

নতুন বোতল, পুরান মদ
নতুন মিডিয়া, পুরান মেসেজ
নতুন চেহারা, মাগার পুরান গলাবাজি
Sajeeb Wazed Joy and his handlers appear to be escalating their campaign to gain some fake legitimacy for their boy who, having spent so many years in the loving bosom of the West, suddenly seems to have decided that desher jonogon now need his wise counsel and leadership.
The story so far:
- There was that stage-managed homecoming tour of Bangladesh that he did a while ago.
- There is the widely spread meme which his party has been floating that Joy has been “selected” as one of 250 young global leaders by the World Economic Forum. I will be looking at this a bit more closely in a moment.
- Finally, there is this online blog that he has started and which has already created considerable buzz in the Bangladeshi blogosphere. The blog is only too obviously another step in his campaign to ramp up his currently non-existent credibility. So what has he been doing with this blog? He’s been dissembling from the very beginning, praising Awami League for imaginary good practices and vainly defending it against charges of pandering to the mullahs. His second post made the risible claim that Awami League is a party that practises democracy within its ranks, his third post made the equally far-fetched claim that his party did not really sell its soul to the fatwa-mongers back in December. I guess we, the mukkho-shukkho jonogon, just dreamed it all up.
Joy, please quit with the contorted explanations. It is so early in the day, and already you are embarrassing yourself in your blog. Let me state this categorically:
The day that you and Tarek Zia permanently quit the Bangladeshi political scene cannot come soon enough.
It is high time that the Sheikh family and the Zia family stopped treating 150 million people like a bunch of infants, in the deluded and self-serving belief that the country cannot be governed by anyone else, that Bangladesh should only ever be governed by some thoroughly underachieving scion of these corrupt and discredited families. *passage deleted*
What’s with this WEF thing?
Coming back briefly to the WEF meme, this link (warning - pdf file) mentions that Joy was a nominee for the Young Global Leaders thing. It doesn’t say anywhere who nominated him or whether he actually won anything in the end.
My guess is that Awami League put him forward as a nominee to WEF in the hope that desher lok would not question this any further, so that they could sell this inconclusive, dubious honour to us fools and idiots, thereby building up some fake cred, some fictitious aura of achievement when in reality there is no achievement to speak of. (It reminds me of Rajiv and Rahul Gandhi’s successful attempts to hoodwink the Indian population, fake degrees from Cambridge and all the rest of that sordid story.)
Indeed, when you check Joy’s entry, you don’t see anything against his name that would mark him out as a Global Leader of anything. All it says is that he is a “stakeholder” in the “political” arena. I leave it to the readers of this blog to figure out what he has done in the political arena to be called a “stakeholder”. Just above his name, there is Jimmy Wales, co-founder of Wikipedia. Just below him there is George Weah, legendary footballer with AC Milan and Liberia, and further down a Chinese professor of the natural sciences at Harvard. And then we have Joy whose “achievement” is that he is a “Member of Awami League”.
Smells like a damned setup to me.
I have nothing personal against Joy. I’m sure he’s a perfectly pleasant chap in real life. I just don’t want to see Bangladesh being reduced to a hereditary dynasty again. Even India has successfully shaken off that dirty label thanks to the generous decision of Sonia Gandhi to step aside. So today you have a situation where India is run by top technocrats, people whose competence and patriotism are beyond doubt. Under the able leadership of Manmohan and Chidambaram, the country is justifiedly on its way to national glory. Whereas we are stuck with Tarek and Joy, the latter a person who hasn’t even lived in Bangladesh during the entirety of his adult life, and who thinks he can now just parachute himself in as the Saviour, the Messiah of the nation. Who will tell him that just because his grandpa was called Sheikh, he has no such right???
No more Juboraj culture

In the end, we only have our immature political culture to blame. You see BNP posters with three pictures in the top corner – Zia, Khaleda and Tarek, a new Holy Trinity - “in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Madam.”
And what do we see on AL posters? Juxtaposed pictures of Mujib and his daughter, and no doubt very soon they too will be joined by Joy, this absurd parachute artist, to form an alternate Holy Trinity. শালার দুর্ভাগা জাতি! That’s what I mean by immature political culture – the people swayed not by reason or arguments or cogent policy platforms, but instead shamelessly manipulated by the parties through use of these emotive connections, these naked tropes – Sheikh, Nouka, Zia, Dhaner Sheesh.
Joy, there’s a name for people such as yourself in your adopted homeland of the USA. That name is carpetbagger: “The term is used to describe outsiders attempting to gain political office or economic advantage, especially in areas (thematically or geographically) to which they previously had no connection. You have had minimal or no connection to the Bangladeshi nation from the time you left up until now - now when the question of dynastic succession comes up for the Awami League, and suddenly on cue, you oblige us and turn up to save the day.
Please stay where you are. The country has no need for wannabe উড়ে এসে জুড়ে বসা netas like you.
The opinions expressed here are the writer’s alone. They have no relation to DP’s position.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:49 pm
The problem is not dynastic politics par se, but the baggage that these people carry–the profound sense of entitlement for merely being related to a historical figure. True the role of Sk. Mujib and Ziaur Rahman in our independence struggle cannot be denied–but that does not entitle their progeny to leadership position any more than it is allright to put some one in jail for the crimes of his/her father.
They are so used to being surrounded by flattering self-seeking sychophants that they start having elevated sense of their being. This distorts their perception and makes them equate their opinion with that of the `people’. It takes a wise person to see beyond flattery and adulation or to see genuine points in a harsh criticims. It does not appear that Mr. Sajeb Wazed has that kind of wisdom. Mr. Tarek Zia is of course in a league all by himself.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:57 pm
Oh, I’m so glad for the disclaimer at the end of this post. Otherwise, DP’s “position” as an ardent supporter of AL might have been put at risk. In fact, I can barely believe that you’ve been allowed to post this bit of heresy. Shock, horror and assorted whatnot.
February 7th, 2007 at 6:31 pm
I don’t know why the author of the post is so vehemently against Joy. If it is about refuting the claims that he made in his blog, then it should be more to the point. If it is about blind accusation and a fundamentalist belief that a politician’s son cannot be politician, then I question the logic behind such a claim.
I believe you should judge a person by virtue of his deeds, not by virtue of his family. If Tareq Zia were honest, upright and visionary, could we still throw him away just because he’s the son of Zia ? If Joy wants to come to politics, he has every right to do so. We all have every right to vote for him or to reject him. Let the people decide what to do about him. If you don’t want dynasty in politics, go and convince the people against it. If you assume that Joy will be bad because Tareq is bad, that is no logic at all.
February 7th, 2007 at 7:00 pm
Well said, Timur.
We all should say a big “No” to family dynasty, but at the same time should not be carried away in our ‘josh’ so that we lose our resonings.
Sajeeb Wazed Joy has every right to be involved in politics. We cannot accuse of him of anything that he has not done. “What he would have done” is mere speculation and is not evidence.
But so far, in the little time he appeared in the blogosphere, I am sorry to say that he has shown neither the wisdom nor the integrity to be any different than his corrupted and traditional predecessors (AL-BNP-JAMAT-JP).
He said that now that he is a “Young Global Leader” (funny! so is Karan Johar) he felt that he should contribute his two cents in Bangladeshi politics.
He claims that there is democracy in the AL party (Ludicrous!).
He claimed (like Abdul Jalil and S. Hasina) that the MOU on fotwa will in fact promote secularism in Bangladesh (Outrageous!!
I am actually insulted by how he underestimates the the bloggers).
In all fairness to him, he did mention that he does not intend to run for office anytime soon and that he is just participating as a concerned citizen and spreading AL’s view. Fair enough.
If he wants to be a political leader, fine; there is a clear message for him “WORK FOR IT”. Prove your worth to the people of Bangladesh.
February 7th, 2007 at 7:09 pm
The author of this post isn’t vehemently anti-Joy. I would say he’s vehemently against un-qualified unelected members of the two political royal families of Bangladesh to be allowed to “lead” the country simply because of their birth into these families. The situation is wholly undemocratic and nepotistic. And I am in complete agreement with him.
Personally I’d rather see Islamists take over Bangladesh rather than have these clowns walk in and assume office and then walk out with billions of dollars simply because they are Zia’s or Mujib’s descendents.
February 7th, 2007 at 7:41 pm
I don’t know if any of you have read his blog. This is what he has to say about all this:
Quote-
“Some of you have criticized the dynastic trend in Bangladesh and suggested that I should follow Sonia Gandhi’s example and quit. Here’s what I have to say about that:
First of all, I have not decided to get involved in politics directly. I am perfectly happy being one of the members of civil society involved in bringing about a change for the better. The advantage I have is being in a unique position of having the backing of the largest political party in the country.
Bangladesh is supposed to be a democracy. It is not a kingdom and I am certainly not a prince. However, I am a citizen of Bangladesh. Any citizen of Bangladesh has the right to be involved in politics if he so chooses and run for office. If any of you want to run for Member of Parliament or even Prime Minister, go for it. No one, least of all me, is going to stop you. But, by the same token, I have every right be involved in politics, not because I am the grandson of the Father of the Nation and my mother was Prime Minster, but because I am an equal citizen.
Even if I do someday run for office, I’m not simply going to be crowned. I will have to stand for elections and it will be up to the people of the country to vote for me. If the majority wants me they will vote me in, if they don’t, they won’t. That is democracy in action.”
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February 7th, 2007 at 8:03 pm
Good. Then he should have the good sense to stand down and walk away. But of course he won’t. He’s going to step in and claim what is rightfully his birthright. And Bangladesh will let him because Bangladeshis’ are sentimentalists at heart with very short memories.
Come on people!
Just say NO TO DYNASTIC POLITICS.
February 7th, 2007 at 9:05 pm
Last fall there was this incredibly surreal period on the AL web site. The AL high command would call strike after strike. There would be the inevitable blood-letting on the streets. There would be the usual feigned outrage and then another round of violence would take place. Top ranking leaders would get the crap beaten out of them, and do you know what you would see on the AL web site? You would see this Joy character turning up at their bedsides in hospital for a photo-opp. In successive weeks you had Joy standing over these felled stalwarts looking ever so concerned and generally doing the Florence Nightingale bit. The principal focus of these photos on the AL site was not on people like Noor and Saber who had had their kidneys and heads panned in. Oh no. It was on Joy. So Z’s post above captures for me the limelight-hogging and carpet bagging that characterises Joy.
February 7th, 2007 at 9:09 pm
Jubayer How long you guys will play such step mother attitute. It seems I am corrupt
mean my opposition is corrupt. what a funny statement. Believe in the power of people.
Let me tell you one thing Al or Left parties even Joy did have the base, One
Yunus or any one could not have this power to reach there.I think ground should be level playing. Now we need to see how much Income tex return our Dr Yunus does submit in every year?
February 7th, 2007 at 9:40 pm
Relax, it’s a blog.
Boy, talk about being anal. Take a deep breath and take chill pill.
If you can write a blog, why can’t he?
February 7th, 2007 at 9:48 pm
After what Hasina has shown in past 10 YEARS, Sajeeb has no chance of winning if he stands claiming to be “Son of Hasina”.
But if he is clever, and stands as “grandson of Mujib” (as in his Blog), or “Jatir Nati!!” he might get disproportionate attention from public nostalgia and media, which will present itself as an UNFAIR advantage against candidates who may be superior to him, leading to a comparatively inferior leadership. That is the danger of dynasty politics.
If Sajeeb disowns himself entirely from Awami League, if he starts his own new party - and says “dont vote me for Mujib or Hasina connection” - and if he presents exceptional solutions and ideas, then I might be willing to look at his blogs (which is now AL-biased).
Otherwise I much prefer if he stays away from politics, and let the nation give opportunity to better leaders and direction.
KGazi
USA
February 7th, 2007 at 10:50 pm
One can not deny Sajib Wajed’s right to engage in politics just because he comes from a political family. At the same time one can not say that Sajib has no right to be a leader in Bangladesh just because he lived outside Bangladesh for a long period of time.
Well Fakhruddin Ahmed returned Bangladesh after 30 years of service in World Bank. He is now CA and we all welcomed him.
Sonia did not take Prime Minister’s job because she is Italian by birth and she faced strong opposition from BJP and other parties. However, Rahul has become MP and he is an important leader of Congress. May be one day he will be prime minister. Nobody can deny Rahul’s right to engange in politics.
February 7th, 2007 at 10:56 pm
For those who do not know yet, Joy’s blog is located at http://www.sajeeb.blogspot.com.
I would encourage people to visit the blog and read what he has to say, and then grill him on that. Why write a huge post here?
Anyone with a decent sense of civility, would first try a dialogue before emptying a bucketful of blames on someone - especially when the foundation of those blames are “what if” Joy was in power.
The disclaimer by DP at the end was extremely helpful in showing that DP is an ardent supporter of Awami League. I am sure such neutrality will not go unnoticed by the likes of Daily Star and Prothom Alo editors.
February 8th, 2007 at 1:15 am
There can be many arguments against Joy or Tarique, but the fact that he lived abroad cannot be one. Wake up folks, it’s 2007, stop acting like passports are yet to be invented.
February 8th, 2007 at 1:55 am
Couple of moths ago, I made some comment on this ‘Dynastic politics’ in a funny way in other forum. …
We got two ‘father’ figure in our short history, that one has somewhat managed to be called as ‘father of nation’ and has lil disappointment not being able to label his name on every piece of the nation. The other one is very unhappy not to be able to compete that level, but somehow managed to put his big ‘face’ in every public offices and what not, thanks to those ‘people’ who certainly not belongs to us by any means, but eat & drink their ‘adorsho’ days in and days out. Sadly both of ‘father’ has brutally killed, while their children ( people like us ) had no clue how to react, given the hostility and pain the children had to went through, but hoped for better days to come.
Then we got two ‘khalamma’ who came up for the ‘custody’ of the people ( orphan children ), but now both claim to be the ‘owner’ of this country and obviously cant even look at each other even while sitting side by side in public. Surprisingly both shout for ’sacrifice’ their life for ‘democracy’ and ‘people’, while people have to evacuate city & town, and stay ‘prison’ at own home, to make the ‘field’ free so that they can demonstrate their ‘democracy’ as well as ‘kingdom’ on the street. So once again we the people has no clue on what’s going on, but showing liking and disliking based on ‘chocolate’ that we got from them on our birthday etc..
Now we got two ‘abdul’ in position talking ‘peace’ for years, but yet to find the meaning of ‘peace’ and for ‘whom’. Is this ‘pace’ for those ‘father’? or is this for those ‘Khalamma’? or is this for those who eat & drink their ‘adorsho’? or is this even for these ‘abdul’? no clue at all! Don’t see a single word for us, the orphan children in their talking. But one thing we learned, nobody and nothing can be trust except their choice! No chief justice, no president, no system, no rules for that matter. Everything and everyone is questionable and biased, which or who don’t see their interest or talk or think otherwise. So obviously we the orphan children start to believe not to trust those ‘father’, ‘khalamma’ and of course these ‘abdul’, since growing up children always learn fast.
Finally we got two ‘prince’ ready in pipe to take over our ‘custody’, claiming they are the only future hope for us, the orphan children again! Their sacrifice and love towards democracy of kingdom is right on track, but yet we orphan children tend to believe it’s their pure love and concern towards us, and we feel so lucky and happy for that. Do we still need to show our liking and disliking based on their smile, color or fashion?
All these compare of above figure is totally meaningless, since we the orphan children are not the ‘idol’, and not in the picture! Since we learnt not to trust anyone or anything, we better grow up very fast, and focus on our own interest. Otherwise always there will be some people to take over our ‘custody’, claiming we are orphan children, and will go on through our coming generation. Needless to say that there are ‘other forces’ already exist by our side, looking for the suitable time and chance, to take us under the ‘custody’ of religious orphanage ( an instant example ).
February 8th, 2007 at 2:01 am
Naeem, living abroad is one thing but living and growing up outside Bangladesh from childhood is completely different thing.That is the case for Joy. Not only that Joy has been out of touch from the reality in Bangladesh. Just visiting Bangladesh once in a while does not put Joy or anyone in touch with reality on ground. And what a person or politician can worth without touch of reality in Bangladesh???
February 8th, 2007 at 2:16 am
I don’t give 2 hoots as to whether Joy does politics or not. But I will fight to the death the principle that every Bangali has an ABSOLUTE RIGHT to get involved in Bangladesh/West Bengal culture/politics/ma’e anything he wants, regardless of how long he has been “out” of the country.
Good thing you were not manning the gates when Yunus returned from teaching in US, or there would be no Grameen today.
More on this topic here:
http://www.drishtipat.org/blog/2007/01/17/diaspora-the-new-power/
February 8th, 2007 at 2:37 am
1. Does Joy want to take over AL?
As far as he claims, no. He is acting as a part of the civil society and a member of AL. He has every right for that and we have no reason to not take him on face value.
2. Should there be any issue if he runs for office from AL
That’s his natural right. No one should have any problem with it.
3. Should he get special treatment inside the party.
Absolutely not. That should be the crux of the argument.
4. In reality does he get special treatment?
Its clear from this statement he put in his latest entry. “Someone asked if I was the real Sajeeb Wazed. Yes, I am. I have not asked one of our people to put up a link on AL’s website, but check there in a few days. It’ll be up.”
Now ask yourself will an average Rahim, who is an AL member, get to have their website linked from AL.
5. Is it justified or fair to him to say that he would do the same things that Tareq Rahman did.
Absolutely not. There is a huge assumption here. Unlike Tareq, Joy’s educational background is very strong. Similarly, he has shown none of that tendencies to take advantage of her mother’s power when AL was in power from 96-01.
6. Advice to Joy:
If you want to join politics, do what Rahul Gandhi did. Start from the youth wing of the party and slowly go up. Stay out of the reach of the people who would want to put you in pedastal.
February 8th, 2007 at 2:44 am
Excellent write up, Asif. I fully support your views. This is what I call constructive criticism. I hope Joy sees your comment and think about it seriously.
February 8th, 2007 at 3:15 am
It seems a lot of us are blinded by hate. So far, from the posts above I see Wajeeb guilty of the following:
1. Being born into the family of Shiekh Hasina.
2. Starting a blog without our permission.
3. Having the audacity of commenting on our country’s situation in spite of being its citizen.
4. Being selected by WEF (even if proposed by someone else. I am sure WEF does not select whoever is proposed).
5. Defending his own mother.
6. Living abroad away from the politics of Bangladesh, finishing his education, and earning a decent living.
7. Candidly addressing controversies related to him joining or not joining politics.
If this is not prejudice, what is ?
I don’t know about Sajeeb running for office, I do hope none of the people who have been so bigoted and unreasonable in their hatred ever does.
Is this the kind of hatred and bigotry that can compel a group of people to take away a seven year old unarmed boy to the barrack and shoot him to death ? Is this the kind of logic that allows our constitution to be amended to prevent trial of those killers ?
My advice to those more competent people than Sajeeb, who want to run for office, please dive in, and if Mummy comes in to rescue Sajeeb, have faith in the people that they will be beside you. Who gave you the right to prevent another citizen of Bangladesh to join politics and run for office, whether it is Sajeeb, myself or my mother-in-law ?
Farhad
February 8th, 2007 at 3:18 am
I go back to shafiur’s comment (#9) which hits the nail on the head. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out why Joy is standing next to Saber and Noor in their hospital beds, getting his photo in the papers. He’s being primed for some position of high (very high) authority if and when Awami League can manage to get back to power again. Ours is still a very backward electorate, with simplistic notions of party politics and the vote-giving process. Voting is given not on the basis of principles or platforms, it’s given according to marka and dead neta. In this situation, Joy has only one identity - Sheikh’er naati, Hasina’s son - and thereby he has only one utility - to tug on that emotional connection and gain some votes. By what other authority is he standing next to those beaten-up leaders anyway?
And why is he coming back NOW? Why not 5 years ago, 10 years ago? or 5 years later? 10 years later? Easy answer - succession planning. And he is not going to succeed Razzak or Tofayel either. He’s here to succeed his mother, who is getting old and has no other heir, he’s being groomed to take over the reins of Awami League as and when his mother becomes too old and frail to keep on doing the job. He can spout all the platitudes he wants about being an “ordinary citizen” - frankly I don’t buy it.
February 8th, 2007 at 4:05 am
Zubaer, if you have ambitions of running for office, and I have no reason to doubt you do, just like you have no reason to doubt Sajeeb does, I suggest you come to the people for the mandate before deciding to speak on their behalf. A mere denial of your ambitions should not be enough, just as Sajeeb’s denials are not enough for you.
Farhad
February 8th, 2007 at 4:30 am
Thanks Farhad bhai, but ‘running for office’ in Bangladesh is principally a means to line your own pockets, not a means to serve the public. I’m feeling pretty happy with the current unelected government. Long may it prosper!
February 8th, 2007 at 4:41 am
Naeem, right to be in politics and wordiness as politician are completely different things. What I pointed out was Joy worthiness of being politician, which is up for debate. As for right, like any other Bangladeshi he has that. So dont twist facts and misled people.
Yunus came back home from US and serve people of Bangladesh at grass root level for over 30 years. He has proven track record about people welfare. And everyone knows how much and how many millions of Bangladeshis live uplifted by his work. So bringing Yunus into discussion about Joy is rather ludicrous. I don’t think anyone would buy Yunus reference for Joy.
February 8th, 2007 at 5:54 am
Sukarno’s daughter is in politics, so was Nehru’s daughter, Indira Gandhi. Both, in spite of their human failings, contributed much for their country. Give the guy a chance. That is, if he chooses to take up the challenge, which very few of us are willing to, inspite of our superiority and competence.
Someone wrote in Sajeeb’s blog that there is a natural tendency for an engineer’s son/daughter to want to become an engineer, a doctor’s to become a doctor. Why not a politician’s wanting to be a politician ?
Farhad
February 8th, 2007 at 6:02 am
I think it’s quite funny that the people getting all worried about the “Joy Invasion” are arguably helping his case with all this publicity! I only went and had a peak at his blog after reading this story. Although what he says about the outrageous KM deal is absolute rubbish and extremely disappointing, he most certainly comes across as someone you could have a reasonable chat with. How many politicians can you say that about?
He’s started a blog, it’s within his rights to do so. If you’re worried about him forcing his way into the Bangladeshi political arena don’t make his task easier by giving him so much importance!
February 8th, 2007 at 6:14 am
First of all Thanks Asif and Farhad Bhai for the valuable comments which you have mentioned.
Basically First I want to ask you Jubayer what is the
Definition of Dynasty ? what is the definition of culture? and what is the Definition of Tradition? After departure of BangaBandhu Malek Ukil, Mijan Chowdhury were the leader ship of Al but party could not Run.Same Dr Kamal, Tufael Ahmed, Razzak
all brought Sheikh Haseena from Delhi
what happened to the Congress in 90s ? when Narshima Rao or Sitram keshri was leading Congress we came to hear Congress (tiwari), Congrss(Arjun) etc which were divided long time back. But Same Gandhi family came for the rescue. same thing is applicable for Benojir Bhutto. These Families are become the symbol of the Unity of party. With out Nehru Family you can’t write the history of India . With outh Sheikh family It is impossible for the Bangladesh. Can we deny King Bhumibol of Thailand still today.
Now why common people like me even fan of those families because they could make their
family Branded.
Even Zia Family . Still BNP is investing the name of Zia in the politics. Actually I Feel
even Root level BNP workers still worried about Tareq for his Rescue. But why? They also want
Babar, Abbas, SK chwodhury, Milan etc might go under Judgment; because he is son of their party founder. Still every one of them is waiting for the final Decision of khaleda. Can we erase Name of General Ershad from Bangladesh politics. Al still does have the leader ship but BNP and JP are simply Zero without zia and Ershad.
Basically Families like Bangabandhu, Nehru or Bhutto could reach the root of the people and people also want to see their next generation in the politics.
Because it is for the symbol of unity.and Let me tell you one thing Those families have more affection than us for their own country because their founders have dedicated their life for the country.
and Joy does have a very strong family back ground not only from his mother side but also from his Father’s side as well.. So we should welcome him . best part he has published his blog. and He wants to express his opinion to we common people. He also does not need to make friendship with any Giyash Mamun for his business .
So It does not matter Jubayer what you are thinking. Don’t Expect your own opinion will be the same as others
M Amin can you tell me how much you are personally benefited on the work of Yunus?
and how do you know Joy can’t do any thing for the country?
what’s the age of Joy? and what’s the age of Yunus?
Basically Yunus has Got Nobel price fine but that does not mean you start to insult other people.
why did Yunus make himself controversial himself in front of other people?He has got the peace price for Nobel. where was his voice during the last rule of BNP. Today when CTG was taking every corrupt leaders
into the Jail same Yunus was giving clean chit to Iaj uddian and speaking about the impotence of Election. Now he starts to tell CTG should take time for the election . why this double standard. Basically I Feel our elite class is basically Anti Al from the very beginning. They did have always a very soft corner for the anti Al force. and basically BNP is anti Al and every one likes this party so much and why anti Al because
there is somewhere some soft corner is existed for the old colonial days of East pakistan. But we had an Intellectual class like Kabir Chowdhury, Shamsur Rahman, Sufia Kamal, Jahanara Emam, Humaun Azad, shahriar Kabir, Muntasir Mamun, Abdul Gaffar Chowdhury, Abed Khan, ABM Musa, Wahidul Haqe who did have a very enlighten mind and really loved this country. Present elite Class is more business minded and watch the interest. They are More pressure group. They have news paper, Tv channels every thing which our
old intellect even could not think.
This class is opportunist as well. so the expectation and advantage which they can get from the BNP could not be possible from Al.
But Alas! Last BNP has done so much worst thing
there is no scope to speak on favor of them. I just wonder If Al did the same thing as BNP has done in last five years what happened to them?
Now what’s the solution. by hook or by crook
measure Al and BNP in same stone.
If Tareq is punished for his all five years activities why should we leave Joy even he did not have any relationship to hawa bhavan.
Joy should be punished also for the Vice of Tareq. Because he is son of shiekh haseena,
Grand son of Banga Bondhu.
Any one can go to the power but AL should not. and all these Yunus, sushil shomaj etc
is born just to stop Al If they even get people’s mandet.
Thanks
Tanoy
February 8th, 2007 at 6:24 am
Being born on 16/12/71 my father decided to call me Sheik Mojid that is the only link I have with Bangladeshi politics. I must admit your web site is great. I hate the fact that a country with such potential as Bangladesh is held back by these political Dynasties.Living all my life in the UK I find it hard to like anything about Bangladeshi politics.One day Bangladesh will be set free of its greedy corrupt Politicians and government officials and that day will be a rebirth of a nation with a great future its people deserve.
February 8th, 2007 at 7:00 am
It’s sad to see him defending the Khelafat Majlish deal. It’s the biggest mistake AL has made in years.
February 8th, 2007 at 7:16 am
The guy is open for dialogue. Why not challenge him with all this ? If we are too scared to do that, overwhelmed with awe, one can always post comments as ‘Anonymous’, as many are already doing. He is certainly no larger-than-life human being.
Farhad
February 8th, 2007 at 8:04 am
This is hypocrisy or what? And this is a direct query I would like to register with Asif Saleh. In the past DP censored one of my posts [since then I decided not to blog for this blog anymore, however, was convinced that it was a collectively taken editorial decision] because that could be seen as partisan, political propaganda. Understood. Now, what eats me: if I was censored to publish a post that could slander Tarique Rahman [and it was just a YouTube video] how come this very post is now online?
Now, verbatim from the DP comment posting rules:
Thank you for appreciating my humble contribution to this blog. Also, I am always feeling good about being a member of DP in Dhaka.
Now, to cite two of the rules:
Respect others. We don’t want contributions that are abusive, threatening, obscene, harassing, or racist.
No personal attacks. Don’t make blanket accusations against private individuals…. if you have to, substantiate it with proper citations.
http://www.drishtipat.org/blog/dp-comment-posting-rules
Excellent. And then how are you going to defend this?
1. This very post that is hysterically based on personal attacks [and some other comments that follows].
2. “Tasneem Khalil is a biased onesided comments really give and show his credibility of a journalist. Now a days any tom dick and harry can be a editor or a journalist.”
http://www.drishtipat.org/blog/2007/01/25/camouflage-efforts/#comment-70586
Wow! My DP comrades always jumping in time and again to defend Dr. Kamal or Yunus or Fakhruddin and then this personal attack on me — a DP member — goes unchallenged and more important: unmoderated.
Now, whip cream on the coffee:
http://www.drishtipat.org/blog/2007/01/29/we-are-disconnected-please-raise-your-voice/#comment-73131
a. I think DP owes me a personal explanation.
b. DP readers need a clarification whether DP blog is still a human rights platform or not. Whether DP blog has decided to become a pro-third force, pro-CTG, pro-Yunus propaganda machine or not.
February 8th, 2007 at 8:23 am
How are you Tasneem? It is nice to see you after a long time in this Blog. So you deidcate yourself in full time This Jornalism.
Hope you can recognise me . mail me at
tanoy@technodimension.biz. All the best
February 8th, 2007 at 8:27 am
And also:
As discussed and decided in the past, using photos and cartoons with “no attribution, no permission, nothing” is “pretty serious copyright violation and “sets a bad precedent.”
“We need to be absolutely explicit about copyright sourcing as we have had some serious trouble very recently on this issue. If permission has been taken, all it needs a single line to be added to the post making that explicit.”
February 8th, 2007 at 9:27 am
I don’t see a problem in being involved in politics even if my parents are politicians. Every citizen of the country, regardless of his/her parent’s political identity, has the right to join and CLIMB UP the ladders of party leadership. The problem is, in our country, family members DO NOT climb up….rather, in some cases, have a tendency to go down!
February 8th, 2007 at 9:48 am
Tasneem,
Calm down. You seem very upset. I’d appreciate if we take this offline after this response as this is an internal matter that can be handled internally. Before we go into your accusation, I should say that we have been debating in the dp admin team, the impact of blog on the larger organization. As blog is smaller part of the org, it has been increasingly becoming the face of dp causing confusion among the readers. Hence we decided consciously to decouple the blog from the org. Hence, going back to the original name “Unheard Voices” and clear disclaimer on the side bar and a few more steps to follow. Now coming to your accusation.
1. Inconsistency between post that we took out that may have been dimmed partisan and this one.
Tareq Rahman post that you did and we took out referred to a party prepared youtube clip. In the heady violent days of November, we were similarly being bombarded by clips of logi-boitha. We did not want to be in a position where we became a platform for party prepared propaganda campaign. If you had an original post with your write ups about Tareq Rahman, we would not have any problem. and yes, it was a collective decision by the admin team.
2. This post violates the dp policy against personal slander.
I beg to disagree. This post makes a general comment about political dynasty and refers to both Tareq and Joy. If you refer to the portion where he question Joy’s credibility against some of the other winners for the WEI entry, I don’t think that is considered a slander. Since he won the award as a politician from Bangladesh, it can be rightfully argued what has been his contribution towards Bangladeshi politics and his other achievements. If any of the editors does have a problem with it, than they can raise it and we can review it. So far, no one has.
3. Slander against you allowed to go through.
Absolutely a valid point and this has slipped through and we apologise for that but immediately after it happened, offline we warned the specific commenter to be put into the banned list and subsequently he has stopped posting comment in this blog. You all know who that person is.
4. DP readers need a clarification whether DP blog is still a human rights platform or not.
I assume you need the clarification. Then I humbly suggest you read the side banner of the main page where it states.
“Unheard Voices” is a Drishtipat initiative that provides an interactive online platform to stimulate dialogue among the young generation of Bangladesh. As a community blog, it is designed to enrich our understanding and broaden our perspective on various issues by bringing together contributors with diverse experiences, opinions and viewpoints. Users are invited to share their insights on current affairs and issues of interest to Bangladeshi youth.
So it is not just a platform to discuss human rights issue. Rather it should be obvious from the categories we have in the blog which includes things like “striding forward”, “Bangla diaspora”, “Our Heroes”, “Politics Unusual” etc. HR issues are discussed the category of “Rights as we don’t know it”.
5. Whether DP blog has decided to become a pro-third force, pro-CTG, pro-Yunus propaganda machine or not.
Well, each contributor has their own opinion on this issue and they are quite diverse as has been shown in the postings of the past few days. None of the posts can be taken as a dp stand as they are the opinion of the individual contributors. Since you are making a blanket accusation, I suggest you go through the archives of February to see whether you allegation has any validity. It may surprise you.
http://www.drishtipat.org/blog/2007/02/page/2/
6. Your contribution to DP.
I had no idea that you stopped associating with this blog. Would have been nice to let us know. But as mentioned before we appreciate the 25 posts that you made over the period of past two years of the blogs existence.
Lastly, I should make a point that all of us do this on a free time on a voluntary basis. So expecting professional quality moderating and editorship would be a mistake. There is always room for error. But questioning the intentions to be malafide would be unwarranted. If you want full proof comment moderation, then we have to sacrifice on the speed. But I think the major attraction of blogs are its rapid responsiveness. So hopefully all of you would appreciate it. I also think if we had been biased toward any party or side, then the blog, a relatively new medium in the Bangali medium, would not have seen such steady rise in readership. The diverseness of the contributors is what makes it rich. Hopefully you would understand.
February 8th, 2007 at 10:10 am
I hope that Asif Bhai’s apology helps a little. In addition, while it may be cold comfort, I just wanted to point out that the personal attack on Tasneem Khalil did not go unchallenged and was defended in Post 21 of the Camouflage Efforts thread. Justifiably so.
February 8th, 2007 at 10:20 am
Asif&Tasneem I don’t know as an outsider If i should pass comment or not but what I feel blog is almost like a public forum. So your organizational internal matters should not be exposed like that to we outsiders.I believe
DP is a very good platform of various opinions.
In every post I myself is having difference of opinion with lot but debate and every thing is very sportingly. I don’t know Much about DP. and I was surfing this site even less than two months. DP is the Platform where I have got the most updated news seating in Singapore. I thoroughly enjoyed
The “WE ARE DISCONNECTED” of Rumi Bhai and He has pointed it beautifully on the point of Human needs.I am a professional not Human right worker. But I felt Rumi Bhai did fantastic thing to raise the complete picture of the industry.
. As I am In Telecom Industry I know how much large impact This post does have .later news paper like Manab Jamin and Janakantha published it and Today High court has declared the judgment on Favor of Lifting Up
Bindings of License for VOIP(Source:BD NEWS) I know very well This verdict is the mile stone for Bangladesh Telco Industry.
“NRB could not speak to their relatives in home”. It was also the part of human rights. and you did it with great manners from Various posting. As an outsider
I wish DP all the best and Hope you guys will work your best to move DP to next level.
Regards
Tanoy
February 8th, 2007 at 10:39 am
Amin, let me be clear.
1. I don’t care whether Joy is in politics or not (won’t make much difference to us, from evidence of his KM defense)
2. I was not comparing Joy to Yunus (only giving example of someone who went back).
The only thing I reacted to is people saying his tenure abroad disqualifies him.
I will fight to the death the principle that every Bangali has an ABSOLUTE RIGHT to get involved in Bangladesh/West Bengal culture/politics/business, regardless of how long (s)he has been “out” of the country.
Another example: Khalid Quadir lived lot of his life abroad and then came back and within 2 years had started Grameen Phone in collaboration w/ Grameen Bank & outside investors. I am glad no one blocked his entry into business because “he lived abroad”.
February 8th, 2007 at 10:40 am
So:
If someone has been living abroad, he or she cannot do politics in Bangladesh.
He or she cannot blog.
Awami League apparently is so powerful that they can influence World Economic Forum’s selections!
I am surprised Zubaer did not say that since his wife is American, he cannot join politics
February 8th, 2007 at 10:45 am
I would like to address comment #2 ‘DP’s “position” as an ardent supporter of AL might have been put at risk”. I think you’re missing the point here. DP is not an “ardent supporter” of AL, BNP or any other political party. DP members may have a party preference but Drishtipat as an organization is not affiliated with or supportive of any specific political party.
February 8th, 2007 at 10:49 am
DP’s first project was fundraising for journo Tipu Sultan, whose arms were allegedly crushed by Joinal Hazari, one of the goons who came up during AL gov’t.
At the time AL folks called DP “BNP er dalal”.
Then came BNP and DP kept speaking out about hr abuses, and became “Al er dalal”.
Actually, we are Bangladesh er dalal.
February 8th, 2007 at 11:41 am
Ummm…there seems to be confusion, so I will clarify. DP has been accused of favouring political parties on numerous occasions on the blog. The word position was put in quotes to signify the sarcasm of my remark in post #2 as I am well aware that DP is not affiliated with or supportive of any political parties. That Zubaer could post what some will consider anti-AL propaganda on a site that has also posted on BNP’s shortcomings is testament to the fact that his opinions or political preferences (and the two may well be mutually exclusive) do not govern the organisation as a whole.
February 8th, 2007 at 12:01 pm
Zubaer may not have said it, but other people have said it elsewhere.
Arguments about place of abode, passport or partner’s ethnicity/religion are pure parochialism.
Some people want to go back to the age of closed borders and no passports. I don’t.
Again, I don’t give two hoots about Joy going into politics. It’s the principle I’m defending.
February 8th, 2007 at 12:06 pm
A constructive debate is important even if it goes against somebody’s ego. Asif was absolutely right in bringing this matter up and most of us do agree that dynasty tradition should end. There are die-hard AL supporters like Tanoy would be making few one-sided arguments, but most of the neutral readers of these blogs can surely ignore those. There is no reason for Tasneem to get emotional. This is an open forum and probably for non-jounalists who do not often get it convenient to publish their biased minds in the print media.
I would like to reiterate Tania Moin’s comment (#28)on Joy.
February 8th, 2007 at 12:17 pm
naeem, I’m sure you’ll defend your principle to the death etc etc, but that wasn’t really the point of the post.
The post was specifically against dynastic politics and against the particularly sterile Bangladeshi variant of it. That Joy is being parachuted in just in time to replace Sk Hasina (possibly over the next 5-10 yrs) is an observation I’m going to stand by. You may not agree with it - it’s a free country. Once again, my post is against dynasties. If you choose to skew it towards borderless worlds etc etc, let that be your choice.
February 8th, 2007 at 1:28 pm
Zubaer, I wasn’t trying to skew your post (do you really think my little blog comment is that powerful– relax). I was simply responding to some of the comments that seemed to suggest that his (or anyone’s) foreign tenure is what disqualifies them.
That’s all.
As for dynasties, you have a short memory. I have written extensively against both AL and BNP.
http://www.drishtipat.org/blog/2006/12/25/hasinas-ulu-dhoni-moment/
February 8th, 2007 at 1:34 pm
Post#33
Tasneem the above comments on that post was solely by me Kawser Jamal.DP should not be blamed for this as they have nothing to do with that comments.
I still defend my comments on the biased onesided news on that article by you but I am apologetic to the personal attack on you that I brought on by saying any body could be an editor or journalist.
Again you know where to find me as the other million NRB’s. I am a open book any one can read me,but just for convinience
Kawser Jamal
505 Nan circle
Little rock Ar 72211
email: Kawserjamal@yahoo.com
tel:501-255-2814.
I will be in Bangladesh pretty soon if you want to take this further lets arrange a press conference and I would defend my saying about that biased news no matter who is in power than in Bangladesh let it be AWL or BNP or CTG or Yunus. Like you there are thousand more people who would like to take Kawser Jamal down when he is in Bangladesh and I am all ready to for it. Kawser Jamal has the guts to call spade a spade doesn’t matter if the spade is Khaledah.Hasian,Tarique,CTG or Yunus or CPD or Sushil Samaj. Wrong is wrong doesn’t matter who stand for it.
thanks
Kawser Jamal
http://www.changeBangladesh.com
February 8th, 2007 at 2:02 pm
Let’s not split hairs on this issue any more. I think everybody more or less agrees on most of the points made in this thread. Many bloggers have nicely brough home the taking points. Now we are just getting caught in the semantics and ruminating trifles.
Time to move on…
February 8th, 2007 at 3:18 pm
The write-up on Joy seems like an emotional outburst to me and not ‘to the point’ at all. As far as I remember Joy had mentioned a number of times that although he wants to help his mother’s campaign in the next election, he has no plans to join Bangladeshi politics. Still, comments like, “You and Tarek are peas in a pod, Tarek’s only fault being that he got there ahead of you and had 10 years’ extra practice in crime and corruption. Had you been in the country too, I have little doubt that you would have acquitted yourself just as dishonourably.”, are baseless.
Intelligent people like you all may not like dynasty rule in politics, but we have to admit that our mukhyo-shukhyo jonogon of the subcontinent like it. If Indira Gandhi’s two sons Rajiv and Sanjay did not die a premature death, it would have been a whole different picture in Indian politics today.
Joy hasn’t appeared as a villain in Bangladeshi politics like some of his couterparts and it’s way too early to predict that he ever will. His blog could very well be attempts to help his mother in the upcoming election which is perfectly understandable. No matter how disappointing it may seem to the highly intelligent jonogon, I, for one, see absolutely no reason for such an outburst and personal attacks on him.
Lopa
February 8th, 2007 at 5:10 pm
The tirade against dynasties in BD politics is understandable, keeping in view the not so positive role played by a certain wife and a daughter.
But in keeping with democratic principles, we cannot - indeed should not, try to keep some people out of political contention for whatever role their parties nominate them for.
Needless to say, even in the US we have political dynasties. The factor of name (and brand recognition) is not alien to established democracies. There are many countries where such tendencies have existed in the past and are prevalent even currently. Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, Indonesia and Azerbaidjan are only a few of the many countries where this system is in vogue.
I think what we really want is to create a electoral system backed by appropriate legal framework that would keep the illiterate, the corrupt and the dishonest people away from attaining public office. After that, it should be up to the common people who they want to vote for.If we start to preclude this guy or that based on our personal likes and dislikes without appropriate legal basis, we are not talking about democracy.
As for Joy, I must commend his guts for deciding to face the public in an open forum. It gives us a chance to ask him questions and analyze his responses. It would at least give us an opportunity to understand him as an individual, as a potential leader.
Personally, I am not familiar with any of his actions that would disqualify him as a future leader. IF there are any, let’s all hear about them.
February 8th, 2007 at 6:41 pm
Rights of Bangalis abroad (to return or to participate) is the only part of this thread that I found relevant. Rest of it is usual AL vs BNP stuff.
Dr. Kamal just gave a statement on voting rights:
http://thedailystar.net/2007/02/09/d70209060169.htm
February 8th, 2007 at 7:49 pm
Personally, I am not familiar with any of his actions that would disqualify him as a future leader. IF there are any, let’s all hear about them.
Conversley, nor is anyone familiar with any of his actions that qualify him as a future leader. At least not yet. Unless we include the fact that he was suckled at his mother’s breasts. Same applies to Tareq Zia.
And Naeem, looks like you missed the whole point of the article. This has nothing to do with voting rights! Zubaer’s article wasn’t yet another BNP vs Awami League missive. Rather, it was a call for the rejection of Awami-BNP dynastic entitlement to priministerial office.
Asif’s comment at #20 is right on the money.
February 8th, 2007 at 8:49 pm
We can’t say that Joy can’t run in general election in Bangladesh. H has the right to be part of Bangladesh politics, but he has to bring new things to the table for Bangladesh if he wants to win. Familiy recongnition won’t be matter anymore in Bangladesh I hope.
February 8th, 2007 at 11:00 pm
Sposhtobadi what makes you to Reach in decision
” most of us do agree that dynasty tradition should end?.”
As I am watching in here Maximum BLOGGERS have
difference of opinion with Zuber. Forum is open . But It is not right to read other’s opinion as Yours.Basically I did not Find any logic of Tanseem to attack Asif. Regarding Cartoons and all I think there is no Copy right act in Bangladesh. Other wise all those soft ware CDs are not sold in open market of Bangladesh. I think Tanoy speaks from his point of view and You are also speaking from your point . So to declare any one sided may not be fair.
February 9th, 2007 at 8:42 am
I don’t necessarily think that people are disagreeing with the problem of dynastic politics. And it has been a problem. And unfortunately, may well continue to be so as we Bangalis really are an emotional lot. The issue here is that the rather valid point got clouded by what was essentially a personal attack against Joy, which is something that I’m sure DP Admin. will be looking into. To say that Joy would do the same as Tareque Zia is nothing but unfair speculation and no, I don’t know Joy personally (and no, I’m not pro-AL or any other party). I do, however, know Zubaer, which is why I refrained from addressing the content of this post, for the most part. It is because I know Zubaer that I considered the post an emotional rant, but many of the other people here did not have the background knowledge to treat this post as the snapshot (as opposed to the comprehensive story) that it was. There is nothing wrong with having an opinion, but drivel, no matter how eloquently put, is still drivel (and I don’t mean the entire posting….I think Zubaer can write quite well when he really wants to). And so obsessed are we with having more and more political opinion on the DP blog, that we really are distracting people from the good things about Bangladesh, or opinions on other matters or on DP activities. How many people posted comments on Deshantori or the DP video? And here we are getting our knickers in a twist over Joy who hasn’t actually done anything yet (except for his defence of the whole MOU business, which really is disturbing). Will he, won’t he be the answer to our prayers/the plague that curses all our houses? I don’t bl**dy well know, so I’m going to wait until I do before I start shouting about it from the nearest blog. And Zubaer was the first to remind us to exercise caution when people were swooning over the head of the new CTG. I hope for a better post from Zubaer in the near future that isn’t going to elicit comments for the sake of comment. Surely he won’t disappoint (again).
Oh, btw, no bloggers were hurt during the writing of this post. Also, DP has no biases towards or against bloggers, emotional people and the cautionally-challenged.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:48 am
One factor is being overlooked, Joy has an American wife and I would like to know if our Constitution allows some0ne with Foreign wife to become the Leader of the Party,MP, Minister and specially the PM of the country.
In India Sonia=Gandhi, inspite of the fact that gradually she became most popular in Politics and pioneered Congress from Zero level to its peak height of Victory, couldnt become the Prime Minister in the face of hard opposition and finally had to step aside and make Manmohan Singh the PM; Rahul and Priyanka r still at learning stage and hasnt yet become even the most senior in the Party;but they r being groomed for that.
I would appreciate if anybody couild give some input on this matter.
February 9th, 2007 at 12:44 pm
For ur kind info Phantom, Hussain Shaheed Suhrawardy’s wife was a British, and yet he became the PM of Pakistan. Iajuddin’s first wife is American, yet he became te president of BD. Sonia Gandhi herself was a born Italian, stiill she could be the PM if she had opted to go for it. The people of India had chosen her as the leader. She herself didn’t want to become a PM because she wanted to be above controversy. There was no incident such as “finally had to step aside” in her case, it was her voluntary move.
February 9th, 2007 at 1:56 pm
Reply to #59, I repeat what I said in #40
Arguments about a person’s partner’s ethnicity/religion is parochialism.
February 9th, 2007 at 1:57 pm
Sid, I didn’t “miss” the point of the article. I responded to the comments section of this entry, where people made arguments that american tenure, american wife, etc as ADDITIONAL reasons to disqualify someone. That’s all I responded to.
February 9th, 2007 at 3:01 pm
Just for the record not a single person above made any comments about disqualifying someone based on who he/she is married to. Phantom posed a question whether there was anything in the constitution barring people who are married to people from other nationality. The argument was, however, on whether dual citizenship or residency in Bangladesh should be requirement for seeking office in Bd.
February 9th, 2007 at 3:27 pm
Asif, people here have not, but it has come up before. There was another blog discussion after Joy’s big “homecoming”, and somebody wrote “or tho bideshi bou, o ki rajnithi korbe?”…this was not on DP, elsewhere.
February 9th, 2007 at 3:38 pm
I don’t agree with a lot of things in this blog post – but like So (comment # 55) I have had the privilege of knowing Zubaer personally and thought I’d just discuss with him personally and not in the blog.
But then I read Sajeeb’s own rebuttal (through his blog) on some of the accusation/inquisition put in this thread, and thought I’d share that with you:
Excerpt from Sajeeb’s blog::
I noticed posts about why I was on TV visiting our people in hospitals (yes, Drishtipat, I’ve checked out your blog.) The reason being that you are now aware of what happened. My going there brought the TV cameras and you got to see first hand how brutally our leaders were injured by the police. And no, the people lining the streets on my arrival weren’t stage managed. I told Kristine to expect a thousand or two party activists. No one expected that hundreds of thousands of people would come out of their offices and apartments to see me. The same thing happened even in Bogra. I think the whole town turned out to see me! We certainly couldn’t have stage managed that in Tarek Rahman’s home town.
February 9th, 2007 at 4:22 pm
Joy’s latest post is encouraging. He admits two faults of AL, 1. Not being able to curb corrpution as much as they should have done, 2. Not being able to take measure against the criminals while in power. In the previous post, although he tried to do some hand waving arguments in favor of the MoU, he also reiterated his strong stand against any new law based on religion. It seems like he is learning from our criticism, which is of course a good sign.
February 9th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
Comment 26. M. Amin:
“….right to be in politics and worthiness as politician are completely different things. What I pointed out was Joy worthiness of being politician…”
Just a thought. How about people deciding his ‘worthiness’, or is it they are not worthy of it ?
Farhad
February 9th, 2007 at 5:12 pm
It is indeed very encouraging that our potential leaders (like Joy) are not only blogging themselves but are following what is being said on a forum like Drishtipat.
This brings a new sense of dynamics and understanding into our political system. It is a modern day version of presenting our applications (araz nama)to the rulers of yester years. This is not to suggest by any means that Joy should be treated as a crown prince but we must not ignore the fact that he can put in a word where it matters most.
The comments by Mr. Farhad are a little confusing. How does one determine the “worthiness” of an individual for a political position. Was George Bush worthy? I am sure people have different ideas about that.
In a democracy the ballot box is the sole indicator of one’s “worthiness”. If the public votes for an individual, he is deemed to be “worthy”. Society of course has the right to put constraints as to who can participate in an election. For instance, it may specify that the individual has to be a graduate or, it may require that he should not have a criminal record. But beyond that one person’s “worthy” may be considered as absolutely “unworthy” by the next guy.
As for comments by Sid Aurthur (# 55),I would say that it is a purely rhetorical question. I am not familiar with many politicians in the sub-continent who had a long list of achievements to boast of, before they ventured into the political arena. Rajeev Gandhi, Benazir Bhutto, Khaleda Zia - all were practically blank slates before they attained power. However, they all had a head start because of name recognition. And that won’t go away - even in the US. Hillary and Jeb Bush will probably end up as presidents within the next 15 years. Although, I must state that they do have records to show their worth.
In the case of Bangladesh, name recognition is even more important because those of us who argue about such things either live overseas or form a miniscule percentage of the total voters.
February 9th, 2007 at 5:49 pm
Rezaul Kareem: My views on “worthiness” are exactly as yours. Perhaps my mild sarcasm and cryptic ness clouded the essence.
Thank you for bringing more clarity into it.
Farhad
February 9th, 2007 at 5:59 pm
After reviewing the article with the admin, blogger has removed one passage which may have been construed as an unwarranted personal attack on Mr. Sajeeb Wajed. We are sorry about any misunderstanding.
February 9th, 2007 at 7:13 pm
Farhad, people who decides worthiness are people who vote. And to get enough vote candidate has to prove his or her worthiness. For example Dr. Yunus, he has done lots of good work for people at grassroot level. He knows what these people needs and how to change their life. He has proven his worthiness as candidate through his work for people and people will vote for him (if he choose to run). This is standard practice in democracy.
You ask yourself or those who like to see Joy as candidate, what he has done at grassroot level? What is the reason lets say a farmer in Rangpur would vote for him? Remember family identity is should not be the cause, that is something we are trying to get away from.
February 9th, 2007 at 7:20 pm
To Asif and Naeem, now that you have surveyed public opinion (although censored) on be half of Daily Star, when would we start seeing article bashing Joy – Tareq dynasty?
February 9th, 2007 at 7:44 pm
Exactly my point, M. Amin. Aren’t we jumping the gun a little bit ? Why not leave it to the people ? Although you may have every reason to think you are speaking for them, I am not convinced, as I haven’t yet seen anywhere they allowed you to do that. This is standard practice in democracy.
Farhad
February 9th, 2007 at 11:24 pm
As mentioned above, I have taken out the most inflammatory part of the post because of concerns expressed. Nonetheless I stand by my general position that power corrupts and power in Bangladesh corrupts far more quickly than most. Protests to the contrary notwithstanding, I don’t see why Joy would be immune to this rule. We have yet to see a politician in Bangladesh who is not tainted with greed and graft when he/she reaches the throne.
And colour me skeptical - but Joy is surely reaching for that throne. The entire timing of Joy’s comeback smacks of Succession Planning - he is being gradually insinuated back into the political system not to replace Tofayel or Amu or Jalil or Nasim - no, he’s being brought back in the long-term to replace Sheikh Hasina as the head of Awami League, possibly a 5- to 10-year project. In the meantime, he and his minions can deny it until they’re blue in the face, which of course they would - but I’m sure time will tell.
Obviously many people are perfectly alright with him being involved in domestic politics, as they are perfectly within their rights to be. From the comments thread of his blog, one can see how quickly it turns into a forum for expressing star-struck adulation - reminds me of the gola’e mala porano segment that is a must-have for any political meeting in Bangladesh. Also shows just how much we have learnt. The blue-eyed boy from abroad, the son of Hasina has deigned to have a dialogue with the masses, so naturally we must be jumping to show our receptivity to his message.
What it says, at least partly, is that when it comes to Hereditary Dynasties, there is often little difference between the attitudes of the illiterate and the educated. These parties PLAY on the sentimental feelings of the illiterate to push sons and daughters and widows of dead people - that is to be expected. And surprisingly, many here have said that if the people want dynasties, they should be allowed to have it! Which of course brings us straight back to the drawbacks of democracy in an illiterate country. It is vulnerable to naked emotional manipulation, which bestows power on the sub-standard spawn of dead heroes.
And just how sub-standard exactly? People have brought up the examples of the Gandhi dynasty, the Bushes, the Clintons, the Bhuttos etc etc. In fact, the less said about these examples, the better. Sanjay Gandhi was a top-to-bottom crook, a princeling like Tarek Zia (read him up on Wiki) whose removal from the political scene was an unmitigated blessing for the Indian nation. Rajiv Gandhi won power purely on the basis of his mother’s assassination - in fact, he became PM the day after his mother died! Nothing more than a hugely emotional reaction to the woman’s death, and a sure sign of political immaturity. But hey, at least he had the right bloodline and he looked great! Bongsho dekhte hobey na!
Rajiv’s biggest achievements were the Bofors scandal and the botched Sri Lankan invasion. The entire wave of reform in India started AFTER he left the scene, when PV Narasimha Rao was PM and Manmohan was Finance Minister. That’s when India started its current journey to economic growth and global influence. Benazir Bhutto and George Bush are of course walking advertisements AGAINST dynasties - one screwed up her country, the other is screwing up the world.
That the educated should make excuses for hereditary dynasties within a democracy merely shows that education is no guarantee. That Joy is from abroad is the least of his sins. The biggest disqualifier against him is that he is the scion of the Sheikh family, because that whole word Scion needs to be banished from the political vocabulary of 3rd-world democracies. Entitlement and privileged access based on blood should never be allowed to trump real qualifications, real achievements, and real connections to the people. What does our new prince have?
Even in America, there is considerable dismay at the fact that for the last 19 years, there has been no president NOT named Bush or Clinton, and even greater dismay at the possibility that if Hillary and Jeb take their turns, there still may not be a president outside of these families as late as 2020! How that can be a good thing for any large democracy is a question in itself.
February 10th, 2007 at 1:34 am
First of all Zubaer I don’t think you are correct about Rajiv Gandhi. Rajiv was the architect of modern india . If you closely watch Indian Politics Bofors was Just a propaganda of VP Sing, BJP and Left front of that time. Later on they could not prove any thing. Funniest thing was Bofors Arms were widely used in Kergil War. India was basically anti USA belt always during the days of Cold war.
and Indira Gandhi was one of the leading lady was against USA autocracy. Intelligent Rajiv Gandhi was the real challenge for the USA in this region.
and Later on Monmohan Sing or Narshima Rao Just helped USA policy in the India. Gradually Usa is able to establish their Market in India during the period of BJP fully. Narshima Rao was the first who made diplomatic relation ship with Israel which was completely against the policy of Nehru . Basically people like Hugo Chávez or Fidel Castro still fighting against this USA in other front. Basically
Your Blue eyed boy theory is not working in here. You Zubayer might seat far away from the country. How can you read the mind of people? So To blame any one is very easy task but before blaming them try to imagine yourself in their positon.
February 10th, 2007 at 1:47 am
I came across this hope this will help discussion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYAsVTLFANo
February 10th, 2007 at 5:59 am
I frankly think this is a huge storm in a teacup.
The guy just launched his blog. If I was Sajeeb, with some latent desire to join politics, I would be tremendously encouraged by all the fuss and attention. There are blogs launched by expatriate Bangladeshis every other day, but who gets close to such coverage (simply by virtue of being the son of the ex-Prime Minister). Sajeeb is ‘guilty’ of very little else as yet.
Zubaer, do you realize, you are doing the very thing you oppose so strongly ? Can’t we just treat him as our equal, not less or more ? He is yet to do something substantially ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ before he deserves anything else.
I am more irked by the fact that the DP post of 8th February 2007 titled “Speaking of Positive Changes..” has received only 6 comments so far (three of which are mine) and this post has received 73. Read the comments in both the posts and tell me which is more important today.
Farhad
February 10th, 2007 at 6:01 am
Zubaer:
“Nonetheless I stand by my general position that power corrupts and power in Bangladesh corrupts far more quickly than most. Protests to the contrary notwithstanding, I don’t see why Joy would be immune to this rule. We have yet to see a politician in Bangladesh who is not tainted with greed and graft when he/she reaches the throne.”
well, if joy isn’t immune to this rule, why would anybody be? and to take your point to its logical conclusion, what are you suggesting, that we just give up, since whoever ends up at the top of the heap, joy, yunus, whoever, will invariably become corrupted? if you are making a generalized point abt BD politics, i dont find it of much constructiveness, and if you you are directing it specifically at joy (as seems to be the case), then it seems unfair. incidentally, joy has indeed been selected as a YGL and i dont think that he is an inappropriate candidate for YGL from bangladesh at all. nor did the AL have anything to do with sponsoring it.
February 11th, 2007 at 1:47 pm
If I made the rather pompous statement on this thread, that I would rather have Islamists take over Bangladesh before unqualified Johnny-Come-Lately’s like Wazed take over et al, then take this comment as a deeply felt apology. It was said in the heat of the moment of this incendiary discussion and I, like a true Bangladeshi, opened my mouth before I thought things through. I apologise for my outburst. I’m not ashamed to say that my wife, Mrs Sid, has severly lambasted me for this foul statement, and rightly so.
I should make clear that I hate regressive dynastic politics as seen time and again in South Asian states, but I hate religious supremacists and Islamic fascists even more.
I love you all.
April 16th, 2007 at 11:02 am
I Think Most Of The Citizens Are Middle Class & Are Not Able To Afford The English Medium Schools & Private Collage & Universities, Because They Are More Expensive Than The UK. The Price (Admission & Monthly Fees) Should Be Reduced A Lot. House Rent Should Be Controlled By The Government As Soon As Possible Other Wise Corruption Will Not Stop By Any Means. Quality Of Education Also Should Be Improved. I Write
To So Many Places But Nobody Seem To Bother. Level Of Education In Bangladesh Among The Middle Class Is Going Down Only Because Of The Price Of Education, Living Cost Is Already High But Can Be Controlled If The Government Controls House Rent, Shop Rent Advance Payment On These Matters. Can You Believe Most Of The Shop Owners Are House Wife’s Who Never Earned A Single Penny (Dhaka City Corporation Market). When Will The Government See About The Problem? We Middle Class Are Dyeing Of This Uprising Price Of Everything. I Think This Is The Time To Go To Action
Regards
Bangali
January 18th, 2008 at 7:16 am
It is tragic that when we need to lift our country above poverty line and concentrate all our efferts to nation building, after 37 years of war of liberation, we are always being pushed back where we started from by the dynastic politics prevailing in our nation. A father or husband with leadership qualities can not necessarily mean that the progeny will have the same qualities. A nation thus become leaderless and fall in the darkness of desperation… the same path where we heading to. Shame on us.
Zulfiquer