captured in our “media matters” blog.
Let me use the “market for lemons” (defective used cars) concept to get at this urgency from a slightly different perspective.
What we have now is a serious information vacuum that is increasing day by day as the mainstream media retreats to reporting sensational and managed leaks and stays clear of any news that has the slightest chance of drawing the ire of the current administration. The foreign press is trying to fill this vacuum with incomplete and out of context information colored by its preconceived ideas about the current situation.
We, the consumer of this information, are obviously at a quandary–no longer is it possible for us to separate the fact from fiction and distinguish between a political mouthpiece and a real newspaper. From the sellers point of view then, why bother about fact checking, triangulation and all of those traits of professional and fine journalism, which obviously costs time and money.
So if we allow this process, that is this race to the bottom, to continue, the local market for information will soon be filled with substandard reporting and newspapers. At which point we will be at the mercy of the ABCs and the CNNs of the world.
For more on the market for lemons:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Market_for_Lemons#Used_cars:_a_.22lemons_market.22
June 8th, 2007 at 7:24 pm
sufibaba_1967
It seems to me that you called Mr. Farhad Mazhar a razakar because he refused to assist in sweeping the HR violation (no matter the extent) fuss under the carpet for the sake of “bhaab murti”.
It is entirely inappropriate to call Mr. Mazhar a razakar since a razakar has always stood by with a mop, trying to sweep the blood under the rug. Mr Mazhar is doing the exact opposite.
P.S: Whoever mentioned HR violations in Iraq must also have noticed how Americans who bring these injustices to light and protest them are being labeled as “unpatriotic”; I think it draws an interesting parallel.
My apologies if the words seem too harsh.
June 8th, 2007 at 7:30 pm
Mahmud Farooque,
Excellent analogy with the market for lemons. Let me give you a complementary one, one I feel is more applicable to the situation under discussion.
Let me tell you where the lemon analogy falls apart slightly. The market for news consumption is definitely NOT a single market nor a segmented market. Western media sells pretty well in Bangladesh, although not more than the local media. Bangladeshi media does not sell AT ALL in Australia or other Western nations (except to BD expatriates, who in any case have access to ABC/western media).
Bangladeshi consumers/audience are faced with a severe lemon problem NOW given the media has wholly relinquished its watchdog roles. Western audiences are PERPETUALLY faced with the lemon problem all the time, and so have to turn to ABC, CNN and other news channels that provide an amazingly skewed picture of the “third world”.
The more accurate analogy (courtesy of Marc Lynch’s study of the Arab media) is that of global transcripts and hidden transcripts (courtesy of James C. Scott).
ABC is the global transcript, the dominant voice. E.g. Bangladeshis and Australians are actively reading and responding to the ABC news report.
Our media, including our blogs, tv channels and newspapers, are the hidden transcripts, available to mostly Bangladeshis and a few Australians/Westerners such as our friend Shane.
Given such a power imbalance between the two medias, a vaccuum in the local media (hidden transcipt) cannot simply be filled by the foreign media (global transcript). They cater to different audiences.
Thus, their lack of accurate information does not become the incentive to “sell lemons”, but their absolute unfamiliarity with the “hidden transcript” itself. An unfamiliarity that is the reason behind the lack of research and information in this particular piece. Worse, the “global transcript” has its own image of the “victimised”, “unable to help themselves” third world, with which this report fits in perfectly.
Lastly, the different audiences they cater to is the big problem. I am not denying that human rights abuses need to be highlighted whenever it happens. That is why Amnesty, HRW and the UN issue periodical reports, regardless of what government is in power. International media outlets come in once in a while and do this sort of “expose”, placing the entire blame on the current government and then leave as soon as they see a government they like. This is neither particularly beneficial nor productive for human rights activists who have been working on these issues for years.
June 9th, 2007 at 2:57 am
RE# 20
Shane, You say:
“Actually, believe it or not, that is not common knowledge internationally, which just makes the report even more newsworthy.”
Anyone interested in Human Rights abuses in Bangladesh may only read various reports published by Amnesty International and US Department of State.
Human Rights violation in Bangladesh is indeed common knowledge internationally.
Unfortunately (IMO), almost all contries in the subcontinent have very poor Human Rights record, yes even India - readers will surely remember the events in Gujrat in 2002. Nothing like Gujrat has taken place in Bangladesh in recent years. India also has cross fire killings known as encounters. Pakistan is not doing well in the HR front either, clearly demonstrated by the street feuds between government loyalists and the opposition, each party openly using firearms to kill. Bangladesh has a much better HR record than many of the Middle Eastern coutries who are the darling of western nations.
HR abuses do happen in Bangladesh but we have people in Bangladesh who do report and raise their voices againts such abuse, this DP board is an example. The problem I have with the ABC report is that it tries to potray Bangladesh as another Zimbabwe, which is absolutely unfair.
Despite our HR problem, western governments must support our county with aid and advice so the poor can be uplifted from poverty and to help build better infrastructure. They must also make sure the funds they provide is used for these purposes and not pocketed by corrupt politicians.
Funds provided by donors are channeled through NGO’s like BRAC, who provide services at the grass roots level in health, education and other sectors. Therefore not giving aid will hurt the common people and not those who carry out HR abuses.
FYI Some links of interest:
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2002/18309.htm
http://web.amnesty.org/report2004/bgd-summary-eng
http://thereport.amnesty.org/eng/Regions/Asia-Pacific/Bangladesh
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGASA130012007?open&of=ENG-BGD
June 9th, 2007 at 5:38 am
Tanoy (24),
Yes our record is not as bad we often think. A natural benchmark is our ex-compatriots in Pakistan. In the 1970s and 1980s, our history moved in parallel — populist civilian leaders failing to meet expectations, military coups and long periods of military-civilian confrontation. But since the end of the 1980s, we had 3 elected governments completing full terms. In Pakistan, no prime minister served out a full term. Our military remained completely under civilian control in these years. In Pakistan, army defied civilian government’s foreign policy, fought a war without government approval and eventually removed the prime minister when he tried to assert control. Even when the army finally intervened, it appointed a group of technocrats rather than taking control. Who knows what the future holds, but so far our record has not been all that bad.
Of course, this is no reason for complacency. Price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
June 9th, 2007 at 1:33 pm
In my opinion criminals are scared when military comes to power. Let the military rule till the end of 2008 like they said, it enough time to completely destroy Awami League and BNP.
June 9th, 2007 at 3:22 pm
Anthony I am agreed with you and this is the process and That’s why we need to go back to democracy asap.
Dr Akbar Ali khan has mentioned a valid Point
“while civil society starts to involve themselves in politics, they are not called politics “.
This is happening in the Bangladesh post 75 period. Basically Bangladesh was under Marshal Law long time and a group of intellects (Barrister, Phd, Doctors, CA) started to involve themselves because of their own interest with Army. So They never came on Electoral process. Gradually All corrupt So called Business Men have added their criminal values on the total system.
we started to give the name of it politics.
So I feel 15 years were very less time for any proper democracy.
Basically Asif mentioned one thing very nicely our institutions were not developed.
So Total system Just made us lame. This 15 years I am divided in to two parts
(1991-2000) and ( 2001-2006). My opinion is first 10 year I will give it the quite positive mark. But second portion is only the reign of some inefficient ignorant young
looters.
That’s why I feel complete No for any type of Martial law and state of Emergency.
Because It is very natural If there is no freedom of speech Monster is always born.
If state of Emergency is lift , I think we don’t need to wait for BBC , CNN to listen our own country news.
we don’t need to prove any one for any thing.
My question is that If CTG does every thing
right why they are scared of any home and abroad media report.
32#
Blogging with Desi Baba :
do you feel Is it enough time to establish Jamat on end of 2008?
June 9th, 2007 at 7:04 pm
I would just like to add my voice to # 29 jamil. This is absolutely unacceptable, labelling as a “rajakar” each and every person we disagree with or who criticises the Bangladeshi government. It’s unfair to the person and it’s unfair to the victims of the true Rajakars some of whom are still waiting for justice. Let us not cheapen the word.
sufibaba, Farhad Mazhar was anti-Pakistan throughout the 60s and 70s. Frankly you owe him an apology. “Rajakar” is not a “gaali” to be thrown about, but a very SERIOUS accusation. If you really think it is your “Human Right to be treated with equal respect shown to citizens of any developed country”, you must first start treating your own citizens with the same respect. You haven’t done that to Mr. Mazhar nor to the victims by trivialising this word.
June 10th, 2007 at 1:24 am
Mahmud bhai,
Couldn’t have said it better. I think with your lemon analogy, this warrants a write up. Interested in cowriting?
June 12th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
Asif (#30): I salute you for your nuanced analysis, far surpassing what I tried to do with my broad-brush treatment.
Asif (#36): Sure I am interested in co-writing. Drop me an email when you get the chance.
June 13th, 2007 at 11:46 pm
Lojja dilen bhai! Thank you nonetheless. You should really think seriously about writing up on that.
June 17th, 2007 at 1:18 am
Interesting, if Australia is providing 53 million Aus. dollars for 150 million people per year, how many dollars is it per person per year? Has any one calculated? First of all this so-called aid is not coming directly to our country. Secondly, these aids are given to world-bodies (i.e. UNICEF, UNESCO), etc.
What happens if we refuse Australia’s 53 million dollars aid? In the name of aid, their ambassadors earn unequivocal and inalienable “right” to meddle/interfere in our internal policies and politics? How different is that from colonial times when we had to lick the boots of the British?
We should simply tell these ambassadors: “Keep your aid in your own pockets, we don’t want your aid, we will mend our own fences.” And see how they react.
It should be considered as a national shame on our part that we’re receiving their aid and in exchange allowing them to dictate how we should run the affairs of our sovereign nation.
Either most of these aid are going to international bodies (i.e. UNDP, UNESCO, UNICEF, etc.) or given to local NGOs. Isn’t it? We all know how NGO directors are fattening their own pockets.
At the same time our politicians ought to stop running to the ambassadors for so-called “advice.” When all is said and done, it is our national character which needs to be rectified.
As a Bangladeshi, I am ashamed to see that we still have not earned our dependency from these former colonial rulers. Have we really earned our independence? If we have, then why are we begging for aid? Does China beg for aid? Does Malaysia, Singapore beg for aid? No.
Poor Asian and African countries beg for from donor to donor. because we can not develop our nation based on its own resources. We do have gas, we have resources, manpower, everything. We’re corrupt, un-patriotic, politicians stealing and lining up their own pockets–so we beg for aid.
No wonder, we have others dictating us about our affairs when we should be paying little attention to what these foreigners have to say. frankly, our obsession at a national level is with foreigners and all things foreign. That, by itself is neither nationalistic, nor patriotic.