The military coup in slow motion?

Gen: Masud: Is he the ambitious one? photo: bdnews24
When 1/11 happened, there was a quite a bit of ambivilence on what really happened. A friend of mine was jumping up and down and I wrote to her that we should reserve our judgment because it just takes one ambitious General to goof things up again. After two months of State of emergency, it is now clear that army hardliners are taking over and army is no longer willing to be behind the scene. Over the last few days, there has been a few alarming developments of amassing extra constitutional power by the army.
First the reenactment of Special Powers Act, a black law that can arrest and jail people without cause; Secondly the development of this super powerful anti-corruption taskforce with sweeping power to search without warrant, arrest and prosecute undermining the power of the Anti Corruption Commission, thirdly the complete banning of political activities — all these point to a telling trend of an army take over. The task force will have committees in each of the 64 districts and will be headed by a Brigadier of the army. It is not clear who in the army is calling the shot but over the last few days the GOC of the ninth division (Savar) Major General Masududdin Chowdhury has been gradually increasing his profile. In a telling trend, there was an unusual headline in Prothom-Alo, the leading Bangla daily, (whose editor is known for championing the cause of army involvement in government) promoting the success of the ninth division of the army, headed by Gen Masud, in the recent anti-corruption drive. It is unclear why spokesperson of the division would go to press to promote the success of one single division in the army. This is in stark difference to the trend where army was unwilling to take credit for the clean up and where its chief Moin U Ahmed stressed that it was the civilians who were running the government. Gen Masududdin has also been given the charge of chief coordinator of this super powerful anti-corruption task force which makes him now one of the most powerful man in Bangladesh. Gen Masud’s role in the Jan 11th is also highlighted in this article by Dr. Abdul Momen. He says:
In this city of rumors, the story that emanates from the Dhaka cantonment goes like this. The Army Chief Lt. Gen. Moeen Ahmed of greater Noakhali, the home district of former Prime Minister Begum Zia was not still convinced to move. However, his 9th Division Commanding Officer, Major General Masud, a close relative of Major (Retd) Said Iskander, Begum Zia’s younger brother, reportedly betrayed and surrounded the Banga Bhavan and asked President Iazuddin Ahmed to resign from his CA position and declare a state of emergency. [Anti-AL general, Maj. Gen. Matin, a former DGFI Chief now an Advisor might have played a role too]. He initially refused and as usual desired to speak to Begum Zia. But he was not allowed. His Press Advisor Moklesur Rahman in the meantime alerted Major General Razzakul Haider, the Chief of the President’s Guard Regiment. When General Haider appeared, he was immediately disarmed and later retired. The NSI Chief was also retired as he made some opposing noise.
We all know what happened since then. I have no way to verify this story reported by Mr. Momen in January. But it is worth noting that General Masud’s name have come up repeatedly in the rumour mills in Dhaka.
There should not be any ifs and buts about it that the Army was right to refuse to get manipulated by a massively corrupt government in holding a sham election. They also deserve the kudos in helping to implement swiftly the anti-corruption policy of the interim government. Such clean up will help our country in the long term. However, their chances of doing good is inversely proportional to the length of time they stay out of the barrack. The longer they taste unlimited power, the more chances there are for them to get carried away. It is easy to trivialize the role of the civilians in the current government but a major part of the good will that is there for the army is because of good names of these people and also precisely because of the fact that army did not take over power directly and rather let the civilian government take the laurel of some of their good work.
What started out as a military backed civilian government is now turning out to be a government where the civilians are gradually being marginalized. The key institutions like election commission and the anti corruption commissions are all headed by former army men and they have become the defacto spokesperson for these commissions. Similarly, in the advisory council former general Matin is being the most vocal with the most important responsibilities. The trends are ominous. In a recent article in Gulf News army was quoted as saying:
“We are a unique army, the Bangladesh generals said to New Delhi again and again, we are not like Myanmar or Thailand. We are here to stay. We are not here to ape the politicians. We will clean up the system, however long it takes.”
However, army will be making a huge mistake if they think that their honeymoon with the public will last forever. The public in Bangladesh is not like Burma or Thailand either. Rather if indications are right, the honeymoon will be shorter than usual. The issue is overviewed in the USIP report clearly. Here they mention three reasons why the middle class with not accept military rule.
Indeed, the fragility and vulnerability of the caretaker government
derives from the fact that there is no popularly elected legislature.
While the public appears to support the military’s intervention at
present, this could change should the army sustain its interference in
governance and should the interim government defer the restoration of
democracy.There is evidence that this intervention was met with public support,
but the panel questioned how long the public will remain patient. This
is due to a number of recent changes in Bangladeshi society. Since the
mid-1990s, Bangladesh’s middle class has grown and become increasingly
vocal about its own economic interests. Bangladesh’s civil society has
also grown stronger and is more capable of challenging the government.
A vibrant business class has emerged that is increasingly interested
in securing Bangladesh’s business environment. Finally, while
Bangladesh’s media has been deeply polarized historically, more
independent and neutral media outlets and journalists have emerged who
are willing to challenge the government.
These factors suggest that Bangladeshis may grow weary of the military more
quickly than in the past. The military may not be able to maintain its
legitimacy if it remains in power indefinitely. One speaker observed
that should widespread demonstrations take place as democracy is
denied, the army would likely retreat to its barracks. This speaker
doubted that the army would be willing to take up arms against the
general public should it be called upon to quell an uprising.
So there is no point for army to ruin its good name and clean image among the public. Then what alternatives do we, who want to see a reformed system and the army back in the barrack at the same time in due time, have. My advice will to have a deadline for power handover and that date should be Jan 11th, 2008 giving them exactly one year to enact the reforms. In the meantime, the government need to focus on
1. Having a free and fair election. Reform the commission and voter laws to create a strong system that encourages honest candidates to seek public office.
2. Anti corruption drive. In stead of focusing on personalities, focus on the law and the system so that you can bring in good people into politics and punish the corrupt within the framework of law.
3. Bring transparency into governance. Be clear on what they want to implement and how they want to do it.
What is the role of international government in all this?
Although, there are lot of rumours but I think our men in khaki is keeping them guessing as well.
Again quoting from the USIP report.
In a grim assessment, one speaker described the current situation as a “serious policy dilemma” for the international community. Apart from exhortation, panelists and participants alike agreed that there are few tools that the international community can use to compel Dhaka to restore parliamentary democracy, improve governance and justice provision, diminish the politicization of the bureaucracies, restrain Islamist militants, and improve law and order. Limited options notwithstanding, all members of the panel agreed that the donor governments should make an active effort to get Bangladesh’s democracy back on the right track.
March 14th, 2007 at 11:41 am
Another thing that may be in the mind of key players is the possibility of vindictive retribution, should an elected government either of AL or BNP stripe get back in power. The current anti-corruption moves have put a lot of powerful people in jail, and these people and their networks are still powerful and cannot be discounted.
A prolonged military rule is bound to sour in its public appeal, and will make it even more likely that the corrupt incarcerated politicians will come back to power before too long–this scenario, if it plays out, will be the nation’s worst nightmare.
March 14th, 2007 at 1:24 pm
Too Much hatred for any thing is bad. Too much praise for any thing is equally bad. In fact, when Tiger gets the taste of Blood they are simply becoming crazy and It is common for any politician, Businessman, Army , Civil society
any one.Basically We are hearing the sound of the stepping of some invisible Force.
we have already given all sorts of Certificates to our patriotic Army. But
I think Asif’s comments are the real destiny
of Bangladesh. History is repeating fast. Now all Politicians are going out of site. But I am not sure if they will be out of Mind or not.
But If process migration coming to this level it won’t be good for our country. Then again you start re construction process. In spite of lots of corruption I will still pray for the immortal life line of Democracy.Because our Democracy is still
young. we don’t know how to make the good use of it and We will learn.
March 14th, 2007 at 1:51 pm
The martial institutions arent exactly left leaning are they…. who would have expected them to approach CHT and bosti (mercy) issues with any other character.
This isnt a suprise, what annoys me is that in the orgy of jubilation post aak/agaro (if you must) supposedly pro democratic forces were so short sighted.
This bites us on the bum again and again and again, this severe socially debilitating lack of foresight.
Perhaps this will prompt some kind of fruitless post saddam pro-iraq-invasion logic of, bangladesh is better off with out these tyrants.
March 14th, 2007 at 1:57 pm
I don’t think the interim government has any choice at this stage but go hardline. As soon as Fakhruddin and the generals took control and started their reforms there was no looking back. If the government does not permanently take out every single “bad apple” in the political establishment, as soon as elections are back on, they are going to die. Does anybody doubt that if a halfway powerful BNP or AL make it back into Parliament that Fakhruddin, his advisors, or any of the generals will be allowed to live peacefully in Bangladesh?
Now, caught between the two pressures of calling elections and taking out all the people that are going to be gunning for them, the military has no choice but to turn up the heat with their extraconstitutional exercises of power. If/when elections are delcared, people will eventually forget about the wrongs they did and just remember them for their positive reforms.
Machiavelli put it best when describing what must be done by a prince that attains power through villainy: “In seizing power, the conqueror must commit all the necessary cruelties at once, in one stroke, so as not to have to recur to them again. It is in not repeating them that the trust of the population may be won. Benefits though should be granted to the population only little by little, so that they may be better enjoyed.”
At least it looks like our generals have a classical education.
March 14th, 2007 at 2:19 pm
Funny you brought up Machiavelli Amer, I was just thinking the exact same thing. The generals are taking the Machiavellian approach as laid out
(in)famously in his Principe. [I even started writing a piece with that title – A Machiavellian Approach]
You see, back in fifteenth century he became immediately unpopular for suggesting such brutal and immoral idea that made him lose his job, and he continued to be the hated political philosopher for centuries to come, but only recently researchers have been recognizing the patriotism and the disire to unify Italy. Not trying to defend Machiavelli here, never agreed with his philosophy, but observing the recent happenings in BD you can’t help but wonder if that’s the path being taken by the generals. It’s a slippery slope!
Machiavelli argued that it is primarily the character or vitality or skill of the individual leader that determines the success of any state. He focused on practical success by any means, even at the expense of traditional moral values.
In his later work Machiavelli detailed effective procedures for the acquisition, maintenance, and use of a military force. Even in his more relaxed reflections on the political process, Machiavelli often wrote proper application of morality to practical political life is one that judges the skill of all participants in terms of the efficacy with which they achieve noble ends. Whatever the form of government only success and glory really matter.
March 14th, 2007 at 2:22 pm
Asif, I am saddened to see this happening. Although I am not surprised. I expressed my concerns earlier on my blog and here. Still I was hoping for the love of Bangladesh that my fears were unwarranted.
My chief concern is that by ignoring the constitution every time in order to try to save it, Bangladesh continuously corrupts its own system. The precedent is set that if things are perceived to be bad, one can put law and order aside for a while for the “greater good”.
There is no difference between the corruption the army claims to be fighting and the corruption the army is causing by its own corruption of the system. One feeds the other - as the coups from 1975 onwards will show.
The only check to corruption is accountability, and you cant claim to clean out corruption while yourself being unaccountable.
While we may rejoice in the short term cleanup of some “bigwigs”, we are creating the conditions for future “bigwigs”.
A sad time for Bangladesh. My heart bleeds.
March 14th, 2007 at 2:42 pm
I wrote part of it in Rubel’s blog yesterday.
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In military politics the two units that are strategically most important are 9th Infantry Division and 46th independent infantry brigade.
9th division was formed by late President Zia, one main goal being that it will nutralize Dhaka cantonmnet in control over Bangabhaban. That’s one reason 9th division is meant to be outsde Dhaka cantonment. Initially it was at the north east corner of National Assembly building with most of it’s ground was on what is now Zia udyan. 9th divison has since moved to Savar cantonment.
46th independent infantry brigade is the the Dhaka cantonment based infantry brigade which does not belong to any division.
You will definitelyy need to secure this two units to control Dhaka.
Then probably comes Bogra, Jessore, Mymenshing, Comilla divisions and Ghatail rapid response brigade.
9th division has always flexed it’s muscle. Remember Gen Abdur Rahman during Ershad time? He died mysteriously overseas.
Gen Nasim’s coup failed as 9th divison led by Gen Imamuzzaman moved against him, and 46th brigade didn’t move in support of him.
It was reported that General Mashud Chowdhury is Syed Iskander’s brother in law ( Wife’s brother). This qualification apparently put him in 9th division as GOC. However looks like General Mashud has decided to let his sister’s husband escape the dragnet but not rest of Khaleda family or BNP. It will be interesting to watch how long can Syed Iskander keep off the list of DUDOK. ( Was that why BNP kept quite initially after the coup?)
To keep absolute control, there is always a need to keep like minded generals in different divisions. So far I see Ghatail Brigade commanding officer Brig Azmi ( Go Azam’s son) has been transferred, so are Bogra and Jessor division GOCs. PSO Gen Jahangir was apparently an accomplish in executing these transfers.
In addition to Gen Mashud, I’ll keep a watch on Brigedier general Nizam, the commanding officer of 46th brigade. This is that tall charismatic General who was commanding the rescue efforts after Polashbari garments collapse and BSEC Bhaban fire.
It is worth mention that Army Chief is like a ” Nidhiram Shardar” as he does not control any unit on his own. He can’t do anything without the support of the GOCs and the independent brigades. So I see general Moin as the messenger/negotiator, not the real player.
I have a feeling there are power struggle in the military too. Gen Mashud’s recent press gig apparently is aimed at consolidating his position over gen Nizam or Jahangir. There is a serious mistrust among these generals as who is BNP ally or who is AL agent etc.
Overall, in sharp contrast to the rest of the country, defence forces have become unstable since 1/11. Hope it does not erupt in massive chaos as it did post 15th august 1975.
March 14th, 2007 at 2:44 pm
It has only been 2 months. But it seems a lot longer since the CTG was involved in so many things- good or bad and so much happened in between.
I agree with Saleh Tanveer. The fear of ‘vindictive’ repercussion must be on the mind of some of the CTG tops. This may have also made it easier for the ‘hardliners’ to take over. Also, this CTG needs to see the whole anti-corruption drive through and needs to enact laws and regulations to keep checks on corruption. They have also undertaken major political and economic reforms which will take sometime to complete. In any case, I don’t see this CTG handing over power to a democratically elected government in at least two years. The only initiative they have taken so far towards the next election apart from overhauling the EC is that the CTG has recently agreed to proceed with a voter list with photographs(I could not find the link for this but I thought I read it somewhere.).
I liked most of the CTG’s actions so far. But the reenaction of part of the Special Power Act, increasing control over media, surfacing of more and more personnel in uniforms in important positions is indeed very alarming. Although this subtle take over is quite evident, I am not sure (or rather hoping)that the army will once again make the MISTAKE of trying to stay. “The public in Bangladesh is not like Burma or Thailand either.” They will not be allowed to stay by the people of BD. This will lead to chaos, bloodshed, and political destabilization and we will get back to square one.
We need to send this message to the CTG and the army.
March 14th, 2007 at 2:44 pm
Amer & Zafa, must agree with your assessment on resemblance between Machiavellian school of strategy and the course being presently pursued by the Generals in Bangladesh. The two have resemblances that for sure will make the anti- Machiavelli camp feel unsecured. Being a self confessed student, admirer & supporter of Machiavellian philosophy, my only hope is that the Generals if they are really taking inspiration from the great man, they should study his works properly and avoid doing it on a half hearted way.
Cheers
March 14th, 2007 at 2:53 pm
Are there any retired army personnel on the DUDOK lists?
March 14th, 2007 at 2:54 pm
If Major General Masud is a close relative of Khaleda Zia’s brother - then how does that work with Khaleda Zia’s brother and son and nephew being on the corruption list?
March 14th, 2007 at 3:08 pm
It is not long before most of the politicians, who are in jail now, will declare themselves martyrs and being part of a broad conspiracy. I think 2 years time timeframe is more realistic.
I agree with most of the analysis made in the posting, however, I do not feel 1 year is adequate time to make fundamental reforms and build a structure for continued existence of those reforms that will not rot away in a short time period.
I think Bangladeshis in general have a short term memory and a one year will not be adequate in changing perception and respect for the law among the general masses. While it maybe perceived that the politicians are the most corrupt and they encouraged it in general society; there is a fundamental problem where corruption is institutionalized in virtually all levels of society; be it giving the Kazi TK 5, 000 to make sure paperwork is processed in due time or giving peon TK500 to make sure the paperwork reach the appropriate person.
It is also not long before most of the politicians, who are in jail now, will declare themselves martyrs and being part of a broad conspiracy.
I think 2 years time timeframe is more realistic to make long lasting reforms.
Although the new ACC power to detain, freeze assets, is somewhat troubling, I think it would be premature to make a judgment on them until we see how they will utilize such power. Also judiciary role is still in play as any accused person can challenge the ACC allegations in court.
Let’s call it Militia-technocratic regime for now.
March 14th, 2007 at 3:19 pm
Rumi, why not “massive chaos” in an “unstable defense force”? The way these general are going, pretty soon they’ll be totally out of control. Perhaps some of the more ambitious ones need to be pitted against one another, until ALL of them are eliminated, and things settle down just enough to hand power back to the “civilian society”. And if we really want an army to take care of our constitution, as in the Turkish system, let’s start a discussion on that. But I’m afraid that may soon turn into a debate over “which constitution?”
March 14th, 2007 at 3:32 pm
Off Topic: Any idea what it could be?
Indian PM sends letter to Hasina
Unb, Dhaka
Indian High Commissioner Pinak Ranjan Chakravarty yesterday called on Awami League President Sheikh Hasina at her Sudha Sadan residence and handed over a letter of Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.
However, the contents of the letter could not be known.
AL presidium member Kazi Zafarullah, who was at the meeting, told UNB “The High Commissioner came here to hand over a letter of Manmohan Singh.”
The letter was delivered to Hasina hours before her departure for a month-long tour of the United States against the backdrop of major changes in the political landscape at home.
March 14th, 2007 at 3:40 pm
Sham,
Shamim Iskander is on the list, not Syed Iskander.
Maj. Gen Masud is brother-in-law of Syed Iskander, as per Rumi bhai.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:13 pm
I find it interesting that the GOCs of Bogra and Jessore were apparently transferred, the same night that the latest round of high-profile arrests took place, but I did not see any news item mentioning their new postings.
There was another thread about two weeks back about internal power divisions within the army brass. I think the main point being made there was that there were “good” Generals and “bad” Generals within the army, and it was the bad Generals who were giving all the unpopular orders such as eviction of slums and so on. Looking back, that thread seems oddly relevant.
March 14th, 2007 at 5:42 pm
http://www.drishtipat.org/blog/2007/02/23/the-counter-formation/
March 14th, 2007 at 5:48 pm
Maj Gen Masud is the husband of Syed Iskander’s wife’s sister, not Syed Iskader’s sister’s brother. The relationship is somewhat long drawn out.
Farhad
March 14th, 2007 at 7:13 pm
do folks discussing *allegedly* personal rivalry amongst military leaders in this forum realise the potential implications on the security of the country?
as time goes on this will happen more and more, local knowledge will become public and international knowledge. do army people have any rights or is it ok to treat them as ordinarily as you treat political fodder.
blogs are new i suppose, and in the absense of common aggrement and guidlines, how about a little restraint?
March 14th, 2007 at 8:12 pm
You may be right Farhad Vai. The difference between “Vayra” and ” Shombondhi” probably got lost is translation!
Fugstar, don’t worry, the military people are talking, off the record, with foreign press and embassies, more than they are opening up to the local press.
Moreover the news sources of strategic power hubs in Bangladesh Armed forces are public information. One such source is the book by General Matin ( Now advisor), ” How I witnessed the failed 96 coup”. There he discussed in exhausting detail, about the rivalries between different GOCs and relative strength of different infantry formations.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:40 pm
Two points I like to add:
1. BD Army has also gained much sophistication since Ershad, and perhaps more than the Army of Pakistan.
My guess is that BD Army do NOT want to mirror another Musharraf of Pakistan dragging their feet on democracy. Based on their OWN recent experiences in NURTURING DEMOCRACY in vulnerable states like DARFUR, (and Belize?) etc, they are keen to apply that experience and training on their own birthplace - Bangladesh.
2. To prevent “possibility of vindictive retribution,(#1)” by AL-BNP casualties, what is needed is to BAN and forbid by law (SPA and electoral reform) ANY politician from electioneering, who has at any time during their lifetime been arrested or charged for the criminal act of graft and corruption, (nepotism, laundering, tax-evasion, black money, extortion, fraud, land-grabbing, etc).
This will exclude Ershad, and all those in the List - and many more.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:40 pm
I fully support the prime steps taken by this PIG [paramilitary interim govenment, my most favorite nomenclature]. But EC reform, cleansing operation and so forth, how long will it take? When will they start updating voter list, will there be voter ID cards or voter list with photographs affixed?
Seems no body in the PIG knows or
are concerned about this issue? When will be probable election date?
I think who were concerned about this are either in jail, or busy getting secured
hideouts, or planning to cross the border on feet, on boat or on airplane. So, there is no rush on the vital date issue.
Now GMUC of 9th division is on the frontline. He declared 64 task-force teams of co-ordination committee all composed of military and they will be stationed in district head quarters. To get it done in distilled formate and start functioning will take couple of months. Once they are there for couple of months, perhaps they won’t feel happy to be back to barracks for idle and unchallenged lives. So this cleansing operation along with other pertinent tasks won’t be completed in minimum of 1-2 years.
In the meantime, we started to see DFUA more or less like Iajuddin, a ceremonial head of PIG. Still we see BMH coming to media but may not be too long. Behind the planned process something unpleasant might be brewing up. PIG may be replaced by FIG [Full-miliarty Interim government] headed by GMUA or GMUC or some unnamed unknowned heros.
And finally PMDD [Pakistani Musharraf Model Democracy] with a loyal prime-minister, DMI or someother prominent member from the
uncivil society.
Thanks.
March 14th, 2007 at 9:11 pm
Election-ocracy is the worst form of govt and we dont need it.
Updating Voter List will be the least of the worries of CTG when there are bigger holes to be mended in the hopeless democracy of pre-1/11, before re-launching elections.
Big holes in governance like black-money, banks, electoral, governance (bureaucracy), shongshod attendance, hartal prohibition and police need reforms to curtail graft and corruption, and MUST BE much higher priorites on the list, before worrying about election.
But, as CTG keeps saying on a daily basis, their ultimate goal is a Free and Fair timely election.
March 14th, 2007 at 10:54 pm
Just scrolling all the comments and possibility prescriptions of the all blogers. Truth
is stranger than fiction.
and This was my standing on all my postings.
A section of Electronic& Print Media were
making Army in The sky high
as ” DESH PREMIK”
Obviously there are some good officers in the army. But If we ride on the Time Machine
We will see There was always grouping in the
army . General Zia , General Ershad all were in continuous process.
May be we are going to watch another General Masud Is born.
If I am not Mistaken Brig Ibrahim (Retired)
Is the most Popular Vocal to every one of us.
But He is not holding any chair right now.
Major Moitin, General Masud, Brig Shakhwat (EC) Every one of them don’t have any clean history but They are holding the biggest posts. Said Iskanadar who has played biggest roll in BNP all the time but
He is still moving on the free air. May be he will come as More powerful than Before.
Lots of Blogers told Mr Iskandar is no more with KZ and Tarek.
But will it be the good sign for us? Because
If Syed Iskandar and His followers are still
Coming to the power we will certainly have
a dark future waiting.
If we minutely watching all the incidents
of last one/two years, It seems a master mind is Behind.
These same mastermind gave huge power to Tarek and Hawa Bhawan to do all sorts of
Corruption. This Mater mind is making Dr
Yunus Unpopular among us.
This master mind needs to use clean image of
Hassan Masud chwodury, Moin U Ahmemd or Brig
Ibrahim.
One day those graceful people will go to retirement and Mastermind will be our king . I am really sorry for our people. Because ” Dying man can catches at a straw.”
Some times we are dreaming for Younus, some
times for Fakruddin. But Our searching will be never end.
Just one hope is that this is the world of
Open media. But Still Pakistan is the biggest instance of it.
That’s why Transparency was essential in any administration.
March 14th, 2007 at 11:23 pm
Please educate me on this if I am wrong. Whatever electoral reforms this interim govt. is undertaking or the enaction of new laws and reenaction of the old ones - all these actions must be legitimized/validated by the next parliament. If AL/BNP comes to power, then there is little chance that they will continue with these changes.
Therefore, there will not only be widespread repercussion by the then govt. and political leaders, all the efforts by this IG - Army will become futile too. My thought is, the current IG will not go until it is ABSOLUTELY sure that the next govt. will validate all their activities.
How will they ensure it? Well, this question may lead to the old speculation of NS being the favored child of the IG and the well laid out plan to bring them to power. Whether this speculation has any basis in reality will become clearer with time.
March 14th, 2007 at 11:57 pm
Shahed, It depends of the strength of
the parliament. At least you need two third
Majority to give Validate those process.
I don’t think NS and all are favored child of The IG. Most Impotrtant this
IG is the favored child of Army. Now question is which Army? If I am not mistaken there is an ambitious group in Army. Most Important is
the freedom of Press right now. At least Those issues like freedom of all Those institutions should not only be
the Election slogan for Every Party
But also They have to implement those.
This reform should come in all institutions not only in politics but also
in each and every sector like Banking and all Trading sector even.
Even Army is an institution. This clean up should be there as well. Then I am sure Parliament members will give unanimous support on favor of those bills
March 15th, 2007 at 12:28 am
If everything except Army is reformed, then army will stick out like a sore thumb, and will be forced to reform. But of course, Army needs reform too, and WILL be reformed if the govt is clean.
However, it is the GOVT (not ARMY) that runs a parliament and civil service, and controls budgets, economy, transport, services, utilities, education, health, everything for the people in a functional democracy.
Therefore, GOVT reform & efficiency is of utmost need. Govt is the engine of democracy. To ask for democracy while the govt is hopeless, is like running a CAR RACE with a broken engine.
March 15th, 2007 at 12:30 am
Please read this might give us some hints
http://www.dailynayadiganta.com/fullnews.asp?News_ID=12635&sec=1
March 15th, 2007 at 2:40 am
Thanks Asif, a thought provocating and informative piece of post indeed! However, I still believe that your theory of ‘Slow Motion Military Coup’ needs test of time principally for following two reasons:
(1).Yu can’t yet say for certain that Syed Iskander will be spared, if enough evidences are found. The Joint Task Force has just started functioning. Please wait and see…If the dear nephew TR can be sent to Jail by Gen. MUC(as per ur theory the most powerful player behind scene) already, whats wrong to follow the same drill for the brother in law (’bhaira bhai’)….?
(2). One of the greatest reason for BD Army’s present role was that the UN Missions were at state if they allowed the 22 Jan election go on with their participation. Imagine how sensitive the UN mission issue is for the Armed Forces(naturally, because you know it’s the only way that the Armed Forces can earn substantially to bring comfort in life in honest way). Do you think that the Army will remain silent when their Mission will further be at stake( because Army knows that Coups/Uncontitutional Acts by them might cause such a situation again!) just because of one ambitious General’s personal agenda? I don’t think that the General would be so fool to ignore the minds of his officers and troops!
However, once again Tx to Asif, but lets hope your theory is proved wrong! Let us hope for the Best!
March 15th, 2007 at 4:05 am
Re: 20 by Rumi
bangladesh isnt one of those societies wherethe people, especially at the top and in the middle, show restraint when is comes to gossip, though it varies according to individual and family i suppose.
i still think its more virtuous from a dignity perspective. A book published in desh and marketted badly is not as visible as a place like this.
Theres another thing, how does one contest these semi public rumours which are often one sided and liable for spinning.
March 15th, 2007 at 5:02 am
Fugstar or the unsolicited ‘ Mutaween police’ in this blog,
Where did you see a gossip here? Some pieces facts were presented as well some dots were connected. Not a single fact that was presented in my comment was guesswork or rumor based. Simply the old fashioned way of putting pieces of facts together to derive a truth.
It’s such a surprise to see coexistence of ‘Mutaween’ and ‘canabis’ effect in one single entity.
March 15th, 2007 at 5:06 am
What about the UN peacekeeping factor? Will that ultimately deter overzealous army generals from a full-scale takeover?
March 15th, 2007 at 5:25 am
KK,
Realistically speaking can the UN afford to pull Bangladesh out of their peace keeping missions? I think that threat was overstated. Anyone has any numbers on how many Bangladeshis are serving in the UN army and what’s the percentage of the total UN peace keeping force?
Fugstar,
All of this information presented in the entry are in the public domain. It was not invented by us. Dissimination of information helps people make educated decisions. We are connecting some dots. I am personally not saying that what I have stated is absolutely true but I am just pointing to some trends.
By this time next year, we may well be governed by an elected govt with reformed systems and army back in the barrack. I will be the happiest then. However, if some people have other ideas, they will perhaps read these entries and they themselves will make an educated and wise decisions as well.
Tanoy,
Not sure why you are saying I told you so . The difference between your comments and mine are that mine are not like “I am feeling 14 days from now there will be snow in Bangladesh”. I am commenting after I am seeing some trends and evidence of a change. Rather, yours are wild guesses without much substance. Typically, you will do well to put a little more thoughts and research before making wild predictions and fatalistic comments.
Rumi bhai,
Enlightening comments on how the dynamics of army works. Had no idea about this piece of history.
Sufibaba,
The problem with Machiavellianism is that it requires us to have absolute faith on the judge, jury and the executioner about their eventual nobel intention. How can you have that faith in Bangladesh when you don’t know anything about them?
Rintu,
Glad you liked it. however, i did not say army will not catch Sayeed Iskandar. You were perhaps confusing my write up with someone else’s comments.
Mash,
I don’t think there is reason to be as depressed. There are lots of positives. The process had to be bent to remove some thugs from power and now there is a cost assoicated with it. If we can make people/powers aware of the dangers of more of these bending the rules, there is still time to control the damage.
March 15th, 2007 at 5:47 am
This link has the country contribution ranking in UN peacekeeping force.
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/dpko/contributors/2006/dec06_2.pdf
Bangladesh ranks second. Guess which country is Bangladesh second to? It is military ruled Pakistan. Also included in the list are most military ruled countries including Thailand.
UN peacekeeping force is not a favor UN does to Bangladesh. Contrary it is the other way. It is Bangladesh doing a favor to UN.
All along, this UN issue has been invoked and could be used out of ignorance. Even senior generals used this same thing when addressing junior officers/ soldiers. (Reference post SOE addresses of C in C, CA etc. )
March 15th, 2007 at 6:26 am
When top 3 countries are providing 40% of the troops, can UN afford to delist a country that is giving them 12% of their existing force? points to ponder.
March 15th, 2007 at 6:41 am
DHAKA (Reuters) - Bangladesh’s former prime minister Sheikh Hasina said on Thursday she supported a crackdown on corruption launched by the army-backed interim administration, and would pursue it further if voted to power in elections.
Security forces have detained more than 160 senior political figures, including the son of immediate past prime minister Begum Khaleda Zia, since emergency was imposed in January in a drive to clean up politics ahead of elections.
“They are doing good things, which the people sought for a long time. If we go back to power we will ratify their actions,” Hasina told reporters before leaving for the United States.
Under the constitution, decisions of the caretaker administration must be approved by the next elected government. No date for elections, which were earlier scheduled for January, has been announced yet.
Hasina, leader of the Awami League party, planned to spend time with her daughter and son in the U.S., an aide said, after the caretaker administration banned all political activity.
“I am not leaving the country indefinitely. Why should I,” Hasina said. “I will come back soon.”
She hoped elections would be held as soon as possible.
Bangladeshis have generally welcomed the anti-graft drive and say that the interim authority must be given time to carry out its campaign to ensure a free and fair election.
March 15th, 2007 at 11:04 am
anything stated/asserted/promised by SH or KZ or by any of their zealous party pundits/rascals lack any credibility any more…
our country has long been divided as a result of the domestic political psuedo-conflict created by AL and BNP, resulting in mass chaos, corruption and socio-political-economic meltdown, and unnecessary bloodshed…
people have given their lives, lost their incomes, broken social harmony, etc. trying to establish the vague political notions and philosophies of these two parties since the bloody birth of our nation…for what?
what is the point of cleaning up a failed democracy if the end goal is to reinstate similar politicans into power? they had their chances…given the opportunity, they will again guide us and our future down the murky trail towards the inevitable…
the IG, backed by the army or not, or even if the army do come to the forefront (sooner or later) will be welcomed by most ‘regular folk’ bangladeshis provided they actually clean up this mess as promised and overhaul the administration, seperate the judiciary, sytematically develop the infrastructure…paving the way for a fair and free election…time, it seems, is irrelevant at this moment…as long as the job gets done!
we, as a nation, have sacrificed most of our rights for 35 years…in order for this radical change to occur for our nation’s welfare, im sure we wont mind a curtailment of some of our rights for a few more years…a little more patience is encouraged…
March 15th, 2007 at 12:46 pm
Regarding # 36,
I am not sure whether Sheikh Hasina should have made such blanket statement. The tenure of this government has not ended yet, and nobody knows what this government will do next. It was like giving a blank check.
March 15th, 2007 at 2:25 pm
In #36, [“They are doing good things, which the people sought for a long time. If we go back to power we will ratify their actions,” Hasina told reporters before leaving for the United States.]
Always wondered, during her 5 years regime, if she knew that “the people sought this for a long time”, then why did Hasina NOT do these “good things”? And why should people believe that she will be diferent next time?
Was it a lack of governance knowhow, incompetence? higher priority to more selfish/personal needs? involvement in her own corruption? wish to remain autocratic? or just neglect of people’s needs? or just status quo?
Or was there a LARGER FORCE within govt, party, army or foreign nations, that held her back?
If it took CTG only 6 weeks, why wasnt Hasina (or even Khaleda) “doing good things” during those FIVE years from 1996-2001?
This question is particularly puzzling to me, and without invoking partisan sentiments, has anyone any concrete idea what was the fundamental governing policy during Hasina’s regime??
March 15th, 2007 at 3:10 pm
Letting Sheik Hasina out of the country is the biggest blunder of this government.
This cleanser debugging government has 3 most important cleansing programs.
1. They should contiue their drive of uprooting corruption from the major sectors and let the prepatrators have an examplary punishment, so that we can see a long-term impact and country can get out of it’s stigmatous title “world’s most corrupted country”
2. The corruption, extortionism, and terrorism is very intimately connnected. So, this anticorruption drive should go hand in hand to nab all the killer terrorizng under-world-black forces and find out their links to godfathers in the different parties and put to books. But we observe the current focus of government mostly on money launderers and see no strong drive recovering illegal arms, netting the criminals, killers and mafia groups under political patronization. There should be tougher stance in investigating the bombing and killing incidences of Kibria, IV Rahman and others in Sheik Hasina’s meetinng and also those involved in October 28th’s Logi-boita-lathi massacre.
3. Government should do something to reform political system so that people doesn’t see anymore shut-down of the whole country by country-wide general strikes. The looters loot peoples money but the lagatar hartal has more negative effect in our economy and normalcy in lives. They should mull in political as well as reforms in law-enforcing agencies so that life is not paralyzed by street-fight between law and order enforcing forces with the political anarchists. PIG should also act to stop institutional politics like students’ politics, politics of government officials and the professionals like engineers, doctors etc and most importantly politics in the court campuses.
And finally Hasina, Ershad and Khaleda no one should be spared in this cleansing process for their massive corruption, antistate and anti-people activities during their tenures as in position and opposition.
And again letting Hasina away has undermined the honesty, sincerity and neutrality of PIG in their mass-cleansing campaign.
The country would have been most happy should they have seen the two lordesses in the same prison cell like Shaik Rahman and Bangla Bhai, at least for a couple of days for their lingering mischiefs and misdeeds.
Thanks.
March 15th, 2007 at 6:05 pm
Folks no intention to start another partisan debate on this issue.
It seems this is another Hasina style statement and strategic move. She finally confessed that she was the responsible one for the MOU with the Khelafot Maslish. According to her the MOU was a strategic move for electoral allinace –meaning after election they will not follow through it. She said in the past that she will NOT do Hartal even if she is in the opposition camp. She said, she will retire at the age of 57 and after that she will live in the village. I do not see this statement any different than many of her past broken statements. This statement makes one thing straight that the current military governmenmt is not doing any collusion with AL,i.e., they are yet to adopt the principle of divide & rule yet.
March 15th, 2007 at 10:14 pm
It is imaging to see what the current Govt. is doing in Bangladesh. I support their drive on illegal drive all over the country. I also believe that current Govt. needs to be mindful that there are many poor people fall in this cross road where they lost their homes. I personally think that this current Govt. knows about this unexpected and dire situation.
My suggestion to this current Govt is that a new area should be created and facilities should be built to accommodate these homeless people to cope with this dire situation.
It does not take huge money to build a livable facility to accommodate these people. Selection of the location can be tricky but it can be done outside of Dhaka if possible since not much land is left in Dhaka now-a-days. I also think that this Govt can ask help from Foreign Govts to accommodate these unexpected homeless poor people.
Other idea is that maybe current Govt can establish a trust fund to help these unexpected homeless people. We as expatriate can donate to this fund to help this homeless. Another idea is that maybe that the money that will be extracted from the corrupt people in Bangladesh can be used to accommodate these homeless people.
Anyway I have put multiple choices to deal with this unexpected problem and current Govt. needs to play a role to help this needy. I hope to hear from current Govt about my proposal to deal with this problem and implement as soon as possible.
Best wishes,
Eng. M. M. Chowdhury
http://www.changeBangladesh.com
http://www.amreteckpharma.com
March 16th, 2007 at 6:30 am
It seems BD is in the throes of yet another giant leap backwards. The extra-constitutional measures now being taken in the name ofthe caretaker goct. must, sometime in the future, be “legalised”. This legalization must take place in a parliament that is duly elected and must by a two-thirds majority, give legal cover to all actions since 1/11.
If the future new parliament elects such members who would refuse to provide this cover, then they will inevitably do the opposite - declare all these acts as illegal and apply the label “treason” to those involved including the current caretaker Advisors.
Obviously the present generals will do everything they can to prevent such an event. As such they have no other alternative but to “manage” the next election, and ensure that they get only those people elected who will provide the cover.
They could also get “creative” and hold a referendum to provide this legal cover. However, as I read the Constitution as it now stands, that option is not also legal because the referendum must be conducted by a legal authority, which the current power-holder group is not.
March 16th, 2007 at 6:54 am
Just curious… what makes think Sk. Hasina that she or AL will be voted into power ….at this situation specially…. !!
March 16th, 2007 at 8:44 am
I don’t think Sk. Hasina said these because she thinks that AL will be voted to power, when the elections come. I think she just took the opportunity to support the current govt as she sees that the current govt. is still popular to the people of Bangladesh. In her mind, she thinks that by saying that she agrees with the current activities, she is buying more votes. But we have to remember who the person is. I remember in 1982, when Ershad came to power, Hasina was all welcoming as she prefered military rule instead of the elected govt. of Sattar. We all know what happened next.
March 16th, 2007 at 9:25 am
I feel sorry for Sheikh Hasina, she is slammed when she supports the CG, and again slammed when she speaks against any move of it.
March 16th, 2007 at 10:01 am
Sensible,
I think SK. Hasina should get credit for her recent comment giving validity of interim Govt if she comes in power. Although it is political statement. Whoever comes next shoudn’t change anything.Isn’t that we prefering this type of commitment at this moment? After all this looting do you want BNP to come back to power gain ever?
Just remember again.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:54 pm
Mohammad Khan,
The only reason SKHasina’s statements don’t get due credits and credibility is because you never know, tomorrow she can come and say that her extolment of CTG activities was a ‘tactical move’ and in reality AL was always opposed to that.
I certainly don’t want BNP to come back to power, but remember there is quite a handful of AL leaders on CTG corruption lists and we don’t want them back either. Corruption of BNP leaders are getting more (in comparison) publicity because BNP was in power more recently, it is fresh on peoples minds, and there are lots of evidence. Most of the corruption charges brought so far are within the last five years. Does that mean there was no corruption in BD before that?
March 16th, 2007 at 1:22 pm
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March 16th, 2007 at 1:41 pm
Mohammed Khan,
I was just trying to put her comment to a context. Nothing else.
As far as the current govt and its work, I would not want to legitimize anything and everything, even before I know what those might be. The tenure of the current govt. is not over yet and only god knows what all they end up doing in the end. So in my opinion, it’s premature to talk about legitimizing ALL work of the current govt.
On a bigger issue, I am not a fan of going outside the law to make changes and then legalizing those actions. I know that the political process in Bangladesh needs changes. But I want to give the political process to make those changes while running the due course in time. Changing faces and keeping the same basic political system will get us to the same point again and again. What we need is a change in the political process and development of democratic institutions. So far, I don’t see any. Let me give you an example. One basic democratic institution that we need is a free and independent election commission. But the current govt. changed the faces in EC and stopped short of giving it independence. The EC is still under the PMO. Another example would be the independence of judiciary. Are you not at all surprised that no one is getting bail no matter how silly the accusation is? This is happening because the courts are working under the direction of the current govt. Then why did we praise this govt. so much for completing the work on separation of judiciary?
Only time will tell if that happens and establishing democratic institutions itself takes time. So there is no time machine to fast forward the process.
March 16th, 2007 at 2:41 pm
For 15 years Hasina and Khaleda did NOTHING to curtail corruption, because it was against their OWN political/personal interests to restrict corruption..
So, if she gets back to power then why should she RATIFY (legalize) all the changes that CTG has done? It will certainly not be in her interest.
This is why separation and autonomy (independance) of LAW is absolutely critical. It should the LAW which will decide whether the improvements in Electoral, judiciary, financial and anti-corruption sytems made by CTG are legalized, not Hasina and Khaleda - they never had and never will have that NEED to ratify anti-coruption.
Under current govt, the JUDICIARY must be empowered to PERMANENTLY LEGALIZE the new systems in govt, and anti-corruption.
March 16th, 2007 at 2:50 pm
Shahed,
Yes there were corruptions in BD before BNP and since 71.
But people didn’t see such a horrible situation in every corner in the last 5 years.
We heard corruptions about ‘crores’ before NOT ‘thousands crores’.Look at our judiciary systems now…who do you think poisoned?
You won’t find 100% corruption free nation in anywhere in universe.We got a live with it by minimizing as much as possible.
All we got to do trust some one and hope for the best.There is no messanger coming….
March 16th, 2007 at 9:15 pm
Most times Hasina lies and often times her comments are laughable and babish. She wants to bag the credit of this government jobs saying this government is the fruit of the movement and sacrifices of her alliance. She’s so silly to think she is the only clever person in Bangladesh and others are just morons.
People know what nightmares the nation went through for her the most stupid destructive leadership. That’s why the Army Gen. Cited in his speech the level of anarchy demostrated by her all-shutting-down-street-mongers-Hasu-Bahini on black historic October 28th 2006, a day of most inhuman barbaric human carnage. This government was never a aspiration or intent of Hasina’s polytrics, rather this government is the result of failure and extreme greed of two damn dame leaders. And who doesn’t know those facts!
Claims for credit by Hasina is ludicrous. Moreover, Hasina’s government was more corrupt than immediate past BNP-Jamat government. Only problem of the last government was Hawa Bhavan and Tareque’s involvent in corruption; and also as he was emerging as future prime minister, in fact, many people from position and opposition were so jealous of him. Simply, they specially Hasina couldn’t tolerate it thinking her son Joy as unequal contestant with Tareque for future power wrestling.
According to TIB report, when our country became first-time world champion in corruption in the last year of Hasina government, our trasparency score was 0.4 out of 10 meaning 4% [4 out of 100] and when it came out of this ignonimous title last year securing 3rd position by score and 5 to 8th position by country, the transparency score was 2 out of 10 meaning 20%. Despite huge corruption BNP-Jamat governement did fare 5 times better than Hasina government. Yet, we always see roaring big voice of Hasina, what we can call chorer maayer boro gola as she is the most shameless liar leader of the country.
She said, she will retify the activities of present PIG if voted to power. But the Durmuk-wallara says, ” Hasina, you wish you will be voted to power ever again, given yours all track records!”
Thanks.
March 17th, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Hasina run the country from 1996-2000. Only in the year of 2000, Bangladesh became corruption champion. On the other hand, BNP run country from 2001-2006. From 2001-2005, Bangladesh was corruption champion. 1 years versus 4 years!
Now even a 5 year old child can tell which of these two regimes was more corrupt.
March 17th, 2007 at 1:23 pm
Re #52 & #54, Who was MORE corrupt (Hasina or Khaleda) is NOT relevant, in a nation of 50% below poverty line. We certainly cannot give Hasina a Nobel prize for being LESS corrupt than Khaleda!
Due to leadership of unchecked-corruption, free for all, each regime was getting worse than previous. So in theory, whoever won in 2007, would have had a corruption-festival in govt in next regime, much worse than 2001-2007.
“1000 crore” figures were prominent during Hasina’s time too - Salman Rahman (AL MP candidate) alone was known to have defaulted 1700 crores from a bank, under Hasina’s regime.
There is corruption in every nation - thats true, but corruption of 1 $Billion in USA is a drop in the ocean, where GDP is trillions of dollars. But in Bangladesh where GDP is only a few $Billions, stealing 35,000 crores ($5 Billion) does not leave much for the ABJECT POOR - and nation’s infrastructure, and is a MAJOR setback to people’s economy.
#53 bitterboy, I agree, I would not give Hasina any credit for anti-corruption.
Re #52, We cannot put an AL or BNP guy in power, pray to Allah and “hope for the best” - because corruption is NOT AN ACT OF GOD. Corruption is a HUMAN activity, which is controllable by proper setup of govt and legal control.
Yes, no country can be 100% corruption free, but let’s NOT give licence to corruption by using that statement as our LAW. Our corruption has been 100% higher than most countries - and that is why we are POOR.
I heard last night that MANY garment workers share home together in Dhaka in groups of 6-10, where “home” is a floating shack on bamboo rafts, covered in wood tin and cardboard.
Imagine what home is like for those who have no job!
Corruption is not caused by poverty - the richest steal the most. The poor and starving do not steal nation’s wealth, but NATIONAL POVERTY is a direct result of national and BD-political corruption.
So let us not give any LICENCE for corruption to ANYBODY, and apply an absolute ZERO-TOLERANCE against corruption, legally, politically and constitutionally. That is the only way BD can get out of poverty, and the need is URGENT.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:03 am
Reply to Bitterboy #53 [1."..She wants to bag the credit ..saying this government is the fruit of the movement ".]
:-Well Bitterboy, just imagine that there was no violent protests and movements against the ‘pre-planned/engineered’ election plan of 4-party alliance. AL/14 party participated and lost miserably,BNP came to the power for another 5 years(fortunately it hasn’t happened and is that why u r so pissed off?)! And undoubtedly that would have happened if all those events by “Hasu-Bahini”(unfortunate though!) didn’t happen?So, isn’t this CG the fruit of 14 party’s movement? why can’t you instead blame KZ for leading the nation into such a situation for her unfulfilled hunger and lust of power, and the desire to hand over the PM ship to her Gr8 son?
2.["..Hasina’s govt was more corrupt than BNP-Jamat. Only problem ..was Hawa Bhavan ... future prime minister, many ... were ..jealous ..Joy as unequal contestant with Tareque ".]
:-Bitterboy, so u are still trying to certify BNP-Jamat as better ones! Not at this moment pl! Even KZ wouldn’t believe that pl!Still tried to potray TR as future PM, right now who is inside jail! Whats the difference between TR and any other ordinary Guy except that he was the son of ZR/KZ? Its not the question of jealousy man…its the question of a Nation’s future/survival! Surely you wouldn’t like to see aome one as your PM with no qualities! So, far I know, Joy is well educated and doing quiet well as IT professional in USA. Did you know that TR was withdrawn from St. Joseph for unsatisfactory result and has no formal/standard education beyond school level? So, who should be jealous of whom?
3.["..Hasina, ..will be voted to power ..given yours all track records!”]
:-Another mistake Bitterboy, despite all, AL was always the single largest party in BD in terms of the number of votes casted? Although lost, in 2001 election also AL got more total votes than BNP(pl correct me if I am wrong)!
I am not a blind AL supporter, nor am I anti-BNP. But if some one advocates BNP-Jamat was less corrupted than AL than he is probably not following the current findings of Joint-Forces(including those “Tran Khani” or underground/pond hidden treasures)
One more thing, the trend that BNP set was: if you do JCD/Chattradal, specially the VP/President of Dhaka Univ JCD, you are confirmed with a seat of MP incl wealth/power for all others. It was not only horrible, but also was a root cause of the increasing greeds/lusts amongst young generation that was spreading like Cancer in the society!
March 18th, 2007 at 4:12 am
Let’s be optimistic with this historical action against these corrput people in the country. More than 30 yrs. country was in the hand of plunderers like Ershad, Khaleda and Hasina. The nation is tried of these thugs and want to get rid of them forever. We gladly accept the actions of the current govt. in diminishing the root of corruption for ever. A country was born with worng corrupt leaders. Time and again, these so called leaders cheated with the people with flase commitment and with full of lies. There is saying “you can fool some people for some time but not all the people all the time.” I agree with one of the comment made here that under any situation Hasina was not allowed to go our of the country because she was one of the key destroyer of the country and freind of looters! So is Khaleda, we all mith have noticed that she did not made any comment after her son is arrested may be now she reaslise her house was full of dacoits and thievs and she was the BOSS!
We hope this govt. will fullfill the dreams of common people and they mean business.
Razzaque-UK
March 18th, 2007 at 7:05 am
Very well said Rintu. I think you have pointed
out the very basic things and It is the actual picture of Bangladesh in last some years. BTW TO Washim and Fz if possible kindly
advise your email details also.
If you don’t have problem mail me at tanoy@techndoimansion.biz or tanoydutta@gmail.com.
March 18th, 2007 at 12:11 pm
In #56, Rintu - “isn’t this CG the fruit of 14 party’s movement?”
I wouldn’t call it the “fruit” of AL movement, it’s more like a KICK to AL & BNP’s bogus politics. Had AL been so dynamic as current CTG, they would have given people this “FRUIT” in 1996-2001.
Let’s not get too praiseworthy of AL politics either. Lets face it - the politics of BOTH AL and BNP were BOGUS - with hartal, boycott and oborodh - and with no talk about REFORMS in last 10 YEARS. Had AL won in a Jan 22 election, then they would have continued with the SAME OLD junk of the OLD failed democracy.
People were SO SICK of both AL and BNP junk, that this SILENT REVOLT (Army/Fakhruddin) would have come against them ANYWAY, regardless of whether AL movement against Iajuddin happened or not, b4 or after elections, in some form of COUP or other.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:05 pm
K Gazi I really don’t know what is your hang over about the Non political activities?
“Had AL won in a Jan 22 election, then they would have continued with the SAME OLD junk of the OLD failed democracy?”
Now if people participated this election with
100% enthusiasm and If AL won do you change the result then? and If participation
is 60% + what will be your logic then?
Still Minority like you will find any option to fight against Al
Basically It is clear that you are heard core Anti Al . and I am also Just opposite to you Remember .The things which are perfect to you It may not be necessary to the same as you.So Instead of using very offensive Word like “BOGUS” better wait for the level playing field and then you will see the Judgment. I don’t think In this blog
there is no bigger anti BNP than me. But Way
some people are using so much offensive languages even in Cricket Thread to TJ or KJ is not very good practice. Now any one of you thought that My comments are fatal I don’t have any problem. Just remember K Gazi
AL and Other political Parties have lots of
Contribution for the countries. If You or any one speaks Venom about them , You can’t change the history.
March 18th, 2007 at 2:20 pm
With complete regards to the intellectuals, as participated above, I would like to disagree with your comments and understanding regarding the situation prevailing in the country. I suppose many of you stay outside and try matching the western governance into our one. To be very honest with little study, I am yet to accept the definition of democracy in practical term for a country like Bangladesh. This democracy, so far resulted in the assasination of many of our patriot leaders, boundless corruption, seizing of business and life and so on.
However, can you please think about the officers and men and their present stuggle, leaving their family and home, staying out for a prolonged period. What really they are getting out of it? Any idea? I dont think that you have little understanding about these issues. B’cus you quitted the nation and now have enough time to only criticize. The military men left back their family, passing sleepless nights, running after those who made the green heaven into the hale and without having any benefit of their own.
If you think that the only the leaders without the suport of the ground lever workers are carrying out the operations, then possibly you are far from the reality. The one word that I would like to metion here as the driving force is the PATRIOTISM, which you possibly lack and thus never feel the cry of the nation.
I would kindly suggest you to try developing the patriotism within you and view things possitively. Bye. Soldier
March 19th, 2007 at 1:39 am
Dear Soldier,
From the sounds of it, you are perhaps a member of the armed forces. If you are read the write up carefully, there is no criticism of the soldiers who are doing some of the hardest works. In fact, the anti corruption drive is a very good thing that is happening in the country. However, simply put typically such hard work gets derailed by ambitions of a few powerful men when there good intentions turn into misleading witchhunting and lacks checks and balances that lead to some disasterous decisions. Perhaps, nothing of that sort has happened yet but trends are pointing that way. Also its not appropriate to question people’s patriotism just because they have decided to migrate from the country for various reasons. Bangladesh will be in big trouble without the remittance that flows back to country.
March 19th, 2007 at 5:25 am
Dear Asif:
Most of the remittance comes from MiddleEast and Asia. I am a good follower of the works all the good people who live abroad are doing. My hats are off to them. And as we have seen most of the people who are watching world cup games are from abroad speically from USA and UK. I am no question of thier Patriotism but please come and see the situation in Bangladesh now. Most of the places that need bribe specially in the goverment offices even do not ask for them any more. There are no Mastans and no speial favours in any place like Banks, while paying bills, Bazar, roads, etc.
So my hats are off for the things that Bangladesh present goverment is doing with the help of Bangladesh Army. So if the Army stays and the situation stay like this without corruption then I welcome them for another 100 Years.
I understand you concern but i will requst you to come and see what the present goverment is doing with the help of Goverment Forces. Even the ploice do not want bribes.
March 19th, 2007 at 5:44 am
Dear All,
I think it is good to bring examples of BNP & BAL but we also should not give too much importance to these two suckers who just inherited the power and also blackmailed the emotion of the simple people. BNP-BAL means destroying the country’s image, corruption, nepotism, politising all the institution, except country’s well being they deal with everything and most improtantly give a damn to all of us. Both these party leaders are totally autocrat and does not want to leave the power to others,only compaprable to Saddam and his family. But when you listen to them they are as if the pioneer in the concept of democracy. Among both leaders one is cewrtificate holder, another one is illiterate.
March 19th, 2007 at 7:50 am
#63 MND-
“Most of the remittance comes from MiddleEast and Asia. I am a good follower of the works all the good people who live abroad are doing. My hats are off to them. And as we have seen most of the people who are watching world cup games are from abroad speically from USA and UK.”
Ans:MND what is the relation ship between the watching Cricket and Remittance.But NRB is NRB. Location does not matter in here.Those who are leaving abroad they are NRB. Every NRB is contributing for Bangladesh either by remittance or via intellectual capital. so location wise distinguish may not be correct . And some of our political leaders also welcoming army like any thing.This is short run solution
today or tomorrow you have to go back to democracy . Because it is natural process.
Country can’t be run with an abnormal system and Marshal law not at all accepted in a Civilized country.
#64 Razzaqe
Both these party leaders are totally autocrat and does not want to leave the power to others?
Is it not your un success ? Because you guys
cast you vote on favor of them.Most important People cast the vote for them? so Are we not people responsible for that?
March 19th, 2007 at 1:42 pm
Tanoy, NRBs in asia sends their totoal income to BD. Unlike the NRB of UK and USA. And these Asian NRBs are mostly coming from rural Bangladesh. Nor you or your leader SH or KZ represents nor try to listen them nor helpe them in thier work place. Have you not noticed how they been treated on air by the cabin crew from middle east-dhaka flight? These people does not even expect anything from you or your leader. They want their family to live in honest, peaceful, safe Bangladesh. Because thier earning is very honest and they dont want to robbed by the dishones BAL or BNP. And if Army can provide better situation than BNP or BAL then they sould be in power untill people want otherwise.
And dont you think Army is Civilized enough? They also dont want to be in this situation. Your leader made them to come in to this situation. Be patient my friend. Army will not run the country for you for 100 years. But it will run for the time it needs to make sure that Bangladesh is run by honest politician.
And its a wake up call for you blind party supporter. Bangladesh need people with open eyes!!
March 19th, 2007 at 1:54 pm
Dear Asif and Tanoy
You are correct, by no means I should have attacked someone’s patriotism. I am extremely sorry for that. But as the Tanoy saying the situation is not acceptable, my question, than what really you want to accept? Those criminalization of politics where we were stalled? Or something new? Please suggest some alternative. B’cus I guess many of us already got fadup with the two maj political parties. Present govt is trying for their reform. You and me both know, the moment the force will not be inact, there will be procession, hartal and so on and going back to the stalled situation once again. The second thing you said this is not accepted for any civilized society. Did you really feel the society really civilized when there was physical clashes within the supreme judiciary? Did you feel the socity really civilized when we found ourselves apprehended by the political leaders? Pls be kind to suggest to be out of the situation.
March 19th, 2007 at 2:23 pm
Debating yet another statement by Sheikh Hasina is worthless. Isn’t she the same person who promised not to call hartals!!
March 19th, 2007 at 7:57 pm
Soldier/MND,
We both want long term solution to these problems. The way things are approached, this problem will not go away. These crooks will come out or new crooks will be created. There is no alternative to fixing the system and running the country in a plain transparent manner.
March 19th, 2007 at 10:37 pm
The Army is doing a wonderful job in taking the INITIATIVE to introduce reforms. Obviously the party politicians had NO idea whatsoever, or no intention, to make reforms. The CTG/Army must grab the bull by the horns, REFORM it, TEST it, apply it for a while, then release it to the politicians for another try on democracy. Hopefully this time it will be AUTO-REFORMING, self-governing in auto-pilot mode, and no future COUPS will be necessary.
But thats what Parliament was meant to be for - to be auto-reformed by MP’s of governing system, except in BD where AL and BNP boycotted parliament for 10 years non-stop, and stole people’s money freely, no reform was made.
The “SYSTEM” of choosing election candidates, hiring policmen, Univ VC, MP’s, ministers, black money ban, bank control, all these CORRUPT openings must be closed in order to FIX the “SYSTEM”.
Once the SYSTEM is fixed, then a permanent solution will be made, the crooks will have no room to return. Then new leadership can be re-built.
March 20th, 2007 at 1:02 am
Asif, you are right! There must be a long-term solution!No debate on that.Thats what the present CTG is exactly trying to do. But, there may be differences on choosing the “ways” how to do that for obvious reasons!
So, could you please tell us how the things should be approached? Could you please tell specifically what should be the ‘Way’?
I mean there is no point to criticise someone’s efforts unless you have a better(and that should be accepted unanimously) idea! We would love to see better ideas!
March 20th, 2007 at 2:33 am
Rintu,
I think the following three things will make a long term lasting impact.
1. Due process must be followed. No bending the law and no trial by media.
read this piece http://www.thedailystar.net/2007/03/19/d703191503129.htm
2. Transparency in governence. Who is making the decision and how. If this is not clear, then the corruption drive will soon turn into personal witch hunt.
3. Respect for human rights and rule of law. No killing by army and rab.
March 20th, 2007 at 4:36 am
Rintu major issue is to establish transparency. If Institutions work properly
in impartial manner you don’t need to do any thing Extra.
Judiciary is independent now and People should
have the respect for the proper implementation of the law .
If right person is in right place ,system will
work with out any obstacle.
Judiciary, Anti Corruption and the Election commission. These are the principle organ of the country. If Those institutions are working properly what else do we need?
My Point is that Criminals should be punished
in Extreme level but definitely by the court
Not By any individual. Other wise for stolen
things if you cut down some one’s hand instead of Jail will not be fair for the civilized society.
March 20th, 2007 at 5:16 am
Soldier I respect your opinion. My point is
to drive against Anti Corruption is absolutely
ok and It is fine as well. But You see some times those check and Balance is making us very confused. I am not un happy to see Sq Chow dhury, Salman F Rhaman etc are in Jail. But why Jankantha Editor Atiullah Khan Masud. Janakantha is the Al Supporter every one knows.
But Even in the period of BNP we never heard
any Filing of corruption against Mr Masud.Even IG Explanation about Masud is in full of inconsistency. They changed their opinion three times. As for example Prof Muntasir Mamun, Ramendu Mazmumdar, Kabir Chowdhury etc all of them have soft corner for Al. So are they sent to Jail for the check and balance.
Basically you see in all of those posts every one of us are praising IG but some activities of the Rab, Army and all are raising eye brow. If some one wants to sabotage the current success of IG or not.
My point is that If any one is going to be arrested , People of the Bangladesh have right to know why he has been arrested.
Other wise any one can raise any complain against any one .To be very honest
People are penetrated on such action .
Rosul :
I understand NRB of Middle east is very laborious and they are sending all the remittance to the country. Did we deny about this thing? See As for my concern those people will never have scope to even speak with any Captain Rank officer. Because Army officer is very selective about their social
associations. Their connection is always with the elite class of the society rather those people have easy access to political leaders. Another Thing Boss I don’t have any
Data In My hand about allocation of global wise percentage of remittance. But you know NRB of UK, USA, Australia,Canada, Australia, Singapore, Japan have scope to play bigger roll than those of middle east.
Just let me give you one example. I am from Sylhet. In Last some years so many people went to London from there. But what is our intellectual growth rate? But look at India.
In every Department of those country one indian is seating here. and here Social classification is coming up. High and Low definitions are coming up. These are all
because of Circumstances. But It is not morally right to deny the contribution of intellect NRB of different regions.
People Like Dr Zafar Iqbal and all are from
USA PHD back ground and They are now the building up Nation in own country .So It’s completely wrong to distinguish NRB Global wise.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:25 am
Dear Asif
I have all my deepest feeling and love for you that things are touching your heart. I have keenly gone through the contents, its message and possible directions with the indications of what should the shape and strategy of present caretaker govt in the attainment of the long urged objectives and desire of the people of the country.
You can write well, you can hot the blood of the young, to some extent you can even of the old. The fact is you can not many who do not feel to go through your words which can only pinch, heart and disturb the holiest wills of this mother land giving their best green life.
You are talking about remittance, please note remittance about second highest are given by the ’soldier’ and their members who tried to give you little lesson that you are no less than of Karjai type, or Maliki type or somebody who tried to be in the serial of those evil doers of the world spoke loudly to turn Chittagong Port a mega one. Shockingly and happily, no more possible to buy Mirjafors by them in our best land.
Baby,
Please note ’soldier’ and his associates are accustom to learn/hear that they are the overload waste of the country, but the irony of reality is that they are fixing everything now which you and your likeminded honorable have junked in the country for last 30 years.
Please note, the GDP of this country is about 7%, 16% pure drinking water is in our account. Bay of Bengal contains energy stock which is able to run whole world for next 100 years, many many prospectful accounts within our land and there is none to stand beside the intellectuals of single of our countrymen in this world. Because I worked with the best champions of the world and showed our might to them. Your sponsors had tried best to make this green my land a hale but failed to turn into a Afghanistan or Iraq but failed to some of the guys young took risk of their life.
But still the ‘hayenas’ do not leave this ground trying to buy people at the last with ‘peace gift’… and many more things you know.
You know they are now coming to us with the assistance to EC, anti corruption activities, EU, Commonwealth and many others have become passion less to be involved with our private affairs so that in the mid and long run they can do what they are doing in Middle East and in Africa.
Please do not try to heart the honest sentiment, love, patriotism and sacrifice of the people who are doing what you know. Well soldiers are not the right persons but what rest did so far.
Well this I not the right way to do the things, what the so called right ways bring for us.
At the last Asif let us unite us having same agenda united and nationally unified leaving Bangabondhu, Zia, Bengali, Bangladeshi and many more things…….We will have fullest regard to these, because we can not step forward without these. But no division no division no division and finally no division.
MY all best wishes to you all.
ALO
March 20th, 2007 at 11:09 am
Tanoy re #74,
You are misreading the term “Checks and balances”. It does not mean BALANCING equal number of AL and BNP crooks.
The term is used to mean CHECKING govt offices and balancing their powers, by separate offices, to prevent CORRUPTION.
from link below:
[["Checks and balances" refers to the various procedural rules which allow one branch to limit another, such as the authority of the American President to veto legislation passed by Congress, or the power of Congress to alter the composition and jurisdiction of the federal courts. Each country employing a separation of powers will have its own system of checks and balances; the closer a country lies to the presidential end of the continuum, the more checks that will likely exist between the branches, and the more equal the branches will be in relative powers.]]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers
March 20th, 2007 at 12:00 pm
This is my own theory K Gazi about Check and Balance. You are also correct in your point
of view.any way thanks for this point
March 20th, 2007 at 12:08 pm
Reply to: Tanoy Dutta Srial # 74
“But why Jankantha Editor Atikullah Khan Masud. Janakantha is the AL Supporter every one knows”.
Dear Mr. Dutta my best regard to you Sir.
Have you ever seen, visited the house of this great corrupt man in the country. He has a house at Dhaka Cantt (amongst many). I have visited 30 countries but not seen so so so ‘Badshahi Type’ house like his one that can be seen anywhere. He illegally graved 1/3 of that house’s land from govt land and none could take away that so long AL was in power.
He by using his super influence (?) got approval 3-5 multi-diversified construction sites at Dhaka during AL regime.
His son used to drive a damn costliest car in Dhaka Cantt with high speed far higher than accepted and used to listened song to the highest volume in the Cantt disturbing commoners severely when he comes from Asif’s dream land (I do not no where that lucky on is now).
Do you like to know more?
They are different types of ‘mafia’ in our country, who has been successful like many in /out of our country.
The Janakantha is and was a ‘dhaal’(protection) for this man.
Never think I am BNP, JAMAT, COMMUNIST, SORBOHARA etc (most of them in these parties are devil)but I want and have dream that “ AMERICANS ARE IN THE JAMMED LINE OF OUR EMBASSIES IN OTHER COUNTRIES TO TAKE VISA, BUT WE ARE CONTINUOUSLY REFUSING THEM FOR AVOIDING RISK OF THEIR BAD DEEDS AND PROTECTION OF OUR COUNTRY”.
I am infact, Bangali, Bangladeshi, secular, Muslim citizen of my mother land.
Please do not be confused that, am I a bustar., no this a great pride that I have positive colours in my identity, that is why we the Bangladeshis are really so so capable and knowledgeable and devoted. We need national unity (not national unity govt), a leader and total commitment by all of the citizens under same single strong /comprehensive / capable / considerate /bold /honest / dedicated / priceless (having no price, none can buy by anything) / not an angel t