Sun 7 Aug 2005
I have been back from Bangladesh for almost three weeks now. Busy summer so far - had to pay the price for being away for four weeks! Lot’s of progress in Bangladesh on different fronts. But lot more in the category of tasks that are begging to get done! Here’s yet another thought:
How many of us in the US buy gifts for our American friends? Birthdays, anniversaries, weddings, baby showers, graduation gifts … the list goes on and on! With three young children I find myself (or my wife) buying gifts for numerous occasions. I would estimate that counting Christmas gifts for teachers and like, we probably approach (or easily exceed) $1,000 per year in casual gifts to non-family members. Most of the gifts are for ‘Americans’ (meaning not recent immigrants). Often, I have thought that it would be nice if there was a source or supply of elegant, handmade Bangladeshi products that could be given as gifts to these Americans. Has anyone else had the same thought?
Imagine a virtual boutique where there are a limited number of items - let’s just say about 100 - categorized for the major gift giving occasions and by range of prices. Wouldn’t it be nice to be able to give an item from this ‘catalog’ to a 12 year old girl, say, a hand made Bengali doll; or for an older friend - how about a hand made sari? Along with the gift, there would abe a description of the origin and who made it and who got paid a ‘fair wage’ for making it. And a small portion of the purchase price could go towards a general charitable fund. I bet if there was such a source, dedicated and service friendly, I would myself buy $500 of products every year! Multiply that by the hundreds of thousands of Bangalis around the country and you can have a very significant business!
But the beauty of the enterprise wouldn’t just be the business itself. It would the vastly greater benefit of spreading positive information about Bangladesh as well as making people feel good about the process. Think of the nice handmade wooden model boats that are so ubiquitous in Dhaka. They would look beautiful in any American home! And for retail prices (in Dhaka) of around $2-3, you can give one to each and every one of your friends. It can be a signature gift that that they are unlikely to find or receive anywhere else! And the small gift card could have a web link to the virtual store in addition to information about its origin. Do you get the idea? At the higher end of the range are the beautifully embroidered products ranging from Panjabis and table mats to elaborate tapestries. I have half a dozen hanging in my house and they are always a source of conversation. And think of the women who worked hard for months to produce them! And how about a nice packet of raw tea from Sylhet? Complete with a strainer and an instruction booklet on how to make authentic Bengali ‘Chai’ (hint: add alot of cream and sugar and throw in a stick of cinnamon or a cardamom if desired). For under $10 it can make a fabulous gift for any adult who is not averse to caffeine.
[Add a little history (that I learnt on my recent trip): The tea leaves are picked primarily by Santal or other indigenous women who get paid Tk 28 for a full day's work. That is, if they pick their daily minimum of 22Kg of leaves. Some work faster and make a bit (but not much) more. It takes about 5 Kg of raw leaves to produce 1 Kg of raw tea. While the price of raw tea in Chittagong ranges from $1-$2 per Kg, by the time it is repackaged, the price has gone up 5-10x! For the typical store buyer who pays $10+ per pound less than one cent of every dollar goes to pay the person who picked the tea leaves - working all day on slippery slopes, in the sun and in the rain (hence the big hats) and often with a child on her back. Perhaps our gift packs could state that an additional __ cents are contributed to a Santal welfare fund for every package purchased?]
I even have a title for the campaign: “BuyDeshi for BiDeshis” (that’s bee-deshis, not bye-deshis!)
So who do we have among our readers who finds this interesting? Is it interesting enough for you to try and do something about it? Could you design a virtual store? For starters, you could just intermediate stuff that already exists in stores in Dhaka. Advertising could be viral as well as word of mouth. Or you could start with some ‘fair trade’ tea. After all, at least one great nation got its start with fair trade in tea! And yes, if you think you have what it takes to get this going, I will be happy to talk to you about start-up costs … !
Muhit
PS: I note that my suggestion about a Deshi affinity card kind of fizzed out! No matter! We are still a small community and we do not have the breadth of experience within ourselves to do many things. But we Do Have Some Expertise! And it would be nice if we can direct some of it towards our own community.
August 8th, 2005 at 3:33 am
Hello Mr.Muhit,
it sounds good, still if you do not make any profit, in the end of the day you can not provide any support for them for whom it is all about. So, take it as a business and think from a view point of entrepreneur, just donate the profit
For starter all you need is,
1. website (www.oscommerce.com CMS for virtual store, open source costs $0.00 US
2. Credit card merchant account (we can start with 2checkout.com cheap as $49.00 US + keeping paypal as an option would be great)
3. Affiliate program for WOM
In the motion period you can ship from Dhaka with EMS/FedEx and once it starts to grow we can make your garage a store room :p
Okay then, what will be the name of it?
August 8th, 2005 at 7:20 am
Well, I was hoping that someone already involved in a similar business would consider taking this on as an adjunct! Take for instance, BanglaBazaar.com (they appear to be based in Jackson Heights, NY) for whom it would be little incremental effort and possibly, a source for profits as well. The catch here is that the ‘incremental’ brand would be owned by Drishtipat or some related charitable entity (the name could be Drishtipat’s Fair Price Store).
Dristipat can take a quick survey amongst its members to gauge initial interest and pick a ‘top ten’ list of gift items. If a core group of members agree in principle (no firm commitment) to support the concept as they feel appropriate (and are able), then we can go ahead and ’subcontract’ or license the concept to an existing online provider such as BanglaBazaar. The advantage there is that the infrastructure would not need to be created.
Alternatively, as you mentioned, we could
consider doing it ourselves … would involve a lot more time and effort … the trade off is we’ll have total control. In my efforts in Bangladesh, I have had the most success when I retained full control and am doing everything myself. The more control I have given up, the less ‘on-track’ the programs seem to be! But the catch is, thee is only so much that one can do by one’s own self! In order to accomplish more, we have to learn to leverage our time and resources. Although it might be slower and less efficient, ultimately, in order to have the broadest reach, I/we have to work with others and lever off their expertise/access.
Like before, I am looking (hoping) for the person who has the ability and the desire to take a project like this on! My best contribution is the area of my expertise - which is finance. So, anyone for Drishtipat’s Fair Price Store?
Muhit
ps. Visit the Hunger Site for ideas (www.hungersite.com). My 14 year old son is so impressed with The Hunger Site that he plans to donate $500 (that he has earned himself) to its cause. Perhaps we could be equally inspiring!
August 9th, 2005 at 4:17 am
Muhit bhai,
This is a good idea. My initial reaction is, is there any thing like this already? Then I remember my friend from New York already started this a few years back with reasonable success. I did a story on her a few years back for a bangla paper (don’t have that file anymore). Relevent information: http://bicn.com/ezine/features/other/onenest.htm
But I remember she complained about the quality and finishing of Bangladeshi products compared to that of India or even places in Africa. Having a solid presence in Bangladesh with quality control would be the key issue.
I am more and more focusing myself on these kinds of enterprenerual ideas with a common social good. On a different thread, am quite excited to see Iqbal Qadir’s recent project on power generation. You can read about it more in the bbc article posted on our forum of changemakers.
August 9th, 2005 at 5:19 am
My thoughts:
1. It’s about time we start promoting Bangladeshi products in this kind of ways. So it is an excellent idea put forward by Muhit vai.
2. I believe initialy business should not mix charity, and when we try to do so, at the end of the day, nothing is really accomplished.
I would favor a real business venture out of it. That will creat jobs in BD etc.
3. I believe those internet based traders could take the lead. There are so many of them now. But they are not manufacturers, they simply are online vendors.
4. Small cottage scale industry may not succeed in this new risky, unfamiliar territory.
Big manufacturing house with clout, like BRAC-Aarong, could be the best possible solution. If they open an online store for Aarong, they can initially ship from Dhaka, then from any USA or Europe based warehouse.
If BRAC is not willing to do that, any small computer/internet vendor be the online sales agent for Aarong and start doing that.
5. The problem is that, a lot of young enterprneurs are out there but blog is the last resource they will search for good ideas.
August 10th, 2005 at 10:18 pm
All important considerations and good thoughts. I had met with one Deputy Executive Director of BRAC about getting Aarong on the web. While they thought it was an interesting idea, it did not spur them on to action - even after I offered to pay for the cost of designing and setting up a web effort!
So! It will have to be entrepreneurial. Does anyone know the folks at BanglaBazaar? They seem to be based in Dhaka (although I am not certain). They have a fairly functional website and this could be a natural adjunct.
Anyone else want to take this on?
August 11th, 2005 at 3:33 am
Imtiaz, do you want to take this on? We will help on the side.
August 11th, 2005 at 6:47 pm
Certainly I’d love to but it has to be non-profit and it should be under the banner of Drishtipat. If you guys are serious about taking this out of the blogging then we better start talking in privacy.
I donn’t need any profit. Once it actually going to make enough gross the operating people (staffs and executives) can start taking salary and donate the net to the cause.
Ok here is a startup plan.
Drishtipat will own the venture and will maintain it with a seperate board of five to seven members.And their decisions will be regarded as the final. This board will provide the investor and the entrepreneur a lifetime membership where the decisions will be taken in means of marjority.
The investor will provide finance to Drishtipat on the base that the amount of net profit this venture will make, that will be donated towards public service and non-profit other ventures only.
The total capital will be paid back to the investor within 18 months (or any term that is) of going into operation from the starting day without any interest or share from the profit.
With a formal agreement on something like this we can start working from next week if we want! Once the product line is made final and logistics are available and ofcoursea with a reputable brand of you guys I see a good opportunity is opening up to help these people without spending from our own pocket.
Can we use store.drishtipat.org? or you guys prefer a seperate domain? Lets do it.
August 11th, 2005 at 10:10 pm
Imtiaz:
I am very impressed by your initiative. Could you tell me a little more about yourself? (Like who are you, where do you live, etc.!) I do not want a lot of people to spin their wheels - but if we can get together and develop a skeletal ‘business plan’ I can estimate the working capital needs and figure out how to get/provide the funds.
We will need to negotiate a ‘governance’ arrangement. Hopefully one that survives individual participation. I prefer small boards - we can have a larger ‘advisory board’ if we ever need one for appearances.
One last thing, Drishtipat, I am sure, is a non-profit organization (probably an IRC 501(c)(3) corp) and as such, subject certain limitations with respect to activities that could be construed to be ‘for profit’. Do we have a CPA amongst us (or a tax attorney) who can keep us all on the right side of the law?
As for taking the discussion off the blog, my suggestion is to start direct off-blog discussions but continue posting on this thread for general information. By keeping the larger community apprised, we could potentially benefit from additional expertise (we can politely decline inappropriate suggestions) and resources, but more importantly, keep the community apprised of our progress as well as develop the viral marketing that we need in order to succeed.
Lets GO!
August 12th, 2005 at 9:33 pm
It will not sound as impressive as the proposal if I tell you about myself
I’ll mail you in details but before that we should have a response from Drishtipat authority on it.
August 13th, 2005 at 12:51 am
This all sounds encouraging. Just so that we follow proper chain of commands and in the risk of sounding beurocratic, can you please submit the project proposal through the project page? Feel free to use the quick idea page at http://drishtipat.org/modules.php?name=projects
and I will raise it to our core board. Also we need to pass it through our compliance person to see how it fits with the IRS guidelines after that.
August 13th, 2005 at 8:51 pm
Okay, before submitting it to the bureocratic process let us finalize the website and product catagories.
We are going to develop it with OSS/GNU softwares/scripts for now I’m using a subdomain on my personal site. You can check the beta at http://dpstore.imtiaz.info (once finished and the project is approved we will buy a seperate domain for it)
For now I need help and that means a loads of help.
I’ll ask everyone of my friends and relatives living abroad regarding what gift items they usually buy and if they would like to buy it to provide support for the actual producers even for a bit higher price. Please ask the same to your circle and ask them to ask their circles as well to let you know. And once you get a clear picture please post here. It will help us to finalize the product catagories later.
We are not only going to sell but let you “earn for helping us to help”. We will have an affiliate program where for referring new orders you can earn a small like 5-7% (not final yet) of the total order. Its mostly like Amazon Associate program which many of you are very familiar with.
So everything looks good so far. All right then give me 2/3 weeks for the mock-up site.
August 16th, 2005 at 3:45 am
Any update? Or are we expecting things to be made-to-be-readymade? O I C
August 16th, 2005 at 6:54 am
Imtiaz,
Didn’t reaise that you were looking for updates as you mentioned in your last entry you were take some initiatives which will take 2/3 weeks.
A. before moving on with this project from the dp angle, I need to present it to our board and that will require filling out the formal proposal form I mentioned.
B. Once that is done and if there is no objection from the board, I will raise it to see if there is a compliance issue.
C. If not, then we will need a business plan. We will all need to work together on this.
D. Once we have a solid business plan, we need to work out an administrative and governance plan. Who maintains the fund, who audits it, where does the money go, who decides about it etc.
E. After all that is worked out, we can look for funding or we can start the actual work on implementation.
Agree, disagree? Approaching it this way may seem slow but it will save us a lot of headache in the long term.
August 16th, 2005 at 8:17 am
Asif
We should make sure that things are OK with the general spirit of DP but other than that, the surest way to stifle enterprise is to burden it with too many rules. This is a new enough venture that it will have to act on the fly and morph and adapt continuously. Best let it run free for a while!
Having said that, I recommend setting up a 3-5 person board that provides oversight and a three person operating committee. The latter could be myself, and the two of you (Asif and Imtiaz). The goal is simple enough - popularize Bangladeshi products (limited to small ticket, incidental gifts) for foreign markets with profits earmarked for charitable purposes.
All the other rules will need to evolve with time. Don’t get bogged down in the weeds or it will never get going. Rules never protect you - people do (or don’t!). Delegate the authority/responsibility and seek, perhaps, a periodic report. And act based on its content or lack thereof!
Muhit
August 16th, 2005 at 9:38 am
Fair enough….Imtiaz, you don’t have to worry about A, B, C, D mentioned above.
For the time being, focus on implementing it and I’ll take care of the rest.
I am fine with the operating board. Though would like to recommend one more person in here because I am often stretched on multiple things. I’ll see who’s available.
Also, Imtiaz, your effort is much appreciated. Please do let us know what other help you need. The current dp volunteer base is small and will be able to help on adhoc basis. Since, you will be the running the implementation of it, you will need to manage that process as well.
Don’t feel left out if you don’t get active response all the time. If that’s the case, then it was due to time pressure. Our activities till December had already been prioritised which includes getting an internship running for next summer. So a lot of people will focus on getting that finalised, getting funding for it and finding partners.
August 16th, 2005 at 12:26 pm
Oh, and Durreen Shahnaz, formerly of onenest.com, had this to say about Aarong: “i would not go near Aarong because they made me loose thousands of dollars. they do not know how to respect delivery time or quality.”
August 17th, 2005 at 1:03 am
I was more like asking “friends and relatives living abroad regarding what gift items they usually buy and if they would like to buy it to provide support for the actual producers even for a bit higher price”
Its a very low level survey thing. After reading about the time, I’m more like, “will submit proposal this week then build the site later!”
Otherwise if any case it is rejected the whole time will be wasted building it.
Thanks in advance for the inputs.
August 17th, 2005 at 7:26 am
I think Dureen was ahead of her times! But she was right about the pitfalls of depending on others. Our selections will have to be far more limited and it is not as much commercial success that we are seeking as slow, measured growth of charitable consciousness tinged with pride!
Some random items that have been suggested so far: Mehndi; Amsotto (Pran sells one that my kids absolutely love); table cloths and mats; napkin sets/holders, jewelery (bangles); leather products (belts/wallets) and those small jewelery boxes, etc.
Can we add to the initial list, please?
August 17th, 2005 at 10:26 pm
Muhit bhai,
thanks a lot, I’m writing the project proposal now. I’ll forward it to you and Mr.Salhel for review before submitting it officially. I’m getting a loads of input from private circle on the product line too. I agree we donn’t need to think about making it a profit making machine, just a good return to contribute will be more than enough however there is no place to take it as a hobby venture. If we are doing it then we have to do with with full efforts.
Please keep on posting new items that you suggest (to the readers)
Thanks.
August 18th, 2005 at 7:30 am
One of the items I would like to offer is wristbands. Do you know if we have a manufacturer in Bangladesh who can produce them? I am thinking a bold green (or red)wristband with red (or green) lettering saying DRISHTIPAT or Support Bangladesh or something like that. The US manufacturers are way too expensive–almost $1.50 each for small quantities. It shouldn’t cost more than 10 cents each in Bangladesh for quantities in the +500 range. We should offer them for $1 each - much like Lance Armstrong!
August 18th, 2005 at 4:59 pm
Wrist band issue was discussed in Drishtipat core several weeks ago. http://www.project-bangladesh.com is selling a ‘Amra Bangladesh ‘inscribed wristband and using the money for some universally acceptable charity. we always can start selling their band, later go on to produce ours. I bet,even in USA, this won’t cost a dime.
August 18th, 2005 at 5:34 pm
Rumi: Selling an existing wristband is an excellent idea (lowers the overhead from the cost of tooling). But I did a quick Google on Wristbands and was shocked at the prices. Perhaps you have a better source?
August 21st, 2005 at 3:17 pm
Pls check out this site, its a real rage in dhaka, and they are dontating to several charities. Check out their site, http://www.project-bangladesh.com. I see they have already donated 1 lac taka, and the cricketers and musicians are wearing the bands!
August 21st, 2005 at 3:27 pm
Hi!
I am one of the members of Project Bangladesh and I came by your site. Please visit our website at http://www.project-bangladesh.com and please do not hestitate to contact us if you have any questions or comments at info@project-bangladesh.com. We look forward to hearing from you!
Thanks so much
August 21st, 2005 at 9:04 pm
I think Amra Bangladesh is an excellent idea and we should consider offering the same item. No need to duplicate effort and overhead. We can certainly come to some understanding with project-bangladesh. By the way, how much do they sell the wristbands for singly or in 10-packs?
August 22nd, 2005 at 3:10 pm
I second that.
August 23rd, 2005 at 5:31 pm
Imtiaz,
Do send me the questions so that I can set up the online questionaire?
Thanks,
Asif