Fri 19 Jan 2007
Perhaps its time to debate whether we should go about our lives with a joke of a democracy or an efficient military backed interim government. Perhaps, you can start lining up the recent news conference by Dr. Yunus where he called politicians thieves and the recent spate of reporting in DS and Prothom Alo against AL and BNP and add up the numbers. In April last year, I wrote a piece in DS called Sushil Samaj fights back. Did not quite envisage this fight back. Sushil Samaj is really fighting back with high stakes here. Read the article below. Added some choice quotes below:
Five days after Bangladesh’s president, at the insistence of the army, declared a state of emergency, resigned his post as head of the caretaker government and cancelled the elections that were due to be held next Monday, the full implications of the latest twist in Bangladesh’s political drama are only just becoming clear. Few now have any doubt that the country is set for a lengthy period of military-backed technocratic rule.
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Diplomats say the generals’ unpublished five-point agenda consists of a drive to clean up the country’s biased electoral machinery; a pledge to improve governance in the civil service; an anti-corruption drive that would cleanse the nation’s politics; the depoliticisation of the judiciary; and reform of the crippled power sector.
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With its credibility now on the line, many believe the military will seek deep-seated reform and that this could take a year or more. At a minimum, this will include updating the voters’ list, providing ID cards to 90m voters, and establishing a fully-autonomous election commission that would do away with the flawed system of charging caretaker governments with overseeing elections.…
Most political analysts say that any genuine crackdown on corruption would have to start with the clique of business people around Tarique Rahman, son of outgoing prime minister Khaleda Zia, leader of the Bangladesh Nationalist party. Such a move would be likely to provoke such fierce protests from the BNP that it could lead to full martial law.To be seen to be even-handed in its treatment of Bangladesh’s two feuding parties, the army might consider what is called the ‘Musharraf option’. Just as General Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan’s president, exiled Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif, leaders of Pakistan’s two largest political parties after his 1999 bloodless coup, so might martial law lead to the expulsion of Mrs Zia and Sheikh Hasina, leader of the Awami League.
“I don’t discount the possibility that the generals ask the two ladies to take a holiday,” one Awami League leader said. “Pakistan is certainly a model that could be followed here, even if they have far deeper grass-roots support than Benazir and Nawaz.”
We highlighted this scenario in a post only a few weeks ago here
My comment
In the policy exchange conference, I remember Hussain Haqqani looking at Mr. Moudud Ahmed and saying that he might have won then showing technicalities of constitution but he should learn from the example of Pakistan where the fight of Bhutto and Nawaz led to Musharraf. None of the constitutional technicaities that Sharif used held any water later on. Ironically, the fierce enemies at one time have now joined forces against Musharraf. But it is too late for them. The reality in Bangladesh is democracy is something similar. We call it democracy because we have good elections. But what followed the election was shameless plundering of wealth. As if democracy was defined by elections only and gave the leaders free license to steal. As if that was not enough, after looting endlessly and crippling all our service sectors, they wanted to make sure that they are in power for a long time to come. So let’s take down the institutions one by one. Administration, lower judiciary, Caretaker government, election commission — all went one by one. Finally the last bastion of hope — the supreme court was gone too. We only had a free press to show for — but did we really? All the black money holders after bankrupting the country decided to have either a print media or an electronic media to cloud the news for their business interest. We did not know right from wrong because each news had two versions. Not only you had to read the news, you had to interprete who was the owner of the news source. Yes, we had free press on paper but could our reporters from outside Dhaka report everything they saw. Bangladesh became the most dangerous place for journalists in the world. One after another journalists were killed and the killers escaped punishment. Ask any journalist from the outside Dhaka and they will tell you how they would have to tow the line of the powerful. During Awami League it was Tipu Sultan, during BNP it was Mithu. Same shit, different party. As if even those were not enough, the parties started playing with fire by engaging the Islamic extremists as their trump card. The parties did not have any democracy inside. Hence the results are the rise of Tareque Rahman and the MOU deal with Khelafot. The two leaders of the two parties were randomly deciding the future of 140 million people.
Admittedly, I initially rooted for any one but BNP in the coming election simply for accountability’s sake. However, after the MOU deal with the Islamists, it became clear to me the lesson AL took from the last 5 years was not that it will have to clean up the system that was destroyed by BNP. More alarmingly Shaikh Hasina decided that the only way to beat BNP was to be becoming more BNP-like. So predicatabily the next few years would have been followed by the same thing that happened past 5 years only this time by different party making a mockery of us — the voting public. For a while, I believed strongly that you need to slowly reform the parties from inside because there are a lot of genuine dedicate mid level leaders in the parties who worked for the people. But when the rot is in the head, they will never be interested in any reform. In that light, something very drastic was in order. Now, if the Generals move on with their 5 point program with full public backing, only then the parties will realise that the days of choosing between the devils are over. If the AL cries foul today, they won’t find many friends in the secular circle because they decided to ditch them for the Islamists for convenience right before the election. If the BNP cries foul, they won’t find many friends among the common mass because they tried to ram in a farce election to be in power. So what does that leave us with? The choice is clear — go through the motion of AL-BNP and their rotten leaders every five years and see them make a farce of democracy i.e. winner takes all — or try something new for a change and force the political parties to reform themselves. At the end of the day, ask yourself how long do you want to keep our country hostage by Shaikh Hasina, Khaleda Zia and Ershad who took our country for a ride for the last 25 years ? There has to be a price proportional to the crimes they have committed. In my last article in DS in a letter addressed to Mr. Jalil, the AL secretary, I wrote the following which now sounds prophetic:
If you want to have any shred of political credibility for the future, you will want to scrap this deal. Otherwise, you will not find the friends with you when you need them and believe me you will need friends a lot sooner than you think. Deal or no deal, do know this, that from now on we will make it very very expensive for you to take our support for granted.
So there … I just put a price to my support for these “democratic” parties. They have to prove that they are better than what we have now before they get my support again.
Finally, if you have time, the following video clip from Sultana Kamal from two years ago in a DP round table will sum up the situation of the country.
January 18th, 2007 at 1:46 pm
So, are the generals leading the “shushil shomaj” now?
If there were indeed such five pointers - it is better than the unending feuds between the two pol alliances - one of which is focused on staying in power (amidst allegations of unprecedented corruption and looting of public money), and the other is so determined to not let that happen that they repeatedly called for strikes and blockade (causing immense misery for the public and damage to the commerce and economy).
As long as the generals themselves don’t aspire with some political ambitions and just backup the CG to in preparation of the free-fair election, I support the generals (if they were actually the ones behind Iajuddin’s shakedown).
Meanwhile the so called five points are making rounds….
>>a drive to clean up the country’s biased electoral machinery
– the voter ID idea is getting a lot of momentum, and is welcomed by non political groups.
>>a pledge to improve governance in the civil service
– there had been some shuffles in the secretariats
>>an anti-corruption drive that would cleanse the nation’s politics
–RAB had been raiding residences of “suspicious” people and arresting them.
>>the depoliticisation of the judiciary
– in process
>>reform of the crippled power sector
– won’t be too hard if the key people of the past govt are kept out of it
January 18th, 2007 at 3:06 pm
Ek gada rokto rasta’e fellei “gonotontro” justified hoye jae na. I for one have had enough of Noor Hossain’s name being invoked these last few days. So yeah he died for the cause. So what? He didn’t die for this sham that’s been foisted on our heads, that’s for sure. Shouting his name or Dr Milon’s name at every opportunity doesn’t make our rajneetibids any more honest or decent or honourable. They are beyond shame or conscience at this point. And the hope for ‘gradual’ improvement doesn’t seem to be materializing in Bangladesh either. The plain fact is that it’s only gotten worse and worse. There is a reason why people of all stripes are exhaling “shostir nishshash” in Bangladesh. It is because they have had enough of the BNP-AL duopoly for now.
January 18th, 2007 at 3:06 pm
DAILY STAR’s Fahim Munaim appointed press secretary of CTG.
http://thedailystar.net/2007/01/19/d70119011912.htm
Safe bet to presume that at least some people inside DS knew the army-backed interim gov’t was coming?
January 18th, 2007 at 4:44 pm
Be careful about what you wish for!
We have to remember that the previous governments, not just the very last ones, are elected by the people of Bangladesh. Most everybody agrees that the last three general elections did reflect the people’s wish. Now what each of these govt. did when they’re in power, that’s another discussion. But for a group of corrupt individuals, we cannot and should not change the process from democracy to millitary law! If the people who goes to power are corrupt, try to implement policies so that those corrupt people doesn’t go to the power anymore. But this does not justify moving away from democracy and give the power to millitary or autocrats. I said in before, searching for a Suharto may end up giving you another Ershad.
And why Noor Hossain or Dr. Milon comes up again and again? What you just wrote (”I for one have had enough of Noor Hossain’s name being invoked these last few days. So yeah he died for the cause. So what? “) is again shooting the messenger for the message. If we take this attitude, then what’s wrong if Al Badar leader comes to you and asks “So what? I was against Bangladesh 35 yrs back….”. What are you going to say to him? I agree with you that Noor Hossain or Dr. Milon didn’t die for corrupt people to go to power. But they died for democracy and these corrupt people are democratically elected. People voted them to power. If you or I or the civil society don’t like it, then it’s upon those individuals or groups of individuals to educate people. But taking back their rights would be equivalent to racism.
January 18th, 2007 at 5:19 pm
I don’t share the same enthusiasm on show here in support of the military/technocratic partnership.
Parties in Bangladesh have evolved the way they have because of a reason. People in Bangladesh have chosen those politicians as patrons who have provided the most resource to them, in form of work for food, schools, bridges and development work. Yes, some people have taken this to extremes, and plundered and looted money. But their identities seem to be universally known, I can’t see them having much of a political future.
The dialectic between an unelected democratic government and an unelected undemocratic and corrupt government is a facile one. It reminds me of a column by Prof. M. M. Akash, where, he spoke about how after the Liberation War, in classrooms, professors used to talk about the choices between honest rajakars and corrupt freedom fighters. I think the tragic consequences of that questions are still with us, evident to all. The only form of government that should be acceptable to any of us should be a democratically elected government. Nothing else.
On another point, I always see two main complaints against Mr. Tareq Rahman and his associates. The first involves his plundering of huge amounts of the country’s assets, the second his role in masterminding a plan to orchestrate the events after the BNP government handed over power.
Now, I think that he has earned enough detractors all over that if he has done what he is alleged to have, he will be brought to justice. And instead of a long career at the top level of our national politics, he will have been limited to five years of indirect control. And as regards his so called plans emenating from Hawa Bhaban to control the caretaker government, they all seem to have come undone rather spectacularly. If that’s the worst he has done, surely there is some hyperbole involved somewhere.
I personally would feel much better seeing our country run by people Saber Hossain Chowdhury, Mahmudur Rahman, Ehsanul Haq Milon, and Kaji Zafarullah than any of our generals. They’re accomplished, in touch with our country’s people, and get things done. What’s being today called technocracy, in other times and other places, was called aristocracy, and it does not work.
In summation, if this current administration can setup the scenario for a credible election, all well and good. They do not have the mandate to make fundamental changes in our country’s administrative structure. The seperation of the judiciary from the executive has been ongoing for about eight years, accomplishing this should not give the CG other grandiose ideas.
January 18th, 2007 at 7:00 pm
Here’s my two cents. I guess I am old enough to remember military rule - and I recall not liking it.
It is not so easy to reform the system. Any hope that the military, which is the most undemocratic system known to man, can somehow swoop in and fix problems in society is utter nonsense.
The problem in Bangladesh is not as simple as cleaning out the BNP and the Awami League. I only wish it were that simple. We have systemic problems that go well beyond the two leaders and go well beyond the two political parties. Its easy to only blame the “elite” for our problems. I wonder how many people in Bangladesh actually pay their taxes or how many people in Bangladesh give or take the occasional bribe? None of these problems can be addressed by the military.
We heard the same promises from the military before - and all we got were corrupt military leaders. A society that invites the military to enter politics has got the problem backwards.
I wrote a post on my blog a couple of days ago entitled “Bangladesh: A Republic, if you can keep it” spelling out some of my concerns about this CG and the state of emergency. Far from trying to keep it, it looks to me now that people are happily giving it away.
If anyone thinks that a bunch of unelected and unaccountable people will somehow fix the ills of this country, then they are grossly underestimating human nature.
January 18th, 2007 at 9:55 pm
I hear many of you are being very idealistic about democracy but given that most people in Bangladesh are now very happy that non political government are at the helm. All you have to do is go and do a survey. Doesn’t it matter more what majority of Bangladeshi people wants rather than the small number of elites imposing so called democracy and keeping our country crippled since independence? Most of the comments in blogs generally concerns urban people of BD, what about the 70% villagers?
I do agree military or technocratic government is not a long term solution but what other choice did we have? Fact that only thing bengali people listen to is danda is quite evident in the last few days. It goes to show we are not quite ready for western style democracy. Now some of you may differ strongly with my views but thats why we are here for.
I think this is a prime time to get some fundamental institutions like judiciary, Anti-corruption commission, civil service in shape and then have the elections. I quite don’t see what so called democracy gave us in the last 35 years when most people in our country are living below the poverty line! Beside, the democracy we have now is not really democracy, as most of the power is still controlled by selected few. Just being able to vote once every 5 years does not mean we are living in a democratic environment. We perhaps need to look to Singapore, Malaysia or other similar countries for example. One of the fundamental sign of a democracy is decentralisation. Power needed to devolved to local areas on local issues otherwise we will see conituation of corruption. Even for a minor matter one need to go to Secretariat in Dhaka with bribe! Apalling.
January 18th, 2007 at 11:39 pm
I think you’re making a mistake by questioning democracy as a process. The reason why it failed in Bangladesh to some extent is that the majority of our people are unaware of their fundamental rights and responsibilities. It’s not a failure of the democratic process. Rather it’s the people who exploits the vast majority who should be blamed. If we want to change that, switching from democracy to autocracy is not the answer. Rather, we need to educate people about what they deserve. And also, what the country deserves from her citizens. Thst is the only way out. Not imposing the rule of a small, urban, educated people or army rules.
January 18th, 2007 at 11:55 pm
Mr Sensible,
Don’t you think the word education should play a vital rule according to your comment on Post #8.
To me only thing lacking in Bangladesh is education.education and education. Just make sure I am not mentioning schooling here.And I am sure the respected bloggers are more educated than me to understand the difference between education and schooling.’
Education= Knowledge and Experience
Schooling= Certificate and narrow mind.
Education is information
Information is Power.
thanks
Kawser Jamal
http://www.changeBangladesh.com
January 19th, 2007 at 12:15 am
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January 19th, 2007 at 12:48 am
In post #8, I talked about education twice. The first one is undoubtedly has the meaning that you implied. The second one….well, you can make your own decision about if that means schooling or knowledge and wisdom.
January 19th, 2007 at 2:12 am
I thought those politicians from AL, BNP or whatever are losing sleep at night, but no? This CTG has just started their job to be done only for few days, but already many of us losing patience and questioning who is behind it and it’s desire. Even if military power is in act behind this govt. does not automatically take us back to Zia or Ershad era, since BD in a different circumstance than those days. Acting CTG has been formed and acting under valid constitution. Not that military chief and other heads of 3 forces came to ‘Bangabhaban’ and took over the control in their hand, rather they were called numerous time for help out the crisis and discuss by acting CTG as well as previous CTG. None of their officials are posted in any constitutional position other than civil person. Even foreign diplomats visited military chief few days back and needless to say on military contribution in world peace, UN etc. So circumstance is totally different than those days to call current CTG an autocratic govt. leading or backing up by military. Perhaps we always see things with conspiracy other than simply the way it is.
We have experienced corruption and lawlessness every sector of the country, lost every democratic rights other than those politicians. We have waited years to see implementation of SC rule on judiciary separation as well as many others, waited years for a flawless voter list, waited years to see power development etc. Responsibility belongs to top level of governance and politics, hence rectification must have to be start from top. What’s wrong if we have to wait few months or a year to see some of those things are getting done? Better it’s high time we support this CTG to let them do their job done, good and corruption free environment for next election, and so far they are doing fine. Who knows? a third party ( Dr. Yunus? ) may arrive in political field / election, IF the environment get rectified by this time. And people may get their chance to chose other than AL, BNP, JI or anything that existing, it’s silly blaming people because they could not chose other than AL or BNP last decades, democracy does not exist in those party, which bring corrupted people in election. Why blame people who does not have choice right people to chose?
January 19th, 2007 at 2:24 am
No one is saying that the military will solve the problems of the country. In fact, I have full confidence that they will be able to do no such thing.
That’s not the point though. The point is simply that Democracy hasn’t solved anything either. In 2006, more people left Bangladesh in search of work and a better life than at any other point in its post-1971 history. People are fed up to the back teeth with the last decade of Bangladeshi politics - for them, it is not some abstract Ideal as it is for bloggers sitting in foreign living rooms - no, for them it is a matter of daily irritation and exasperation which has made zero positive difference to the quality of their daily life in spite of all the grandiose promises made on behalf of this All-Purpose Panacea called Democracy. You can hardly blame them for feeling this way.
I have no doubt whatsoever that the military will also overreach and become corrupt in their turn and will be kicked out in the fullness of time should they want to take over power directly. But for now people IN Bangladesh want a break from the scum of the earth who pass as our politicians.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:29 am
Zubaer is absolutely right. At this point, there is simply no other option to try out. We cannot afford to not take this risk with this new government.
Sensible says that we need to implement policies to check the corrupt people from coming to power. But who will do it? Certainly not the corrupt people themselves. We have lots of policies but they are simply on paper. They are not implemented or are abused at the convenience of the political parties.
Just look at this example, AL wanted 31 points election reform and they said 90 days is not a barrier. But when faced with real reform now, they are saying they want election in the next 90 days. Similarly, BNP corrupted every single institution to be in power for the next 30 years. On paper, as you said before 1/11, that we have all the democratic institutions but in reality if you compare with an autocracy, there is not much differnce. Power rests with a few. So let’s not talk about what ideal — but rather what was the application of democracy in BD. The dysfunctional bastardised democracy in Bangladesh has not worked for the people. We will need to go back to it — Only when we are ready again with strong institutions and mature and able leaders and fully democratic parties. Till then I am willing to take a bet (with full awareness on potential risk) on this military backed interim government to deliver on these items.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:33 am
Spate of good news in just the first one week:
1. First step of judiciary separation from admin complete
2. Share market is seeing the heaviest volumes in trading
3. Travel warning to Bangladesh relaxed by foreign countries
4. Farcical election scrapped.
Also a more detailed analysis of what really happened in week 1 is in zafar’s article here
http://www.thedailystar.net/2007/01/19/d70119020326.htm
January 19th, 2007 at 5:02 am
The coup that dare not speak its name
Jan 18th 2007 | DHAKA
From The Economist print edition
The army, not the politicians, now runs Bangladesh
http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displaystory.cfm?story_id=8560006
Between the barracks and the mosque
WHEN Iajuddin Ahmed, Bangladesh’s president, declared an army-backed
state of emergency on January 11th and cancelled the election due on
January 22nd, neither he nor the foreign governments quietly cheering him
on used the word “coupâ€. Yet that is what it looks like. The army,
in the tradition of “guardian coups†from Fiji to Thailand, has
stepped in with the usual list of apparently noble goals. The interim
government it is backing will enable credible elections, clean up the
country’s extremely politicised civil service, fight corruption, fix the
country’s power crisis and keep food prices in check—and then return to
the barracks.
The president stood down as head of the caretaker government that had
been supposed to oversee the elections. He was replaced by Fakhruddin
Ahmed, a former central-bank governor and World Bank official. The
technocratic administration he heads has so far sent the right signals. A
drive against corruption—in which Bangladesh regularly nears the top of
world league tables—is under way. The national-security chief, the
top civil servant in the power ministry and the attorney-general have all
been ousted. A start has been made in separating the judiciary from the
executive.
But restoring democracy remains a tall order. The political system has
collapsed. The army insisted the president step in before the
Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP), which headed a coalition government for the
past five years, could rig the election and secure itself another term.
Delaying the vote averted a possible bloodbath. Allegations of
election-rigging levelled by an alliance led by the other big party, the Awami
League, had led to weeks of often violent protests and strikes. Their
charges were, in effect, backed by foreign observers. Both the European
Union and the UN withdrew their support for the election. The UN also
warned the army against partisan intervention in politics, adding that
this might jeopardise its lucrative role in UN peacekeeping operations.
This threat helped sever an alliance between the army and the BNP.
The BNP’s leader, the previous prime minister, Khaleda Zia, is reported
to have been taken aback by the state of emergency and disappointed in
the generals. But the BNP is unlikely to go quietly, raising fears that
the administration might be forced to make fuller use of its
wide-ranging emergency powers, which it has so far used with restraint.
Unless something extraordinary happens to make the parties behave,
there will be no return soon to two-party politics. It will take time to
fix a voter list bloated with millions of extra names, to issue
voter-identity cards, to set up a new independent election commission, and to
purge the bureaucracy. It seems unachievable before the July monsoon,
which pushes polls back to the final quarter of 2007. Indeed, what would
be the fourth electoral battle between Mrs Zia and the League’s Sheikh
Hasina Wajed may never happen.
Arguing in favour of the state of emergency, Bangladesh’s
largest-selling newspaper, Prothom Alo, has exposed the practice of parties’
auctioning off parliamentary seats for money. Matiur Rahman, the editor, also
alleges that both big parties entered a bidding war to lure the Jatiya
Party of the former dictator, Hossain Mohammad Ershad, into their
alliance. Jatiya has asked the army to shut the paper down.
Although the state of emergency has supporters even among some liberal
democrats, it is a high-stakes gamble. Authoritarian rule is unlikely
to appeal for long, however fed up voters are with the two big parties
and their mutually-loathing leaders. The main beneficiary from the
failure of mainstream politics is an extremist Islamist fringe.
Internationally, the stakes are highest for neighbouring India. It
accuses Bangladesh of harbouring insurgent groups from its north-east, and
is home, claim politicians, to some 20m Bangladeshi migrants. By 2050
Bangladesh, only twice as big as Ireland, will have about 250m people.
In the short term the only voting on offer to Bangladesh’s people, half
of whom live in abject poverty, is with their feet.
January 19th, 2007 at 6:47 am
Although, I’d have screamed in c minor saying “Yay to Army Dictatorship”, had it been any other place than Africa/Bangladesh.
When any of our kind (that is, the B-race) is handed out the staff to the nation/country, we are destined to falter. Mostly because we don’t care about any faggy “greater cause”, that is because “who cares what genus of animals die/get- cryogenically-frozen in yearly flood/cold-wave, I’m perfect snuggling inside my govt alloted house. If not that, then my mansion in gulshan would suffice”..and many other ‘that is because’ prose will continue.
Now back to the context. Will an Army lead interim govt be good or naughty?
Ans: yes, for a short period. But after that newly formed partisans will arise. Comrades will try to hang each other after faux judiciary trials. Alongside all these, parties in the cantonment ballrooms, or govt funded scholarships for thy “children” would continue to flow in while the people from Moushgao, Netrokona (or take any random pick, come on its fun poking poor people) would continue to be discriminated against.
Fi fi fo..umm…I forgot the rest.
January 19th, 2007 at 7:20 am
….and here is the bad news. This is third such death in three days in custody of army/police and the relatives can’t do any thing about it. Not a single person is accountable. Although, you can say there is nothing new since the democratic government was doing the same thing while in power via RAB.
Juba League leader dies in police custody
UNB, Noakhali
A local Juba League leader, who was arrested last night by joint forces, died in police custody early today.
Joint forces comprising of army and police personnel arrested joint convener of town Juba League Shamsuddoha alias Taleban, 35, from his Napiterpool residence in Noakhali district town last night.
He was handed over to Sudharam police station. Later he was admitted to hospital as his health condition deteriorated around midnight.
After treatment, Taleban was sent back to the police station where he died early this morning.
January 19th, 2007 at 9:32 am
First, a personal explanation: I was there to see and suffer through the blockade and hartal and destruction for the most part of the 90s. So it’s not correct that I’m sitting here in a foreign living room and talking about abstract ideas. I have lived through it.
As I said earlier, the failure of the democratic system is not the failure of the system. The root cause for the failure of democracy in Bangladesh is the lack of basic level of education of the vast majority of people. (I don’t mean schooling). And there is no quick fix to this problem. The change has to come from the bottom-up, not top down. We have seen the attempts of top-down solution to this problem before and none of them were successful. Rather they created more problems for us.
Removing the individuals is not the solution either. If you remove Hasina, Khaleda, Ershad, ….. and top 2000/4000 leaders of each party, that’s not going to solve the problem. New faces will show up and do the same thing. What is needed is a sea change in the political culture and it’s not possible externally.
Let’s not kid ourselves by calling the current govt a constitutional one either. Let’s call it what it is: a millitary coup. If the army forced the president to step-down rather than following his orders as they’re supposed to, the army broke the chain-of-command. No matter how good their intentions were, this is the truth. Army, not like the politicians, are bounded by strict chain-of-command and that’s necessary for a successful running of a country. Anytime that breaks down, that should be taken seriously as a sign of more unwanted things to come and most of the times those are bad things.
Asif talked about lack of accountability in regard to the deaths in custody. This is the least of the concerns. Could you tell me who this present govt is accountable to? If you say “to the people”, I’ll ask how the people of Bangladesh are supposed to exercise that authority to the state machinaries run by the current administration? If there are ways, then you didn’t have to worry about lack of accountability regarding the deaths that you mentoned.
Poorland talked about creating environment so that people like Dr. Yunus can form a plitical party. Well, under such “created” environment, we get parties like BNP and JP. Politics is a process and every party has to go through that process. Like BNP did during the Ershad ira and the anti Ershad movement gave BNP the political maturity that it has today. The reason AL has such grassroot organization is becuase they’re around for such a long time. If Dr. Yunus wants to provide a political alternative, he has to follow a similar path. There is no shortcut. This is part of the reason I want him to keep doing what he is doing; that is, change the status of the people. That’ll ultimately change the political process in Bangladesh.
Many of the citizens of Bangladesh have very good ideas about how to make Bangladesh the best in the world. But so did the middle-age kings that ruled the then Bangladesh, in their own mind. Do we want to go back to those times again?
I know it’s getting too long response. But let me mention one more thing. I think all of you have seen the Bangla Link comercial “din bodol” where the fisherman changes his fate with a cell phone. That’s how you change the political process. If you can let people know that they have rights, responsibilities, other options, then people will change the system.
One more thing….One of the newspapers reported that the people, specially the young people, are getting their haircut in a hurry! Do you remember when was the last time this has happened in Bangladesh?……Deja vu…..
January 19th, 2007 at 10:20 am
http://www.dailynayadiganta.com/fullnews.asp?News_ID=4028&sec=1
January 19th, 2007 at 10:53 am
In the long run, you want democracy. In the short run, however, you just want to be alive - a chance to survive.
BNP and AL and their respective goons and apologists were slowly and steadily killing the country. So the country fought back. It is simply a case of the populace deciding that an unknown evil (or at least, a less known evil) had to be better than the known evils. Hence the popular and from what I can tell, fairly universal embrace of recent developments.
Democracy in Bangladesh was practiced mainly in name - corrupt politicians had hijacked the process and were leading it towards dynastic rule. Both parties are equally guilty and they are identically motivated - power and wealth for themselves and their heirs - the rest of the nation be damned! Sometimes, the only way to move forward is to take a few steps back.
There is no guarantee that this will lead to greater democracy or a better nation. But there is a chance that it might - and that is what so many are rooting for: a chance! Instead of criticizing the new government for crimes not yet committed, perhaps we should give it a chance - even help it take back the country!
Best regards,
Muhit
January 19th, 2007 at 12:09 pm
Army-police-rab are arresting AL BNP leaders throughout the country. Some of them with illegal arms. I wonder why they are not arresting any Jamaat-Shibir members. Shouldn’t be hard to find shibir cadre with arms in Chittagong or Rajshahi university. Just this month we read about shibir’s shontrash at Chittagong University.
January 19th, 2007 at 1:43 pm
Some Jamaat_Shibir cadres were arrested. Proportion wise we have more AL and BNP supporters in the country ( we have 8% Jamaat suppoters). That means we have more AL-BNP shontrasis than Jamaat.
Jamaati cadres are well trained and are very clever. They are always prepared for unforseen events. I think many of these cadres have already went underground.
Daily Star reported today that BNP high command has asked its supporters to evade arrests.
January 19th, 2007 at 2:26 pm
There are widespread rumours abt the arrest of Giasudin Al Mamun. I don’t understand why the army freed him on Jan 13 after a 20 hr interrogation. And why are they searching for him again ?
Whatever Giasuddin Al Mamun did was done in accordance with Tareq zia. Shouldn’t they arrest Tareq as well ?
The corrupt and criminal MPs and ‘montriputro’s of both AL and BNP must be arrested. The army should not spare corrupt bureaucrats. People like ANH Akhter Hussain should not get away just because they are not mainstream politicians. The Uttora scam (Mahmudur Rahman’s meeting) must be properly investigated. This CG enjoys huge support from the mass, they shouldn’t worry abt what ‘Madam’ or ‘Apa’ says as long as their intentions are good. They just need to make sure that the govt. takes a strong stand for the change, not for publicity gimmicks.
January 19th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
Is it possible to make voter ID card in one day for all voter?
One NGO larder in Rangpur told that photo Id could be possible only one day(Source :Daily Inqilab 20 January 07). According to him, Govt. declare one day as a vote holiday. People go polling center of 1991. Instantly they will get photo ID. All voter information will be available in internet.
So there is no waste of money every year for voter list.Can we say that this is a nice idea?
January 19th, 2007 at 8:22 pm
AL for parliamentary election by April 11
Unb, Dhaka
Awami League presidium member and former minister Sheikh Fazlul Karim Selim yesterday said the stalled parliamentary election should be held within next 90 days.
“The new caretaker government should hold election within three months that ends on April 11. Crisis will be created if the caretaker government fails to hold election by that date,” he told the UNB.
He criticised the previous caretaker government, headed by President Iajuddin Ahmed for failing to hold a free, fair and acceptable election and wasting 77 days since October 29 of last year.
“The newly constituted caretaker government has three months’ time excluding the wasted 77 days which can be adjusted with the consent of the Supreme Court,” the AL leader said.
He, however, said if the caretaker government needs more time beyond the three months, a consensus of all political parties would be required as once happened during the caretaker government of acting President Justice Shahabuddin Ahmed.
Asked about the voter ID cards as earlier demanded by the AL-led grand alliance, Selim said the caretaker government should examine whether it would be possible within April 11.
He said a non-elected government could stay in power for a certain period of time as an elected government should run the affairs of the state.
“This should be kept in mind by the present caretaker government,” he added.
Citing constitutional provisions on the caretaker government, the AL leader said, “Main task of the caretaker administration is to oversee an acceptable election. To perform this responsibility, the advisers have taken the oath. If they forget their responsibility, they will face the same fate as Professor Iajuddin.”
He said now the primary duties of the caretaker government are to update the voter list according to the direction of the Supreme Court, recast the Election Commission (EC) and depoliticise the administration.
“It will take maximum one or one and a half months to update the voter list. Election schedule would have to be declared only after preparing a correct voter list,” he added.
About recasting the Election Commission, Selim said the election commissioners should resign following President Iajuddin Ahmed’s resignation as chief adviser for failing to hold a free, fair and credible election.
“People want to hear the chief adviser about his plan to hold the election,” AL presidium member Suranjit Sengupta told the UNB.
He said, “The nation is in deep anxiety for more than a week. When is he going to appear before the nation to spell out his plan for the election?”
Suranjit said since the election will not be free and impartial under the incumbent EC, it is the responsibility of the caretaker government to ensure how a reconstituted EC would be in place.
January 19th, 2007 at 9:39 pm
There has to be fundemental rethink of the caretaker government system. It has become apparent that CG style of goverment is prone to manipulation by the ruling clique and will face allegations of partisanship by the party(ies) who will be contesting againts the immediate past government.
The current interim government (and military
) must come up with a formula to break the ruling goverments ability to shape the CG.
But our corrupt politicians are so shrewd, I am sure they will find a way of circumventing any measures which are put in place to prevent them from interfering with the structure of the CG.
Any suggestions????
I am trying to come up with one
January 20th, 2007 at 1:20 am
@ comment 27: The solution is to make sure that the instituitions of the govt are not packed with partisan and uncapable people. If the following instituitions are run by efficient and neutral ppl, hthe elections can’t be manipulated:
1. Judiciary
2. EC
3. Police
4. PSC
But in the last 5 years, we hv seen that all these instituitions are totally ruined. If we could make sure these instituitions are free from political appointments, the elections will be free and fair.
January 20th, 2007 at 12:54 pm
Well I have watched all the dialogs from the several sectors. but Here I am not agreed with Asif first Time. I have great respect for Asif. But I am expressing my opinion.
Basically My feeling is that we should not blame only politicians. We should not make
Every thing generalize like that. What is the definition of Democracy and Autocracy?
You see We people are responsible for the condition of today. I have been born after liberation. But My question to all of you friends that could we taste the good outcome of our liberation.
Basically constitution of 1972 was the life line of the country. But why the journey of democracy got its obstacle. People might argue about Bakshal and all. But was there any protest against Bak shal that time? And what a nice step? No protest nothing at all
Only army movement.
Do you feel the solution of Army movement was correct? Is situation of 1975 worse than today. If we have so much love for democracy why people of this country did not protest against Brutal episode of 1975?
And graveyard of Democracy has been build up during this period. Because in Bangladesh Army we have rarely got one Khaled Musharaf, One Shafayat Jamil or
Hassan Masud Chowdhury of today.
Basically CNC of our countries were busy to establish their power at any cost. So some parties have been born which can’t be told political parties. They can be better called plat form of all corruption. Our Barrister Moudud Ahmed, Kazi Faroz Rashid, shah Muazzem Ahmad etc are production of so called army democracy. So Army flattering
With out any reason is become national character of our some political leaders. And Those leaders are become the king maker of our politics. And you can’t buy one Tajuddin ahmad, Comrade Moni Sing, Comrade Forhad even Mujahidul isalam selim by Money but easy to buy any so called politicians cum business man cum intellect.
We people don’t know the definition of Democracy. Motiur Rahman of Prothom Alo
Was in the Ekota . It was a class weekly . But where is the Motur Rahman of Today? Can we recognize the Motur Rahman today.? Though he is representing Secular progressive force yet there is a big difference between Motur Rahman of Ekota, Aajker Kagoj or one of prothom Alo. Is he not watching the interest of Latifur Rahman?
Now About Shaifq Rahman what can I say? Jai Jai Din was the Jewel of the crown to the all of the Bengali intellect. But in last some years what was the roll of shafiq Rahman. In Fact Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde of Robert Louis Stevenson and Aath Kuthuri Noi Dorja of Shomoresh Majumdar are reminded by Mr Rahman. Could we kill Mr Hyde of Shafiq Rahman. I think He will be responsible for his whole of life to the people of Bangladesh only
To destroy Jai Jai Din.
I have watched a tendency to blame Awami league from lots of the sectors. I don’t say AL is flaw less. But Al is the one Major party who have actual political route. If Al is changing It is because of
We people. From 96-2001 they were only five years in the power. Every one is speaking about Joinal Hazari , HaZi Selim Etc.
But Could Any Govt of the history give one Moita Chowdury who was extremely success ful in
the Agricultural Ministry. But Reward she has got to loose election with some Controversial leader Zahid Ali chow dhury.
About Major Rafiqe, Sm Kibria you can’t say they were bad at all.
But After five years with out so called God Father issue None Can even accuse also the Corruption against AL leaders.
But Still BNP came to the power with so called Land slide victory. I still believe election of 2001 was another furse of Merry En Peters an d Latifur Rahman.
And If I am wrong are Bangladeshi people not responsible to bring BNP? So I will Congratulate Tareq Zia or Giash Uddin Mamun. They have done the right thing.
Because we people wanted that.
So If Al is changed today we should not blame them.
Our Abdul Awal Mintu who is the leader of Business community. He is economical pillar of AL
In 1996 . And there is no permanent friends and enemy in politics and business . so He Moved to BNP . This same Mintu is speaking trash about Joinal Hazari or VP Joinal.
I will say he is a corporate Hooligan. So Asif before blaming only political leader my request to you my friend Just Judge how good we are!
January 20th, 2007 at 10:00 pm
Thank you Tanoy for showing you true color and reviving the discussion here. I just want to point a few flaws in your logic and share one of my personal experiences.
First, I was insulted and told that I do not have any analytical ability by some here when I was trying to present the context of the problem with the election commission. I wanted to say is that BNP went to election in 2001 with Shafiur Rahman as a election commissioner and won. So if AL did not have a huge argument regarding justice Aziz or SM Jakaria. The implication is that is really doesn’t matter if the people are on your side who the election comissioner is and AL boycotted the polls because they lost Ershad. Anyway, those discussions are far beyond us now. The reason I mentioned this is because you sort of took a similar approach in justifying Al’s recent actions.
The biggest inaccuracy in your argument is that there was no protest from the people in 1974 regarding BAKSAL. If you look through the history books, you’ll find planty of evidence of such protests. But those were ruthlessly terminated by the administration and the so called rokkhi bahini goons. Lt’s not forget Shiraz Shikad and what happened to him. We did have opposition to the AL ruling even in 1973 election and we all know what happened in that election. So let’s not justify the events of pre-74 killing of Muzib by saying that the people accepted those and there was no opposition to those.
Now a personal experience about your successful home minister Rafiq. I was a faculty in Jahangirnagar University when he was the home minister in 1997. At one morning in december 1997, the female students of the university, along with the general students had a sit-in in front of the university gate for some protest. As a result, Dhaka-Aricha road was blocked and that’s why our honorable (!) minister was there to mediate. I was there, along with other faculties trying to solve the problem. Once he got there, he told the students to move away from the road and then he wanted to discuss their grievances. But the students refused. And the next thing we know is that the police, with his permission, started beating those students with their battons. A female faculty, trying to save the girls got beaten. Along with the police were the bright stars of Chatra League, who were then in control of the campus beating the students. This is just one incident of the home minister Rafiq. To tell you the truth, I was happy to see a freedom fighter become the home mininster. But now, with 20-20 hindsight, I cannot call him a successful home minister. And please, don’t even get me started on Hazari. I grew up in Feni, went to Feni College and I saw Hazari and his team in action. One thing that is positive happened in Feni is that Hazari is out of Feni, finally. This is not to say that his replacements are any good.
So you think the 2001 election was corrupted? Aren’t you giving to much credit to BNP that they can manipulate an election even when AL was ruling for 5 years? It seems you’re in the group who thinks any election that AL loses is corrpted!
January 20th, 2007 at 11:58 pm
Guys AL and BNP are different side of same coin.
Want proof? Here goes:
1. Both parties are quick to critisize Dr. Yunus when he critisized our dirty politicians.
2.Now AL is asking for speedy election ASAP. Electoral reform, corrected voter ID cards, blocking black money holders and god fathers from nomination were now being put on the back burner by AL. What a joke!! Now they are standing with BNP on getting speddy election. Finally they agreed to each other. But it is too late. I bet both party will pretty soon go on joint agitation program. I’d like to bet 100 bucks on it. Anyone like to take this bet with me. Three cheers to new military backed interim/caretaker govt. Please gave us a break and hold the power until the major political parties go through valuable reforms.
“remember in Bangladesh danda talks and bullshit walks”
January 21st, 2007 at 12:13 am
To sensible:
I appreciate your views and also the humble way of expressing them.
But, I strongly disagree with your views that democracy didn’t fail and we should not decry democracy.
I believe, the democracy is the best of all the existing systems of state admistration ensuring people’s maximum participation in delivering the system.
But I say, there are ziga bites of defects in the democracy.
But nobody can deny the truth this democracy is century-old system. People conquered the space and moon and about to step on the mars. Unforfunately, the democracy remained unupdated like a three-hundred-year-old building falling apart its bricks and beams.
If there had been rigorous research on this most essential area, the world could have been bestowed with far better system of state administration. And if that system, what I dream about, had emerged and implemented by now then world have been a place of ever prevailing peace and prosperity, a paradise on the planet. Then people would have looked down democracy as a system as we now look down to Kingship.
The democracy in-toe-toe of western style have failed the poor underdeveloped countries in insuring people’s participation as well as economically. It totally failed India, a 60-year old democracy. India is far behind it’s neighbors like china, Malaysia, singapoore etc. Even Mynamar 20-year under military rule, has been doing better than India. The economic growth of Mynamar is >7.0% whereas that of India
January 21st, 2007 at 4:29 am
I Understand your Emotion Mr Sensible and also TTeller. See I am from Singapore It self and Funniest thing is that here People even don’t know there is any opposition. Because Father of The nation
Lee runs the country in such a great way. People even don’t think of Change.
But they don’t need Army. Malaysia
does not have good administration as Singapore.
Still its is good . But I never hear Army is interfaring.
Now about Economical growth of India I think You might has miss some data.
If Two countries are booming now It is india and China.See I am In the Telecom Sector and I need to Travel lots of time for my Professional activities. You will be surpised to know all the engineers and Professionals are returning India . You know why because they are getting Salary of
USA, UK and Singapore seating in here.
Those all were possible because there is proper practice of the democracy. I think Farhan can tell you even better than me. So They don’t need any Army Govt to run the country. and regarding Burma I really don’t know Their Army Govt is giving true picture or not. Because from Data of Spring Singapore I don’t find Myna mar is an attractive land for The growth of industrial revolution. but Tata, Reliance, Info sys become institutes now who have contribution in our Economy. India does not need any Abdul Awal Mintu
January 21st, 2007 at 4:38 am
To Sensisble. Yes I strongly believe 2001 elction was the biggest joke of the name of Democracy and My this opinion is not changed at all. and I can’t give BNP any credit for any manupultaions. and You know This result is clearly indicated today when BNP uses Iaj Uddian for 2007. Against AL in 2001 there was No situation of Km Hassan, Aziz and all.Al came to the power under
Habibur Rahman. so No election has been conducted AL for You Kind info.
I Just want to protest some of your commernts against shaifiqr Rahman. I felt He did Right thing to go In ” JANATAR MABHA”. Because 15 Th Feb , 2001 Election was the shame of Bangladesh history. It was not matter if AL OR BNP. any sensible people like you should protest though he is Gov’t employee. Because in 1971 also our Brillient CSP officers protested against Pakistan Govt and it was not harm.
January 21st, 2007 at 4:02 pm
Sensible,Marco Polo,tteller,Tanoy and others,
My dear respected bloggers aren’t we not still in the past here in this discussion? I know to go to the future you need to look at past but are we digging too far where with division and counter argument we are missing the line of sight for future?
What would any one of us will gain about what happened in the past or not ? did the previous election was rigged or not? was AWL better or BNP is better?
We all know and admit that niether BNP nor AWL are for Bangladesh they run political parties for name,fame,lust,pride,money and power.They just want to rule the country not make the country any better in the future than yesterday. They want to keep the people of Bangladesh in hostile situation so that good people of Bangladesh should be frustrated and leave Bangladesha the one who lives in bangladesh should just stay home and eat on their interest they get from the bank and the bank money should be plunder by BNP and AWL
people and their money should grow in different country like Malaysia,China,Singapore,Canada and USA. They don’t want to invest in industry or mills because they know their own behavior will bring destruction to theor industry throug fearful agitation,hartal and oborodh. The destruction of 10 factories and looting of factories equipement and belongings by the hired goon is just an example.
Please people lets come join hands make a TV programme and do a talk show from USA with the NRB who are educated,non-partisan,intellectuals,informed and patriotic people in numbers and lets telecast our view of what we want to see in Bangladesh. Tell the Care take government what the NRB from all around the world want for Bangladesh and they should make those things happen while they are there. Lets start from USA
North American Zone:
USA and Canada etc
In Europe Zone
England,Germany,France Spain
Asia Zone
India,Pakistan,Malaysia,Indonesia etc
Middle East
Saudi,Dubai,Qatar,Oman,etc
Please lets work together on this lets atleast start from USA first going forward we can touch base with other NRB’s in different country and Zone.
Any taker here? any one think that it might work?
any one want to help? any one listening?
Please Please come forward and lets connect,inspire and implement good thigs for Bangladesh. It’s our country we have our rights to say about what we want.
I won’t say that NRB’s should talk because they are the second largest contributor to the federal economy of Bangladesh after exports earning I would urge for god sake just as a Bangladeshi lets raise our voice no matter you send a dime to Bangladesh or not, no matter if you have a college degree or not? no matter if you are BNP or AWL, no matter if you are skill worker or non-skill worker,no matter if you are in a white collar job or blue collar job, no matter you drive a lexus or you drive a taxi,
no matter you are rich or poor.
Lets all stand for one Bangladesh better Bangladesh affluent and prosperous Bangladesh forget about Hasina or Kahledah or Ershad or BChodhowry or Nizami or Oli Ahmed we don’t need none of them to re-build our dream land which is hurt badly for last 36 years of nepotism,corruption,pludering of public wealth and almost making the country towards a failed state.
Come join hands together we are enough here with 149 million people to make the country a better place for you and for me and for our entire human race of Bangladesh and for its new upcoming generation.
Thanks
Kawser Jamal
505 Nan circle
Little rock,Ar 72211
tel: 501-255-2814
email: Kawserjamal@yahoo.com
http://www.changeBangladesh.com
January 22nd, 2007 at 11:35 am
Dear Mr Jamil I am agreed with you. I always believe we should play the roll as NRI community. India has a very good NRI pressure group and have lots of contribution in sectors.
I am ready to support you. Take initiative. I am from Singapore and In Telecoms sector. and
Singapore is one of the biggest hub in the world. If you feel we are ready to support your effort. Thanks
January 23rd, 2007 at 6:01 am
how politicised is the NRI group in the US and UK?
how far away from real peoples aspirations are they? who are they accountable to? who do they claim to represent? what ideologies do they carry? does anyone REALLY beleive them?
January 23rd, 2007 at 6:20 am
Fareed Zakaria on the worldwide retreat of democracy. He makes some interesting points about the failure of democracy to deliver the goods.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16723221/site/newsweek/
January 23rd, 2007 at 12:31 pm
see I feel NRI is making a big Contribution to their economy.and They have influence over their govt.
January 23rd, 2007 at 3:52 pm
An expanded version of this entry came out in Daily Star yesterday.
You can read the full pieace here
http://www.thedailystar.net/2007/01/21/d701211501115.htm
January 23rd, 2007 at 3:52 pm
Mr Tanoy,
I agree with you on both posting.
Can you send an email at kawserjamal@yahoo.com.
We would get something started I hate rheotoric love action.
thanks
Kawser
http://www.changeBangladesh.com
February 19th, 2007 at 9:16 am
The caretaker/interim government should include all criminals since 1971 in their RED LIST. That should also include the war-criminals of 1971 who had the audacity to become ministers in Khaleda’s criminal-infested cabinet.
This is a golden opportunity for Fakruddin’s army backed government to take into custody killer Motior Rahman Nizami and his close allies who had done everything possible to bludgeon Bangladesh’s Independence in 1971. The collaborators and criminals of 1971 are worse than corrupt politicians, bureaucrats and businessmen.
They should face trials for the genocide of 1971 and the Jamaat-e-Islami party should be banned from national politics for their war crimes in 1971.
Nizami and his Islamic fascist-fundamentalist party should be should also be charged for the rampant corruption and abuse of power during the 2001-2006 Jamaat-e-Islami-BNP rule. Motior Rahman Nizami must be held accountable for his indulgence and active role in the shameless corrupt form of governance during which he presided first as the agriculture minister and then the industries ministry (two of the most powerful ministries) in Bangladesh’s most corruption ridden balck era.
I urge the caretaker/interim government to immediately arrest the Islamic fascist fundamentalist Jamaat-e-Islami crooks who have been enjoying a free ride under the new regime. The world is cautiously observing the developments in Bangladesh.
Jamaat should not think that they have evaded the eyes of the global police after having fooled brainless Khaleda and her blockhead corrupt son Tarek!
March 18th, 2007 at 2:50 am
The caretaker government is doing a marvellous job. Khaleda-Nizami gang of looters have plundered the country and they must be prosecuted.Bangladesh must rid itself of corrupt politicians, bureaucrats, local govt reps, doctors, engineers, clerks and peons.
Corrupt elements must be dealt with sternly and firmly. The Bangla Tigers in the Carribeans have shown the world by beating India that we too can rule the world!!